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[JetMaxx]

I'm not sure if it's trolling or what, but Brady and the Pats have looked fantastic so far. That O-line is massive and done a great job. Amendola has a great QB throwing him the ball for once and looks like he could be a monster as long as he's healthy. I've read rave after rave about Brady from every expert/analyst that has watched him this preseason including some that I really respect.

I hate the Pats. I wish that Brady and the Pats looked ready to crap the bed. But that seems to be in direct contradiction to every piece of visual evidence available to this point.

Ridley will be top 10 in non PPR.

 

[Anarchy99]

I laugh at how defensive Pats fans get. Fact, they don't have their top 4 weapons from last year. But I guess it's all Brady. Maybe it is. Maybe that's why they haven't won a Super Bowl in 10 years.

Fact, Manning had zero of his Top 4 weapons from the year before when he went to DEN. He missed an entire season of football, played with an entirely new OL and new coaching staff, and played with WR and TE that had done very little in the NFL. Yet he had the second best season of his career.

NE has the same OL (and for once healthy), they still have Gronk, and they have BB and JM (who have been able to scheme to great success and massive points scored).

So why could Manning do well in a complete "do over" while Brady will drop, in the eyes of some people, to not even a fantasy QB1? (Wimer has him ranked 14th, I believe).

 

[Papa Georgio]

Love what I have seen from Lacy, but I am reminded that just a few years ago I was all set to take AJ Green and Ingram had this amazing run in the preseson where he blew some guy and up made a spin move on another and walked into the endzone, I was like ok I gotta have this guy. Still Ingram's best run in the NFL I think.

So if Lacy is what he looked like I think a by-product and a guy I am liking more as a a result is Finley. The linebackers were flying in hard on play action and Finley just got in behind them so easily.

 

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Sabertooth:

What are your projections for Brady this year? I'd like to see some numbers you've got in mind.

 

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I'm not sure if it's trolling or what, but Brady and the Pats have looked fantastic so far. That O-line is massive and done a great job. Amendola has a great QB throwing him the ball for once and looks like he could be a monster as long as he's healthy. I've read rave after rave about Brady from every expert/analyst that has watched him this preseason including some that I really respect.

I hate the Pats. I wish that Brady and the Pats looked ready to crap the bed. But that seems to be in direct contradiction to every piece of visual evidence available to this point.

Of course he's trolling.

 

[Rockchild]

Love what I have seen from Lacy, but I am reminded that just a few years ago I was all set to take AJ Green and Ingram had this amazing run in the preseson where he blew some guy and up made a spin move on another and walked into the endzone, I was like ok I gotta have this guy. Still Ingram's best run in the NFL I think.

So if Lacy is what he looked like I think a by-product and a guy I am liking more as a a result is Finley. The linebackers were flying in hard on play action and Finley just got in behind them so easily.

Sorry, I couldn't resist.

 

[Sabertooth]

I laugh at how defensive Pats fans get. Fact, they don't have their top 4 weapons from last year. But I guess it's all Brady. Maybe it is. Maybe that's why they haven't won a Super Bowl in 10 years.

Fact, Manning had zero of his Top 4 weapons from the year before when he went to DEN. He missed an entire season of football, played with an entirely new OL and new coaching staff, and played with WR and TE that had done very little in the NFL. Yet he had the second best season of his career.

NE has the same OL (and for once healthy), they still have Gronk, and they have BB and JM (who have been able to scheme to great success and massive points scored).

So why could Manning do well in a complete "do over" while Brady will drop, in the eyes of some people, to not even a fantasy QB1? (Wimer has him ranked 14th, I believe).

Brady has never been as good as Manning though.

 

[az_prof]

Regarding Brady, he is still a top 10 QB, but I see him falling this season some. Why? His receiving corps has taken a big hit with Welker gone, Hernandez gone, and Gronk injured. The two TE offense was a big part of the team's success the past two seasons. I suspect that this year the running game becomes more important at the expense of passing. Brady will still do well; but I don't see him as a difference maker for your fantasy team.

 

[Sabertooth]

Sabertooth:

What are your projections for Brady this year? I'd like to see some numbers you've got in mind.

2009 371 565 4398 28 13 29 44 1 2 Pretty much a mirror of his 2009 Campaign. I don't think he'll slide too far but I don't think he finishes ahead of all but 4 guys either. I think he's in the 6-10 range.

 

[FlapJacks]

Brady, Manning et al, do make their own weapons, but Welker was/is a very good player. Damaryus(Sp?) Thomas would have been a great player regardless. Gronk would have been a great TE (Brady made him dominant)..

 

[FlapJacks]

Regarding Brady, he is still a top 10 QB, but I see him falling this season some. Why? His receiving corps has taken a big hit with Welker gone, Hernandez gone, and Gronk injured. The two TE offense was a big part of the team's success the past two seasons. I suspect that this year the running game becomes more important at the expense of passing. Brady will still do well; but I don't see him as a difference maker for your fantasy team.

Belichick is always two moves ahead of you.

 

[Breesisdaman]

Alex Smith will go undrafted in a lot of leagues, He was very impressive when I saw him in the 1st preseason game in the Superdome. He isnt even on anyones radar really but under Andy Read lookout. I am picking him up as my #2 with my very last pick in most 12man redraft leagues. I predict he explodes this year!

 

[Breesisdaman]

Looking for a deep sleeper WR, keep an eye on the two saints deep threats Stills and Toon. They are catching on to the offense and they have crazy skills once they get it. Stills will likely be speedster deep threat and toon the more intermediate route runner but he has jets too.

 

[Anarchy99]

Regarding Brady, he is still a top 10 QB, but I see him falling this season some. Why? His receiving corps has taken a big hit with Welker gone, Hernandez gone, and Gronk injured. The two TE offense was a big part of the team's success the past two seasons. I suspect that this year the running game becomes more important at the expense of passing. Brady will still do well; but I don't see him as a difference maker for your fantasy team.

I am in the minority, but I suspect Amendola will do as well or better than Welker. Hernandez and his 483 receiving yards and 5 TD are gone. And if recent reports are accurate, Gronk may be back in Week 3. And last year the Pats had the second most rushing attempts in the league.

As I have posted in other threads, the Patriots offense has constantly morphed and evolved. Brady started out as a game manager that benefitted from a power running game with a lot of play action. Then they moved to the dink and dunk, with lots of bubble screens, WR screens, and throws to RBs. Then came the shock and awe era with Welker and Moss leading the highest scoring offense in league history.

Everyone said the offense would collapse without Moss . . . and they scored 500+ points in each season since. That brought the 2 TE set. Then last year they added the high octane, hurry up offense. Whether people want to consider it or not, the Pats offense has ALWAYS been changing and swapping out personnel. Brown turned into Welker who in turn has become Amendola. Faulk became Woodhead who now is Vereen. Branch became Caldwell who became Branch again who became Lloyd who is now Dobson. The only really unique and hard to replace guy was Moss, and as I just mentioned, they've done just fine without him.

The Pats have become a very good offensive system. Brady has been a great QB, but there's no question that the scheme they are running helps Brady. If the OL stays healthy . . . and they rarely have been over the years, Brady is in for as good a season as any year he's had (save 2007). They will call plays that will get peole open and Brady will get them the ball. Unless the new guys can't catch, Brady will be fine.

 

[Tanner9919]

this preseason has changed my mind about Marc Sanchez, he actually looks fairly decent in a Mornhinweg offense..

I think the Jets will surprise people..could be an 8-8 team..

as a Giants fan,I'm worried about Eli's comp %.. in preason,he is just 10-22-164-1-1..small sample size, I know...

but he doesn't look much better than he did last year..

 

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Sabertooth:

What are your projections for Brady this year? I'd like to see some numbers you've got in mind.

2009 371 565 4398 28 13 29 44 1 2Pretty much a mirror of his 2009 Campaign. I don't think he'll slide too far but I don't think he finishes ahead of all but 4 guys either. I think he's in the 6-10 range.

Gotcha the tone of your messages were a little inflammatory but those are realistic numbers. I tend to agree that the 4-8 window is likely where I see him falling. His lack of a running game stings a little. I see him throwing for a couple more TDs than you do... mid 30's likely. I see more of a 4400/35 range out of him with this grouping... particularly if Gronk doesn't go on IR and ends up back by week 4 or 5 like I'm expecting.

 

[sho nuff]

Love what I have seen from Lacy, but I am reminded that just a few years ago I was all set to take AJ Green and Ingram had this amazing run in the preseson where he blew some guy and up made a spin move on another and walked into the endzone, I was like ok I gotta have this guy. Still Ingram's best run in the NFL I think.

So if Lacy is what he looked like I think a by-product and a guy I am liking more as a a result is Finley. The linebackers were flying in hard on play action and Finley just got in behind them so easily.

Would agree on Finley...targeting him for a nice year as people are down him. Presents a ton of value to those not paying attention this preseason and only think of him as a headcase who drops the ball a lot (not the guy who set the single season receptions for a TE record for the Packers last year).

 

[Sabertooth]

I agree, I just don't know if 4400/35 without the running component is enough to keep him in the top 5. I'm pretty sure you can't even look at a quarterback in the eyes anymore without getting an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty and guys like Kaepernick and RG3 are going to feast on that.

 

[Sabertooth]

Love what I have seen from Lacy, but I am reminded that just a few years ago I was all set to take AJ Green and Ingram had this amazing run in the preseson where he blew some guy and up made a spin move on another and walked into the endzone, I was like ok I gotta have this guy. Still Ingram's best run in the NFL I think.

So if Lacy is what he looked like I think a by-product and a guy I am liking more as a a result is Finley. The linebackers were flying in hard on play action and Finley just got in behind them so easily.

Would agree on Finley...targeting him for a nice year as people are down him. Presents a ton of value to those not paying attention this preseason and only think of him as a headcase who drops the ball a lot (not the guy who set the single season receptions for a TE record for the Packers last year).

Finley is just not consistent enough to count on. Even if he ends up with good aggregate stats, he will disappoint.

 

[Khy]

Regarding Brady, he is still a top 10 QB, but I see him falling this season some. Why? His receiving corps has taken a big hit with Welker gone, Hernandez gone, and Gronk injured. The two TE offense was a big part of the team's success the past two seasons. I suspect that this year the running game becomes more important at the expense of passing. Brady will still do well; but I don't see him as a difference maker for your fantasy team.

I am in the minority, but I suspect Amendola will do as well or better than Welker. Hernandez and his 483 receiving yards and 5 TD are gone. And if recent reports are accurate, Gronk may be back in Week 3. And last year the Pats had the second most rushing attempts in the league.

As I have posted in other threads, the Patriots offense has constantly morphed and evolved. Brady started out as a game manager that benefitted from a power running game with a lot of play action. Then they moved to the dink and dunk, with lots of bubble screens, WR screens, and throws to RBs. Then came the shock and awe era with Welker and Moss leading the highest scoring offense in league history.

Everyone said the offense would collapse without Moss . . . and they scored 500+ points in each season since. That brought the 2 TE set. Then last year they added the high octane, hurry up offense. Whether people want to consider it or not, the Pats offense has ALWAYS been changing and swapping out personnel. Brown turned into Welker who in turn has become Amendola. Faulk became Woodhead who now is Vereen. Branch became Caldwell who became Branch again who became Lloyd who is now Dobson. The only really unique and hard to replace guy was Moss, and as I just mentioned, they've done just fine without him.

The Pats have become a very good offensive system. Brady has been a great QB, but there's no question that the scheme they are running helps Brady. If the OL stays healthy . . . and they rarely have been over the years, Brady is in for as good a season as any year he's had (save 2007). They will call plays that will get peole open and Brady will get them the ball. Unless the new guys can't catch, Brady will be fine.

"Branch became Caldwell who became Branch again who became Lloyd who is now Dobson Thompkins.

FTFY, otherwise spot on.

 

[sho nuff]

Love what I have seen from Lacy, but I am reminded that just a few years ago I was all set to take AJ Green and Ingram had this amazing run in the preseson where he blew some guy and up made a spin move on another and walked into the endzone, I was like ok I gotta have this guy. Still Ingram's best run in the NFL I think.

So if Lacy is what he looked like I think a by-product and a guy I am liking more as a a result is Finley. The linebackers were flying in hard on play action and Finley just got in behind them so easily.

Would agree on Finley...targeting him for a nice year as people are down him. Presents a ton of value to those not paying attention this preseason and only think of him as a headcase who drops the ball a lot (not the guy who set the single season receptions for a TE record for the Packers last year).

Finley is just not consistent enough to count on. Even if he ends up with good aggregate stats, he will disappoint.

I think the injuries in the WR core are going to make him a bit more consistent.

I mean who is Rodgers trusting come crunch time in that first game? Finley, who he has been working and clicking with all camp and preseason...or Cobb/Nelson who have been out so much with injuries.

I have not liked him much in the past. But think he is primed for a nice year this year...especially at his ADP.

 

[Papa Georgio]

Love what I have seen from Lacy, but I am reminded that just a few years ago I was all set to take AJ Green and Ingram had this amazing run in the preseson where he blew some guy and up made a spin move on another and walked into the endzone, I was like ok I gotta have this guy. Still Ingram's best run in the NFL I think.

So if Lacy is what he looked like I think a by-product and a guy I am liking more as a a result is Finley. The linebackers were flying in hard on play action and Finley just got in behind them so easily.

Would agree on Finley...targeting him for a nice year as people are down him. Presents a ton of value to those not paying attention this preseason and only think of him as a headcase who drops the ball a lot (not the guy who set the single season receptions for a TE record for the Packers last year).

Finley is just not consistent enough to count on. Even if he ends up with good aggregate stats, he will disappoint.

I agree mostly with this. It seems in GB guys can get totally lost or ignored and then get 150 for 3 TD's one game.

 

[Papa Georgio]

Love what I have seen from Lacy, but I am reminded that just a few years ago I was all set to take AJ Green and Ingram had this amazing run in the preseson where he blew some guy and up made a spin move on another and walked into the endzone, I was like ok I gotta have this guy. Still Ingram's best run in the NFL I think.

So if Lacy is what he looked like I think a by-product and a guy I am liking more as a a result is Finley. The linebackers were flying in hard on play action and Finley just got in behind them so easily.

Sorry, I couldn't resist.

Too funny, something like that might help Ingram's ADP though.

 

[FatmanLittleboy]

Shane Vereen is going to be fantasy gold in PPR-think a faster younger Sproles in the up-tempo Pats offense. Basically, a WR playing RB.

Cordarelle Patterson is going to be huge in punt-return leagues. Think Cobb-like return skills with Julio-like WR skills.

Hopkins is the real thing-another Julio type WR build.

T. Y Hilton will rack up some major points especially in punt-return leagues.

Eddy Lacy is going to get some big running lanes.

 

[Biabreakable]

Perhaps the best indication of his comfort with his receivers is that, on average, Brady has released the ball in fewer than two seconds on each of his 18 completions. Last year, Brady released the ball in an average of 2.42 seconds, the fastest mark in the NFL. http://blog.masslive.com/patriots/2013/08/tom_brady_pleased_with_progres.html

On another note the NFC East may be the biggest market in the NFL but it is not remotely close to the best division in the NFC.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

I'm not sure if it's trolling or what, but Brady and the Pats have looked fantastic so far. That O-line is massive and done a great job. Amendola has a great QB throwing him the ball for once and looks like he could be a monster as long as he's healthy. I've read rave after rave about Brady from every expert/analyst that has watched him this preseason including some that I really respect.

I hate the Pats. I wish that Brady and the Pats looked ready to crap the bed. But that seems to be in direct contradiction to every piece of visual evidence available to this point.

Ridley will be top 10 in non PPR.

Watched him go #9 in a 12team .5ppr Sunday night.

 

[Kenny Powers]

The Steelers. Im avoiding the team in general in fantasy drafts. The majority of the players are overrated due to them being steelers. Watched the game yesterday and that team is aweful, primarily due to the offensive line imo.

Agree with this... I was more or less forced into taking Antonio Brown as a WR2 in my one redraft and it's literally the only player on my team that I look at and think "Man... I'm terrified about how this works". I just need to hope one of my sleepers actually hit in that league just incase

I think Brown is going a little early for my liking but I think he should be very serviceable as a WR2. I like Sanders value at his ADP as well. Steelers did look awful yesterday, but I think they'll do just fine and somebody has to be catching passes and it won't be Wallace or Miller.

Yeah... like I'm not vomiting over having him or anything. I just remember that pick took me the longest cause he was the best VBD for me at that point and I just really really didn't want to pick him. But there was literally nobody left at that point that I felt better drafting in the slot. I mean my WRs are Colston, Brown, Thompkins, Tavon (Return Yards league), Shorts and M. Williams in a start 3 WR league. So I'm probably fine. I just don't really like having Brown as my likely WR2. But in reality he may end up seeing the bench in favor of Shorts/Williams/Thompkins sooner rather than later as I like all of their situations better right now.

I just want nothing to do with the Steelers offense for fantasy this season... especially if Bell ends up being out for a significant amount of time.

Im not sure Bell can even help them. The main issue looks to be their offensive line. Bell doesn't strike me as the type of back that can overcome a poor offensive line.

The pass blocking is the main issue with the OL, not the run blocking. Also, this is basically the same OL as last year, except Mike Adams has shown enough to move from RT to LT, and they get 1st round pick DeCastro back who missed essentially all of 2012. With that same OL last year, Roethlisberger was on pace for career numbers, at that was with it being the 1st year with Haley as OC.

Lot of overreaction here and other threads on the Steelers offense. Pass blocking is really my only concern, but Roeth's sack were down nearly 20% last year from the previous years.

 

[Donnybrook]

David Wilson - I thought he a tendency to bounce every run outside but look good running inside vs Indy.

Ryan Mathews - I have never been high on him but must admit he has looked better this preseason.

 

[sho nuff]

David Wilson - I thought he a tendency to bounce every run outside but look good running inside vs Indy.

Ryan Mathews - I have never been high on him but must admit he has looked better this preseason.

Agreeing a lot on some of these RBs this year.

Matthews should present some decent value in many leagues as so many are just tired of him. Obvious thing is to make sure you are not depending on him too much and using him as that value play with a solid other option.

 

[Sabertooth]

Love what I have seen from Lacy, but I am reminded that just a few years ago I was all set to take AJ Green and Ingram had this amazing run in the preseson where he blew some guy and up made a spin move on another and walked into the endzone, I was like ok I gotta have this guy. Still Ingram's best run in the NFL I think.

So if Lacy is what he looked like I think a by-product and a guy I am liking more as a a result is Finley. The linebackers were flying in hard on play action and Finley just got in behind them so easily.

Would agree on Finley...targeting him for a nice year as people are down him. Presents a ton of value to those not paying attention this preseason and only think of him as a headcase who drops the ball a lot (not the guy who set the single season receptions for a TE record for the Packers last year).

Finley is just not consistent enough to count on. Even if he ends up with good aggregate stats, he will disappoint.

I agree mostly with this. It seems in GB guys can get totally lost or ignored and then get 150 for 3 TD's one game.

Yes. The only one you can truly count on is Rodgers.

 

[ImTheScientist]

Hopkins is the real thing-another Julio type WR build.

Nothing about them is similar.

 

[ImTheScientist]

The Steelers. Im avoiding the team in general in fantasy drafts. The majority of the players are overrated due to them being steelers. Watched the game yesterday and that team is aweful, primarily due to the offensive line imo.

Agree with this... I was more or less forced into taking Antonio Brown as a WR2 in my one redraft and it's literally the only player on my team that I look at and think "Man... I'm terrified about how this works". I just need to hope one of my sleepers actually hit in that league just incase

I think Brown is going a little early for my liking but I think he should be very serviceable as a WR2. I like Sanders value at his ADP as well. Steelers did look awful yesterday, but I think they'll do just fine and somebody has to be catching passes and it won't be Wallace or Miller.

Yeah... like I'm not vomiting over having him or anything. I just remember that pick took me the longest cause he was the best VBD for me at that point and I just really really didn't want to pick him. But there was literally nobody left at that point that I felt better drafting in the slot. I mean my WRs are Colston, Brown, Thompkins, Tavon (Return Yards league), Shorts and M. Williams in a start 3 WR league. So I'm probably fine. I just don't really like having Brown as my likely WR2. But in reality he may end up seeing the bench in favor of Shorts/Williams/Thompkins sooner rather than later as I like all of their situations better right now.

I just want nothing to do with the Steelers offense for fantasy this season... especially if Bell ends up being out for a significant amount of time.

Im not sure Bell can even help them. The main issue looks to be their offensive line. Bell doesn't strike me as the type of back that can overcome a poor offensive line.

The pass blocking is the main issue with the OL, not the run blocking. Also, this is basically the same OL as last year, except Mike Adams has shown enough to move from RT to LT, and they get 1st round pick DeCastro back who missed essentially all of 2012. With that same OL last year, Roethlisberger was on pace for career numbers, at that was with it being the 1st year with Haley as OC.

Lot of overreaction here and other threads on the Steelers offense. Pass blocking is really my only concern, but Roeth's sack were down nearly 20% last year from the previous years.

Saw a graphic during the game and Pouncey was the only person in the same posistion. Maybe you can prove that graphic wrong.

 

[Spike]

I wonder why Brady chose not to make Brandon Tate, Jeremy Ebert, Taylor Price, Matt Slater, and Chad Jackson? Weird.

 

[Acrobat7]

The Steelers. Im avoiding the team in general in fantasy drafts. The majority of the players are overrated due to them being steelers. Watched the game yesterday and that team is aweful, primarily due to the offensive line imo.

Agree with this... I was more or less forced into taking Antonio Brown as a WR2 in my one redraft and it's literally the only player on my team that I look at and think "Man... I'm terrified about how this works". I just need to hope one of my sleepers actually hit in that league just incase

I think Brown is going a little early for my liking but I think he should be very serviceable as a WR2. I like Sanders value at his ADP as well. Steelers did look awful yesterday, but I think they'll do just fine and somebody has to be catching passes and it won't be Wallace or Miller.

Yeah... like I'm not vomiting over having him or anything. I just remember that pick took me the longest cause he was the best VBD for me at that point and I just really really didn't want to pick him. But there was literally nobody left at that point that I felt better drafting in the slot. I mean my WRs are Colston, Brown, Thompkins, Tavon (Return Yards league), Shorts and M. Williams in a start 3 WR league. So I'm probably fine. I just don't really like having Brown as my likely WR2. But in reality he may end up seeing the bench in favor of Shorts/Williams/Thompkins sooner rather than later as I like all of their situations better right now.

I just want nothing to do with the Steelers offense for fantasy this season... especially if Bell ends up being out for a significant amount of time.

Im not sure Bell can even help them. The main issue looks to be their offensive line. Bell doesn't strike me as the type of back that can overcome a poor offensive line.

The pass blocking is the main issue with the OL, not the run blocking. Also, this is basically the same OL as last year, except Mike Adams has shown enough to move from RT to LT, and they get 1st round pick DeCastro back who missed essentially all of 2012. With that same OL last year, Roethlisberger was on pace for career numbers, at that was with it being the 1st year with Haley as OC.

Lot of overreaction here and other threads on the Steelers offense. Pass blocking is really my only concern, but Roeth's sack were down nearly 20% last year from the previous years.

Saw a graphic during the game and Pouncey was the only person in the same posistion. Maybe you can prove that graphic wrong.

I can help you with the two he already mentioned: Adams from RT to LT and DeCastro is back.

 

[Spike]

Shane Vereen is going to be fantasy gold in PPR-think a faster younger Sproles in the up-tempo Pats offense. Basically, a WR playing RB.

Cordarelle Patterson is going to be huge in punt-return leagues. Think Cobb-like return skills with Julio-like WR skills.

Hopkins is the real thing-another Julio type WR build.

T. Y Hilton will rack up some major points especially in punt-return leagues.

Eddy Lacy is going to get some big running lanes.

I'm a Pats fan and found this funny. I cannot imagine how funny a non-Pats fan would find this.

 

[Spike]

I'm not sure if it's trolling or what, but Brady and the Pats have looked fantastic so far. That O-line is massive and done a great job. Amendola has a great QB throwing him the ball for once and looks like he could be a monster as long as he's healthy. I've read rave after rave about Brady from every expert/analyst that has watched him this preseason including some that I really respect.

I hate the Pats. I wish that Brady and the Pats looked ready to crap the bed. But that seems to be in direct contradiction to every piece of visual evidence available to this point.

Ridley will be top 10 in non PPR.

Watched him go #9 in a 12team .5ppr Sunday night.

Ridley?

Insanity.

 

[steveski]

Not very high on your team this year, Spike?

 

[PhantomJB]

David Wilson - I thought he a tendency to bounce every run outside but look good running inside vs Indy.

Ryan Mathews - I have never been high on him but must admit he has looked better this preseason.

I am also on the cusp of changing my mind on Mathews. My previous assumption was that he would yield all 3rd down work to Woodhead but if he keeps impressing it will be hard for McCoy to keep Mathews off the field (other than when he takes himself off of course which seems all too often).

 

[Bdog]

Welker, Gronk and Hernandez come to mind immediately.

Welker was an undrafted FA that did literal nothing before becoming a Patriot. Gronk was a 2nd Round pick and Hernandez was a 4th Rounder. So sure, Gronk had a decently expected estimated value. Welker though? No, Brady made Welker.

You are not a smart man, and most likely should not be allowed to post here.....

 

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Shane Vereen is going to be fantasy gold in PPR-think a faster younger Sproles in the up-tempo Pats offense. Basically, a WR playing RB.

I'm a Pats fan and found this funny. I cannot imagine how funny a non-Pats fan would find this.

Though I was surprised at these combine results:

4.47 vs 4.50 (40yd dash)

3.96 vs 4.28 (20 yd shuttle)

6.96 vs 6.95 (3 cone shuttle)

33" vs 34" (vertical Leap)

Sproles on the left... Vereen on the right