Vikings discuss trading for Schaub? (1 Viewer)

[King of the Jungle]

Here is what I think has happened. During the first phase of attempted trades, the Atlanta org firmly stated that they would not trade Schaub. For 2-3 weeks Schaub was the buzz nation wide. Vick went to Mora and complained that the backup QB should not be getting more attention the "track star". Mora has since changed his tune and they are now entertaining offers. They will regret the day Schaub comes to play them in a different uniform. Vick is an anchor for that organization.

Of course that may not be true, but I wouldn't doubt it.

 

[Vikes Fan]

But isn't Culpepper worth more than Schaub? That would be the Vikings though, to trade Culpepper for a second round pick and the give up a first round pick for Schaub.  How have I been a fan of ths team this long?

You would think so. However, the more I think about it, the more I would be okay with a #1 for Scahub and a #2 in return for Culpepper:1. Age. Culpepper is 29, Schaub is 24 (25 in a couple of months).

2. Salary. Culpepper was due a TON of money! Schaub will likely need to sign a multi-year deal for a trade to happen, but would likely come at 1/2 to 1/3 of Culpepper's price.

3. Health. No one knows how Culpepper will be affected as the result of his ACL/MCL/PCL on the playing field, and the threat to take off running was always one of his greatest weapons. Schaub, to my knowledge, has no major injury issues to speak of.

4. "Other". Culpepper no longer wanted to be in Minnesota, while Schaub is looking for a starting gig and presumably would welcome the move to Minnesota.

All-told, I guess I would be okay with this type of move by the Vikings. Would I rather have the "2004 Culpepper" on their roster? No doubt. However, I have a sneaking suspicion that 2004 was the last season that Culpepper comes anywhere close to posting those types of numbers....unless his decision-making/patience in the pocket improve dramatically in seasons to come.

Very Thanks for posting everything I was thinking!I too think this would be a good deal now.

And for the record, I also agree with Andy that Cutler = Boller. I have thought that before and I can't get it out of my head!

 

[BlueOnion]

Other notations regarding C-Pep and Schaub.

The Vikings' training camp this year will be critical, as an entire new offense will be implemented. The fact that Schuab would be a 100% healthy during this period is a big plus. Culpepper would not be 100% ready for a full training camp 'as the guy' until the summer of 2007.

In addition, I don't think Culpepper genuinely wanted to be in Minnesota. I think it is no secret that Culpepper lacked popularity in the Twin Cities and Minnesota. It seemed more times than not people were just hovering\waiting for a reason to jump on Culpepper. The love-boat incedent was (to me) clearly the straw that broke the camel's back. Although all charges were dropped by a judge, when the story broke the people of Minnesota were all but ready to throw him under the bus. If I am in Culpepper's shoes, it would be quite clear I lacked credibility within the State (for whatever reason) and a new start in another part of the country would be optimal.

I think Childress picked up on Culpepper's desire to leave, though I don't think Childress really understood why.

 

[Texasmouth]

Schaub could be the next Jake Delhomme. I think that was the fear of the falcons.

No way Cutler= Boller. I think cutler has far more mobility to start. Second, Cutler isn't from the same Cali offense that has produced quarterback faliures.

 

[BlueOnion]

From what I am reading at from the local Minnesota papers, the talks are not to serious. What I think the teams are discussing are;

Minnesota - "We are targeting a quarterback in the draft and we would first like to trade up for that particular player. However, if it turns out that we cannot get said player, we would be interested in Schaub. What would it take."

Atlanta - "Pick 1.17."

Minnesota - "Ok, I think we would be comfortable with that if the NFL draft unfolds in such a way we cannot get the guy we are targeting."

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In conclusion, I am still pretty adamant that Minnesota is targeting a quarteback (Lienart, Cutler, Young). I believe this quarterback is Lienart, with an outside shot of this quarterback being Cutler (I hope not though, I think Cutler = Boller). However, if they cannot get their quarterback, their backup plan will be to trade pick 1.17 for Schaub.

Just thinking out loud.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

In conclusion, I am still pretty adamant that Minnesota is targeting a quarteback (Lienart, Cutler, Young). I believe this quarterback is Lienart, with an outside shot of this quarterback being Cutler (I hope not though, I think Cutler = Boller). However, if they cannot get their quarterback, their backup plan will be to trade pick 1.17 for Schaub.

Just thinking out loud.

I think they're targetting Whitehurst or Croyle with one of the 2nd rounders.

 

[CanadianNFLJunkie]

In conclusion, I am still pretty adamant that Minnesota is targeting a quarteback (Lienart, Cutler, Young).  I believe this quarterback is Lienart, with an outside shot of this quarterback being Cutler (I hope not though, I think Cutler = Boller).  However, if they cannot get their quarterback, their backup plan will be to trade pick 1.17 for Schaub.

Just thinking out loud.

I think they're targetting Whitehurst or Croyle with one of the 2nd rounders.

I agree with Andy here but will other teams jockey themselves ahead of the Vikings late 1st and/or early 2nd, and grab those two? I hope not.I still think offering one of our #2's to Atlanta and maybe sweeten it with a future #3 would be good enough for Atlanta.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

In conclusion, I am still pretty adamant that Minnesota is targeting a quarteback (Lienart, Cutler, Young).  I believe this quarterback is Lienart, with an outside shot of this quarterback being Cutler (I hope not though, I think Cutler = Boller).  However, if they cannot get their quarterback, their backup plan will be to trade pick 1.17 for Schaub.

Just thinking out loud.

I think they're targetting Whitehurst or Croyle with one of the 2nd rounders.

I agree with Andy here but will other teams jockey themselves ahead of the Vikings late 1st and/or early 2nd, and grab those two? I hope not.I still think offering one of our #2's to Atlanta and maybe sweeten it with a future #3 would be good enough for Atlanta.

Actually I meant Whitehurst and Jacobs, but Croyle could be in that mix too.

 

[Vikes Fan]

Other notations regarding C-Pep and Schaub.

The Vikings' training camp this year will be critical, as an entire new offense will be implemented. The fact that Schuab would be a 100% healthy during this period is a big plus. Culpepper would not be 100% ready for a full training camp 'as the guy' until the summer of 2007.

In addition, I don't think Culpepper genuinely wanted to be in Minnesota. I think it is no secret that Culpepper lacked popularity in the Twin Cities and Minnesota. It seemed more times than not people were just hovering\waiting for a reason to jump on Culpepper. The love-boat incedent was (to me) clearly the straw that broke the camel's back. Although all charges were dropped by a judge, when the story broke the people of Minnesota were all but ready to throw him under the bus. If I am in Culpepper's shoes, it would be quite clear I lacked credibility within the State (for whatever reason) and a new start in another part of the country would be optimal.

I think Childress picked up on Culpepper's desire to leave, though I don't think Childress really understood why.

Patrick Reusse of the Star Trib. has stated several times that he thinks it is a "Black QB" issue that Minnesotans have. I agree with you that the state never really embraced him, and therefore he decided to get out while opportunity presented itself.

 

[Bojang0301]

In conclusion, I am still pretty adamant that Minnesota is targeting a quarteback (Lienart, Cutler, Young).  I believe this quarterback is Lienart, with an outside shot of this quarterback being Cutler (I hope not though, I think Cutler = Boller).  However, if they cannot get their quarterback, their backup plan will be to trade pick 1.17 for Schaub.

Just thinking out loud.

I think they're targetting Whitehurst or Croyle with one of the 2nd rounders.

OMAR!... The more I think about it the more he reminds me of McNabb.

 

[massraider]

If the Falcons can get a 1 (plus?) for Shaub, they should jump on it. hard to imagine his value going any higher. If Vick goes down this season, and his stats are anything less than superhuman, his value would plummet.

 

[wannabee]

In conclusion, I am still pretty adamant that Minnesota is targeting a quarteback (Lienart, Cutler, Young).  I believe this quarterback is Lienart, with an outside shot of this quarterback being Cutler (I hope not though, I think Cutler = Boller).  However, if they cannot get their quarterback, their backup plan will be to trade pick 1.17 for Schaub.

Just thinking out loud.

I think they're targetting Whitehurst or Croyle with one of the 2nd rounders.

OMAR!... The more I think about it the more he reminds me of McNabb.

I did not realize McNabb had a funky enough delivery to be in the Jacobs class

 

[Bojang0301]

In conclusion, I am still pretty adamant that Minnesota is targeting a quarteback (Lienart, Cutler, Young).  I believe this quarterback is Lienart, with an outside shot of this quarterback being Cutler (I hope not though, I think Cutler = Boller).  However, if they cannot get their quarterback, their backup plan will be to trade pick 1.17 for Schaub.

Just thinking out loud.

I think they're targetting Whitehurst or Croyle with one of the 2nd rounders.

OMAR!... The more I think about it the more he reminds me of McNabb.

I did not realize McNabb had a funky enough delivery to be in the Jacobs class

True, Omar puts a nice tight spiral on the ball too.

 

[Hov34]

Other notations regarding C-Pep and Schaub.

The Vikings' training camp this year will be critical, as an entire new offense will be implemented.  The fact that Schuab would be a 100% healthy during this period is a big plus.  Culpepper would not be 100% ready for a full training camp 'as the guy' until the summer of 2007.

In addition, I don't think Culpepper genuinely wanted to be in Minnesota.  I think it is no secret that Culpepper lacked popularity in the Twin Cities and Minnesota.  It seemed more times than not people were just hovering\waiting for a reason to jump on Culpepper.  The love-boat incedent was (to me) clearly the straw that broke the camel's back.  Although all charges were dropped by a judge, when the story broke the people of Minnesota were all but ready to throw him under the bus.  If I am in Culpepper's shoes, it would be quite clear I lacked credibility within the State (for whatever reason) and a new start in another part of the country would be optimal. 

I think Childress picked up on Culpepper's desire to leave, though I don't think Childress really understood why.

Patrick Reusse of the Star Trib. has stated several times that he thinks it is a "Black QB" issue that Minnesotans have. I agree with you that the state never really embraced him, and therefore he decided to get out while opportunity presented itself.

Yeah, cuz they really shate on Randall Cunningham and Warren Moon didn't they...

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Patrick Reusse of the Star Trib. has stated several times that he thinks it is a "Black QB" issue that Minnesotans have. I agree with you that the state never really embraced him, and therefore he decided to get out while opportunity presented itself.

Patrick Reusse is an idiot that's just trying to in order to sell newspapers.There are no race problems with black athletes. The adoration of Kirby Puckett dispells this garbage in a skinny instant.

 

[reg]

Patrick Reusse of the Star Trib. has stated several times that he thinks it is a "Black QB" issue that Minnesotans have.  I agree with you that the state never really embraced him, and therefore he decided to get out while opportunity presented itself.

Patrick Reusse is an idiot that's just trying to in order to sell newspapers.There are no race problems with black athletes. The adoration of Kirby Puckett dispells this garbage in a skinny instant.

Dang, all these years I have been taking what Reusse says as the gospel truth.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Patrick Reusse of the Star Trib. has stated several times that he thinks it is a "Black QB" issue that Minnesotans have.  I agree with you that the state never really embraced him, and therefore he decided to get out while opportunity presented itself.

Patrick Reusse is an idiot that's just trying to in order to sell newspapers.There are no race problems with black athletes. The adoration of Kirby Puckett dispells this garbage in a skinny instant.

Dang, all these years I have been taking what Reusse says as the gospel truth.

Between him and Sid, it's hard to find bigger tools. Barriero and Dan Cole give them a run, though.

 

[Gordo]

Patrick Reusse of the Star Trib. has stated several times that he thinks it is a "Black QB" issue that Minnesotans have. I agree with you that the state never really embraced him, and therefore he decided to get out while opportunity presented itself.

Patrick Reusse is an idiot that's just trying to in order to sell newspapers.There are no race problems with black athletes. The adoration of Kirby Puckett dispells this garbage in a skinny instant.

It may not be biggest state wide reason, but you know there are a few tools with that as an underlying reason (which would be true in any state though). It's not hard to figure that out when listening to them on KFAN, or when talking to a couple of the rednecks I was in a FF league with.

 

[reg]

Patrick Reusse of the Star Trib. has stated several times that he thinks it is a "Black QB" issue that Minnesotans have.  I agree with you that the state never really embraced him, and therefore he decided to get out while opportunity presented itself.

Patrick Reusse is an idiot that's just trying to in order to sell newspapers.There are no race problems with black athletes. The adoration of Kirby Puckett dispells this garbage in a skinny instant.

It may not be biggest state wide reason, but you know there are a few tools with that as an underlying reason (which would be true in any state though). It's not hard to figure that out when listening to them on KFAN, or when talking to a couple of the rednecks I was in a FF league with.

Couldn't that be said of any state?

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Patrick Reusse of the Star Trib. has stated several times that he thinks it is a "Black QB" issue that Minnesotans have.  I agree with you that the state never really embraced him, and therefore he decided to get out while opportunity presented itself.

Patrick Reusse is an idiot that's just trying to in order to sell newspapers.There are no race problems with black athletes. The adoration of Kirby Puckett dispells this garbage in a skinny instant.

It may not be biggest state wide reason, but you know there are a few tools with that as an underlying reason (which would be true in any state though). It's not hard to figure that out when listening to them on KFAN, or when talking to a couple of the rednecks I was in a FF league with.

Couldn't that be said of any state?

 

[reg]

Patrick Reusse of the Star Trib. has stated several times that he thinks it is a "Black QB" issue that Minnesotans have.  I agree with you that the state never really embraced him, and therefore he decided to get out while opportunity presented itself.

Patrick Reusse is an idiot that's just trying to in order to sell newspapers.There are no race problems with black athletes. The adoration of Kirby Puckett dispells this garbage in a skinny instant.

It may not be biggest state wide reason, but you know there are a few tools with that as an underlying reason (which would be true in any state though). It's not hard to figure that out when listening to them on KFAN, or when talking to a couple of the rednecks I was in a FF league with.

Couldn't that be said of any state?

I don't read stuff between parentheses.

 

[BlueOnion]

Other notations regarding C-Pep and Schaub.

The Vikings' training camp this year will be critical, as an entire new offense will be implemented. The fact that Schuab would be a 100% healthy during this period is a big plus. Culpepper would not be 100% ready for a full training camp 'as the guy' until the summer of 2007.

In addition, I don't think Culpepper genuinely wanted to be in Minnesota. I think it is no secret that Culpepper lacked popularity in the Twin Cities and Minnesota. It seemed more times than not people were just hovering\waiting for a reason to jump on Culpepper. The love-boat incedent was (to me) clearly the straw that broke the camel's back. Although all charges were dropped by a judge, when the story broke the people of Minnesota were all but ready to throw him under the bus. If I am in Culpepper's shoes, it would be quite clear I lacked credibility within the State (for whatever reason) and a new start in another part of the country would be optimal.

I think Childress picked up on Culpepper's desire to leave, though I don't think Childress really understood why.

Patrick Reusse of the Star Trib. has stated several times that he thinks it is a "Black QB" issue that Minnesotans have. I agree with you that the state never really embraced him, and therefore he decided to get out while opportunity presented itself.

Yeah, cuz they really shate on Randall Cunningham and Warren Moon didn't they...

I don't recall Moon being very popular and I don't think many people remorsed him being pushed aside by a relatively unknown Brad Johnson (12 the round pick who never started at college). For Cunningham, he stepped in for an injured Brad Johnson and won Denny Green his first playoff game (at New York), but Cunningham still had his detractors. I think leading the team to 15-1 record and helping set the all-time single season scoring record (team) kept the naysayers at bay. But the naysayers were quick to turn on him after 1998; which was shocking because alternative was Jeff George.

 

[ArcticEdge]

Other notations regarding C-Pep and Schaub.

The Vikings' training camp this year will be critical, as an entire new offense will be implemented.  The fact that Schuab would be a 100% healthy during this period is a big plus.  Culpepper would not be 100% ready for a full training camp 'as the guy' until the summer of 2007.

In addition, I don't think Culpepper genuinely wanted to be in Minnesota.  I think it is no secret that Culpepper lacked popularity in the Twin Cities and Minnesota.  It seemed more times than not people were just hovering\waiting for a reason to jump on Culpepper.  The love-boat incedent was (to me) clearly the straw that broke the camel's back.  Although all charges were dropped by a judge, when the story broke the people of Minnesota were all but ready to throw him under the bus.  If I am in Culpepper's shoes, it would be quite clear I lacked credibility within the State (for whatever reason) and a new start in another part of the country would be optimal. 

I think Childress picked up on Culpepper's desire to leave, though I don't think Childress really understood why.

Patrick Reusse of the Star Trib. has stated several times that he thinks it is a "Black QB" issue that Minnesotans have. I agree with you that the state never really embraced him, and therefore he decided to get out while opportunity presented itself.

LOL - Minnesota fans are all racists??? I don't think so... We are like any other fans that don't like turnover kings as our QB.

 

[John 14:6]

Between him and Sid, it's hard to find bigger tools. Barriero and Dan Cole give them a run, though.

I like listening to Barriero. I usually agree with what he says, especially concerning sports.

 

[John 14:6]

I don't recall Moon being very popular and I don't think many people remorsed him being pushed aside by a relatively unknown Brad Johnson (12 the round pick who never started at college). For Cunningham, he stepped in for an injured Brad Johnson and won Denny Green his first playoff game (at New York), but Cunningham still had his detractors. I think leading the team to 15-1 record and helping set the all-time single season scoring record (team) kept the naysayers at bay. But the naysayers were quick to turn on him after 1998; which was shocking because alternative was Jeff George.

I don't really remember the state media's take on things, but I recall Moon and Cunningham both being adored by Viking fans. I know I sure loved them.Things did go sour for them all at some point as a Viking. But I don't think it had anything to do with them being black. I think it was because the back-ups played better when they took over for them.

 

[Phlash]

Makes a ton of sense to me. Schaub is an ideal fit for Childress' WCO, and would be a MUCH better investment of a mid first rounder than Jay "Risk" Cutler.

EXACTLY!!! Everyone saw Schaub rip the Patriots secondary in half, smoothly running Jim Mora Jr.'s WCO. Childress would be wise to trade for the guy, I've always thought he should be a starter.

 

[Vikes Fan]

Patrick Reusse of the Star Trib. has stated several times that he thinks it is a "Black QB" issue that Minnesotans have.  I agree with you that the state never really embraced him, and therefore he decided to get out while opportunity presented itself.

Patrick Reusse is an idiot that's just trying to in order to sell newspapers.There are no race problems with black athletes. The adoration of Kirby Puckett dispells this garbage in a skinny instant.

I want to make it clear that I didn't say I agreed with him. I just wanted to bring up what Reusse said. I guess it worked to stir the pot here a little.I find Dan Cole on KFAN unlistenable.

 

[Sweetness_34]

If the Falcons can get a 1 (plus?) for Shaub, they should jump on it. hard to imagine his value going any higher. If Vick goes down this season, and his stats are anything less than superhuman, his value would plummet.

It works both ways because if Vick did go down and say Schaub played really well, then either the Falcons can franchise tag him and keep him as their franchise QB over Vick or trade him for a 1st rounder in the next off seasonRemember, if Gretzky, Michael Jordan, Jerry Rice, Joe Montana, Randy Moss etc etc can all play for other teams than they were originally drafted by, then anyone can be cut or traded.....including Vick.

 

[datonn]

I find Dan Cole on KFAN unlistenable.

I find KFAN virtually unlistenable throughout the entire day. 7-8 minutes of jabber, 3-4 minutes of ads. 7-8 minutes of jabber, 3-4 minutes of ads. News/Sports Update, 3-4 minutes of ads. Repeat for through PA&Dubay, Common, Hartman and Barreiro. I used to listen at work all day as "white-noise", but all the ads have driven me away.

 

[Shlon]

If the Falcons can get a 1 (plus?) for Shaub, they should jump on it.  hard to imagine his value going any higher.  If Vick goes down this season, and his stats are anything less than superhuman, his value would plummet.

It works both ways because if Vick did go down and say Schaub played really well, then either the Falcons can franchise tag him and keep him as their franchise QB over Vick or trade him for a 1st rounder in the next off seasonRemember, if Gretzky, Michael Jordan, Jerry Rice, Joe Montana, Randy Moss etc etc can all play for other teams than they were originally drafted by, then anyone can be cut or traded.....including Vick.

Not anytime soon, cutting Vick or trading him would put Falcons in cap hell (signing bonus, crazy #'s)... so in the next 3-4 years that'll be impossible.

 

[Texasmouth]

Sorry to disagree with the race card finding its way into the discussion but IIRC Warren Moon, Randall Cunningham and Daunte Culpepper were all extremely popular when they were WINNING and putting up numbers. When they started heading down hill, of course they were less popular. It doesn't matter what color you are, when you are winning, people love you, when your not, they love your backup.

 

[Texasmouth]

If the Falcons can get a 1 (plus?) for Shaub, they should jump on it.  hard to imagine his value going any higher.  If Vick goes down this season, and his stats are anything less than superhuman, his value would plummet.

It works both ways because if Vick did go down and say Schaub played really well, then either the Falcons can franchise tag him and keep him as their franchise QB over Vick or trade him for a 1st rounder in the next off seasonRemember, if Gretzky, Michael Jordan, Jerry Rice, Joe Montana, Randy Moss etc etc can all play for other teams than they were originally drafted by, then anyone can be cut or traded.....including Vick.

Not anytime soon, cutting Vick or trading him would put Falcons in cap hell (signing bonus, crazy #'s)... so in the next 3-4 years that'll be impossible.

Jordan was NEVER released or traded. Vick is no Jordan.

 

[BlueOnion]

Dan Berriero around?

 

[shamrock84]

Sorry to disagree with the race card finding its way into the discussion but IIRC Warren Moon, Randall Cunningham and Daunte Culpepper were all extremely popular when they were WINNING and putting up numbers. When they started heading down hill, of course they were less popular. It doesn't matter what color you are, when you are winning, people love you, when your not, they love your backup.

 

[Big Score]

Patrick Reusse of the Star Trib. has stated several times that he thinks it is a "Black QB" issue that Minnesotans have.  I agree with you that the state never really embraced him, and therefore he decided to get out while opportunity presented itself.

Patrick Reusse is an idiot that's just trying to in order to sell newspapers.There are no race problems with black athletes. The adoration of Kirby Puckett dispells this garbage in a skinny instant.

It may not be biggest state wide reason, but you know there are a few tools with that as an underlying reason (which would be true in any state though). It's not hard to figure that out when listening to them on KFAN, or when talking to a couple of the rednecks I was in a FF league with.

I'm a transplant from overseas (Australia) but have been in the states for sometime now. Guess my ignorance on racial issues is really going to show out here. I honestly thought if there were going to be a bias due to race, it would be in the Southern states, not the Northern states.Guess that even now, this is a still nationwide hang up?

 

[massraider]

If the Falcons can get a 1 (plus?) for Shaub, they should jump on it.  hard to imagine his value going any higher.  If Vick goes down this season, and his stats are anything less than superhuman, his value would plummet.

It works both ways because if Vick did go down and say Schaub played really well, then either the Falcons can franchise tag him and keep him as their franchise QB over Vick or trade him for a 1st rounder in the next off seasonRemember, if Gretzky, Michael Jordan, Jerry Rice, Joe Montana, Randy Moss etc etc can all play for other teams than they were originally drafted by, then anyone can be cut or traded.....including Vick.

Well, if they have doubts about Vick, and think Shaub is the guy, then he shouldn't even be on the block.And it sounds like they can get a 1st for him right now, so it seems to me his value can only go down.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I'm a transplant from overseas (Australia) but have been in the states for sometime now. Guess my ignorance on racial issues is really going to show out here. I honestly thought if there were going to be a bias due to race, it would be in the Southern states, not the Northern states.

Guess that even now, this is a still nationwide hang up?

Only to people like Spike Lee, Jesse Jackson, Louis Farrakahn, Al Sharpton, and a few Tennessee rednecks.The rest of us have learned to get along pretty well.

 

[Mr. Chumley]

But isn't Culpepper worth more than Schaub? That would be the Vikings though, to trade Culpepper for a second round pick and the give up a first round pick for Schaub. How have I been a fan of ths team this long?

Just remember what Miami gave up for Feeley last year. That should cheer you up. That had to be the worst trade in league history.

 

[wannabee]

But isn't Culpepper worth more than Schaub? That would be the Vikings though, to trade Culpepper for a second round pick and the give up a first round pick for Schaub.  How have I been a fan of ths team this long?

Just remember what Miami gave up for Feeley last year. That should cheer you up. That had to be the worst trade in league history.

I think it is close between the 'fins trading for Feeley and the 'fins trading for Lamar Gordon. Both were :X

 

[Preacher 1]

I'm a transplant from overseas (Australia) but have been in the states for sometime now. Guess my ignorance on racial issues is really going to show out here. I honestly thought if there were going to be a bias due to race, it would be in the Southern states, not the Northern states.

Guess that even now, this is a still nationwide hang up?

Only to people like Spike Lee, Jesse Jackson, Louis Farrakahn, Al Sharpton, and a few Tennessee rednecks.The rest of us have learned to get along pretty well.

Wow, have you ever been isolated if you relly believe this is true,If you know an African-American, ask him/her what it's like to be Black in Minnesota. Ask them about racial profiling, ask them about jobs, housing, employment, and general treatment by whites. Ask them about driving down the street and being pulled over for no violation. Ask an Hispanic person the same questions, hell, ask an Asian as well, not to mention a Native American.

Racism is alive and well in Minnesota, we just hide it behind a veneer of "Minnesota Nice"...

 

[John 14:6]

Wow, have you ever been isolated if you relly believe this is true,

If you know an African-American, ask him/her what it's like to be Black in Minnesota.  Ask them about racial profiling, ask them about jobs, housing, employment, and general treatment by whites.  Ask them about driving down the street and being pulled over for no violation.  Ask an Hispanic person the same questions, hell, ask an Asian as well, not to mention a Native American.

Racism is alive and well in Minnesota, we just hide it behind a veneer of "Minnesota Nice"...

My wife hasn't had many problems. But then again she's African, not African-American. When we were dating it seemed like black people, especially other Africans, were where we got the most grief.I don't think Minnesota is perfect by any stretch, but what state is?

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I'm a transplant from overseas (Australia) but have been in the states for sometime now. Guess my ignorance on racial issues is really going to show out here. I honestly thought if there were going to be a bias due to race, it would be in the Southern states, not the Northern states.

Guess that even now, this is a still nationwide hang up?

Only to people like Spike Lee, Jesse Jackson, Louis Farrakahn, Al Sharpton, and a few Tennessee rednecks.The rest of us have learned to get along pretty well.

Wow, have you ever been isolated if you relly believe this is true,If you know an African-American, ask him/her what it's like to be Black in Minnesota. Ask them about racial profiling, ask them about jobs, housing, employment, and general treatment by whites. Ask them about driving down the street and being pulled over for no violation. Ask an Hispanic person the same questions, hell, ask an Asian as well, not to mention a Native American.

Racism is alive and well in Minnesota, we just hide it behind a veneer of "Minnesota Nice"...

I know plenty of black people in Minnesota. I doubt there is more trouble for them here than anywhere else.Perhaps you know better places to look, though.

 

[Bojang0301]

This is turning into an FFA faster than Reggie Bush's 40.

 

[reg]

I'm a transplant from overseas (Australia) but have been in the states for sometime now. Guess my ignorance on racial issues is really going to show out here. I honestly thought if there were going to be a bias due to race, it would be in the Southern states, not the Northern states.

Guess that even now, this is a still nationwide hang up?

Only to people like Spike Lee, Jesse Jackson, Louis Farrakahn, Al Sharpton, and a few Tennessee rednecks.The rest of us have learned to get along pretty well.

Wow, have you ever been isolated if you relly believe this is true,If you know an African-American, ask him/her what it's like to be Black in Minnesota. Ask them about racial profiling, ask them about jobs, housing, employment, and general treatment by whites. Ask them about driving down the street and being pulled over for no violation. Ask an Hispanic person the same questions, hell, ask an Asian as well, not to mention a Native American.

Racism is alive and well in Minnesota, we just hide it behind a veneer of "Minnesota Nice"...

My Asian co-worker said she has never experienced any problems like you describe.

 

[Preacher 1]

I'm a transplant from overseas (Australia) but have been in the states for sometime now. Guess my ignorance on racial issues is really going to show out here. I honestly thought if there were going to be a bias due to race, it would be in the Southern states, not the Northern states.

Guess that even now, this is a still nationwide hang up?

Only to people like Spike Lee, Jesse Jackson, Louis Farrakahn, Al Sharpton, and a few Tennessee rednecks.The rest of us have learned to get along pretty well.

Wow, have you ever been isolated if you relly believe this is true,If you know an African-American, ask him/her what it's like to be Black in Minnesota. Ask them about racial profiling, ask them about jobs, housing, employment, and general treatment by whites. Ask them about driving down the street and being pulled over for no violation. Ask an Hispanic person the same questions, hell, ask an Asian as well, not to mention a Native American.

Racism is alive and well in Minnesota, we just hide it behind a veneer of "Minnesota Nice"...

I know plenty of black people in Minnesota. I doubt there is more trouble for them here than anywhere else.Perhaps you know better places to look, though.

Have you actually talked to them about it? Have you asked them what they've experienced?

Only to people like Spike Lee, Jesse Jackson, Louis Farrakahn, Al Sharpton, and a few Tennessee rednecks.

The rest of us have learned to get along pretty well.

That's what you actually posted, not a comparison to any other place, just right here...

 

[Big Score]

My apologies for taking this thread in a direction than otherwise intended.

Schaub to the Vikes would in all probability, be an excellent move for them. However, I think the Falcons asking price may be too high.

 

[Vikes Fan]

My apologies for taking this thread in a direction than otherwise intended.

Schaub to the Vikes would in all probability, be an excellent move for them. However, I think the Falcons asking price may be too high.

Thanks! My posting about what Reusse said was to share what another person said might be a reason. I never expected this kind of tangent.I agree that if the price is right, Shaub would be perfect for the Vikings.

 

[Da Guru]

Why would Atlanta trade their best QB? That does not make sense at all.

 

[ArcticEdge]

Here is what I think has happened. During the first phase of attempted trades, the Atlanta org firmly stated that they would not trade Schaub. For 2-3 weeks Schaub was the buzz nation wide. Vick went to Mora and complained that the backup QB should not be getting more attention the "track star". Mora has since changed his tune and they are now entertaining offers. They will regret the day Schaub comes to play them in a different uniform. Vick is an anchor for that organization.

Of course that may not be true, but I wouldn't doubt it.

If I was a GM, I'd take Schaub over Vick everyday of the week and all 4 quarters on Sunday....

 

[Wadsworth]

Patrick Reusse of the Star Trib. has stated several times that he thinks it is a "Black QB" issue that Minnesotans have.  I agree with you that the state never really embraced him, and therefore he decided to get out while opportunity presented itself.

Patrick Reusse is an idiot that's just trying to in order to sell newspapers.There are no race problems with black athletes. The adoration of Kirby Puckett dispells this garbage in a skinny instant.

It may not be biggest state wide reason, but you know there are a few tools with that as an underlying reason (which would be true in any state though). It's not hard to figure that out when listening to them on KFAN, or when talking to a couple of the rednecks I was in a FF league with.

I'm a transplant from overseas (Australia) but have been in the states for sometime now. Guess my ignorance on racial issues is really going to show out here. I honestly thought if there were going to be a bias due to race, it would be in the Southern states, not the Northern states.Guess that even now, this is a still nationwide hang up?

Culpepper was traded to a southern state team. Brooks started in NO for years. All 3 of Jacksonville's QBs are black. Vick plays in Atlanta. If there's a problem it's certainly not isolated to the south.More to the point, there are rasist idiot fans of every team. But they are the minority of fans for every team.