Waiver Locks (1 Viewer)

[GoBears84]

We use Yahoo style waivers on MFL. Waivers process 3AM Thursday, and dropped players are locked for 1 day to give everybody a chance to put in waivers for them.

How do you want to handle players dropped from teams that play Thursday night?

Theoretically, if I drop a player on the Bears Thursday morning, he can't be picked up until Friday. But after Thursday, he's locked because his team has played.

Our plan is to have league mates email me by 3:00 and I can process them based on waiver order... should only be a few players per week.

Any other ideas? I'm not moving waivers up to Wednesday morning - not enough time to get info.

 

[GregR]

We use Yahoo style waivers on MFL. Waivers process 3AM Thursday, and dropped players are locked for 1 day to give everybody a chance to put in waivers for them.How do you want to handle players dropped from teams that play Thursday night?Theoretically, if I drop a player on the Bears Thursday morning, he can't be picked up until Friday. But after Thursday, he's locked because his team has played. Our plan is to have league mates email me by 3:00 and I can process them based on waiver order... should only be a few players per week.Any other ideas? I'm not moving waivers up to Wednesday morning - not enough time to get info.

I'm a bit confused about what it is you want the result to be, so not sure how to answer. Basically your choices are these: * Allow FCFS of any player regardless of when his game is. Players under your 24-hour lock rule would still be locked. * Allow FCFS only for those players whose game has not started. Players under your 24 hours lock rule would still be locked. * Have a queued up waiver window that any unlocked player can be selected in, including players whose games have started. Players under your 24 hours lock rule would still be locked.So if you want players from Thursday night to be available via queued up waivers, then just define a waiver window that starts, say, Thursday 9pm and ends Friday evening or Saturday morning or whenever you want. Players who played Thursday night would be eligible to be taken, as would players who didn't play, so long as they weren't just dropped and so are in their 1-day lock period. Then you can do FCFS through Monday night football.

 

[GoBears84]

We use Yahoo style waivers on MFL. Waivers process 3AM Thursday, and dropped players are locked for 1 day to give everybody a chance to put in waivers for them.How do you want to handle players dropped from teams that play Thursday night?Theoretically, if I drop a player on the Bears Thursday morning, he can't be picked up until Friday. But after Thursday, he's locked because his team has played. Our plan is to have league mates email me by 3:00 and I can process them based on waiver order... should only be a few players per week.Any other ideas? I'm not moving waivers up to Wednesday morning - not enough time to get info.

I'm a bit confused about what it is you want the result to be, so not sure how to answer. Basically your choices are these: * Allow FCFS of any player regardless of when his game is. Players under your 24-hour lock rule would still be locked. * Allow FCFS only for those players whose game has not started. Players under your 24 hours lock rule would still be locked. * Have a queued up waiver window that any unlocked player can be selected in, including players whose games have started. Players under your 24 hours lock rule would still be locked.So if you want players from Thursday night to be available via queued up waivers, then just define a waiver window that starts, say, Thursday 9pm and ends Friday evening or Saturday morning or whenever you want. Players who played Thursday night would be eligible to be taken, as would players who didn't play, so long as they weren't just dropped and so are in their 1-day lock period. Then you can do FCFS through Monday night football.

I want players dropped Thursday morning, to be available to league owners to pick up and potentially start if they play on Thursday night. I don't want it FCFS, I do want it to be fair.Since we have Thursday night games all season, I can't just say Thursday night players aren't available if they've been dropped that week. I'm wondering how other leagues with Thursday morning, Yahoo style waivers are handling it.

 

[GregR]

How do you want players who are dropped Friday to be handled?

 

[GoBears84]

How do you want players who are dropped Friday to be handled?

FCFS

 

[shadyridr]

move the waiver deadline to wednesday

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I tried to contact MFL about this, there is a screen where it looks like you can lock the players but the reality is it doesn't. I compete in a bunch of best ball leagues and MFL is allowing folks to pick players up on a Sat WW for example and those points automatically get mixed into the scores...

I just simply told all my leagues to not even try to grab players from Thursday Night games when we run our 2nd WW on the weekends. I'm lucky that I have good owners. I understand the honor system might not work everywhere.

 

[GoBears84]

move the waiver deadline to wednesday

Any other ideas? I'm not moving waivers up to Wednesday morning - not enough time to get info.

 

[VA703]

move the waiver deadline to wednesday

it allows tuesday for everyone to do their homework.. having it tuesday morning isnt fair for those that cant stay up and watch all the monday night games

 

[Billy Bats]

We use Yahoo style waivers on MFL. Waivers process 3AM Thursday, and dropped players are locked for 1 day to give everybody a chance to put in waivers for them.

How do you want to handle players dropped from teams that play Thursday night?

Theoretically, if I drop a player on the Bears Thursday morning, he can't be picked up until Friday. But after Thursday, he's locked because his team has played.

Our plan is to have league mates email me by 3:00 and I can process them based on waiver order... should only be a few players per week.

Any other ideas? I'm not moving waivers up to Wednesday morning - not enough time to get info.

We're having similar issues with FA pickups. Be careful of the bolded. If I understand what you're planning, then you have to adjust the waiver order for Thursday 3am. Because if one team picks up a player on Thursday, then he'll have an opportunity to pickup a second player at 3am Thursday before another team selects their first of the week. We normally do pickups on Friday night based on inverted order of standings. No free for all. What we're doing is letting people notify me by 7pm Thursday if they want a Thursday game player only. I will manually add them to their roster, change the waiver order in the system, and then let the website do the pickups automatically on Friday night.

These Thursday night games are screwing everything up.

Interested to hear other solutions, other than running them on Wednesday, as we feel it's too early in the week as well.

eta: we're on NFL.com

 

[GoBears84]

We use Yahoo style waivers on MFL. Waivers process 3AM Thursday, and dropped players are locked for 1 day to give everybody a chance to put in waivers for them.

How do you want to handle players dropped from teams that play Thursday night?

Theoretically, if I drop a player on the Bears Thursday morning, he can't be picked up until Friday. But after Thursday, he's locked because his team has played.

Our plan is to have league mates email me by 3:00PM Thursday and I can process them based on waiver order... should only be a few players per week.

Any other ideas? I'm not moving waivers up to Wednesday morning - not enough time to get info.

We're having similar issues with FA pickups. Be careful of the bolded. If I understand what you're planning, then you have to adjust the waiver order for Thursday 3am. Because if one team picks up a player on Thursday, then he'll have an opportunity to pickup a second player at 3am Thursday before another team selects their first of the week. We normally do pickups on Friday night based on inverted order of standings. No free for all. What we're doing is letting people notify me by 7pm Thursday if they want a Thursday game player only. I will manually add them to their roster, change the waiver order in the system, and then let the website do the pickups automatically on Friday night.

These Thursday night games are screwing everything up.

Interested to hear other solutions, other than running them on Wednesday, as we feel it's too early in the week as well.

eta: we're on NFL.com

Agreed - see clarification above.

 

[Billy Bats]

Agreed - see clarification above.

I think I gotcha, so you're only running waivers once per week, at 3pm Thursday? And doing it manually?

 

[belljr]

Is there not a setting to have dropped players not go on waivers?

We do the same process but can turn off they have to clear waivers but that's not yahoo.

So basically waivers get run Wednesday night and then anyone can be picked up Thursday....

 

[bonscott]

I think your problem is trying to run the Yahoo style waivers. The most popular way to run waivers is what was alluded to above, Wednesday evening now that we have Thursday games. So you run Waivers on Wednesday evening (which gives owners 2-3 full days, plenty of time), then FCFS from there thru to Sunday (or whenever you want to end it). This forces all free agents thru waivers and gives all teams a shot at them, gives teams 24 hours to adjust their lineups as needed for the Thursday game and then FCFS rest of the week. Any dropped players are locked *until the following week* forcing them thru waivers which would run on Wednesday, which again allows all teams a shot at dropped players. Nice and simple. This thing of trying to run 24 hour waivers on every dropped player is just plain crazy in my mind. Doesn't mean it's wrong but why overly complicate it? Unless you run a really shallow league, if a player sucked enough to get dropped, why would another team be clamoring for that player the next day?

Again, keep it simple and fair, that's my motto.

 

[Billy Bats]

I think your problem is trying to run the Yahoo style waivers. The most popular way to run waivers is what was alluded to above, Wednesday evening now that we have Thursday games. So you run Waivers on Wednesday evening (which gives owners 2-3 full days, plenty of time), then FCFS from there thru to Sunday (or whenever you want to end it). This forces all free agents thru waivers and gives all teams a shot at them, gives teams 24 hours to adjust their lineups as needed for the Thursday game and then FCFS rest of the week. Any dropped players are locked *until the following week* forcing them thru waivers which would run on Wednesday, which again allows all teams a shot at dropped players. Nice and simple. This thing of trying to run 24 hour waivers on every dropped player is just plain crazy in my mind. Doesn't mean it's wrong but why overly complicate it? Unless you run a really shallow league, if a player sucked enough to get dropped, why would another team be clamoring for that player the next day?Again, keep it simple and fair, that's my motto.

Agreed, I don't know why some of our owners have an issue doing it this way. The quality FA's will be subject to being picked up according to the standings... then if an emergency happens by Sunday morning they still have an option to pick someone up, without us doing anything manually. It's with some people. That's the biggest problem.

 

[bonscott]

I think your problem is trying to run the Yahoo style waivers. The most popular way to run waivers is what was alluded to above, Wednesday evening now that we have Thursday games. So you run Waivers on Wednesday evening (which gives owners 2-3 full days, plenty of time), then FCFS from there thru to Sunday (or whenever you want to end it). This forces all free agents thru waivers and gives all teams a shot at them, gives teams 24 hours to adjust their lineups as needed for the Thursday game and then FCFS rest of the week. Any dropped players are locked *until the following week* forcing them thru waivers which would run on Wednesday, which again allows all teams a shot at dropped players. Nice and simple. This thing of trying to run 24 hour waivers on every dropped player is just plain crazy in my mind. Doesn't mean it's wrong but why overly complicate it? Unless you run a really shallow league, if a player sucked enough to get dropped, why would another team be clamoring for that player the next day?Again, keep it simple and fair, that's my motto.

Agreed, I don't know why some of our owners have an issue doing it this way. The quality FA's will be subject to being picked up according to the standings... then if an emergency happens by Sunday morning they still have an option to pick someone up, without us doing anything manually. It's with some people. That's the biggest problem.

EXACTLY. The once a week waivers (or even twice a week if you want, whatever) allows everyone to "restock" with the hot free agents. Then FCFS allows for emergency fillins late week or if you didn't get anyone in waivers but really need a guy. Anyone dropped in waivers for the most part should be worthless and if you really want them put in a waiver claim the following week.Heck, even my dynasty league locks players until the following week. Why complicate it?

 

[GregR]

Is there not a setting to have dropped players not go on waivers?We do the same process but can turn off they have to clear waivers but that's not yahoo.So basically waivers get run Wednesday night and then anyone can be picked up Thursday....

There are multiple settings. You can have it so dropped players are locked for a certain length of time after being dropped, are locked until a certain day and time, or until waivers next run.You can also lock players whose games have started from being taken in FCFS. What is missing is that you can't lock a player whose game has started from being taken in a queued up or blind bidding waiver session.

 

[da_budman]

I think your problem is trying to run the Yahoo style waivers. The most popular way to run waivers is what was alluded to above, Wednesday evening now that we have Thursday games. So you run Waivers on Wednesday evening (which gives owners 2-3 full days, plenty of time), then FCFS from there thru to Sunday (or whenever you want to end it). This forces all free agents thru waivers and gives all teams a shot at them, gives teams 24 hours to adjust their lineups as needed for the Thursday game and then FCFS rest of the week. Any dropped players are locked *until the following week* forcing them thru waivers which would run on Wednesday, which again allows all teams a shot at dropped players. Nice and simple. This thing of trying to run 24 hour waivers on every dropped player is just plain crazy in my mind. Doesn't mean it's wrong but why overly complicate it? Unless you run a really shallow league, if a player sucked enough to get dropped, why would another team be clamoring for that player the next day?Again, keep it simple and fair, that's my motto.

Agreed, I don't know why some of our owners have an issue doing it this way. The quality FA's will be subject to being picked up according to the standings... then if an emergency happens by Sunday morning they still have an option to pick someone up, without us doing anything manually. It's with some people. That's the biggest problem.

EXACTLY. The once a week waivers (or even twice a week if you want, whatever) allows everyone to "restock" with the hot free agents. Then FCFS allows for emergency fillins late week or if you didn't get anyone in waivers but really need a guy. Anyone dropped in waivers for the most part should be worthless and if you really want them put in a waiver claim the following week.Heck, even my dynasty league locks players until the following week. Why complicate it?

I agree the SIMPLEST thing to do is lock all players untill they have gone through waivers one. Why should anybody be able to pick up players FCFS ater their game is played just because the game happens to be played on Thursday rather than Sunday? For consistency sake they should be locked till the waiver wire runs and Im assuming there is a setting for this (There is at rtsports anyway) Also Im not a big fan of a 1 day wait. then fcfs. There is STILL room for shenanigans even in that situation. My mian league locks everybody who has been dropped till the following waiver wire....no exceptions.

 

[bagger]

we have waivers processed on tuesday night, with fcfs after that until kickoff on thursday.

after that it is locked.

 

[Reepicheep]

This has probably been discussed elsewhere but I'm really not a fan of Thursday night games. 3 Days from end of week to start is a pain. It wasn't as big of a deal when it was only half the season and mostly crappy teams, but now we've got games every week, and a number of them with significant fantasy relevance. Ugh.

 

[Ace28]

We do it first come first serve 2 hours before kickoff. I just ask the owners to post a message on the message board and I just put it through manually. This way at the very least the guys whom were dropped Tuesday everyone has a fair play at picking them up through a waiver claim on Wednesday. If 2 guys put in for the same guy at the same time, I give it to the guy with waiver priority(though I've never had too do this).

 

[montana_grizzly_bears]

Transactions are locked from Thursday at midnight (we all live EDT) until 1 am Friday morning. Than they reopen for players that have not played on Thursday. So tomorrow Green bay and Chicago players may not be added, dropped, or traded until Tuesday morning at 1am. We added that rule at this years draft because of every week having a Thursday night game.

 

[GoBears84]

I think your problem is trying to run the Yahoo style waivers. The most popular way to run waivers is what was alluded to above, Wednesday evening now that we have Thursday games. So you run Waivers on Wednesday evening (which gives owners 2-3 full days, plenty of time), then FCFS from there thru to Sunday (or whenever you want to end it). This forces all free agents thru waivers and gives all teams a shot at them, gives teams 24 hours to adjust their lineups as needed for the Thursday game and then FCFS rest of the week. Any dropped players are locked *until the following week* forcing them thru waivers which would run on Wednesday, which again allows all teams a shot at dropped players. Nice and simple. This thing of trying to run 24 hour waivers on every dropped player is just plain crazy in my mind. Doesn't mean it's wrong but why overly complicate it? Unless you run a really shallow league, if a player sucked enough to get dropped, why would another team be clamoring for that player the next day?Again, keep it simple and fair, that's my motto.

Agreed, I don't know why some of our owners have an issue doing it this way. The quality FA's will be subject to being picked up according to the standings... then if an emergency happens by Sunday morning they still have an option to pick someone up, without us doing anything manually. It's with some people. That's the biggest problem.

EXACTLY. The once a week waivers (or even twice a week if you want, whatever) allows everyone to "restock" with the hot free agents. Then FCFS allows for emergency fillins late week or if you didn't get anyone in waivers but really need a guy. Anyone dropped in waivers for the most part should be worthless and if you really want them put in a waiver claim the following week.Heck, even my dynasty league locks players until the following week. Why complicate it?

We have a shallow benches - 14 players, 9 start. Typically during BYE weeks players are added and dropped and one mans trash is another mans treasure. For example, I dropped V. Davis last year to pick up Gronkowski before he went off. More than once I've picked up a player/DEF dropped by a team and used that same player to beat the same owner. The other issue is that we are all over the US - why should the guy in California get an advantage over the guy in PA because he happens to be up later?But the purpose of this thread is not to debate how we are doing waivers. We've been doing it this way for >10 years and I'm not going to change it. What I really want to know is how are others handling Thursday night games and players dropped Thursday morning that go into waivers..

 

[GregR]

I think your problem is trying to run the Yahoo style waivers. The most popular way to run waivers is what was alluded to above, Wednesday evening now that we have Thursday games. So you run Waivers on Wednesday evening (which gives owners 2-3 full days, plenty of time), then FCFS from there thru to Sunday (or whenever you want to end it). This forces all free agents thru waivers and gives all teams a shot at them, gives teams 24 hours to adjust their lineups as needed for the Thursday game and then FCFS rest of the week. Any dropped players are locked *until the following week* forcing them thru waivers which would run on Wednesday, which again allows all teams a shot at dropped players. Nice and simple. This thing of trying to run 24 hour waivers on every dropped player is just plain crazy in my mind. Doesn't mean it's wrong but why overly complicate it? Unless you run a really shallow league, if a player sucked enough to get dropped, why would another team be clamoring for that player the next day?Again, keep it simple and fair, that's my motto.

Agreed, I don't know why some of our owners have an issue doing it this way. The quality FA's will be subject to being picked up according to the standings... then if an emergency happens by Sunday morning they still have an option to pick someone up, without us doing anything manually. It's with some people. That's the biggest problem.

EXACTLY. The once a week waivers (or even twice a week if you want, whatever) allows everyone to "restock" with the hot free agents. Then FCFS allows for emergency fillins late week or if you didn't get anyone in waivers but really need a guy. Anyone dropped in waivers for the most part should be worthless and if you really want them put in a waiver claim the following week.Heck, even my dynasty league locks players until the following week. Why complicate it?

I agree the SIMPLEST thing to do is lock all players untill they have gone through waivers one. Why should anybody be able to pick up players FCFS ater their game is played just because the game happens to be played on Thursday rather than Sunday? For consistency sake they should be locked till the waiver wire runs and Im assuming there is a setting for this (There is at rtsports anyway) Also Im not a big fan of a 1 day wait. then fcfs. There is STILL room for shenanigans even in that situation. My mian league locks everybody who has been dropped till the following waiver wire....no exceptions.

You know this is one place I think MFL could stand an improvement. The current set of options are flexible, but not enough.Firstly... it doesn't make sense to me to have players unlock the next time waivers "process". The goal of locking players is that everyone has a chance to see the player is out there and submit a claim. Which means we would want players to unlock when queued up or blind bidding waivers "begin" so they are then available for that waiver window. Otherwise, let's say I have a Tuesday till Wednesday window, with FCFS right after. I could drop a player right before the waivers start, he can't be selected in them until they are done, and then I'm sitting at the computer ready to submit my FCFS claim the second they start up. The system should unlock him at the start of waivers, not at the end of them.And beyond that, the option to unlock all players needs to be a calendar item so you can have more than one. As an example, get around the above problem, I could define our players to unlock at the start of both our waiver windows. Except I can't do that, I can only specify a single day/time.It really becomes an issue in a salary cap league where a cut player's contract is voided and his new salary will be equal to his winning bid, or the minimum of FCFS. So we have to make sure no player can be taken in FCFS unless he goes through a blind bidding session. But then I have to specific a specific day of week and time that corresponds to our blind bidding starting, and I can only do one of those.

 

[steveski]

Is there not a setting to have dropped players not go on waivers?We do the same process but can turn off they have to clear waivers but that's not yahoo.So basically waivers get run Wednesday night and then anyone can be picked up Thursday....

The problem with being able to drop players and not having them go to waivers is that it doesn't give everyone a chance to see who was dropped. The person who has the time to check every 10 minutes or is lucky enough to just check at the right time gets a significant advantage over everyone else.

 

[glumpy]

I believe in our leagues once players play they can't be picked up until the next week. If they're on Thursday night then so be it--that's not much different than players dropped Sunday morning except for the numbers. You could up the waiver wire but as said there's that much less info to work with. Ours in my main league is Wed. pm but still too late for Thursday night games.

 

[Quibbler]

move the waiver deadline to wednesday

This. Isn't that the Yahoo default anyway?

 

[GoBears84]

I think your problem is trying to run the Yahoo style waivers. The most popular way to run waivers is what was alluded to above, Wednesday evening now that we have Thursday games. So you run Waivers on Wednesday evening (which gives owners 2-3 full days, plenty of time), then FCFS from there thru to Sunday (or whenever you want to end it). This forces all free agents thru waivers and gives all teams a shot at them, gives teams 24 hours to adjust their lineups as needed for the Thursday game and then FCFS rest of the week. Any dropped players are locked *until the following week* forcing them thru waivers which would run on Wednesday, which again allows all teams a shot at dropped players. Nice and simple. This thing of trying to run 24 hour waivers on every dropped player is just plain crazy in my mind. Doesn't mean it's wrong but why overly complicate it? Unless you run a really shallow league, if a player sucked enough to get dropped, why would another team be clamoring for that player the next day?Again, keep it simple and fair, that's my motto.

Agreed, I don't know why some of our owners have an issue doing it this way. The quality FA's will be subject to being picked up according to the standings... then if an emergency happens by Sunday morning they still have an option to pick someone up, without us doing anything manually. It's with some people. That's the biggest problem.

EXACTLY. The once a week waivers (or even twice a week if you want, whatever) allows everyone to "restock" with the hot free agents. Then FCFS allows for emergency fillins late week or if you didn't get anyone in waivers but really need a guy. Anyone dropped in waivers for the most part should be worthless and if you really want them put in a waiver claim the following week.Heck, even my dynasty league locks players until the following week. Why complicate it?

I agree the SIMPLEST thing to do is lock all players untill they have gone through waivers one. Why should anybody be able to pick up players FCFS ater their game is played just because the game happens to be played on Thursday rather than Sunday? For consistency sake they should be locked till the waiver wire runs and Im assuming there is a setting for this (There is at rtsports anyway) Also Im not a big fan of a 1 day wait. then fcfs. There is STILL room for shenanigans even in that situation. My mian league locks everybody who has been dropped till the following waiver wire....no exceptions.

You know this is one place I think MFL could stand an improvement. The current set of options are flexible, but not enough.Firstly... it doesn't make sense to me to have players unlock the next time waivers "process". The goal of locking players is that everyone has a chance to see the player is out there and submit a claim. Which means we would want players to unlock when queued up or blind bidding waivers "begin" so they are then available for that waiver window. Otherwise, let's say I have a Tuesday till Wednesday window, with FCFS right after. I could drop a player right before the waivers start, he can't be selected in them until they are done, and then I'm sitting at the computer ready to submit my FCFS claim the second they start up. The system should unlock him at the start of waivers, not at the end of them.And beyond that, the option to unlock all players needs to be a calendar item so you can have more than one. As an example, get around the above problem, I could define our players to unlock at the start of both our waiver windows. Except I can't do that, I can only specify a single day/time.It really becomes an issue in a salary cap league where a cut player's contract is voided and his new salary will be equal to his winning bid, or the minimum of FCFS. So we have to make sure no player can be taken in FCFS unless he goes through a blind bidding session. But then I have to specific a specific day of week and time that corresponds to our blind bidding starting, and I can only do one of those.

Waivers was the only area where FanBall truly rocked. But that's a different thread...What we're going to do is let people notify me (and copy our co-commish) by 3pm CST Thursday if they want a Thursday game player only - and if they want him in their line-up, and if that they want him to start. I will manually add them to their roster based on Waiver Wire Priority, adjust the line-up as necessary, change the waiver order in the system, and then let the website do the pickups automatically on Friday night. MFL is easy enough, and we're not talking about a huge number of players - that this should only take me a minute.One beauty of MFL - even if I happen to be traveling, as long as the email is into me before 3:00PM CST, I can make the adjustments - even after the game.