Weeden to start from Day One? (1 Viewer)

[Jason Wood]

You usually don't get such candid statements from a GM or coach, particularly this early in the preseason:

From Evan Silva on Twitter:

#Browns GM Heckert told ESPN's Bob Holtzman about 28-yr-old Brandon Weeden, "You don't take him if he's not going to start." So long, Colt.

Combine that with chatter that McCoy is being shopped today, and it looks like Weeden will be the man unless he completely flounders from Week One.

 

[Tickle Monster]

Chris Weinke 2.0

 

[NJDawgPound]

You usually don't get such candid statements from a GM or coach, particularly this early in the preseason:From Evan Silva on Twitter:#Browns GM Heckert told ESPN's Bob Holtzman about 28-yr-old Brandon Weeden, "You don't take him if he's not going to start." So long, Colt.Combine that with chatter that McCoy is being shopped today, and it looks like Weeden will be the man unless he completely flounders from Week One.

I know Brad Childress' stock is relatively low, but he's going to help Weeden out a great deal here.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

You usually don't get such candid statements from a GM or coach, particularly this early in the preseason:From Evan Silva on Twitter:#Browns GM Heckert told ESPN's Bob Holtzman about 28-yr-old Brandon Weeden, "You don't take him if he's not going to start." So long, Colt.Combine that with chatter that McCoy is being shopped today, and it looks like Weeden will be the man unless he completely flounders from Week One.

I know Brad Childress' stock is relatively low, but he's going to help Weeden out a great deal here.

His track record certainly speaks for itself.

 

[wadegarrett]

Chris Weinke 2.0

Kurt Warner 2.0

 

[rizzler]

makes perfect sense considering who we passed on to get him.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

Chris Weinke 2.0

 

[SmoovySmoov]

If he sat, he would have to retire before he got to play. Cause he's old.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

You usually don't get such candid statements from a GM or coach, particularly this early in the preseason:From Evan Silva on Twitter:#Browns GM Heckert told ESPN's Bob Holtzman about 28-yr-old Brandon Weeden, "You don't take him if he's not going to start." So long, Colt.Combine that with chatter that McCoy is being shopped today, and it looks like Weeden will be the man unless he completely flounders from Week One.

Tom Heckert says Weeden to start from Day One Wrong Jason.The tweet says "You don't take him if he's not going to start."Heckertt never said that he would start from day-one.He basically said if you take a QB in the first round he's going to start but he never gave a time table and he certainly never said he'd start from day-one.Weeden played in a spread and basically had no playbook.He's never played out of the pro-set.No rookie QB masters the WCO his first year. Sam Bradford was only just starting to feel comfortable at the end of his rookie season. Heckertt isn't the coach. He cannot possibly know when Weeden will be ready but he did not say he will start from day-one. He said he will start. Not much of a news item that I see from the comments and not nearly as incendary as the title of the post which should be changed to reflect his actual statements.

 

[Jason Wood]

You usually don't get such candid statements from a GM or coach, particularly this early in the preseason:From Evan Silva on Twitter:#Browns GM Heckert told ESPN's Bob Holtzman about 28-yr-old Brandon Weeden, "You don't take him if he's not going to start." So long, Colt.Combine that with chatter that McCoy is being shopped today, and it looks like Weeden will be the man unless he completely flounders from Week One.

Tom Heckert says Weeden to start from Day One Wrong Jason.The tweet says "You don't take him if he's not going to start."Heckertt never said that he would start from day-one.He basically said if you take a QB in the first round he's going to start but he never gave a time table and he certainly never said he'd start from day-one.Weeden played in a spread and basically had no playbook.He's never played out of the pro-set.No rookie QB masters the WCO his first year. Sam Bradford was only just starting to feel comfortable at the end of his rookie season. Heckertt isn't the coach. He cannot possibly know when Weeden will be ready but he did not say he will start from day-one. He said he will start. Not much of a news item that I see from the comments and not nearly as incendary as the title of the post which should be changed to reflect his actual statements.

He said you don't draft him if he's not going to start, and he's got McCoy on the trade block.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

You usually don't get such candid statements from a GM or coach, particularly this early in the preseason:From Evan Silva on Twitter:#Browns GM Heckert told ESPN's Bob Holtzman about 28-yr-old Brandon Weeden, "You don't take him if he's not going to start." So long, Colt.Combine that with chatter that McCoy is being shopped today, and it looks like Weeden will be the man unless he completely flounders from Week One.

Tom Heckert says Weeden to start from Day One Wrong Jason.The tweet says "You don't take him if he's not going to start."Heckertt never said that he would start from day-one.He basically said if you take a QB in the first round he's going to start but he never gave a time table and he certainly never said he'd start from day-one.Weeden played in a spread and basically had no playbook.He's never played out of the pro-set.No rookie QB masters the WCO his first year. Sam Bradford was only just starting to feel comfortable at the end of his rookie season. Heckertt isn't the coach. He cannot possibly know when Weeden will be ready but he did not say he will start from day-one. He said he will start. Not much of a news item that I see from the comments and not nearly as incendary as the title of the post which should be changed to reflect his actual statements.

He said you don't draft him if he's not going to start, and he's got McCoy on the trade block.

WAS IT OVER WHEN THE GERMANS BOMBED PEARL HARBOR!?

 

[Bracie Smathers]

You usually don't get such candid statements from a GM or coach, particularly this early in the preseason:From Evan Silva on Twitter:#Browns GM Heckert told ESPN's Bob Holtzman about 28-yr-old Brandon Weeden, "You don't take him if he's not going to start." So long, Colt.Combine that with chatter that McCoy is being shopped today, and it looks like Weeden will be the man unless he completely flounders from Week One.

Tom Heckert says Weeden to start from Day One Wrong Jason.The tweet says "You don't take him if he's not going to start."Heckertt never said that he would start from day-one.He basically said if you take a QB in the first round he's going to start but he never gave a time table and he certainly never said he'd start from day-one.Weeden played in a spread and basically had no playbook.He's never played out of the pro-set.No rookie QB masters the WCO his first year. Sam Bradford was only just starting to feel comfortable at the end of his rookie season. Heckertt isn't the coach. He cannot possibly know when Weeden will be ready but he did not say he will start from day-one. He said he will start. Not much of a news item that I see from the comments and not nearly as incendary as the title of the post which should be changed to reflect his actual statements.

He said you don't draft him if he's not going to start, and he's got McCoy on the trade block.

Don't make a leap in logic that a trade of McCoy means Weeden starts from day-one. Senneca Wallace has 9 years experience in the West Coast.Absolutely no reason to throw Weeden into the starting role if he isn't ready and Heckertt never said he was starting from day-one. He didn't so I am more puzzled by your

 

[Raiderfan32904]

If Seneca Wallace is your day one starter, may as well raise the white flag on 2012 Browns fans.

 

[BallparkFrank]

Weeden's good enough to make Cleveland pass catchers relevant again and that's all I care about. Teams that are fantasy black holes are zero fun!

 

[Bracie Smathers]

If Seneca Wallace is your day one starter, may as well raise the white flag on 2012 Browns fans.

And starting a rookie who may not be ready, a guy who never took a snap out of a pro-set and throwing him in a starter on a WCO and keeping a veteran who knows the offense is the correct thing eh?

 

[Andy Dufresne]

And starting a rookie who may not be ready, a guy who never took a snap out of a pro-set and throwing him in a starter on a WCO and keeping a veteran who knows the offense is the correct thing eh?

Yes. Absolutely.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

If Seneca Wallace is your day one starter, may as well raise the white flag on 2012 Browns fans.

And starting a rookie who may not be ready, a guy who never took a snap out of a pro-set and throwing him in a starter on a WCO and keeping a veteran who knows the offense is the correct thing eh?

If he's not ready day #1 to play in a pro-set, why on earth would you take him to groom him to take over into his 30's with a first round pick?

 

[cstu]

Chris Weinke 2.0

Kurt Warner 2.0

 

[Bracie Smathers]

If Seneca Wallace is your day one starter, may as well raise the white flag on 2012 Browns fans.

And starting a rookie who may not be ready, a guy who never took a snap out of a pro-set and throwing him in a starter on a WCO and keeping a veteran who knows the offense is the correct thing eh?

If he's not ready day #1 to play in a pro-set, why on earth would you take him to groom him to take over into his 30's with a first round pick?

Hey, look at the big brain on Brad.Yeah, that is the $1.98 question.Got an answer?I don't.

 

[Ron_Mexico]

Why is Cleveland so bent on trading McCoy ?

Do they have a better legit backup QB, or a better QB option who can challenge Weeden for the starting gig ?

 

[cstu]

Why is Cleveland so bent on trading McCoy ?

Do they have a better legit backup QB, or a better QB option who can challenge Weeden for the starting gig ?

Sell high?

 

[BallparkFrank]

Why is Cleveland so bent on trading McCoy ?Do they have a better legit backup QB, or a better QB option who can challenge Weeden for the starting gig ?

I think it's probably a combination of bridges have been burned and an unnecessary distraction with a dash of he's terrible.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Why is Cleveland so bent on trading McCoy ?Do they have a better legit backup QB, or a better QB option who can challenge Weeden for the starting gig ?

No one can say for certain and I won't speculate.I love Colt for his demeanor. Never said a jot against his situation or against the team when he had less to work with than any QB last year. Flake for a RB. Rookie and talent deficient WRs. Gaping holes on the O-Line. New head coach, no off-season to learn a new offense or work with rookie WRs.Having said that, he has no arm. Plain and simple he lacks a starting caliber NFL arm.Great kid, love him but he lacks a key ingredient to be an effective starter especially late in the season in Cleveland Ohio where the cold air drops weak armed throwns like a rock. Ed Reed and Troy P. were able to jump on any deep throws that Colt attempted late in the season. He barely got it out there early in the year when the weather was perfect and the ball had a bit more under it.Wallace has the arm but he's short and needs unobscured passing lanes.Weeden will need time, Wallace can provide some time but the book is known on Seneca, clog those passing lanes.Richardson will help.They will probably go with a field management type of attack till they can get grandpa Weeden ready to take over.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

If Seneca Wallace is your day one starter, may as well raise the white flag on 2012 Browns fans.

And starting a rookie who may not be ready, a guy who never took a snap out of a pro-set and throwing him in a starter on a WCO and keeping a veteran who knows the offense is the correct thing eh?

If he's not ready day #1 to play in a pro-set, why on earth would you take him to groom him to take over into his 30's with a first round pick?

Hey, look at the big brain on Brad.Yeah, that is the $1.98 question.Got an answer?I don't.

Yes you do. You just don't like it.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

If Seneca Wallace is your day one starter, may as well raise the white flag on 2012 Browns fans.

And starting a rookie who may not be ready, a guy who never took a snap out of a pro-set and throwing him in a starter on a WCO and keeping a veteran who knows the offense is the correct thing eh?

If he's not ready day #1 to play in a pro-set, why on earth would you take him to groom him to take over into his 30's with a first round pick?

Hey, look at the big brain on Brad.Yeah, that is the $1.98 question.Got an answer?I don't.

Yes you do. You just don't like it.

Wrong.Just didn't feel like casting bread on the waters.Weeden has the size and maturity that Wallace lacks and will never have and he's got the arm that McCoy lacks and will never have.Weeden has zero mobility/athleticism, something that both Colt and Seneca have in abundance.Weeden will need at least two years before he can master the West Coast. I'm confident he will be starting his rookie season at some time but no one said he is waltzing in and starting from day-one and Jason changed the title accordingly.Heckertt never said that and he never ever would say such a thing.If a starting NFL QB has so many years to start and has only so many productive years, meaning he isn't just a punching bag back there but is producing at a reasonably high level, then the point isn't just to get starts it is to get quality starts.Weeden has the ability to provide quality starts but he will need better protection and some WRs who can get cleaner seperation off the LOS. Richardson will help him emmensely on screens and dump-offs.If it takes him two full years before he can provide quality starts then he should have four solid starting years in the league. The catch is not just the wait to see if he ever does come up to speed but the killer is any opportunity cost in next year's draft because the Browns won't take a QB high unless he gets injured or completely washes out.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Wrong.Just didn't feel like casting bread on the waters.Weeden has the size and maturity that Wallace lacks and will never have and he's got the arm that McCoy lacks and will never have.Weeden has zero mobility/athleticism, something that both Colt and Seneca have in abundance.Weeden will need at least two years before he can master the West Coast. I'm confident he will be starting his rookie season at some time but no one said he is waltzing in and starting from day-one and Jason changed the title accordingly.Heckertt never said that and he never ever would say such a thing.If a starting NFL QB has so many years to start and has only so many productive years, meaning he isn't just a punching bag back there but is producing at a reasonably high level, then the point isn't just to get starts it is to get quality starts.Weeden has the ability to provide quality starts but he will need better protection and some WRs who can get cleaner seperation off the LOS. Richardson will help him emmensely on screens and dump-offs.If it takes him two full years before he can provide quality starts then he should have four solid starting years in the league. The catch is not just the wait to see if he ever does come up to speed but the killer is any opportunity cost in next year's draft because the Browns won't take a QB high unless he gets injured or completely washes out.

You're back to being the "gotcha" guy that I didn't like very much at the beginning of the draft season. You're making a big deal out of semantics. They drafted him to play and play immediately. He'll start right away whether you like it or not.

 

[Donnybrook]

What do the Brown's expect to get for Colt McCoy? What team would trade for him?

 

[GreatLakesMike]

Why is Cleveland so bent on trading McCoy ?

Do they have a better legit backup QB, or a better QB option who can challenge Weeden for the starting gig ?

No one can say for certain and I won't speculate.I love Colt for his demeanor. Never said a jot against his situation or against the team when he had less to work with than any QB last year. Flake for a RB. Rookie and talent deficient WRs. Gaping holes on the O-Line. New head coach, no off-season to learn a new offense or work with rookie WRs.

Having said that, he has no arm. Plain and simple he lacks a starting caliber NFL arm.

Great kid, love him but he lacks a key ingredient to be an effective starter especially late in the season in Cleveland Ohio where the cold air drops weak armed throwns like a rock.

Ed Reed and Troy P. were able to jump on any deep throws that Colt attempted late in the season. He barely got it out there early in the year when the weather was perfect and the ball had a bit more under it.

Wallace has the arm but he's short and needs unobscured passing lanes.

Weeden will need time, Wallace can provide some time but the book is known on Seneca, clog those passing lanes.

Richardson will help.

They will probably go with a field management type of attack till they can get grandpa Weeden ready to take over.

Don't forget the wind off the lake.

 

[identikit]

What do the Brown's expect to get for Colt McCoy? What team would trade for him?

Twitter rumors are Green Bay or Philly.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Wrong.Just didn't feel like casting bread on the waters.Weeden has the size and maturity that Wallace lacks and will never have and he's got the arm that McCoy lacks and will never have.Weeden has zero mobility/athleticism, something that both Colt and Seneca have in abundance.Weeden will need at least two years before he can master the West Coast. I'm confident he will be starting his rookie season at some time but no one said he is waltzing in and starting from day-one and Jason changed the title accordingly.Heckertt never said that and he never ever would say such a thing.If a starting NFL QB has so many years to start and has only so many productive years, meaning he isn't just a punching bag back there but is producing at a reasonably high level, then the point isn't just to get starts it is to get quality starts.Weeden has the ability to provide quality starts but he will need better protection and some WRs who can get cleaner seperation off the LOS. Richardson will help him emmensely on screens and dump-offs.If it takes him two full years before he can provide quality starts then he should have four solid starting years in the league. The catch is not just the wait to see if he ever does come up to speed but the killer is any opportunity cost in next year's draft because the Browns won't take a QB high unless he gets injured or completely washes out.

You're back to being the "gotcha" guy that I didn't like very much at the beginning of the draft season. You're making a big deal out of semantics. They drafted him to play and play immediately. He'll start right away whether you like it or not.

Andy, you keep track of grudges because I have no idea what you are harping on.The Browns are not going to start Weeden if he's not ready. Your take is that every Browns fan is terrified and cowering under beds because the Browns might start a rookie QB.Please.Browns fans have seen it all.Noting fazes us.If he starts from day-one I don't any fan really give a ####.Honestly.It doesn't make sense but you have some sort of agenda.

 

[Donnybrook]

What do the Brown's expect to get for Colt McCoy? What team would trade for him?

Twitter rumors are Green Bay or Philly.

I don't see it with all the QB prospects yet to be drafted.

 

[Jason Wood]

What do the Brown's expect to get for Colt McCoy? What team would trade for him?

We don't know for sure, but the Twitterati are saying they're hoping for a 6th or 7th rounder that might be conditional.

 

[Hang 10]

Why is Cleveland so bent on trading McCoy ?Do they have a better legit backup QB, or a better QB option who can challenge Weeden for the starting gig ?

Yeah, I don't really understand this at all. I can't imagine they're going to anything better than a 5th round pick for McCoy. So why not let Weeden compete and actually earn the starting position?

 

[nxmehta]

Chris Weinke 2.0

Kurt Warner 2.0

OTTO GRAHAM 2.0 MOTHER####ERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Shutout]

You usually don't get such candid statements from a GM or coach, particularly this early in the preseason:From Evan Silva on Twitter:#Browns GM Heckert told ESPN's Bob Holtzman about 28-yr-old Brandon Weeden, "You don't take him if he's not going to start." So long, Colt.Combine that with chatter that McCoy is being shopped today, and it looks like Weeden will be the man unless he completely flounders from Week One.

Tom Heckert says Weeden to start from Day One Wrong Jason.The tweet says "You don't take him if he's not going to start."Heckertt never said that he would start from day-one.He basically said if you take a QB in the first round he's going to start but he never gave a time table and he certainly never said he'd start from day-one.Weeden played in a spread and basically had no playbook.He's never played out of the pro-set.No rookie QB masters the WCO his first year. Sam Bradford was only just starting to feel comfortable at the end of his rookie season. Heckertt isn't the coach. He cannot possibly know when Weeden will be ready but he did not say he will start from day-one. He said he will start. Not much of a news item that I see from the comments and not nearly as incendary as the title of the post which should be changed to reflect his actual statements.

He said you don't draft him if he's not going to start, and he's got McCoy on the trade block.

Don't make a leap in logic that a trade of McCoy means Weeden starts from day-one. Senneca Wallace has 9 years experience in the West Coast.Absolutely no reason to throw Weeden into the starting role if he isn't ready and Heckertt never said he was starting from day-one. He didn't so I am more puzzled by your

You're THAT guy that likes to take your coupon up to the checkout girl, pull out your magnifying glass, stick the girl's nose in it, and try to make her give you the 1/20th of 1 cent cash value on it, aren't you?I mean, c'mon. Seriously. Asking Jason not to make a "leap to logic"? His thought makes ten times more sense than yours. Senneca wallace? They drafted AND played McCoy over Wallace every chance they got. They have known for years what they have in Wallace. So much they got Jake Delhomme and played him over him. Played mcCoy over him. Why would they trade McCoy and keep Wallace?No reason to start Weeden? You have a better idea? If the team was content to "take it slow" why on Earth would they A)draft the guy in the 1st round, B)draft a 28 year old if they thought it was ok to wait a few years? There is a reason they were trying to get into position to take RG III. There is a reason they are open to trading McCoy now. If they were ok to sit Weeden or any other QB, they would give McCoy another year. Holmgren has said himself, he likes to give a QB 32 starts before he makes a decision on them. McCoy doesn't have 32 yet so obviously they could have rode it out another year but likely already have their decision.This is a league where first rounders don't typically sit long at any age, not even when they have little experience like Sanchez, and certainly not when they are 28 and have a shortened window.Seriously, how does anything other than playing Weeden make sense on almost ay level?What is with your copulsion to shoot the messenger and belittle people who relay infromation instead of just having a nice discussion about it?

 

[Kleck]

Why not keep Colt and continue to develop him? When Weeden retires in 4-5 years, Colt should be ready to take over.

 

[Samuel L Bronkowitz]

What do the Brown's expect to get for Colt McCoy? What team would trade for him?

Twitter rumors are Green Bay or Philly.

I don't see it with all the QB prospects yet to be drafted.

Wisconsin media confirming Packers interest and that McCarthy liked McCoy over Bradford after their respective workouts in 2010.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

You usually don't get such candid statements from a GM or coach, particularly this early in the preseason:From Evan Silva on Twitter:#Browns GM Heckert told ESPN's Bob Holtzman about 28-yr-old Brandon Weeden, "You don't take him if he's not going to start." So long, Colt.Combine that with chatter that McCoy is being shopped today, and it looks like Weeden will be the man unless he completely flounders from Week One.

Tom Heckert says Weeden to start from Day One Wrong Jason.The tweet says "You don't take him if he's not going to start."Heckertt never said that he would start from day-one.He basically said if you take a QB in the first round he's going to start but he never gave a time table and he certainly never said he'd start from day-one.Weeden played in a spread and basically had no playbook.He's never played out of the pro-set.No rookie QB masters the WCO his first year. Sam Bradford was only just starting to feel comfortable at the end of his rookie season. Heckertt isn't the coach. He cannot possibly know when Weeden will be ready but he did not say he will start from day-one. He said he will start. Not much of a news item that I see from the comments and not nearly as incendary as the title of the post which should be changed to reflect his actual statements.

He said you don't draft him if he's not going to start, and he's got McCoy on the trade block.

Don't make a leap in logic that a trade of McCoy means Weeden starts from day-one. Senneca Wallace has 9 years experience in the West Coast.Absolutely no reason to throw Weeden into the starting role if he isn't ready and Heckertt never said he was starting from day-one. He didn't so I am more puzzled by your

You're THAT guy that likes to take your coupon up to the checkout girl, pull out your magnifying glass, stick the girl's nose in it, and try to make her give you the 1/20th of 1 cent cash value on it, aren't you?I mean, c'mon. Seriously. Asking Jason not to make a "leap to logic"? His thought makes ten times more sense than yours. Senneca wallace? They drafted AND played McCoy over Wallace every chance they got. They have known for years what they have in Wallace. So much they got Jake Delhomme and played him over him. Played mcCoy over him. Why would they trade McCoy and keep Wallace?No reason to start Weeden? You have a better idea? If the team was content to "take it slow" why on Earth would they A)draft the guy in the 1st round, B)draft a 28 year old if they thought it was ok to wait a few years? There is a reason they were trying to get into position to take RG III. There is a reason they are open to trading McCoy now. If they were ok to sit Weeden or any other QB, they would give McCoy another year. Holmgren has said himself, he likes to give a QB 32 starts before he makes a decision on them. McCoy doesn't have 32 yet so obviously they could have rode it out another year but likely already have their decision.This is a league where first rounders don't typically sit long at any age, not even when they have little experience like Sanchez, and certainly not when they are 28 and have a shortened window.Seriously, how does anything other than playing Weeden make sense on almost ay level?What is with your copulsion to shoot the messenger and belittle people who relay infromation instead of just having a nice discussion about it?

Heckett is the GM.Lener is the owner.Holmgren is the president.Shurmur is the head coach.Heckertt runs the personnel side.Lerner owns the team.Holmgren oversees the operation and is the gatekeeper.Shurmur coaches.Lerned says what he wants and he rarely wants to say anything.Holmgren doesn't speak to the Cleveland media unless he absolutely has to.Heckertt doesn't speak unless he has to and then offers little.Shurmur has to speak a lot but doesn't say much.Heckertt's baliwick is not to tell the media who is going to start and he would never say when a player will start and he did not say that.If Heckertt had said that Weeden would start from day-one then it would have been big news.Overstepping his authority is something that Tom Heckertt would never do and a quick check on the tweet showed that he did not say that Brandon Weeden would start from day-one.I'm sure it is the intention of everyone involved in the pick including, the owner, president, GM, and HC, that Weeden will be the starter from day-one and that they will do everything in their power to make it so for obvious reasons but no one said that.If you or Andy say something, who cares? No one.If someone claims an NFL GM said something that he did not which would overstep their authority then people would want the truth.

 

[houndirish]

If Seneca Wallace is your day one starter, may as well raise the white flag on 2012 Browns fans.

And starting a rookie who may not be ready, a guy who never took a snap out of a pro-set and throwing him in a starter on a WCO and keeping a veteran who knows the offense is the correct thing eh?

If he's not ready day #1 to play in a pro-set, why on earth would you take him to groom him to take over into his 30's with a first round pick?

Hey, look at the big brain on Brad.Yeah, that is the $1.98 question.

Got an answer?

I don't.

Yes you do. You just don't like it.

Wrong.Just didn't feel like casting bread on the waters.

Weeden has the size and maturity that Wallace lacks and will never have and he's got the arm that McCoy lacks and will never have.

Weeden has zero mobility/athleticism, something that both Colt and Seneca have in abundance.

Weeden will need at least two years before he can master the West Coast. I'm confident he will be starting his rookie season at some time but no one said he is waltzing in and starting from day-one and Jason changed the title accordingly.

Heckertt never said that and he never ever would say such a thing.

If a starting NFL QB has so many years to start and has only so many productive years, meaning he isn't just a punching bag back there but is producing at a reasonably high level, then the point isn't just to get starts it is to get quality starts.

Weeden has the ability to provide quality starts but he will need better protection and some WRs who can get cleaner seperation off the LOS. Richardson will help him emmensely on screens and dump-offs.

If it takes him two full years before he can provide quality starts then he should have four solid starting years in the league.

The catch is not just the wait to see if he ever does come up to speed but the killer is any opportunity cost in next year's draft because the Browns won't take a QB high unless he gets injured or completely washes out.

I don't think it's going to take 2 years to learn how to take a snap from center and hand off to Trent Richardson.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

I don't think it's going to take 2 years to learn how to take a snap from center and hand off to Trent Richardson.

Two years to master the WCO, if he can.If they only wanted a punching bag to hand off to Richardson they would have kept McCoy and drafted DeCastro or Rief.Holmgren hand picked Shurmur to run the WCO in Cleveland. Holmgren had to switch over his defense last year from a 3-4 to a 4-3.This is the first year the team has been able to address the offense with its first pick.Weeden would likely have been available later.They have plans for Weeden to do more than hand-off to Richardson.Check past quotes by Holmgren on how sold he is on the West Coast and how long it takes a QB to get up to speed and you'll find he thinks that it takes two years before they really get it.

 

[imagroid]

If they only wanted a punching bag to hand off to Richardson they would have kept McCoy and drafted DeCastro or Rief.

maybe they wanted a guy that can throw more than 15 yds downfield.

 

[houndirish]

I don't think it's going to take 2 years to learn how to take a snap from center and hand off to Trent Richardson.

Two years to master the WCO, if he can.If they only wanted a punching bag to hand off to Richardson they would have kept McCoy and drafted DeCastro or Rief.Holmgren hand picked Shurmur to run the WCO in Cleveland. Holmgren had to switch over his defense last year from a 3-4 to a 4-3.This is the first year the team has been able to address the offense with its first pick.Weeden would likely have been available later.They have plans for Weeden to do more than hand-off to Richardson.Check past quotes by Holmgren on how sold he is on the West Coast and how long it takes a QB to get up to speed and you'll find he thinks that it takes two years before they really get it.

I'm not debating the notion that Cleveland wants to run a WCO. My point is simple. The Browns just drafted a highly regarded RB that will start week 1 of his rookie season and make an immediate impact. Because of his ability to be a bellcow RB they have the luxury of starting Weeden immediately as it'll be Richardson, not Weeden, who will bear the burden of carrying the Browns offense. I know I didn't explain it to that degree in my post but I figured my approach was somewhat easily interpreted. The Browns could draft Helen Keller and have her start at QB this year. It still isn't going to change the offensive philosophy.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Yep. NOW I remember why he was on ignore.

 

[Donnybrook]

What do the Brown's expect to get for Colt McCoy? What team would trade for him?

Twitter rumors are Green Bay or Philly.

I don't see it with all the QB prospects yet to be drafted.

Wisconsin media confirming Packers interest and that McCarthy liked McCoy over Bradford after their respective workouts in 2010.

McCarthy liked McCoy over Bradford but he couldn't convince Ted to use a 3rd round pick on him in the 2010 draft. Interesting. Maybe he has changed his mind since then.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

... I'm not debating the notion that Cleveland wants to run a WCO. My point is simple. The Browns just drafted a highly regarded RB that will start week 1 of his rookie season and make an immediate impact. Because of his ability to be a bellcow RB they have the luxury of starting Weeden immediately as it'll be Richardson, not Weeden, who will bear the burden of carrying the Browns offense. I know I didn't explain it to that degree in my post but I figured my approach was somewhat easily interpreted. The Browns could draft Helen Keller and have her start at QB this year. It still isn't going to change the offensive philosophy.

I acknowledge your take that since the Browns drafted a stud RB he will start and they will run the ball. Didn't think I said anything about a RB so I wasn't disputing your take.You don't dispute Holmgren has invested two years in a hand selected WCO HC, last year he oversaw a draft where he got a WR to fit the WCO. We just a first round where they took a QB. The WCO has changed over the years from Bill Walsh's short-route and split-back system with a FB and RB who were reffered to as flat-backs as they would either help protect the edges r would go out on flat-routes. Holmgren's version of the WCO incorporated multiples but you are right if he took Richardson and considering the Browns lack WRs to run multiples they will probably go old school WCO.The 86 Bears defense forced a change from certain aspects of the WCO.It will be fun to see what they can do with Richardson but my take is also simple.Holmgren wants a WCO that can do as much as possible. So even if it starts out bland in the begining the intention in taking a QB in the first round is to have him get up to speed and bring in as many compoents as possible so in the future the offense could morph into a more Homlmgren-like version of the WCO.Can we agree that we both can be right?

 

[QuizGuy66]

I think they should give the kid a few years before settling him in as the starter.

-QG

 

[Sabertooth]

What do the Brown's expect to get for Colt McCoy? What team would trade for him?

Twitter rumors are Green Bay or Philly.

I don't see it with all the QB prospects yet to be drafted.

Wisconsin media confirming Packers interest and that McCarthy liked McCoy over Bradford after their respective workouts in 2010.

He also liked Alex Smith over Aaron Rodgers.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

If Seneca Wallace is your day one starter, may as well raise the white flag on 2012 Browns fans.

And starting a rookie who may not be ready, a guy who never took a snap out of a pro-set and throwing him in a starter on a WCO and keeping a veteran who knows the offense is the correct thing eh?

If he's not ready day #1 to play in a pro-set, why on earth would you take him to groom him to take over into his 30's with a first round pick?

It's Mike Holmgren. And the Browns. I fully expect this to be a fiasco.

 

[amnesiac]

he'll probably start day one.

i don't believe they would have taken Weeden if they thought it would take him 2 years to learn the WCO.

 

[massraider]

he'll probably start day one. i don't believe they would have taken Weeden if they thought it would take him 2 years to learn the WCO.

What team takes a 1st rounder to sit him for two years? Has it happened in any of our lifetimes?Weeden will start. Maybe not week one, but by week 6 at the latest. Unless he really sucks. But only early games. The early bird special at Country Buffet ends at 6.