Kip Dynamite
Footballguy
I know that he doesn't like how he is being used but come on no tackles!
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Kip Dynamite
Footballguy
This really points to one of the toughest aspects of IDP - scheme. Average talent become IDP gods, top end talent disappears in wrong scheme.
I've had Ed Reed on a roster the last few years. When I drafted him he was the #1 DB. Now? I can barely start the guy. Because he 's average? No, because of Buddy Jr and the 46. I've tried to trade him without success. Watch, Ryan gets a HC job, the new guy runs a conventional front, and Reed is useful again. Or not.
And as much as we follow schemes and get the right players, every year something happens to take a top IDPer off the chart. Vilma, man-o-man. At the start of the season you couldn't pry this guy away from the owner without a top end WR or RB. Now I'd have a hard time giving up Reed for him.
Uhg...Just tell me who the best FBG forecaster is for this stuff, and I will send him an annual tribute...
I've had Ed Reed on a roster the last few years. When I drafted him he was the #1 DB. Now? I can barely start the guy. Because he 's average? No, because of Buddy Jr and the 46. I've tried to trade him without success. Watch, Ryan gets a HC job, the new guy runs a conventional front, and Reed is useful again. Or not.
And as much as we follow schemes and get the right players, every year something happens to take a top IDPer off the chart. Vilma, man-o-man. At the start of the season you couldn't pry this guy away from the owner without a top end WR or RB. Now I'd have a hard time giving up Reed for him.
Uhg...Just tell me who the best FBG forecaster is for this stuff, and I will send him an annual tribute...
Sweetness_34
Footballguy
Another person who could very well lose thanks to Vilma doing nothing out there.....I cannot believe what just happened. How can any LB with his speed not be involved in more than 1 tackle is beyond me....against a team that kept running the ball 
cracKer
Shawn Culcasi
Seriously though, if you gave up say Jason Taylor and Donnie Edwards before the season started for this log you'd have thought you were getting a great deal.
Jene Bramel
Footballguy
There were plenty who had tempered expectations on this board (including some staffers) for Vilma as early as April. Personally, I didn't feel there was any way that Vilma would approach the solo tackle stats he had in 2005 but he was so far ahead of the pack (20 more solos than anyone other than Donnie Edwards) that I thought he'd still finish among the top backers in the league.
What we didn't know until Week 2 was that Vilma wouldn't be used in the more productive LILB (strong side) position in the 3-4 scheme. Even the most detailed posts on the Jet message board discussing the scheme change didn't mention that. And with the well documented useless depth chart the team website has continued to put out, it's still not clearly evident who plays where unless you watch a game.
It'd be nice if the Jets had a NT to keep blockers off Vilma -- but that's not really been the problem. Vilma is the D'Qwell Jackson to Andra Davis, the 2006 Tedy Bruschi to Junior Seau in the same scheme. Davis and Seau (and Bruschi in prior years) have finished in the upper ranks of LB tacklers. In hindsight, maybe it makes sense to put the smaller, quicker backer on the weak side of the formation. In the pre-season, it made more sense to most that the Jets would put their stud tackler in the best position to make tackles.
Still, I wouldn't give up on Vilma just yet. Who knows what changes the offseason will bring.
What we didn't know until Week 2 was that Vilma wouldn't be used in the more productive LILB (strong side) position in the 3-4 scheme. Even the most detailed posts on the Jet message board discussing the scheme change didn't mention that. And with the well documented useless depth chart the team website has continued to put out, it's still not clearly evident who plays where unless you watch a game.
It'd be nice if the Jets had a NT to keep blockers off Vilma -- but that's not really been the problem. Vilma is the D'Qwell Jackson to Andra Davis, the 2006 Tedy Bruschi to Junior Seau in the same scheme. Davis and Seau (and Bruschi in prior years) have finished in the upper ranks of LB tacklers. In hindsight, maybe it makes sense to put the smaller, quicker backer on the weak side of the formation. In the pre-season, it made more sense to most that the Jets would put their stud tackler in the best position to make tackles.
Still, I wouldn't give up on Vilma just yet. Who knows what changes the offseason will bring.
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Rovers
Footballguy
I was one of those that said Vilma was a good sell high candidate last summer. I certainly admit to not being any sort of expert, and didn't realise there could be such a big difference between which ILB spot an LB plays in the 3-4.... or I would have reported on that during training camp. I learn something new all the time, this being my second year in IDP leagues.
One thing I did understand was how the Jets 2004 D scheme funneled tackles to the MLB, and the switch to the 3-4 would put a big hurt on Vilma's numbers. I think that would hold up regardless of which ILB spot he was playing. If Vilma is unhappy, he hasn't said so. He has said he's still learning and adjusting to the new scheme though.
Mangini's system is truely scheme based, and even if Vilma doesn't put up good numbers, from Mangini's perspective, that doesn't mean he had a bad game. If he kept his assignments, that's all he wants from his D players. Every week the designated "blitzers" change on this defense. Makes for projecting almost all Jets D players difficult to do on a consistant basis week in and week out.
One thing I did understand was how the Jets 2004 D scheme funneled tackles to the MLB, and the switch to the 3-4 would put a big hurt on Vilma's numbers. I think that would hold up regardless of which ILB spot he was playing. If Vilma is unhappy, he hasn't said so. He has said he's still learning and adjusting to the new scheme though.
Mangini's system is truely scheme based, and even if Vilma doesn't put up good numbers, from Mangini's perspective, that doesn't mean he had a bad game. If he kept his assignments, that's all he wants from his D players. Every week the designated "blitzers" change on this defense. Makes for projecting almost all Jets D players difficult to do on a consistant basis week in and week out.
Jene Bramel
Footballguy
I doubt Vilma will be going anywhere. The Jet coaching staff and front office loves him and he's signed through 2008. There have been multiple reports over the past month suggesting that he's got a better understanding of his responsibilities and has taken ownership of the "coach on the field" role Mangini wants out of him.
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houndirish
Footballguy
Rovers is being modest. He was all over Vilma's poor season, before it happened! He took a lot of heat in August for suggesting Vilma wouldn't be close to the same impact. As a Vilma owner I recall reading his theory and worrying about my investment. The shame is I could've moved him for top offensive talent but couldn't bring myself to do so. I'll pay attention next time Rovers, I promise!
Big Log
Footballguy
I remember thinking the same thing while reading Rovers posts. I thought geesh this makes sense but Vilma was the best so I better hold onto him. This is what I love about FBG though the information is there from various posters it's just a matter of reading through it.
