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**Vikings at Lions** (-3.5, 46) 1:00 (1 Viewer)
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TheAristocrat
Footballguy
It's going to be sad to see Hunter walk for nothing as this franchise overvalues a slightly above average Cousins. But those are the breaks when team management should all be in concussion protocol. The Curse of Favre continues.
I don't think they can win with their QB by quarter options but it wouldn't surprise me if they did to get a worse draft pick. That's Vikings football, Skol?
I don't think they can win with their QB by quarter options but it wouldn't surprise me if they did to get a worse draft pick. That's Vikings football, Skol?
rockaction
Footballguy
Hey, bud. How are you doing?
Hey, you follow it more closely than I do, but aren't we seeing what missing Cousins means? Like, you could have three Hunters across the defensive line and QB play would still sink you. Whereas if you sign Cousins and draft an OLB or defensive lineman on a rookie deal you have a chance to compete, IMO.
That's just me, though. Vikings fans gonna know their team better than I do.
I wonder what @Gally and @Andy Dufresne and @BigJim® think of that.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
As far as I've heard it's business as usual
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I don't know why you'd be excited to break the bank for a 30 year old defensive lineman with an injury history. He'll sign a big enough contact somewhere where the Vikings will likely get a 3rd round compensatory - not great, but not nothing.
Neither am I fired up about re-signing Cousins off of an Achilles injury. He gives them a slightly better chance of getting to 11 wins and the ability to get bounced in the first round.
KAO's first two drafts have not been very good. This is a team wheezing it's way to awfulness. Neither signing is going to fix that.
What sucks is that KOC will pay the price it. And I think he's actually a great head coach.
Campbell said the starters are playing.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Lions up to -4 favorites, the bettors seem to think it's a full go in terms of starters.
-OZ-
Footballguy
That’s in his nature. But I do wonder if they’ll rest in the second half.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I suppose if they get out to a massive lead and the Vikings are in give up mode but otherwise I doubt it. Why play just a half? The 2nd seed would be a nice advantage over the 3rd seed.
rockaction
Footballguy
Aren't the Cowboys going to be the second seed if they win?
-OZ-
Footballguy
Yes. Of course the lions play before Dallas but I’d assume the cowboys beat the commanders.
rockaction
Footballguy
I missed this in the schedule and I think it does play a role. If Campbell knows going in that he's locked into a particular seed, he probably can't in good conscience go in and not rest his guys. Since he doesn't know, the decision is made for him, really.
-OZ-
Footballguy
Fair enough. The question is really just locking in the second home game. I think if they get a 17+ point lead they’ll rest the offense at least.
No question. But if the game is in doubt the starters are going to stay in the game imo.
FairWarning
Footballguy
I think they need Dallas and Philly to both lose.
In addition to Campbell saying the starters are playing, ARSB is mad as hell over not being a pro bowler...and we've seen what he does when he is motivated by being overlooked. Personally I expect a big game from ARSB.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I've seen the defense, a 17 point lead is not safe.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Correct. It is highly unlikely but it's the NFL, you never know. The team would look pretty dumb resting players, losing and then watching Philly and Dallas get upset.
FairWarning
Footballguy
I paired Goff with ARSB in DFS. Even if they play a half, they are probably a big reason for the lead. Being in a dome doesn’t hurt, looking at the weather around the league.
BigJim®
Footballguy
I'm not as up on the financial situation to agree with a 'Hunter or Cousins' decision point. Maybe it's the case, maybe not. If the team can't afford a good DE and a middle of the road QB contract, money being wasted elsewhere is more the problem than these two guys.
Cousins is not just slightly above average, period. He's upper echelon. However, time has proven the team is incapable of finding a consistent pocket for the pocket passing QB they invested in. If the Vikes pay Cousins, that is unlikely to change, but 75% of his capabilities is better than 100% of anything else they've put on the field post-Culpepper. That also equates to getting at least 75% out of recent early draft investments Jefferson, Addison, Hockenson (trade).
Not resigning Cousins, 'who then?' is always the question. This team has been terrible drafting QB for decades. What bad QBs they do draft are thrown to wolves behind the same OL that hamstrings even a quality QB like Cousins. I have a bad feeling they could forgo improving trenches and take a desperate reach in 2024 for a guy like McCarthy, who is the worst match from this class for a team with inferior OL. If the initial post is accurate, that could result in keeping Hunter, but risk of frittering/ruining yet another 1st round QB reach and getting 40%-50% out of recent early draft investments Jefferson, Addison, Hockenson while that slow trainwreck manifests over the next 3 years.
I'd draw analogy to the recent use of many early round draft picks on CB/S, only to hang them out to dry behind a withering DL.
The point? For nearly two decades, the annual decisions on the table are not as important as the decision to ignore the spine of a football team (trenches) perpetually. Everything else is somewhat meaningless in a big picture view.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
May be illness? Bug been going through the facility this week.
Good point. I didn't even think about that.
Cousins has not been the issue and you ate seeing that with the injury. I am all for resigning him and think the injury may help get a slight discount. He isn't the type of QB that an achilles injury will affect his game.
As far as Hunter goes...I love his game and would like to keep him but I think he is replaceable. I have no idea what his market will be but I wouldn't expect it to be too crazy.
MIN has many reasons to lose the game. Draft position, last place schedule. They're current drafting 12th with a chance to move up a couple of slots.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Sure but there's also dozens of players on that team who have their careers to play for, financial incentives to play for, etc.
Plus Brian Flores will make sure the defense puts pressure on Goff. Flores will be a head coach again. The MIN defense improved from very bad to middle of the pack in 2023. I think DET has too many weapons plus a great oline, pff rates them #2 behind PHI.
An elite productive edge rusher like Danielle Hunter will have a lot of teams lining up to sign him. They are very hard to find.
As a Lions fan I would love to see him opposite Aiden Hutchinson. Should he become available, I'd love to see Brad Holmes go after him.
Also doesn't seem like its in Campbell's DNA to rest players, so I think the Lions likely play their starters all the way through. Maybe they mix in more Craig Reynolds or something, but I'm not expecting anyone to play like a series or something.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Good ST play early for Lions.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
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Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
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Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
60 yard punt followed by a 40 yard return
Encyclopedia Brown
Footballguy
He was just a little bit open.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
New record most receptions by a rookie TE (82)
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
nice when the free runner finishes
rockaction
Footballguy
Watching the New Orleans game, but it seems like all the fun is in here.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
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