Washington still hoping to trade DT Albert Haynesworth (1 Viewer)

[Chicago Hooligan]

I think if you are hoping to get any kind of value you'd look there. Although a 2nd in this deep draft might be nearly as good. I don't think it's likely to happen anyway.

 

[southeastjerome]

Adam Schefter saying the rumors are untrue on his twitter.

Despite rampant speculation, Redskins NOT shopping Albert Haynesworth and haven't had any trade discussions regarding him since March 31.

 

[Dexter Manley]

Regarding the $21 million already paid, IMO there's no way the Skins move Big Al without him paying back a signifcant amount of that bonus.

I don't see any way he'd pay money back. He has no need to. He'll report to mandatory practices and will play where they put him. If they want to go out of their way to make him miserable to try to get some $$$ back they'll just be hurting the team.If they can get value for him in a trade, fine. But they should forget about getting back money they paid.

I agree that there's no way he's paying any $$$ back. That's the main reason I don't think he's going to get traded, because I don't see another team sending a lot of that bonus $$$ back to Washington either.

 

[Jason Wood]

ESPN denying the reports:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5062920

FWIW

 

[burgundy and gold]

ESPN denying the reports:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5062920

FWIW

Pretty much what I thought. The Skins offered him to Philly prior to doomsday of handing over the 21 million to him. But once he got that check he became untradeable.

 

[burgundy and gold]

Question. What if ... Rams take Bradford, Detroit takes Okung, the Skins get no real trade offers. Who's BPA and who do they pick (assuming Haynesworth hasn't been given away)? And why?

 

[Da Guru]

Albert to Detroit is all over the radio today. Seems that Albert loves Jim Schwartz

 

[fatness]

That's the main reason I don't think he's going to get traded, because I don't see another team sending a lot of that bonus $$$ back to Washington either.

No one on earth has any reason to give the Redskins back any of the money they've paid Haynesworth already. They really should get over that pipe dream. If they want to trade him they should just grow a pair and trade him.I think this whole supposed problem is blown way out of perspective, by the way. Haynesworth has already said he'd be at all mandatory practices and will play where the team wants him to play. Haslett has said that he'll try to use Haynesworth in various defensive spot to maximize what he does well. If they both just do those things, I don't see the problem. Nor do I see why someone's forcing this to "problem" level right now.

 

[Sidewinder16]

I think this whole supposed problem is blown way out of perspective, by the way. Haynesworth has already said he'd be at all mandatory practices and will play where the team wants him to play. Haslett has said that he'll try to use Haynesworth in various defensive spot to maximize what he does well. If they both just do those things, I don't see the problem. Nor do I see why someone's forcing this to "problem" level right now.

Haynesworth is also saying that he isn't happy with switching to NT and wants to be traded.

Haynesworth, who turns 29 in June, is unhappy with new coach Mike Shanahan's plan to move him to nose tackle in a 3-4 scheme and has said he wants to be traded. New GM Bruce Allen and Shanahan have said publicly that the team plans to keep Haynesworth and play him at nose tackle, but many NFL personnel men believe he's available.

 

[vandyt]

That's the main reason I don't think he's going to get traded, because I don't see another team sending a lot of that bonus $$$ back to Washington either.

No one on earth has any reason to give the Redskins back any of the money they've paid Haynesworth already.

It doesn't matter. Its illegal in the NFL...this isnt baseball or basketball, theres never been a trade involving $$$ in the NFL (that I'm aware of) since the merger.

 

[Comfortable Shoes]

I think this whole supposed problem is blown way out of perspective, by the way. Haynesworth has already said he'd be at all mandatory practices and will play where the team wants him to play. Haslett has said that he'll try to use Haynesworth in various defensive spot to maximize what he does well. If they both just do those things, I don't see the problem. Nor do I see why someone's forcing this to "problem" level right now.

Haynesworth is also saying that he isn't happy with switching to NT and wants to be traded.

Haynesworth, who turns 29 in June, is unhappy with new coach Mike Shanahan's plan to move him to nose tackle in a 3-4 scheme and has said he wants to be traded. New GM Bruce Allen and Shanahan have said publicly that the team plans to keep Haynesworth and play him at nose tackle, but many NFL personnel men believe he's available.

It is so stupid that the team can't figure out that putting your best, most play-making defensive player in the position that can make the fewest number of plays - NT - is idiotic. Why not put him at DE? Haslett has always struck me as a meat head and this only reinforces that notion.

 

[fatness]

Haynesworth is also saying that he isn't happy with switching to NT and wants to be traded.

Haynesworth, who turns 29 in June, is unhappy with new coach Mike Shanahan's plan to move him to nose tackle in a 3-4 scheme and has said he wants to be traded. New GM Bruce Allen and Shanahan have said publicly that the team plans to keep Haynesworth and play him at nose tackle, but many NFL personnel men believe he's available.

This was the situation a month ago:

Moreover, there are no secrets between Haynesworth and the Redskins regarding Haynesworth's feelings about the new defense and his role in it, team sources said. In a meeting at Redskins Park in January, coaches discussed their plans with Haynesworth, and there have been follow-up conversations.

The Redskins do not plan to use Haynesworth as a classic nose tackle, the team sources said. Defensive coordinator Jim Haslett intends to use multiple fronts and envisions Haynesworth moving between the nose and end spots in hybrid alignments. With what Haslett has planned, the Redskins believe Haynesworth will thrive.

LinkI don't see the advantage in Shanahan/Allen/Haslett pushing "you're going to be a typical nose tackle" now, except as an ego exercise for themselves. We're not talking about some second-string guy; Haynesworth by all team accounts was their best defensive player last year and improved the play of the entire offensive line (look at the sack totals for Carter and Orakpo). And Haynesworth was unhappy with Greg Blache most of last year, so he obviously can play well when unhappy.

 

[Marvelous]

That's the main reason I don't think he's going to get traded, because I don't see another team sending a lot of that bonus $$$ back to Washington either.

No one on earth has any reason to give the Redskins back any of the money they've paid Haynesworth already.

It doesn't matter. Its illegal in the NFL...this isnt baseball or basketball, theres never been a trade involving $$$ in the NFL (that I'm aware of) since the merger.

There is also the issue that Haynesworth's contract now has a clause that the can void the remainder of the contract by paying back $14 M (or some other high figure). And if he is not happy even with his new team, this is likely to occur. So if Haynesworth is trades, who gets that money? If it's the new team, they actually come out $5M ahead AND get him for a year. That probably makes Haynesworth worth at least a 1st round pick to a money-needy team.

 

[Marvelous]

I think this whole supposed problem is blown way out of perspective, by the way. Haynesworth has already said he'd be at all mandatory practices and will play where the team wants him to play. Haslett has said that he'll try to use Haynesworth in various defensive spot to maximize what he does well. If they both just do those things, I don't see the problem. Nor do I see why someone's forcing this to "problem" level right now.

Haynesworth is also saying that he isn't happy with switching to NT and wants to be traded.

Haynesworth, who turns 29 in June, is unhappy with new coach Mike Shanahan's plan to move him to nose tackle in a 3-4 scheme and has said he wants to be traded. New GM Bruce Allen and Shanahan have said publicly that the team plans to keep Haynesworth and play him at nose tackle, but many NFL personnel men believe he's available.

It is so stupid that the team can't figure out that putting your best, most play-making defensive player in the position that can make the fewest number of plays - NT - is idiotic. Why not put him at DE? Haslett has always struck me as a meat head and this only reinforces that notion.

NT is probably the most inportant position in a 3-4 defense. I think 3 NTs were franchised this year. So putting your "best, most play-making defensive player" at the most important position that he can probably dominate does not sound like a bad idea.

 

[Comfortable Shoes]

I think this whole supposed problem is blown way out of perspective, by the way. Haynesworth has already said he'd be at all mandatory practices and will play where the team wants him to play. Haslett has said that he'll try to use Haynesworth in various defensive spot to maximize what he does well. If they both just do those things, I don't see the problem. Nor do I see why someone's forcing this to "problem" level right now.

Haynesworth is also saying that he isn't happy with switching to NT and wants to be traded.

Haynesworth, who turns 29 in June, is unhappy with new coach Mike Shanahan's plan to move him to nose tackle in a 3-4 scheme and has said he wants to be traded. New GM Bruce Allen and Shanahan have said publicly that the team plans to keep Haynesworth and play him at nose tackle, but many NFL personnel men believe he's available.

It is so stupid that the team can't figure out that putting your best, most play-making defensive player in the position that can make the fewest number of plays - NT - is idiotic. Why not put him at DE? Haslett has always struck me as a meat head and this only reinforces that notion.

NT is probably the most inportant position in a 3-4 defense. I think 3 NTs were franchised this year. So putting your "best, most play-making defensive player" at the most important position that he can probably dominate does not sound like a bad idea.

I agree, but important doesn't mean impactful. Haynesworth is a penetrating, disrupting d-lineman. That's what he does, and he excels at it - there's arguably nobody better in the league at interior DL doing that than him right now. You don't ask him to work as a gap-filling anchor taking on two OL's at once, which is essentially what a NT does. It's stupid. It ranks right up there beyond even using Clinton Portis as a battering ram rather than as a one-cut RB.

 

[fatness]

Haynesworth is also saying that he isn't happy with switching to NT and wants to be traded.

Haynesworth, who turns 29 in June, is unhappy with new coach Mike Shanahan's plan to move him to nose tackle in a 3-4 scheme and has said he wants to be traded. New GM Bruce Allen and Shanahan have said publicly that the team plans to keep Haynesworth and play him at nose tackle, but many NFL personnel men believe he's available.

I just read that article, and I'm not sure if that's new information or just a re-hashing of general talk from a month ago.There are no quotes from Haynesworth, just the announcement that he wants to be traded. When did Haynesworth say he wanted to be traded, and to whom did he say it? I guess that would clear things up a bit. Thanks.

 

[Sidewinder16]

I don't see the advantage in Shanahan/Allen/Haslett pushing "you're going to be a typical nose tackle" now, except as an ego exercise for themselves. We're not talking about some second-string guy; Haynesworth by all team accounts was their best defensive player last year and improved the play of the entire offensive line (look at the sack totals for Carter and Orakpo). And Haynesworth was unhappy with Greg Blache most of last year, so he obviously can play well when unhappy.

For the most part, I agree. What I don't think I agree with is the thought that "this whole supposed problem is blown way out of perspective". Shanahan and Allen have already done things to change the awful locker room situation that has been going on for years. Being a "team guy" and respecting the head coach as the top decision maker seems to be the message given to every player.Given that, it's obvious there are issues between Haynesworth and the coaching staff, but since we don't know all the details it's hard to be sure just how serious those issues are. At best, the relationship between Shanahan and Haynesworth has gotten off on the wrong foot. At worst, Shanahan wants him off the roster. Personally, I think the situation is leaning, at least slightly, to the latter.

 

[fatness]

Despite multiple reports that the Washington Redskins are determined to trade defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth, a high-ranking Redskins source insisted the team is not.

The source said Haynesworth is, and will continue to be, the Redskins' starting nose tackle.

Haynesworth's name has not come up in any trade discussions since March 31, when Washington and Philadelphia discussed a potential deal for quarterback Donovan McNabb, according to the source.

Schefter, posted this morning.

 

[fatness]

The trade talks began due to the poor relationship between Haynesworth and head coach Mike Shanahan. Various problems arose early on due to: 1) Haynesworth’s apparent discomfort with playing nose tackle in the 3-4 defense that defensive coordinator Jim Haslett plans to implement and; 2) Haynesworth unwillingnes to stay at Redskins Park for voluntary workouts this off-season. Although it was reported earlier by Jason Reid of the Washington Post that Haynesworth would return to Ashburn for voluntary mini-camp later this month, new information has been reported by Reid that the Albert is taking the statement back and that he will only attend mandatory sessions.

An interesting note: Jason Reid reported that Haynesworth told friends that he would only be attending the mandatory sessions because he does not want to become a distraction due to the impasse with coaches about their plans to use him as a nose tackle in the Redskins’ new 3-4 defensive scheme.

link

 

[Sidewinder16]

Despite multiple reports that the Washington Redskins are determined to trade defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth, a high-ranking Redskins source insisted the team is not.

The source said Haynesworth is, and will continue to be, the Redskins' starting nose tackle.

Haynesworth's name has not come up in any trade discussions since March 31, when Washington and Philadelphia discussed a potential deal for quarterback Donovan McNabb, according to the source.

Schefter, posted this morning.

I'm not sure any of this really dispels the idea that Haynesworth could be traded. Just because they aren't "determined to" trade him (and have managed to go a little over a week without bringing his name up in active trade discussions) doesn't mean they aren't willing to or, to some degree, wanting to trade him. To me the situation still feels volatile such that the thoughts/opinions/actions within the organization could shift quickly based on either whatever Haynesworth does next, good or bad, or the next phone call they get with an offer for Haynesworth.It is also quite interesting that this "high-ranking" source labeled Haynesworth as "the Redskins' starting nose tackle". To me that seems like carefully and deliberately chosen phrasing to point out that the coaches, not the players, will be making the decisions for the team.

 

[fatness]

Here is what Shanahan had to say on these subjects:

On trading Albert Haynesworth: "There is nothing to clarify. It is just speculation. He's part of the organization. I am just looking for him to come in and work and be like everyone else. No, we're not going to trade him at all, unless someone gives us something we would have to consider -- that's pretty standard with any player on your roster. He's a pretty smart guy. He's really talented. I think I can get that out of him.''

Shanahan interview today

 

[Bri]

I agree, but important doesn't mean impactful. Haynesworth is a penetrating, disrupting d-lineman. That's what he does, and he excels at it - there's arguably nobody better in the league at interior DL doing that than him right now. You don't ask him to work as a gap-filling anchor taking on two OL's at once, which is essentially what a NT does. It's stupid. It ranks right up there beyond even using Clinton Portis as a battering ram rather than as a one-cut RB.

what he said.Washington (like several other teams before) seems like they hired a 3-4 coach when they should have hired a 4-3 coach. It seems more disruptive than constructive.They can be a real good 4-3 D with the right moves this offseason.I don't think Haynesworth will struggle at all but he probably won't be a game changing player as a NT in a 3-4 then. There are so few game changing dominant defenders in the league, they paid 100 mil to get one. After OCs spent a whole season scheming to minimize Haynesworth, the Redskins did it for them.I still don't think enough people have seen Haynesworth play and it's more of "I know the name" syndrome going around. This is Ed Reed, Polamalu, young Peppers or Patrick Willis that happens to play DT. Big sack, forced fumble, stuffing the running game....cmon now, he's a big deal.

 

[flranger]

That's the main reason I don't think he's going to get traded, because I don't see another team sending a lot of that bonus $$$ back to Washington either.

No one on earth has any reason to give the Redskins back any of the money they've paid Haynesworth already.

It doesn't matter. Its illegal in the NFL...this isnt baseball or basketball, theres never been a trade involving $$$ in the NFL (that I'm aware of) since the merger.

I'm sure this isn't what you were thinking since it is a coach, but this is the only one I can remember:

"Gruden replaced the fired Tony Dungy as head coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers in 2002, via a high-stakes trade that included Tampa Bay's 2002 and 2003 first-round draft picks, 2002 and 2004 second-round draft picks, and $8 million in cash. "

 

[TheWheel]

I've looked into my crystal ball and it is....

Cloudy.

On the one hand, you would think Shanahan would have been tight lipped about these things making the rumor improbable. On the other, you have two egos. Our speculation is only that--speculation. He could be traded to any team honestly.

I think that 21 million bonus makes him now tradable. No team wants to eat 21 million to get a guy. Now that he has been paid, he has a far more manageable contract. He could go anywhere. Tennessee and Detroit make sense but so does pretty much any 4-3 team (Colts? Damnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn) This stuff about the redskins not wanting him kills his value to other teams. The Redskins might get a 20+ pick. His attitude doesn't help.