Vick = Selfish (1 Viewer)

[jurb26]

When a defense plays Vick, the focus soley falls on him and by doing that the other Falcons players are better for it.  The Falcons were a great rushing team this year because teams had to focus on Vick and the Falcons used Vick as a decoy in causes to open holes for the run. 

I'm sure you realize this, but the Falcons were a great rushing team because Vick's a great runner. The Falcons weren't a great rushing team because other teams focused on Vick while Duckett/Dunn ran the ball. After week fifteen last year (which is the last week the Falcons really cared about playing) Doug Drinen sent me over some information. Basically, if you look at just the rushing yards put up by RBs, the Falcons ranked 18th in the league. The Jets, Chiefs, Steelers, Pats, Seahawks were 1-2-3-4-5, but the Falcons were clearly medicore at running the ball. They ended the year ranked first because they had 978 rushing yards from non-RBs.

Good point. I don't see how M.Vick made Dunn/Duckett that much better if at all. I mean the significance would be small I assume. The reason Atls running game was ranked so high was because of Vicks ability to run with the ball and get yards. In fact Vicks ability to run with the ball makes defenses focus on the run more. I could see how screens and other dumps off to the running backs may make Dunn/Duckett better but defenses play the run first with Atl all the time because of Vicks inability to be known as a great passer. And many of the yards Vick runs for are on roll out or scrambles where he just tucks the ball and runs. People are acting like Dunn has never had a 1000 yd season before.

OK, now we are just getting silly. Vick has a DIRECT impact on the entire Atl runing game. A QB suck as Vick forces LB or S spies who can be taken out of the play with misdirection. He forces DEs and LBs to use contain and outside tech rather than read and react. Vick makes the Atl running game better and all the RBs see some of these benifits. I don't even like Vick, but even I can see this. The bottom line is that Vick unlike most QBs in the NFL NEEDS TO BE ACCOUNTED FOR AS A POSSIBLE 3rd RB!!! This effects schemes on both O and D. Period, the end. This aspect of his game however does not make him a great or even good QB.

 

[Chase Stuart]

When a defense plays Vick, the focus soley falls on him and by doing that the other Falcons players are better for it.  The Falcons were a great rushing team this year because teams had to focus on Vick and the Falcons used Vick as a decoy in causes to open holes for the run. 

I'm sure you realize this, but the Falcons were a great rushing team because Vick's a great runner. The Falcons weren't a great rushing team because other teams focused on Vick while Duckett/Dunn ran the ball. After week fifteen last year (which is the last week the Falcons really cared about playing) Doug Drinen sent me over some information. Basically, if you look at just the rushing yards put up by RBs, the Falcons ranked 18th in the league. The Jets, Chiefs, Steelers, Pats, Seahawks were 1-2-3-4-5, but the Falcons were clearly medicore at running the ball. They ended the year ranked first because they had 978 rushing yards from non-RBs.

Of course it's because of Vick and not the Coaching staff or the good play of the o-line. The o-line is won of the top 10 if not top 5 in the league. Vick added to the running game what other QB's would add to the passing game plus some and variety in play calling for the Falcons.

I'm not sure exactly which side of the fence you're on, but the Falcons RBs as a group ranked 18th relative to all other RBs as a group in the NFL.

 

[rhawkins68]

In fact Vicks ability to run with the ball makes defenses focus on the run more. I could see how screens and other dumps off to the running backs may make Dunn/Duckett better but defenses play the run first with Atl all the time because of Vicks inability to be known as a great passer. And many of the yards Vick runs for are on roll out or scrambles where he just tucks the ball and runs. People are acting like Dunn has never had a 1000 yd season before.

How so? Vick's yards on the ground are gained off of dropbacks, even it is a designed play for the most part.Sometimes it's a designed roll-out, but here's where the Vick detractors miss the boat. The Falcons running attack is as good as it is because they can gain yards on the ground and still not have the defense fully commit to stopping the run because no matter what you think about Vick, he still has the ability to get the ball to his WR's & TE. Now, is that the strength of his game, no. But by no means is he inadequate at it. He's simply not prolific at it...

Which explains why the falcons are medicore if not below average offense. Yds per drive 27.84 (18th) Pts per drive 1.66 (19th) TD per drive 0.194 (16th)

Buffalo Yds per drive 24.58 (25) Pts per drive 1.75 (14) TD per drive 0.195 (15)

 

[rhawkins68]

When a defense plays Vick, the focus soley falls on him and by doing that the other Falcons players are better for it. The Falcons were a great rushing team this year because teams had to focus on Vick and the Falcons used Vick as a decoy in causes to open holes for the run.

I'm sure you realize this, but the Falcons were a great rushing team because Vick's a great runner. The Falcons weren't a great rushing team because other teams focused on Vick while Duckett/Dunn ran the ball. After week fifteen last year (which is the last week the Falcons really cared about playing) Doug Drinen sent me over some information. Basically, if you look at just the rushing yards put up by RBs, the Falcons ranked 18th in the league. The Jets, Chiefs, Steelers, Pats, Seahawks were 1-2-3-4-5, but the Falcons were clearly medicore at running the ball. They ended the year ranked first because they had 978 rushing yards from non-RBs.

Of course it's because of Vick and not the Coaching staff or the good play of the o-line. The o-line is won of the top 10 if not top 5 in the league. Vick added to the running game what other QB's would add to the passing game plus some and variety in play calling for the Falcons.

I'm not sure exactly which side of the fence you're on, but the Falcons RBs as a group ranked 18th relative to all other RBs as a group in the NFL.

EDIT: They were stuffed for 0 gain less than any team in the league. They can block they are good. I believe there 18th because of the lack of play-calling options. I am on the Vick has potential but is not the team or as big a part of the team as most make him out to be. He is an average to below average QB that has potential down the line if he stays healthy and improves footwork and reads.

 

[lipster26]

Vick's career yards per pass attempt: 6.93

Vick's career yards per rush attempt: 7.40

Vick's post-season yards per pass attempt: 5.91

Vick's post-season yards per rush attempt: 8.36

Donovan McNabb's numbers are Career yards/pass attempt: 6.5

Rush yards/attempt: 6.3

Post Season yds/passattempt: 6.3

Post Season rush yds/attempt: 5.7

His passing yards dramatically increased last year to 8.7 avg/pass and much of that could be attributed to Terrell Owens. In conclusion I don't think these numbers really mean anything.

 

[Shlon]

People were saying the very same things about Mcnabb until this past year, Vick needs to improve yes but no need to make false assumptions about Vick (that he's selfish). He's a humble & down-to-earth guy. Carolina & New Orleans never beat Vick but Tampa Bay is 2-3 (0-2 in 2002 though Vick only played a quarter in first game, 1-0 in 2003, 1-1 in 2004) against Vick. Not too bad against division foes.

 

[cstu]

I think all this "Vick = Selfish" talk should be put to rest, since Ron Mexico has shown that he in fact does like to "share".

 

[redman]

How many "friends down south" comments can we work into one thread. BTW, the chick caught herpes from him on one hop.

 

[lod01]

Vick is smart when it comes to his own talent. He realizes that he totally sucks as a passer. If he were to restructure to sign bigtime receivers, then he would be totally exposed as a hack QB. With zeros like Price, Finneran and co. he can continue his suckiness and the media will blame it on lack of quality receivers.