victor cruz? (1 Viewer)

[cvnpoka]

[*]I'm not starting Cruz every week as I think his snap%, targets and production/snap or /target will trend back downward

[*]The Ballard discussion has nothing to do with a fantasy comparison with Cruz, it had to do with the relative value of the news coming out of the Giants game;

Make a prediction.. All I read is wish wash.... Backed up with nothing...Cruz' targets will trend downward? From 11? LOL, is that such an incite-full prediction? Guess what, Cruz was able to produce over 100 yards and 2 TD's with only 5 targets week 3..

So, with only 5 targets Cruz is capable of producing 110 and 2 TD's.. Right? And in 5 games, he has 29 targets, equaling 5.8 targets per game. This includes 2 games at the start of the season, before his breakout, where he only received 2 targets in each game (game1 and game2)..

I think it's reasonable to assume his average will be around 5 targets a week based on the above, and I think it's reasonable to project an average of 5tgt 4rec 65yrd .5td

64rec on 80tgt for 1040yrd and 8TDs (numbers good enough to land him the WR18 spot in PPR leagues both in 2010, and 2009)

He's averaged 5.8 targets so far, you say he'll trend down, I'm taking that as you predicting Cruz will average less than 5.8 by the end of the season.. You predicting an injury? Trend down to what? 5? Are you really basing your argument on what could land Cruz the WR18 spot this season rather than WR10?

Your argument so far has produced nothing useful.. On top of lacking merit..

Edit to add:

If Ballard wasn't brought into the subject to debate Cruz' #'s, then maybe that's a subject for a different thread (a Ballard thread? NY Giants thread?, a TE thread?). You do see how someone might open a Cruz thread looking for info relating to Cruz', his stats, and his projected future starts right? So when you introduce Ballard to the Cruz thread, it's implied that you are in some way making a point on how it relates to or effects Cruz..

you project him to have an 80% catch rate?

 

[Das Boot]

Anyone blaming that INT on Cruz is simply wrong IMO. Other than blaming him for slipping, he did nothing wrong.

Cruz is one of those guys you can spend a few weeks waiting to see if he's going to pan out or not, but by then he's long gone if he was on your WW by someone else who took notice of an early trend and took a shot.

 

[wiscstlatlmia]

Well folks he made the roster ...Where do you guys think he stands on the depth chart? I am thinking hes pushing manningham for the 3rd spot right now.

You don't see wrong predictions get bumped very often around here. Cruz didn't push Manningham at any point last year.

Right, but if you look back nobody even thought he was close to as talented as Manningham at the time...nor would he ever be competing with him for targets. I honestly believe the injury was the only thing holding him back last year from that #3 spot. Now, I dont see anything holding him back from the #2.

 

[netnalp]

Anyone blaming that INT on Cruz is simply wrong IMO. Other than blaming him for slipping, he did nothing wrong.Cruz is one of those guys you can spend a few weeks waiting to see if he's going to pan out or not, but by then he's long gone if he was on your WW by someone else who took notice of an early trend and took a shot.

I agree. Can't blame him for slipping, it happens. Now the fumble he had, that's on him.

 

[Tango]

[*]I'm not starting Cruz every week as I think his snap%, targets and production/snap or /target will trend back downward

[*]The Ballard discussion has nothing to do with a fantasy comparison with Cruz, it had to do with the relative value of the news coming out of the Giants game;

Make a prediction.. All I read is wish wash.... Backed up with nothing...Cruz' targets will trend downward? From 11? LOL, is that such an incite-full prediction? Guess what, Cruz was able to produce over 100 yards and 2 TD's with only 5 targets week 3..

So, with only 5 targets Cruz is capable of producing 110 and 2 TD's.. Right? And in 5 games, he has 29 targets, equaling 5.8 targets per game. This includes 2 games at the start of the season, before his breakout, where he only received 2 targets in each game (game1 and game2)..

I think it's reasonable to assume his average will be around 5 targets a week based on the above, and I think it's reasonable to project an average of 5tgt 4rec 65yrd .5td

64rec on 80tgt for 1040yrd and 8TDs (numbers good enough to land him the WR18 spot in PPR leagues both in 2010, and 2009)

He's averaged 5.8 targets so far, you say he'll trend down, I'm taking that as you predicting Cruz will average less than 5.8 by the end of the season.. You predicting an injury? Trend down to what? 5? Are you really basing your argument on what could land Cruz the WR18 spot this season rather than WR10?

Your argument so far has produced nothing useful.. On top of lacking merit..

Edit to add:

If Ballard wasn't brought into the subject to debate Cruz' #'s, then maybe that's a subject for a different thread (a Ballard thread? NY Giants thread?, a TE thread?). You do see how someone might open a Cruz thread looking for info relating to Cruz', his stats, and his projected future starts right? So when you introduce Ballard to the Cruz thread, it's implied that you are in some way making a point on how it relates to or effects Cruz..

I highly doubt you'll get him to make a concrete prediction. Tango seems like he may be Manningham's lover and is bitter that Cruz is obvioulsly outplaying him.To suggest Cruz was the goat Sunday is ridiculous. Did he notice the guy's stats? And on the interception, Cruz slipped coming out of his break which caused Manning's pass to be too far in front of him. Cruz made a great effort to get a hand on it. Things happen. Nobody's fault.

Wow, you're completion percentage is awfully high for someone that tries to take pot shot after pot shot (TD% too).anyway...let's break this down vs Garcon-just for the heck of it:

Cruz:

Team attempts per game: 33.5

Games remain: 11

Cruz target %: 17.8 (high IMHO)

Cruz targets p/g: 6

completion %: 60

receptions: 39

yds/recept: 15

yds: 594

TD rate: 10%

TDs: 4

Cruz stat line: rec 39, yds/game 54, 4TDs. (edited to add: this is the summary result of the fcst)

Garcon:

Team attempts per game: 33

Games remain: 11

Garcon target %: 24.2

Garcon targets p/g: 8

completion %: 55

receptions: 48

yds/recep: 16

yds: 774

TD rate: 10%

TDs: 5

Garcon stat line: rec 48, yds/game 70, 5TDs (edited to add: this is the summary result of the fcst)

I think the Cruz assumptions are a bit aggressive; most notable the 17.8% target percentage. That translates into a probably unrealistic target % when he is actually on the field (since he is only on in 3-wide sets). So I guess you can say this factors in the chance that they stay with the 3-wide more due to their sked or if he beats out Manningham (incidentally, pls see above post that talks about the fact that I have never and likely will never own Manningham). The variance around each of the assumptions is critical of course and where fantasy titles are usually won; but we'll stop at these point-estimates of the assumptions as there as it is plenty to digest.

and there's plenty to critique here of course; I wonder if we cant critique without personal comments. Hope so.

 

[identikit]

FWIW, Dodds has Cruz as WR12 (vs Mario's WR29) in this weeks PPR projections.

He's ahead of Miles Austin, Santana, Wayne and tied with M Wallace, AJ.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Cruz stat line: rec 39, yds/game 54, 4TDs. Marginal starter, probably on the outside looking in.

Hilarious!This is the top 15 WR's in weeks 1-5 per PPR scoring:

1. Welker, Wes NEP WR 150.90

2. Johnson, Calvin DET WR 128.10

3. Smith, Steve CAR WR 104.90

4. Wallace, Mike PIT WR 103.40

5. Jennings, Greg GBP WR 97.80

6. Bowe, Dwayne KCC WR 90.20

7. Maclin, Jeremy PHI WR 87.90

8. Garcon, Pierre IND WR 85.00

9. Nicks, Hakeem NYG WR 83.90

10. Green, A.J. CIN WR ® 82.80

11. Jackson, Vincent SDC WR 81.90

12. Fitzgerald, Larry ARI WR 81.70

13. Johnson, Steve BUF WR 80.30

14. White, Roddy ATL WR 79.20

15. Cruz, Victor NYG WR 74.90

Cruz fell safely inside WR2 range if you include weeks 1-2 (before the breakout)

If we only count weeks 3-5 (after the break out):

1. Welker, Wes NEP WR 99.80

2. Johnson, Calvin DET WR 83.40

3. Garcon, Pierre IND WR 72.30

4. Cruz, Victor NYG WR 71.20

5. Bowe, Dwayne KCC WR 70.20

6. Jennings, Greg GBP WR 62.40

7. Wallace, Mike PIT WR 58.10

8. Nicks, Hakeem NYG WR 54.20

9. White, Roddy ATL WR 53.80

10. Jackson, DeSean PHI WR 47.60

11. Smith, Steve CAR WR 46.50

12. Fitzgerald, Larry ARI WR 46.20

13. Jones, James GBP WR 45.20

14. Baldwin, Doug SEA WR ® 45.10

15. Jones, Julio ATL WR ® 44.60

Cruz put up WR1 #'s in weeks 3-5 (after the breakout)

I really don't see what the heck you're basing your argument on...

 

[Tango]

Cruz stat line: rec 39, yds/game 54, 4TDs. Marginal starter, probably on the outside looking in.

Hilarious!This is the top 15 WR's in weeks 1-5 per PPR scoring:

1. Welker, Wes NEP WR 150.90

2. Johnson, Calvin DET WR 128.10

3. Smith, Steve CAR WR 104.90

4. Wallace, Mike PIT WR 103.40

5. Jennings, Greg GBP WR 97.80

6. Bowe, Dwayne KCC WR 90.20

7. Maclin, Jeremy PHI WR 87.90

8. Garcon, Pierre IND WR 85.00

9. Nicks, Hakeem NYG WR 83.90

10. Green, A.J. CIN WR ® 82.80

11. Jackson, Vincent SDC WR 81.90

12. Fitzgerald, Larry ARI WR 81.70

13. Johnson, Steve BUF WR 80.30

14. White, Roddy ATL WR 79.20

15. Cruz, Victor NYG WR 74.90

Cruz fell safely inside WR2 range if you include weeks 1-2 (before the breakout)

If we only count weeks 3-5 (after the break out):

1. Welker, Wes NEP WR 99.80

2. Johnson, Calvin DET WR 83.40

3. Garcon, Pierre IND WR 72.30

4. Cruz, Victor NYG WR 71.20

5. Bowe, Dwayne KCC WR 70.20

6. Jennings, Greg GBP WR 62.40

7. Wallace, Mike PIT WR 58.10

8. Nicks, Hakeem NYG WR 54.20

9. White, Roddy ATL WR 53.80

10. Jackson, DeSean PHI WR 47.60

11. Smith, Steve CAR WR 46.50

12. Fitzgerald, Larry ARI WR 46.20

13. Jones, James GBP WR 45.20

14. Baldwin, Doug SEA WR ® 45.10

15. Jones, Julio ATL WR ® 44.60

Cruz put up WR1 #'s in weeks 3-5 (after the breakout)

I really don't see what the heck you're basing your argument on...

I must say, I disagree strongly with your past=future approach; but hey, you're entitled to any forecasting style you wish to employ.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Wow, you're completion percentage is awfully high for someone that tries to take pot shot after pot shot (TD% too).

Have no idea what the completion percentage has to do with the "pot shots" and/or what those pot shots might have been. Please explain how there is some correlation..BTW, I'll admit to the completion percentage being high, but the TD's are lower than what his 4 TD's in 5 games would project. You still can't argue with the stats.. He's a top 15 WR to this point. Your Garcon argument holds no water. Garcon is ranked #8.. Might as well compare him to any one of the top 10 wr's at that point.. Yes Garcon has done better. That doesn't mean Cruz is less of a starter. The fact that you choose the 8th ranked WR to compare him to, shows either you don't know what you're talking about, or you're trying to be deceptive..

 

[Carolina Hustler]

I must say, I disagree strongly with your past=future approach; but hey, you're entitled to any forecasting style you wish to employ.

You quoted his stats thus far and said he was a marginal starter. Based on the very stats you quoted, he's a high WR2... A marginal starter would usually be WR30 or later..Please explain..He's now ranked 15th, you made a jump to marginal starter.. You continually fail to back up your assertions with a cogent argument..

 

[Tango]

Wow, you're completion percentage is awfully high for someone that tries to take pot shot after pot shot (TD% too).

Have no idea what the completion percentage has to do with the "pot shots" and/or what those pot shots might have been. Please explain how there is some correlation..BTW, I'll admit to the completion percentage being high, but the TD's are lower than what his 4 TD's in 5 games would project. You still can't argue with the stats.. He's a top 15 WR to this point. Your Garcon argument holds no water. Garcon is ranked #8.. Might as well compare him to any one of the top 10 wr's at that point.. Yes Garcon has done better. That doesn't mean Cruz is less of a starter. The fact that you choose the 8th ranked WR to compare him to, shows either you don't know what you're talking about, or you're trying to be deceptive..

I definitely cant argue with anyone's stats to date. They are what they are. It's nice that we can agree on this mastering-of-the-obvious-point. Forecasting that Garcon or Cruz will maintain their Top 15ish performance based solely on these past 5 games is a fascinating approach to forecasting. I happen to disagree with it strongly for what are obvious reasons to, well, anyone. By all means, roll with it if that's the method you use. I wish you luck. Trade on that method of forecasting too if you'd like; makes me wish I was in your league.

 

[Tango]

I must say, I disagree strongly with your past=future approach; but hey, you're entitled to any forecasting style you wish to employ.

You quoted his stats thus far and said he was a marginal starter. Based on the very stats you quoted, he's a high WR2... A marginal starter would usually be WR30 or later..Please explain..He's now ranked 15th, you made a jump to marginal starter.. You continually fail to back up your assertions with a cogent argument..

No, I based that conclusion off the projection. Please read it again. Im interested in your thoughts on that projoection, more importantly its assumtpions and its implications.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

wish I was in your league.

You're right, your not in my league

 

[Tango]

wish I was in your league.

You're right, your not in my league

Another thing we agree on. That's two in a row! Any thoughts on the projections and their assumptions?

 

[Carolina Hustler]

I must say, I disagree strongly with your past=future approach; but hey, you're entitled to any forecasting style you wish to employ.

You quoted his stats thus far and said he was a marginal starter. Based on the very stats you quoted, he's a high WR2... A marginal starter would usually be WR30 or later..Please explain..He's now ranked 15th, you made a jump to marginal starter.. You continually fail to back up your assertions with a cogent argument..

No, I based that conclusion off the projection. Please read it again. Im interested in your thoughts on that projoection, more importantly its assumtpions and its implications.

#1 There is no basis for your projection...#2 you said I was projecting to many TD's (8) yet you project 10.. (lol)#3 your projected stats, when added to the first 5 games stats, total 57.5rec, for 963.5yrds, and 10 TD's equaling 213.5 pts in PPR scoring, 13.34 pts per game average, good for 19th ranked WR averageSo, with your projection, you have him ranked as 19th WR in the league and you call that a marginal starter....?.. ok.. I "strongly disagree"...BTW:In 201018. Welker, Wes NEP WR 213.80 pts on the yearIn 200918. Boldin, Anquan ARI WR 216.60 pts on the yearCruz is in good company based on your projection.. Guess Welker was a marginal starter that year huh?

 

[Tango]

I must say, I disagree strongly with your past=future approach; but hey, you're entitled to any forecasting style you wish to employ.

You quoted his stats thus far and said he was a marginal starter. Based on the very stats you quoted, he's a high WR2... A marginal starter would usually be WR30 or later..Please explain..He's now ranked 15th, you made a jump to marginal starter.. You continually fail to back up your assertions with a cogent argument..

No, I based that conclusion off the projection. Please read it again. Im interested in your thoughts on that projoection, more importantly its assumtpions and its implications.

#1 There is no basis for your projection...#2 you said I was projecting to many TD's (8) yet you project 10.. (lol)#3 your projected stats, when added to the first 5 games stats, total 57.5rec, for 963.5yrds, and 10 TD's equaling 213.5 pts in PPR scoring, 13.34 pts per game average, good for 19th ranked WR averageSo, with your projection, you have him ranked as 19th WR in the league and you call that a marginal starter....?.. ok.. I "strongly disagree"...

you really arent reading the post Carolina. Come on. #1: It's a forecast! yes, the assumptions have plenty of the usual combination of stat history and thought behind them.#2 That's the TD %! Not TDs! Please read it again.#3 Ill assume your math is right. That's super-awesome, but the last 5 weeks are history. What do the next 11 look like?Marginal starter going fwd of course! Come on Carolina, you must know that is what is being projected here; I really hope so.

 

[TidesofWar]

Garcon vs Cruz is like Coq au Vin vs the Pollo Burrito in mole sauce

How can you declare a winner?

 

[Tango]

Garcon vs Cruz is like Coq au Vin vs the Pollo Burrito in mole sauceHow can you declare a winner?

I put Garcon up there just for informational purposes so you can check on the veracity of the assumptions; it just provides a frame of reference.edited to add: and Ive mentioned him here as a fellow-emerging-WR w/ Cruz

 

[cvnpoka]

Cruz:

Team attempts per game: 33.5

Games remain: 11

Cruz target %: 17.8 (high IMHO)

Cruz targets p/g: 6

completion %: 60

receptions: 39

yds/recept: 15

yds: 594

TD rate: 10%

TDs: 4

you need to allocate where the rest of the giants targets go if you want this to be in any way a compelling exercise.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

I must say, I disagree strongly with your past=future approach; but hey, you're entitled to any forecasting style you wish to employ.

You quoted his stats thus far and said he was a marginal starter. Based on the very stats you quoted, he's a high WR2... A marginal starter would usually be WR30 or later..Please explain..He's now ranked 15th, you made a jump to marginal starter.. You continually fail to back up your assertions with a cogent argument..

No, I based that conclusion off the projection. Please read it again. Im interested in your thoughts on that projoection, more importantly its assumtpions and its implications.

#1 There is no basis for your projection...#2 you said I was projecting to many TD's (8) yet you project 10.. (lol)#3 your projected stats, when added to the first 5 games stats, total 57.5rec, for 963.5yrds, and 10 TD's equaling 213.5 pts in PPR scoring, 13.34 pts per game average, good for 19th ranked WR averageSo, with your projection, you have him ranked as 19th WR in the league and you call that a marginal starter....?.. ok.. I "strongly disagree"...

you really arent reading the post Carolina. Come on. #1: It's a forecast! yes, the assumptions have plenty of the usual combination of stat history and thought behind them.#2 That's the TD %! Not TDs! Please read it again.#3 Ill assume your math is right. That's super-awesome, but the last 5 weeks are history. What do the next 11 look like?Marginal starter going fwd of course! Come on Carolina, you must know that is what is being projected here; I really hope so.

Do all these walls make it more correct?

 

[Tango]

I must say, I disagree strongly with your past=future approach; but hey, you're entitled to any forecasting style you wish to employ.

You quoted his stats thus far and said he was a marginal starter. Based on the very stats you quoted, he's a high WR2... A marginal starter would usually be WR30 or later..Please explain..He's now ranked 15th, you made a jump to marginal starter.. You continually fail to back up your assertions with a cogent argument..

No, I based that conclusion off the projection. Please read it again. Im interested in your thoughts on that projoection, more importantly its assumtpions and its implications.

#1 There is no basis for your projection...#2 you said I was projecting to many TD's (8) yet you project 10.. (lol)#3 your projected stats, when added to the first 5 games stats, total 57.5rec, for 963.5yrds, and 10 TD's equaling 213.5 pts in PPR scoring, 13.34 pts per game average, good for 19th ranked WR averageSo, with your projection, you have him ranked as 19th WR in the league and you call that a marginal starter....?.. ok.. I "strongly disagree"...

you really arent reading the post Carolina. Come on. #1: It's a forecast! yes, the assumptions have plenty of the usual combination of stat history and thought behind them.#2 That's the TD %! Not TDs! Please read it again.#3 Ill assume your math is right. That's super-awesome, but the last 5 weeks are history. What do the next 11 look like?Marginal starter going fwd of course! Come on Carolina, you must know that is what is being projected here; I really hope so.

Do all these walls make it more correct?

maybe. : )wasnt trying to insist I was correct; simply trying to explain I wasnt forecasting 10 TDs in 11 games for these guys! oops, did it again...

 

[Tango]

Cruz:

Team attempts per game: 33.5

Games remain: 11

Cruz target %: 17.8 (high IMHO)

Cruz targets p/g: 6

completion %: 60

receptions: 39

yds/recept: 15

yds: 594

TD rate: 10%

TDs: 4

you need to allocate where the rest of the giants targets go if you want this to be in any way a compelling exercise.

Nicks running at about 25-29%, MM 20%ish, AB 10-15, TE1 10, Cruz at 15 (went to 17-18 in this fcst), all others 10%-15; give or take.

 

[Hoosier16]

Cruz targets p/g: 6

What makes you believe the Giants will target their most productive WR only 6 times per game?

 

[Tango]

Cruz targets p/g: 6

What makes you believe the Giants will target their most productive WR only 6 times per game?

33.5 att/game17-18% Cruz target rate gets you to 6; difficult to project higher than that going forward given what is in 2 posts above, but the case can certainly be made via promotion to #2 or by the Giants doing what they're doing now for the next 11 games and/or the Giants treating him exactly like they treated Steve Smith as third. So if you believe those scenarios will come true, then adjust upward. If you believe that he'll fall back to earth then adjust downward.

 

[Addai's Adidas]

I have been hesitant to put him in my starting lineup. But wth Fitz an Vincent Jackson on a bye I am forced to. I think he puts up 12 points in my league this week.

 

[netnalp]

Cruz targets p/g: 6

What makes you believe the Giants will target their most productive WR only 6 times per game?

33.5 att/game17-18% Cruz target rate gets you to 6; difficult to project higher than that going forward given what is in 2 posts above, but the case can certainly be made via promotion to #2 or by the Giants doing what they're doing now for the next 11 games and/or the Giants treating him exactly like they treated Steve Smith as third. So if you believe those scenarios will come true, then adjust upward. If you believe that he'll fall back to earth then adjust downward.

I think it's a case where defenses are focusing on Nicks and Manningham, trying to force Eli to pass to other WRs. I think the Giants keep going as they are till defenses force a change, Cruz will stay #3 and in the slot. I don't think Cruz will take the #2 spot so that it'd be Nicks and Cruz on most 2WR sets. I think it's like the Colts in past years, Austin Collie was the #3 but had more production than Garcon in previous years. I think if it's there Manning will target Cruz, since Eli has been trying to be more careful with the ball. I don't see him trying to force the ball to Cruz like he does to Nicks and used to with Plax.

 

[chinawildman]

Cruz targets p/g: 6

What makes you believe the Giants will target their most productive WR only 6 times per game?

33.5 att/game17-18% Cruz target rate gets you to 6; difficult to project higher than that going forward given what is in 2 posts above, but the case can certainly be made via promotion to #2 or by the Giants doing what they're doing now for the next 11 games and/or the Giants treating him exactly like they treated Steve Smith as third. So if you believe those scenarios will come true, then adjust upward. If you believe that he'll fall back to earth then adjust downward.

I think it's a case where defenses are focusing on Nicks and Manningham, trying to force Eli to pass to other WRs. I think the Giants keep going as they are till defenses force a change, Cruz will stay #3 and in the slot. I don't think Cruz will take the #2 spot so that it'd be Nicks and Cruz on most 2WR sets. I think it's like the Colts in past years, Austin Collie was the #3 but had more production than Garcon in previous years. I think if it's there Manning will target Cruz, since Eli has been trying to be more careful with the ball. I don't see him trying to force the ball to Cruz like he does to Nicks and used to with Plax.

I agree with everything you said except that. There's been more than one occasion where Eli has thrown to Cruz when he's double covered, and good things usually happen.

 

[Tango]

Cruz targets p/g: 6

What makes you believe the Giants will target their most productive WR only 6 times per game?

33.5 att/game17-18% Cruz target rate gets you to 6; difficult to project higher than that going forward given what is in 2 posts above, but the case can certainly be made via promotion to #2 or by the Giants doing what they're doing now for the next 11 games and/or the Giants treating him exactly like they treated Steve Smith as third. So if you believe those scenarios will come true, then adjust upward. If you believe that he'll fall back to earth then adjust downward.

Looks like 5 targets for Cruz today vs the Bills. You win some and you lose some. Many weeks left to go...

 

[Young 8]

Cruz targets p/g: 6

What makes you believe the Giants will target their most productive WR only 6 times per game?

LOLbecause Nicks is the best Giants WR

 

[Zal]

Cruz targets p/g: 6

What makes you believe the Giants will target their most productive WR only 6 times per game?

LOLbecause Nicks is the best Giants WR

Bingo! Nicks is the only WR I would want to own on that team right now..

 

[biggamer3]

As much as I love Cruz, he is not really fantasy startable with Manningham starting. Cruz had a very big drop today that could have really cost Gmen

 

[bc0312]

As much as I love Cruz, he is not really fantasy startable with Manningham starting. Cruz had a very big drop today that could have really cost Gmen

Big drop indeed. I went to that game today and if Cruz makes that catch, he only has the DB to beat and he is gone. The safety was on the other side of the field and there was no one else anywhere near him.

 

[Two Deep]

As much as I love Cruz, he is not really fantasy startable with Manningham starting. Cruz had a very big drop today that could have really cost Gmen

It seems he needs opposing players hanging on him to actually catch the ball.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

As much as I love Cruz, he is not really fantasy startable with Manningham starting. Cruz had a very big drop today that could have really cost Gmen

It seems he needs opposing players hanging on him to actually catch the ball.

It would seem that way..5 targets wasn't disappointing.. The completion percentage was.. If Cruz would have made that one play he'd have saved himself another week in this thread.. Lets see what he looks like next week..

 

[Hoosier16]

Cruz targets p/g: 6

What makes you believe the Giants will target their most productive WR only 6 times per game?

LOLbecause Nicks is the best Giants WR

Has anyone said otherwise? Does Nicks get so many targets that someone else can't get more than 6?

 

[Hoosier16]

Cruz targets p/g: 6

What makes you believe the Giants will target their most productive WR only 6 times per game?

LOLbecause Nicks is the best Giants WR

Bingo! Nicks is the only WR I would want to own on that team right now..

Think dynasty.

 

[Tango]

As much as I love Cruz, he is not really fantasy startable with Manningham starting. Cruz had a very big drop today that could have really cost Gmen

It seems he needs opposing players hanging on him to actually catch the ball.

It would seem that way..5 targets wasn't disappointing.. The completion percentage was.. If Cruz would have made that one play he'd have saved himself another week in this thread.. Lets see what he looks like next week..

Looks great; comeback mode = Cruz-time.

 

[49erFan77]

7 targerts,7rec,99 and 1 TD today

 

[biggamer3]

Lol to think all us giants fans were mad as hell when they lost Steve Smith in the pre season

 

[Tango]

Lol to think all us giants fans were mad as hell when they lost Steve Smith in the pre season

gotta keep fingers crossed that all is ok with Nicks; well, Giants fans do...for Cruz fans, though nobody wishes injury on anyone, wouldnt mind seeing him in the starting lineup for a few weeks.

 

[49erFan77]

Lol to think all us giants fans were mad as hell when they lost Steve Smith in the pre season

gotta keep fingers crossed that all is ok with Nicks; well, Giants fans do...for Cruz fans, though nobody wishes injury on anyone, wouldnt mind seeing him in the starting lineup for a few weeks.

agreed on both counts.

 

[biggamer3]

Ok guys, this dude is mega legit, too many weeks in a row to be a flash in the pan. He just gets open all the time and is a hard man to bring down.

Where would you guys rank him in dynasty leagues?

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

I'd put him Top 20 with Eli back there.

Wouldn't argue with someone much him much higher either as he's certainly ranked much higher for this year. He's certainly took the shine off Manningham.

 

[Dought Man]

I'd put him Top 20 with Eli back there.

Wouldn't argue with someone much him much higher either as he's certainly ranked much higher for this year. He's certainly took the shine off Manningham Nicks.

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[Macdaddy_2004]

Ridiculous - he's had a few fluke long runs (over the season) and was wide open on the busted coverage (tonigh) - looks a lot better than he really is. Somone is gonna ride this guy to a championship though............

 

[NeverEnough]

Ok guys, this dude is mega legit, too many weeks in a row to be a flash in the pan. He just gets open all the time and is a hard man to bring down.Where would you guys rank him in dynasty leagues?

As a Cruz owner in 2 dynasty leagues I am loving his production, but I will be trying to sell after this season. I don't see him doing it every year. With that said, I will not sell unless I get top tier talent.

 

[cvnpoka]

its amazing coughlin had him buried on the depth chart for years. only the hixon acl allowed him to produce like this.

 

[biggamer3]

its amazing coughlin had him buried on the depth chart for years. only the hixon acl allowed him to produce like this.

His one flaw is that he has the droppsies occasionally and the one coach who will not play an undrafted FA if he sees him dropping easy balls is probably Coughlin.This is a surprise to most NFL fans and even Giants coaches, but ever since last years Preseason where he had a 3 TD game, Giant message boards have been clamoring for him to get a shot with Eli in regular season

 

[cvnpoka]

its amazing coughlin had him buried on the depth chart for years. only the hixon acl allowed him to produce like this.

His one flaw is that he has the droppsies occasionally and the one coach who will not play an undrafted FA if he sees him dropping easy balls is probably Coughlin.This is a surprise to most NFL fans and even Giants coaches, but ever since last years Preseason where he had a 3 TD game, Giant message boards have been clamoring for him to get a shot with Eli in regular season

one of my friends is a massive giants homer and was shouting similarly from the rooftops. wish i woulda listened in more of my leagues.

 

[Steed]

its amazing coughlin had him buried on the depth chart for years. only the hixon acl allowed him to produce like this.

He was only buried last year when they prematurely placed him on IR with a hamstring pull. They knew they made a mistake when Nicks, Steve Smith, and Ramses Barden all got knocked out late in the season. They didn't make the same mistake in 2011, he's been no lower than 3rd on the depth chart.