Wanna see a messed up scoring system? (1 Viewer)

[sholditch]

Ok, I play in this league on EA sports every year and every year the scoring gets more and more wacky. Last year, Chi and Bal DST averaged about 55 ppg. Here are the top 20 from last year using the current system (which has actually downgraded DST scoring)

1 LaDainian Tomlinson (RB, SD)

2 Baltimore Ravens (DST, Bal)

3 Steven Jackson (RB, StL)

4 Larry Johnson (RB, KC)

5 Chicago Bears (DST, Chi)

6 San Diego Chargers (DST, SD)

7 Willie Parker (RB, Pit)

8 Frank Gore (RB, SF)

9 New England Patriots (DST, NE)

10 Tiki Barber (RB, NYG)

11 Peyton Manning (QB, Ind)

12 Marvin Harrison (WR, Ind)

13 Brian Westbrook (RB, Phi)

14 Seattle Seahawks (DST, Sea)

15 Philadelphia Eagles (DST, Phi)

16 Chad Johnson (WR, Cin)

17 Jacksonville Jaguars (DST, Jac)

18 Denver Broncos (DST, Den)

19 Green Bay Packers (DST, GB)

20 Miami Dolphins (DST, Mia)

how would you adjust your draft strategy, if at all?

 

[ATC1]

Well it seems like defenses will be deep, so no need to pick one 1st round. Break up the difference between Miami's and BAL total points for the season.

 

[Mystery Achiever]

i had to respond just because of your subtitle.

seriously, i don't see a need to adjust. you definitely don't need to reach, but i don't believe in that anyway because there is so much turniver year-to-year. my question would be, as atc1 touched on, how much difference is there from one team's weekly points to the next -- is there a significant drop off?

 

[sholditch]

unfortunately the rankings don't display total points, lemme see here. nope, no total points. I can tell you the teams with CHI and BAL last year were practically unbeatable unless you had some monstrous offensive players. San Diego could sorta keep up, but after that it was a steep, steep dropoff. I basically ruined my chances of winning by drafting how I always do.

 

[ATC1]

Well if the LT, S. Jackson, LJ drop off is not as big as the 3 defensive drop offs. It makes sense to take a defense, but it also depends on where you draft.

 

[tomarken]

Well if the LT, S. Jackson, LJ drop off is not as big as the 3 defensive drop offs. It makes sense to take a defense, but it also depends on where you draft.

That's the key - how steep is the dropoff? The fact that 10 of the top 20 in scoring are defenses doesn't really have a whole lot to do with it. If someone reaches early to get BAL defense and you can get one that will give you similar production 10 rounds later, then it's best to wait. In another thread we went off on a tangent discussing where you would draft a kicker if FG's were 50 pts each. I said I'd take one in the same spot I usually do - at the end of the draft. But depending on the specific scoring in place for your defenses, it might be wise to take one earlier. You also have to watch the flow of the draft - if there is a run on defenses early, then you may draft differently than you would if no one took a defense early.

 

[Mystery Achiever]

That's the key - how steep is the dropoff? The fact that 10 of the top 20 in scoring are defenses doesn't really have a whole lot to do with it. If someone reaches early to get BAL defense and you can get one that will give you similar production 10 rounds later, then it's best to wait. In another thread we went off on a tangent discussing where you would draft a kicker if FG's were 50 pts each. I said I'd take one in the same spot I usually do - at the end of the draft. But depending on the specific scoring in place for your defenses, it might be wise to take one earlier. You also have to watch the flow of the draft - if there is a run on defenses early, then you may draft differently than you would if no one took a defense early.

Yes, that's why I don't think you adjust. I don't think you were screwed because you didn't adjust your draft style sholditch. Or that the issue is that ten Ds scored so high --- I think it is, from what you said, that it is because Baltimore and Chicago scored so high. I looked at one of my leagues and Bal was #11 overall, Chi #20. SO the only issue, it seems is whether you reach for Bal or Chi. I personally would have trouble doing that.

 

[Conqu'ering_Heroes]

What's reaching? Round six or round one?

What do VBD and AVT suggest? With wacked-out scoring ADP is out the window.

If I could analyze all the final scorings or the scoring rules, I could make a better suggestion....

If this scoring systems makes RBs and DEFs of similar scoring and value, take advantage of it and do not complain.

I've been in a league that changed the DEFs scoring and last year CHI and Balt lead teams were hard to beat... a post season review put them as top 10 picks with VBD in mind. I'll use this to my advantage this year: I'm considering taking BOTH by the sixth round if the other owners are not awake. I plan on taking one in round five.

Just because we've been indocrinated to think RBs are the Gods of Fantasy Football, doesn't mean they are.

Good Luck.

 

[PsychoMan]

I would definitely downgrade the Atlanta skill positions with no Vick .....

 

[sholditch]

If I could analyze all the final scorings or the scoring rules, I could make a better suggestion....

Heh you asked for it:Individual Offense

Passing

Passing Completion Pts:

Award a bonus of 3 points @ 20 PassComp

Award a bonus of 3 points @ 30 PassComp

Award a bonus of 3 points @ 40 PassComp

Award a bonus of 3 points @ 50 PassComp

Passing Interception Pts: -3

Passing Interception for TD Pts: -7

Passing TD Pts: 7

Award a bonus of 3 points for a PassTD between 50 and * yds

Passing Two-point Conversion Pts: 3

Passing Yards Pts: 0

Award a bonus of 5 points @ 2225 PassYds

Award a bonus of 2 points @ 265 PassYds

Award a bonus of 2 points @ 300 PassYds

Award a bonus of 2 points @ 333 PassYds

Award a bonus of 5 points @ 400 PassYds

Award a bonus of 2 points @ 450 PassYds

Award a bonus of 5 points @ 500 PassYds

From 0 to 299 PassYds, award 1 points for every 50 PassYds

From 300 to 399 PassYds, award 1 points for every 25 PassYds

From 400 to * PassYds, award 1 points for every 15 PassYds

Times Sacked Passer Pts: -2

Rushing

Rushing Attempt Pts:

Award a bonus of 5 points @ 20 RuAtt

Award a bonus of 5 points @ 30 RuAtt

Award a bonus of 5 points @ 40 RuAtt

Rushing TD Pts: 7

Award a bonus of 3 points for a RuTD between 50 and * yds

Rushing Two-point Conversion Pts: 3

Rushing Yards Pts: 0

Award a bonus of 5 points @ 80 RuYds

Award a bonus of 1 points @ 100 RuYds

Award a bonus of 2 points @ 130 RuYds

Award a bonus of 2 points @ 160 RuYds

Award a bonus of 5 points @ 200 RuYds

From 0 to 99 RuYds, award 1 points for every 10 RuYds

From 99 to 120 RuYds, award 1 points for every 9 RuYds

From 121 to 150 RuYds, award 1 points for every 8 RuYds

From 151 to * RuYds, award 1 points for every 5 RuYds

Receiving

Receiving TD Pts: 7

Award a bonus of 3 points for a RecTd between 50 and * yds

Receiving Two-point Conversion Pts: 3

Receiving Yards Pts: 0

Award a bonus of 5 points @ 75 RecYds

Award a bonus of 2 points @ 100 RecYds

Award a bonus of 2 points @ 125 RecYds

Award a bonus of 2 points @ 145 RecYds

Award a bonus of 5 points @ 175 RecYds

Award a bonus of 2 points @ 200 RecYds

From 0 to 50 RecYds, award 1 points for every 10 RecYds

From 51 to 99 RecYds, award 1 points for every 7 RecYds

From 100 to 150 RecYds, award 1 points for every 6 RecYds

From 151 to * RecYds, award 1 points for every 5 RecYds

Reception Pts:

Award a bonus of 1 points @ 5 Rec

Award a bonus of 2 points @ 7 Rec

Award a bonus of 2 points @ 10 Rec

Award a bonus of 5 points @ 15 Rec

Award a bonus of 5 points @ 20 Rec

From 15 to * Rec, award 1 points for every 1 Rec

Misc.

Fumble Lost, Including ST plays Pts: -3

Individual Fumble Recovery TD Pts: 7

Team Defense

Defensive Fumble Recovered Pts: 2

Defensive TD Pts: 7

Award a bonus of 3 points for a DefTD between 50 and * yds

Interceptions Pts: 2

Net Passing Yards Against Pts:

Award a bonus of points @ NetPassYdsA

From 0 to 50 NetPassYdsA, award 10 points for every NetPassYdsA

From 51 to 100 NetPassYdsA, award 9 points for every NetPassYdsA

From 101 to 150 NetPassYdsA, award 8 points for every NetPassYdsA

From 151 to 200 NetPassYdsA, award 7 points for every NetPassYdsA

Points Against, Total Points Scored Pts:

Award a bonus of points @ PtsA

From 0 to 0 PtsA, award 10 points for every PtsA

From 1 to 3 PtsA, award 9 points for every PtsA

From 4 to 7 PtsA, award 8 points for every PtsA

From 8 to 10 PtsA, award 7 points for every PtsA

From 11 to 14 PtsA, award 6 points for every PtsA

Rushing Yards Allowed Pts:

From 0 to 50 RuYdsA, award 10 points for every RuYdsA

From 51 to 75 RuYdsA, award 7 points for every RuYdsA

Sack Pts:

Award a bonus of points @ Sck

From 1 to 4 Sck, award 2 points for every 1 Sck

From 5 to 8 Sck, award 3 points for every 1 Sck

From 8 to * Sck, award 4 points for every 1 Sck

Safety Pts: 7

Team Loss Pts: -5

Team Win Pts: 3

Defensive 2 Pt TD Return Pts: 5

Individual Defense

Defensive Fumble Recovered Pts: 3

Defensive Fumble Recovery Yards Pts:

Award a bonus of 2 points @ 20 DefFumbRecYds

Award a bonus of 3 points @ 50 DefFumbRecYds

Award a bonus of 3 points @ 100 DefFumbRecYds

Defensive TD Pts: 7

Award a bonus of 3 points for a DefTD between 50 and * yds

Forced Fumble Pts: 2

Interception TD Pts: 7

Award a bonus of 3 points for a IntTD between 50 and * yds

Interception Yards Pts:

Award a bonus of 2 points @ 20 IntYds

Award a bonus of 3 points @ 50 IntYds

Award a bonus of 3 points @ 100 IntYds

Interceptions Pts: 3

Pass Defensed Pts:

Award a bonus of 5 points @ 5 PassDef

Sack Pts: 2

Award a bonus of 5 points @ 3 Sck

Award a bonus of 5 points @ 6 Sck

Safety Pts: 5

Team Special Teams

Blocked Extra Points Pts: 3

Blocked Field Goal Touchdown Pts: 7

Award a bonus of 3 points for a FGBTD between 50 and * yds

Blocked Field Goals Pts: 5

Blocked Punt Touchdown Pts: 7

Award a bonus of 3 points for a PBTD between 50 and * yds

Blocked Punts Pts: 2

Special Team Fumble Recovery for TD Pts: 7

Special Teams TD Pts: 7

Award a bonus of 3 points for a STTD between 50 and * yds

Individual Special Teams

Blocked Extra Points Pts: 3

Blocked Field Goal Touchdown Pts: 7

Award a bonus of 3 points for a FGBTD between 50 and * yds

Blocked Field Goals Pts: 5

Blocked Punt Touchdown Pts: 7

Award a bonus of 3 points for a PBTD between 50 and * yds

Blocked Punts Pts: 2

Kick Return TD Pts: 7

Award a bonus of 3 points for a KRTD between 50 and * yds

Punt Return TD Pts: 7

Award a bonus of 3 points for a PRTD between 50 and * yds

Special Team Fumble Recovery for TD Pts: 7

Award a bonus of 3 points for a STFumbRecTD between 50 and * yds

Special Teams TD Pts: 7

Place Kicking

Extra Points Made Pts: 1

Field Goals Made Pts: 3

Award a bonus of 1 points for a FG between 35 and 45 yds

Award a bonus of 2 points for a FG between 46 and 54 yds

Award a bonus of 3 points for a FG between 55 and 62 yds

Award a bonus of 10 points for a FG between 63 and * yds

Missed Extra Point Pts: -3

Missed Field Goal Pts: -2

Award a bonus of -2 points for a FGM between 0 and 25 yds

just for the record I wouldn't consider any DSTs other than BAL, CHI, and maybe SD in the first two rounds. But I'm telling you, CHI and BAL were regularly outscoring LT. In fact, I think a trade of LT for one of the two was refused.

 

[ipljeff]

Holy Crap

If I could analyze all the final scorings or the scoring rules, I could make a better suggestion....

Heh you asked for it:Individual OffensePassingPassing Completion Pts: Award a bonus of 3 points @ 20 PassComp Award a bonus of 3 points @ 30 PassComp Award a bonus of 3 points @ 40 PassComp Award a bonus of 3 points @ 50 PassComp Passing Interception Pts: -3Passing Interception for TD Pts: -7Passing TD Pts: 7Award a bonus of 3 points for a PassTD between 50 and * yds Passing Two-point Conversion Pts: 3Passing Yards Pts: 0Award a bonus of 5 points @ 2225 PassYds Award a bonus of 2 points @ 265 PassYds Award a bonus of 2 points @ 300 PassYds Award a bonus of 2 points @ 333 PassYds Award a bonus of 5 points @ 400 PassYds Award a bonus of 2 points @ 450 PassYds Award a bonus of 5 points @ 500 PassYds From 0 to 299 PassYds, award 1 points for every 50 PassYds From 300 to 399 PassYds, award 1 points for every 25 PassYds From 400 to * PassYds, award 1 points for every 15 PassYds Times Sacked Passer Pts: -2RushingRushing Attempt Pts: Award a bonus of 5 points @ 20 RuAtt Award a bonus of 5 points @ 30 RuAtt Award a bonus of 5 points @ 40 RuAtt Rushing TD Pts: 7Award a bonus of 3 points for a RuTD between 50 and * yds Rushing Two-point Conversion Pts: 3Rushing Yards Pts: 0Award a bonus of 5 points @ 80 RuYds Award a bonus of 1 points @ 100 RuYds Award a bonus of 2 points @ 130 RuYds Award a bonus of 2 points @ 160 RuYds Award a bonus of 5 points @ 200 RuYds From 0 to 99 RuYds, award 1 points for every 10 RuYds From 99 to 120 RuYds, award 1 points for every 9 RuYds From 121 to 150 RuYds, award 1 points for every 8 RuYds From 151 to * RuYds, award 1 points for every 5 RuYds ReceivingReceiving TD Pts: 7Award a bonus of 3 points for a RecTd between 50 and * yds Receiving Two-point Conversion Pts: 3Receiving Yards Pts: 0Award a bonus of 5 points @ 75 RecYds Award a bonus of 2 points @ 100 RecYds Award a bonus of 2 points @ 125 RecYds Award a bonus of 2 points @ 145 RecYds Award a bonus of 5 points @ 175 RecYds Award a bonus of 2 points @ 200 RecYds From 0 to 50 RecYds, award 1 points for every 10 RecYds From 51 to 99 RecYds, award 1 points for every 7 RecYds From 100 to 150 RecYds, award 1 points for every 6 RecYds From 151 to * RecYds, award 1 points for every 5 RecYds Reception Pts: Award a bonus of 1 points @ 5 Rec Award a bonus of 2 points @ 7 Rec Award a bonus of 2 points @ 10 Rec Award a bonus of 5 points @ 15 Rec Award a bonus of 5 points @ 20 Rec From 15 to * Rec, award 1 points for every 1 Rec Misc.Fumble Lost, Including ST plays Pts: -3Individual Fumble Recovery TD Pts: 7Team DefenseDefensive Fumble Recovered Pts: 2Defensive TD Pts: 7Award a bonus of 3 points for a DefTD between 50 and * yds Interceptions Pts: 2Net Passing Yards Against Pts: Award a bonus of points @ NetPassYdsA From 0 to 50 NetPassYdsA, award 10 points for every NetPassYdsA From 51 to 100 NetPassYdsA, award 9 points for every NetPassYdsA From 101 to 150 NetPassYdsA, award 8 points for every NetPassYdsA From 151 to 200 NetPassYdsA, award 7 points for every NetPassYdsA Points Against, Total Points Scored Pts: Award a bonus of points @ PtsA From 0 to 0 PtsA, award 10 points for every PtsA From 1 to 3 PtsA, award 9 points for every PtsA From 4 to 7 PtsA, award 8 points for every PtsA From 8 to 10 PtsA, award 7 points for every PtsA From 11 to 14 PtsA, award 6 points for every PtsA Rushing Yards Allowed Pts: From 0 to 50 RuYdsA, award 10 points for every RuYdsA From 51 to 75 RuYdsA, award 7 points for every RuYdsA Sack Pts: Award a bonus of points @ Sck From 1 to 4 Sck, award 2 points for every 1 Sck From 5 to 8 Sck, award 3 points for every 1 Sck From 8 to * Sck, award 4 points for every 1 Sck Safety Pts: 7Team Loss Pts: -5Team Win Pts: 3Defensive 2 Pt TD Return Pts: 5Individual DefenseDefensive Fumble Recovered Pts: 3Defensive Fumble Recovery Yards Pts: Award a bonus of 2 points @ 20 DefFumbRecYds Award a bonus of 3 points @ 50 DefFumbRecYds Award a bonus of 3 points @ 100 DefFumbRecYds Defensive TD Pts: 7Award a bonus of 3 points for a DefTD between 50 and * yds Forced Fumble Pts: 2Interception TD Pts: 7Award a bonus of 3 points for a IntTD between 50 and * yds Interception Yards Pts: Award a bonus of 2 points @ 20 IntYds Award a bonus of 3 points @ 50 IntYds Award a bonus of 3 points @ 100 IntYds Interceptions Pts: 3Pass Defensed Pts: Award a bonus of 5 points @ 5 PassDef Sack Pts: 2Award a bonus of 5 points @ 3 Sck Award a bonus of 5 points @ 6 Sck Safety Pts: 5Team Special TeamsBlocked Extra Points Pts: 3Blocked Field Goal Touchdown Pts: 7Award a bonus of 3 points for a FGBTD between 50 and * yds Blocked Field Goals Pts: 5Blocked Punt Touchdown Pts: 7Award a bonus of 3 points for a PBTD between 50 and * yds Blocked Punts Pts: 2Special Team Fumble Recovery for TD Pts: 7Special Teams TD Pts: 7Award a bonus of 3 points for a STTD between 50 and * yds Individual Special TeamsBlocked Extra Points Pts: 3Blocked Field Goal Touchdown Pts: 7Award a bonus of 3 points for a FGBTD between 50 and * yds Blocked Field Goals Pts: 5Blocked Punt Touchdown Pts: 7Award a bonus of 3 points for a PBTD between 50 and * yds Blocked Punts Pts: 2Kick Return TD Pts: 7Award a bonus of 3 points for a KRTD between 50 and * yds Punt Return TD Pts: 7Award a bonus of 3 points for a PRTD between 50 and * yds Special Team Fumble Recovery for TD Pts: 7Award a bonus of 3 points for a STFumbRecTD between 50 and * yds Special Teams TD Pts: 7Place KickingExtra Points Made Pts: 1Field Goals Made Pts: 3Award a bonus of 1 points for a FG between 35 and 45 yds Award a bonus of 2 points for a FG between 46 and 54 yds Award a bonus of 3 points for a FG between 55 and 62 yds Award a bonus of 10 points for a FG between 63 and * yds Missed Extra Point Pts: -3Missed Field Goal Pts: -2Award a bonus of -2 points for a FGM between 0 and 25 yds

 

[joffer]

Misc.

Fumble Lost, Including ST plays Pts: -3

Individual Fumble Recovery TD Pts: 7

Team Defense

Defensive Fumble Recovered Pts: 2

Defensive TD Pts: 7

Award a bonus of 3 points for a DefTD between 50 and * yds

Interceptions Pts: 2

Net Passing Yards Against Pts:

Award a bonus of points @ NetPassYdsA

From 0 to 50 NetPassYdsA, award 10 points for every NetPassYdsA

From 51 to 100 NetPassYdsA, award 9 points for every NetPassYdsA

From 101 to 150 NetPassYdsA, award 8 points for every NetPassYdsA

From 151 to 200 NetPassYdsA, award 7 points for every NetPassYdsA

Points Against, Total Points Scored Pts:

Award a bonus of points @ PtsA

From 0 to 0 PtsA, award 10 points for every PtsA

From 1 to 3 PtsA, award 9 points for every PtsA

From 4 to 7 PtsA, award 8 points for every PtsA

From 8 to 10 PtsA, award 7 points for every PtsA

From 11 to 14 PtsA, award 6 points for every PtsA

Rushing Yards Allowed Pts:

From 0 to 50 RuYdsA, award 10 points for every RuYdsA

From 51 to 75 RuYdsA, award 7 points for every RuYdsA

Sack Pts:

Award a bonus of points @ Sck

From 1 to 4 Sck, award 2 points for every 1 Sck

From 5 to 8 Sck, award 3 points for every 1 Sck

From 8 to * Sck, award 4 points for every 1 Sck

Safety Pts: 7

Team Loss Pts: -5

Team Win Pts: 3

Defensive 2 Pt TD Return Pts: 5

Individual Defense

Defensive Fumble Recovered Pts: 3

Defensive Fumble Recovery Yards Pts:

Award a bonus of 2 points @ 20 DefFumbRecYds

Award a bonus of 3 points @ 50 DefFumbRecYds

Award a bonus of 3 points @ 100 DefFumbRecYds

Defensive TD Pts: 7

Award a bonus of 3 points for a DefTD between 50 and * yds

Forced Fumble Pts: 2

Interception TD Pts: 7

Award a bonus of 3 points for a IntTD between 50 and * yds

Interception Yards Pts:

Award a bonus of 2 points @ 20 IntYds

Award a bonus of 3 points @ 50 IntYds

Award a bonus of 3 points @ 100 IntYds

Interceptions Pts: 3

Pass Defensed Pts:

Award a bonus of 5 points @ 5 PassDef

Sack Pts: 2

Award a bonus of 5 points @ 3 Sck

Award a bonus of 5 points @ 6 Sck

Safety Pts: 5

Team Special Teams

Blocked Extra Points Pts: 3

Blocked Field Goal Touchdown Pts: 7

Award a bonus of 3 points for a FGBTD between 50 and * yds

Blocked Field Goals Pts: 5

Blocked Punt Touchdown Pts: 7

Award a bonus of 3 points for a PBTD between 50 and * yds

Blocked Punts Pts: 2

Special Team Fumble Recovery for TD Pts: 7

Special Teams TD Pts: 7

Award a bonus of 3 points for a STTD between 50 and * yds

Individual Special Teams

Blocked Extra Points Pts: 3

Blocked Field Goal Touchdown Pts: 7

Award a bonus of 3 points for a FGBTD between 50 and * yds

Blocked Field Goals Pts: 5

Blocked Punt Touchdown Pts: 7

Award a bonus of 3 points for a PBTD between 50 and * yds

Blocked Punts Pts: 2

Kick Return TD Pts: 7

Award a bonus of 3 points for a KRTD between 50 and * yds

Punt Return TD Pts: 7

Award a bonus of 3 points for a PRTD between 50 and * yds

Special Team Fumble Recovery for TD Pts: 7

Award a bonus of 3 points for a STFumbRecTD between 50 and * yds

Special Teams TD Pts: 7

yeah that'll do it

 

[sholditch]

told y'all it was nuts. I love the league though cause it really makes you rethink your entire strategy. The scoring is so loaded with bonuses it's almost impossible to do realistic projections.

Anyway, right now it looks like I am picking 8th. Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if CHI and BAL went 1-2. That's what everyone was saying last year.

 

[tomarken]

Individual Offense

Passing

Award a bonus of 5 points @ 2225 PassYds

 

[Banger]

any league where a defense is chosen in the 1st round and 1/2 of the top 20 scorers are defenses is a league I'd want no part of.

 

[sholditch]

Individual Offense

Passing

Award a bonus of 5 points @ 2225 PassYds

Typo methinks, or no one is getting that bonus.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

Leagues with a bunch of gimmicky bonuses =