Vikings discuss trading for Schaub? (1 Viewer)

[cstu]

Sorry to disagree with the race card finding its way into the discussion but IIRC Warren Moon, Randall Cunningham and Daunte Culpepper were all extremely popular when they were WINNING and putting up numbers. When they started heading down hill, of course they were less popular. It doesn't matter what color you are, when you are winning, people love you, when your not, they love your backup.

Don't forget how EVERYONE loved Kordell Stewart in 1997.

 

[Texasmouth]

Sorry to disagree with the race card finding its way into the discussion but IIRC Warren Moon, Randall Cunningham and Daunte Culpepper were all extremely popular when they were WINNING and putting up numbers. When they started heading down hill, of course they were less popular. It doesn't matter what color you are, when you are winning, people love you, when your not, they love your backup.

Don't forget how EVERYONE loved Kordell Stewart in 1997.

He didn't play for Minnesota though.....

 

[Preacher 1]

So nobody's pointing out the fact that in 2 years, Schaub has completed less than 50 percent of his passes, and beaten only the Vikings?

I guess that i'm missing that 1st round talent that others seem to see.

 

[Wadsworth]

So nobody's pointing out the fact that in 2 years, Schaub has completed less than 50 percent of his passes, and beaten only the Vikings?

I guess that i'm missing that 1st round talent that others seem to see.

I agree. I think it's classic back up QB hero worship. The Falcons would be nuts to turn down a deal like that. Sure, he could be the next Delhomme or Brunell, but he could also be the next Rob Johnson or Feeley. The Jaguars ended up with Fred Taylor and Tavian Banks(who looked VERY good before an injury) for Rob Johnson in a somewhat similar deal.

Speaking of the Jags the Falcons could take that deal from the Vikes and then trade a second to get Garrard from Jax and have a proven back up that is more in the mold of Vick so they wouldn't have to change game plans much if Vick went down. Garrard might be down grade from Schaub(might not, too) but they'd profit mightily in the exchange overall.

 

[CanadianNFLJunkie]

Sorry to disagree with the race card finding its way into the discussion but IIRC Warren Moon, Randall Cunningham and Daunte Culpepper were all extremely popular when they were WINNING and putting up numbers. When they started heading down hill, of course they were less popular. It doesn't matter what color you are, when you are winning, people love you, when your not, they love your backup.

Don't forget how EVERYONE loved Kordell Stewart in 1997.

?? Define everyone please? I NEVER liked Slash. He never learned how to throw to his left very well.I'd offer one of the #2's for Schaub otherwise I'd think the Vikings will target one of the other QB's in round 2.

 

[FunkyPlutos]

I'd offer one of the #2's for Schaub otherwise I'd think the Vikings will target one of the other QB's in round 2.

 

[Shlon]

If the Falcons can get a 1 (plus?) for Shaub, they should jump on it.  hard to imagine his value going any higher.  If Vick goes down this season, and his stats are anything less than superhuman, his value would plummet.

It works both ways because if Vick did go down and say Schaub played really well, then either the Falcons can franchise tag him and keep him as their franchise QB over Vick or trade him for a 1st rounder in the next off seasonRemember, if Gretzky, Michael Jordan, Jerry Rice, Joe Montana, Randy Moss etc etc can all play for other teams than they were originally drafted by, then anyone can be cut or traded.....including Vick.

Not anytime soon, cutting Vick or trading him would put Falcons in cap hell (signing bonus, crazy #'s)... so in the next 3-4 years that'll be impossible.

Jordan was NEVER released or traded. Vick is no Jordan.

You quoted one too many.

Why would Atlanta trade their best QB?  That does not make sense at all.

Eh 0-2 as a starter. 49.3% career completion percentage. 5 TD's 4 INT's, Career 68.7 QB Rating. Schaub has potential but far from saying something as ignorant as that.

 

[citsalp]

The Falcons are looking toward the playoffs, they need a quality back-up QB. Plus next year they will tender him, and get added draft picks anyway. If you think the Falcons settle for less than a first this year, you haven't followed RM's bio.

 

[BlueOnion]

But isn't Culpepper worth more than Schaub? That would be the Vikings though, to trade Culpepper for a second round pick and the give up a first round pick for Schaub. How have I been a fan of ths team this long?

Just remember what Miami gave up for Feeley last year. That should cheer you up. That had to be the worst trade in league history.

That is way outside the lines buddy, watch you back!

Do not enter a Viking thread and casually throw out the term 'worse trade ever' unless the topic is Herchel Walker.

 

[wannabee]

But isn't Culpepper worth more than Schaub? That would be the Vikings though, to trade Culpepper for a second round pick and the give up a first round pick for Schaub.  How have I been a fan of ths team this long?

Just remember what Miami gave up for Feeley last year. That should cheer you up. That had to be the worst trade in league history.

That is way outside the lines buddy, watch you back!

Do not enter a Viking thread and casually throw out the term 'worse trade ever' unless the topic is Herchel Walker.

This is POTD.

 

[AnonymousBob]

Here is what I think has happened. During the first phase of attempted trades, the Atlanta org firmly stated that they would not trade Schaub. For 2-3 weeks Schaub was the buzz nation wide. Vick went to Mora and complained that the backup QB should not be getting more attention the "track star". Mora has since changed his tune and they are now entertaining offers. They will regret the day Schaub comes to play them in a different uniform. Vick is an anchor for that organization.

Of course that may not be true, but I wouldn't doubt it.

If I was a GM, I'd take Schaub over Vick everyday of the week and all 4 quarters on Sunday....

Then you'd be a fool. Maybe the Lions will hire you. I admit I believe Schaub has potential (looking at his stats made me think so) but to say he's a better pick than Vick? Even ignoring the fact the NFL is a business and Vick is a cash cow, he's also a quality qb. Best in the league? No, not at all. But he's much closer to the top than the bottom and he should get better. Heck, he's done something even Manning has failed to do.Anybody have Michael Vick's record?

 

[Donnybrook]

So nobody's pointing out the fact that in 2 years, Schaub has completed less than 50 percent of his passes, and beaten only the Vikings?

I guess that i'm missing that 1st round talent that others seem to see.

Doesn't seem like a big deal to me. Here is how Farve started his career in Atlanta.

Favre's very first pass in the NFL went for a touchdown . . . for the other team. His most notable accomplishments, aside from going 0 for 5 passing with two interceptions that year, were missing the team photo (he'd been out the night before), for which he was fined, and making a $100 bet with Jerry Glanville that he could throw the ball into the upperdeck of Fulton County Stadium.

Not saying your wrong but you just never know until he starts full time. But I can't see Atlanta making that trade especially not for the 17th pick in the draft. That was the same pick they received for Favre.

 

[FunkyPlutos]

FYI, from today's Star Tribune...

Schaub update

The Vikings were turned down in their most recent offer for Atlanta backup quarterback Matt Schaub, and they appear on track to draft their quarterback of the future later this month. The Vikings offered Atlanta one of their two second-round picks for Schaub, who many believe is ready to start for a West Coast-style offense like the Vikings'.

The Falcons have insisted on getting a first-round pick for Schaub. The Vikings have been unwilling to part with their first-round selection, No. 17 overall, to get him.

LINK

 

[Hov34]

FYI, from today's Star Tribune...

Schaub update

The Vikings were turned down in their most recent offer for Atlanta backup quarterback Matt Schaub, and they appear on track to draft their quarterback of the future later this month. The Vikings offered Atlanta one of their two second-round picks for Schaub, who many believe is ready to start for a West Coast-style offense like the Vikings'.

The Falcons have insisted on getting a first-round pick for Schaub. The Vikings have been unwilling to part with their first-round selection, No. 17 overall, to get him.

LINK

I think this is smart - you can get Schaub next year even if the Falcons tender him as a 1st round pick it (hopefully) won't be as early as the 17th pick. I'd rather take Ernie Sims with that pick this year (even if we have to move up 5 or so spots) and roll with Johnson this year.

 

[FunkyPlutos]

I have changed a bit...at first I thought giving up a first for Schaub might be worth it, but since have changed my tune. I think they should look at Omar Jacobs in the 2nd (or 3rd) round. I was on the Croyle bandwagon but his two ACL injuries scare me a bit. It should be interesting - can't wait!!

 

[shamrock84]

From vikingupdate.com:



The Vikings and Falcons aren't currently talking about Matt Schaub, but word out of Atlanta is that the Falcons may be more interested in shopping Schaub than first indicated.

LINK

 

[Donnybrook]

From vikingupdate.com:



The Vikings and Falcons aren't currently talking about Matt Schaub, but word out of Atlanta is that the Falcons may be more interested in shopping Schaub than first indicated.

LINK

Interesting... from the link above

Word out of Atlanta is that the Falcons' front office is spending an inordinate amount of time with Georgia QB D.J. Shockley. The question being posed by Falcons beat writers -- and rightfully so -- is why would a team with no first-round pick and a seeming unwillingness to trade Schaub spend so much time talking to a mid-round QB in the draft.

The reports say that the meeting with Shockley is the fourth such visit, which shows more than just marginal interest.

If Cutler gets drafted before the Viking pick, maybe we will see a draft day trade.

 

[BlueOnion]

From vikingupdate.com:



The Vikings and Falcons aren't currently talking about Matt Schaub, but word out of Atlanta is that the Falcons may be more interested in shopping Schaub than first indicated.

LINK

Interesting... from the link above

Word out of Atlanta is that the Falcons' front office is spending an inordinate amount of time with Georgia QB D.J. Shockley. The question being posed by Falcons beat writers -- and rightfully so -- is why would a team with no first-round pick and a seeming unwillingness to trade Schaub spend so much time talking to a mid-round QB in the draft.

The reports say that the meeting with Shockley is the fourth such visit, which shows more than just marginal interest.

If Cutler gets drafted before the Viking pick, maybe we will see a draft day trade.

I saw this article as well and it really made me think. I wonder if the Vikings could get Schaub for a 2nd round pick.

 

[Big Score]

This is what is being said about the Schaub trade rumors in Atlanta.

Schaub trade rumors persist

By D. Orlando Ledbetter |

Tuesday, April 4, 2006, 12:42 PM

The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

Those Matt Schaub trade rumors just won’t go away.

Coach Jim Mora didn’t help matters at the owners meeting when he said “It doesn’t have to be over yet. It would have to be a great offer for us to trade Matt Schaub.”

Well, the Minnesota Vikings have called. They let Daunte Culpepper go for a bag of chips, a brat and a second round pick. Now, they’ve figured out, “Hmmmmm, we need a quarterback.”

The Vikes do have the 17th pick in the draft, that second rounder they got for Culpepper and a third rounder. Is that enough for Rich McKay to pull the trigger? Keep in mind that the  Falcons could get a 1st and 3rd in 2007 if they give Schaub the highest restricted free agent tender. 

 

[BlueOnion]

Keep in mind that the  Falcons could get a 1st and 3rd in 2007 if they give Schaub the highest restricted free agent tender. 

A little nit-picky, but if the Falcons give Schaub the highest restricted free agent tender, it does not mean they get a 1st and a 3rd. It would only apply if a team thinks Schaub is worth it.Currently the asking price is just one 1st round pick...and Schaub is still a Falcon.

 

[T Man]

If the Vikings see Schaub as the QB of the future, then they could do something similar to what the Falcons did in the Abraham trade. The Vikings offered a 2nd rounder for Schaub and the Falcons want a 1st rounder.

If your the Vikings, find a willing partner and trade out of the #17 spot for something late in the 1st round and pick up some picks. Atlanta gets their 1st rounder back and the Vikings get Schaub plus picks.

A possible partner playing the role of Denver - NYJ. The Jets could move up from 29 and part with one of their 3rd rounders plus one of their fourths? They could get a bigger impact player at 17 and still would have picks in the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th and 7th.

I know there are few 3 team trades, but Denver, Atlanta and NYJ have shown that it can be beneficial. Heck Atlanta would haved parted with a higher pick but dropped down and added picks plus Abraham. Denver got value. And New York got the 1st rounder it wanted.

The only drawback is that the Jets may want to see if one of their targeted players is still on the board at 17 OR the Vikings prefer Cutler and want to see if he drops.

 

[PennState-JD]

If the Vikings see Schaub as the QB of the future, then they could do something similar to what the Falcons did in the Abraham trade. The Vikings offered a 2nd rounder for Schaub and the Falcons want a 1st rounder.

If your the Vikings, find a willing partner and trade out of the #17 spot for something late in the 1st round and pick up some picks. Atlanta gets their 1st rounder back and the Vikings get Schaub plus picks.

A possible partner playing the role of Denver - NYJ. The Jets could move up from 29 and part with one of their 3rd rounders plus one of their fourths? They could get a bigger impact player at 17 and still would have picks in the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th and 7th.

I know there are few 3 team trades, but Denver, Atlanta and NYJ have shown that it can be beneficial. Heck Atlanta would haved parted with a higher pick but dropped down and added picks plus Abraham. Denver got value. And New York got the 1st rounder it wanted.

The only drawback is that the Jets may want to see if one of their targeted players is still on the board at 17 OR the Vikings prefer Cutler and want to see if he drops.

The Falcons reportedly turned down the Jets attempt to trade Schaub straight up for Abraham. They also refused to deal the #15 pick, hence the trade down with Denver to get #29.If they perceived Schaub's value as greater than the #15 pick, why would they settle for a lower pick in the 1st round? It doesn't make sense. They would have been better off to deal Schaub for Abraham straight up and still have the #15 pick.

If a deal is going to get done, it is going to require either a high 1st round pick or some combo of a mid 1st plus an additional pick (3rd to 5th round would be my guess).

 

[cstu]

If the Vikings see Schaub as the QB of the future, then they could do something similar to what the Falcons did in the Abraham trade. The Vikings offered a 2nd rounder for Schaub and the Falcons want a 1st rounder.

If your the Vikings, find a willing partner and trade out of the #17 spot for something late in the 1st round and pick up some picks. Atlanta gets their 1st rounder back and the Vikings get Schaub plus picks.

A possible partner playing the role of Denver - NYJ. The Jets could move up from 29 and part with one of their 3rd rounders plus one of their fourths? They could get a bigger impact player at 17 and still would have picks in the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th and 7th.

I know there are few 3 team trades, but Denver, Atlanta and NYJ have shown that it can be beneficial. Heck Atlanta would haved parted with a higher pick but dropped down and added picks plus Abraham. Denver got value. And New York got the 1st rounder it wanted.

The only drawback is that the Jets may want to see if one of their targeted players is still on the board at 17 OR the Vikings prefer Cutler and want to see if he drops.

The Falcons reportedly turned down the Jets attempt to trade Schaub straight up for Abraham. They also refused to deal the #15 pick, hence the trade down with Denver to get #29.If they perceived Schaub's value as greater than the #15 pick, why would they settle for a lower pick in the 1st round? It doesn't make sense. They would have been better off to deal Schaub for Abraham straight up and still have the #15 pick.

If a deal is going to get done, it is going to require either a high 1st round pick or some combo of a mid 1st plus an additional pick (3rd to 5th round would be my guess).

I agree. Have to look at it from the Falcons point of view - they can at least keep him through 2007 as a restricted free agent. They will almost definitely give him a 1st round tender so worst case scenario would be they get a 1st round pick for him next year. I think they realize that that will happen and will only trade him if they get a great offer (late 1st + middle pick or a high 1st). They don't need to trade him since he should net them a 1st next year, but they need to get an offer to make it worth trading a quality backup to their often injured QB.

 

[cstu]

Keep in mind that the Falcons could get a 1st and 3rd in 2007 if they give Schaub the highest restricted free agent tender.

A little nit-picky, but if the Falcons give Schaub the highest restricted free agent tender, it does not mean they get a 1st and a 3rd. It would only apply if a team thinks Schaub is worth it.Currently the asking price is just one 1st round pick...and Schaub is still a Falcon.

The Vikings are in the driver's seat with this and know they are the only ones really interested in Schaub to the point of giving up their first. If one of the top 3 QB's doesn't drop to them, then I expect the Vikings to trade the #17 for Schaub.

 

[Hov34]

Keep in mind that the  Falcons could get a 1st and 3rd in 2007 if they give Schaub the highest restricted free agent tender. 

A little nit-picky, but if the Falcons give Schaub the highest restricted free agent tender, it does not mean they get a 1st and a 3rd. It would only apply if a team thinks Schaub is worth it.Currently the asking price is just one 1st round pick...and Schaub is still a Falcon.

The Vikings are in the driver's seat with this and know they are the only ones really interested in Schaub to the point of giving up their first. If one of the top 3 QB's doesn't drop to them, then I expect the Vikings to trade the #17 for Schaub.

Why? Keep the #17 this year and get a linebacker and just get Schaub next year. They (hopefully) won't have to give up such a high 1st rounder - maybe a 25th or up for him next year. They can limp by with Johnson this year - a Linebacker at 17 would help more than a backup/future QB this year.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Why? Keep the #17 this year and get a linebacker and just get Schaub next year. They (hopefully) won't have to give up such a high 1st rounder - maybe a 25th or up for him next year.

They can limp by with Johnson this year - a Linebacker at 17 would help more than a backup/future QB this year.

I would prefer this angle as well.

 

[Big Score]

Keep in mind that the  Falcons could get a 1st and 3rd in 2007 if they give Schaub the highest restricted free agent tender. 

A little nit-picky, but if the Falcons give Schaub the highest restricted free agent tender, it does not mean they get a 1st and a 3rd. It would only apply if a team thinks Schaub is worth it.Currently the asking price is just one 1st round pick...and Schaub is still a Falcon.

The Vikings are in the driver's seat with this and know they are the only ones really interested in Schaub to the point of giving up their first. If one of the top 3 QB's doesn't drop to them, then I expect the Vikings to trade the #17 for Schaub.

Why? Keep the #17 this year and get a linebacker and just get Schaub next year. They (hopefully) won't have to give up such a high 1st rounder - maybe a 25th or up for him next year. They can limp by with Johnson this year - a Linebacker at 17 would help more than a backup/future QB this year.

Of course, the secnario of the Vikes only giving a 25th or up next year, only works if two things happen.#1 The Vikes have a good season to where they draft at or around the 25th spot.

&

#2 The Vikes are the only ones interested in Schaub next year.

 

[wannabee]

Keep in mind that the  Falcons could get a 1st and 3rd in 2007 if they give Schaub the highest restricted free agent tender. 

A little nit-picky, but if the Falcons give Schaub the highest restricted free agent tender, it does not mean they get a 1st and a 3rd. It would only apply if a team thinks Schaub is worth it.Currently the asking price is just one 1st round pick...and Schaub is still a Falcon.

The Vikings are in the driver's seat with this and know they are the only ones really interested in Schaub to the point of giving up their first. If one of the top 3 QB's doesn't drop to them, then I expect the Vikings to trade the #17 for Schaub.

Why? Keep the #17 this year and get a linebacker and just get Schaub next year. They (hopefully) won't have to give up such a high 1st rounder - maybe a 25th or up for him next year. They can limp by with Johnson this year - a Linebacker at 17 would help more than a backup/future QB this year.

Collins is available ..................

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Keep in mind that the  Falcons could get a 1st and 3rd in 2007 if they give Schaub the highest restricted free agent tender. 

A little nit-picky, but if the Falcons give Schaub the highest restricted free agent tender, it does not mean they get a 1st and a 3rd. It would only apply if a team thinks Schaub is worth it.Currently the asking price is just one 1st round pick...and Schaub is still a Falcon.

The Vikings are in the driver's seat with this and know they are the only ones really interested in Schaub to the point of giving up their first. If one of the top 3 QB's doesn't drop to them, then I expect the Vikings to trade the #17 for Schaub.

Why? Keep the #17 this year and get a linebacker and just get Schaub next year. They (hopefully) won't have to give up such a high 1st rounder - maybe a 25th or up for him next year. They can limp by with Johnson this year - a Linebacker at 17 would help more than a backup/future QB this year.

Collins is available ..................

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[cstu]

Keep in mind that the Falcons could get a 1st and 3rd in 2007 if they give Schaub the highest restricted free agent tender.

A little nit-picky, but if the Falcons give Schaub the highest restricted free agent tender, it does not mean they get a 1st and a 3rd. It would only apply if a team thinks Schaub is worth it.Currently the asking price is just one 1st round pick...and Schaub is still a Falcon.

The Vikings are in the driver's seat with this and know they are the only ones really interested in Schaub to the point of giving up their first. If one of the top 3 QB's doesn't drop to them, then I expect the Vikings to trade the #17 for Schaub.

Why? Keep the #17 this year and get a linebacker and just get Schaub next year. They (hopefully) won't have to give up such a high 1st rounder - maybe a 25th or up for him next year. They can limp by with Johnson this year - a Linebacker at 17 would help more than a backup/future QB this year.

Of course, the secnario of the Vikes only giving a 25th or up next year, only works if two things happen.#1 The Vikes have a good season to where they draft at or around the 25th spot.

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#2 The Vikes are the only ones interested in Schaub next year.

I'm going to guess that there will be more interest in Schaub next year than there is right now. If his stock remains high, I can see a bad team trading up for the #32 pick to grab him before the Vikings get a chance at him.

 

[T Man]

Is it posssible that the Vikes trade next years #1 to get Schaub this year?

As long as they improve then its a good deal. THey get to keep their #1 (17 overall) and get Schaub.

 

[PennState-JD]

Keep in mind that the Falcons could get a 1st and 3rd in 2007 if they give Schaub the highest restricted free agent tender.

A little nit-picky, but if the Falcons give Schaub the highest restricted free agent tender, it does not mean they get a 1st and a 3rd. It would only apply if a team thinks Schaub is worth it.Currently the asking price is just one 1st round pick...and Schaub is still a Falcon.

The Vikings are in the driver's seat with this and know they are the only ones really interested in Schaub to the point of giving up their first. If one of the top 3 QB's doesn't drop to them, then I expect the Vikings to trade the #17 for Schaub.

Why? Keep the #17 this year and get a linebacker and just get Schaub next year. They (hopefully) won't have to give up such a high 1st rounder - maybe a 25th or up for him next year. They can limp by with Johnson this year - a Linebacker at 17 would help more than a backup/future QB this year.

ain't gonna happen. Falcons will definitely tender Schaub at the max next year meaning a 1st and 3rd will be the compensation should another team present an offer. Maybe the Falcons would negotiate a trade with a slightly lower asking price, but the trade value is still going to be significant.

 

[Traders2001]

What has Shaub Done to deserve that kind of attention .

He has nt played well when he replaced Vick last season .

What s the big deal about him , you can get Volek for a 4th or 3rd rounder cheaper and as good as Schaub.

Of course he looked better then Vick , but who doesnt ! Vick is nt a NFL QB he is a RB with a decent arm .

 

[jestertj]

If the Vikings see Schaub as the QB of the future, then they could do something similar to what the Falcons did in the Abraham trade.  The Vikings offered a 2nd rounder for Schaub and the Falcons want a 1st rounder. 

If your the Vikings, find a willing partner and trade out of the #17 spot for something late in the 1st round and pick up some picks.  Atlanta gets their 1st rounder back and the Vikings get Schaub plus picks. 

A possible partner playing the role of Denver -  NYJ.  The Jets could move up from 29 and part with one of their 3rd rounders  plus one of their fourths?  They could get a bigger impact player at 17 and still would have picks in the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th and 7th. 

I know there are few 3 team trades, but Denver, Atlanta and NYJ have shown that it can be beneficial.  Heck Atlanta would haved parted with a higher pick but dropped down and added picks plus Abraham.  Denver got value.  And New York got the 1st rounder it wanted. 

The only drawback is that the Jets may want to see if one of their targeted players is still on the board at 17 OR the Vikings prefer Cutler and want to see if he drops.

The Falcons reportedly turned down the Jets attempt to trade Schaub straight up for Abraham. They also refused to deal the #15 pick, hence the trade down with Denver to get #29.If they perceived Schaub's value as greater than the #15 pick, why would they settle for a lower pick in the 1st round? It doesn't make sense. They would have been better off to deal Schaub for Abraham straight up and still have the #15 pick.

If a deal is going to get done, it is going to require either a high 1st round pick or some combo of a mid 1st plus an additional pick (3rd to 5th round would be my guess).

I agree. Have to look at it from the Falcons point of view - they can at least keep him through 2007 as a restricted free agent. They will almost definitely give him a 1st round tender so worst case scenario would be they get a 1st round pick for him next year. I think they realize that that will happen and will only trade him if they get a great offer (late 1st + middle pick or a high 1st). They don't need to trade him since he should net them a 1st next year, but they need to get an offer to make it worth trading a quality backup to their often injured QB.

As has been stated, if they tender him correctly they will get a 1st and 3rd next season. Why trade him this season? What if he plays and gets hurt or plays and does poorly? Either one could greatly diminish his value.That being said, if I'm the Vikings I send the #17 to Atlanta for Schaub in a heartbeat. I'm that convinced this kid will be a starter for a long time and be successful.

 

[T Man]

TO think that the Falcons are assured of a 1 or a 1 and a 3 next year is assuming Schaub doesn't get hurt, looks good in his limited playing time, and the draft doesn't line up for the teams that need a QB (i.e., Cutler will likely not fall to the Vikings at #17).

I am sure the Titans and Redskins thought the same thing last year. The Jets came calling for a QB. IIRC the Titans and the Redskins both wanted a first round pick for Volek and Ramsey respectively but he Jets were only offering a 2nd rounder. I am sure they thought they could get the same or better at the end of the year if they wanted to trade them.

BUT Ramsey was traded to the Jets for a 6th rounder and Volek is not even considered to be worth a 2nd or 3rd anymore.

The Eagles played it right when the traded Feeley (who was considered up and coming because of his limited exposure). Trade when the backup QB is hot.

A year can change everything.

The very best they can do is a 1 and 3 next year if they tender him at the highest level. That is the equivalent of a 2 and 4 this year according to trade charts. So take the sure thing and a 1 this year. No need to wait.

 

[ArcticEdge]

Here is what I think has happened. During the first phase of attempted trades, the Atlanta org firmly stated that they would not trade Schaub. For 2-3 weeks Schaub was the buzz nation wide. Vick went to Mora and complained that the backup QB should not be getting more attention the "track star". Mora has since changed his tune and they are now entertaining offers. They will regret the day Schaub comes to play them in a different uniform. Vick is an anchor for that organization.

Of course that may not be true, but I wouldn't doubt it.

If I was a GM, I'd take Schaub over Vick everyday of the week and all 4 quarters on Sunday....

Then you'd be a fool. Maybe the Lions will hire you. I admit I believe Schaub has potential (looking at his stats made me think so) but to say he's a better pick than Vick? Even ignoring the fact the NFL is a business and Vick is a cash cow, he's also a quality qb. Best in the league? No, not at all. But he's much closer to the top than the bottom and he should get better. Heck, he's done something even Manning has failed to do.Anybody have Michael Vick's record?

Anybody have his passing stats? When his legs go, his career goes...