Neal Cassady
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I’d play Indy
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Week 17 2024 who should I start thread **OFFICIALLY OFFICIAL** CHAMPIONSHIP EDITION! (1 Viewer)
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Doug B
Footballguy
Been trying to figure out why CBS Sportsline Fantasy has been consistently rating Baker Mayfield way ahead of Goff in recent weeks.
I've got both available in my title game. Mayfield hosting Carolina Sunday at noon, Goff traveling to SF on Monday night. Standard scoring for passers except 5-pt passing TDs and no deduction for interceptions.
I know fantasy-site scoring predictions are thought to be garbage. But why does CBS have Goff at 17.7 and Mayfield at 23.3? That's a big spread, not a pick-em. CBS has predicted them at a similar split the last two weeks, and Goff bested Mayfield's score both times (by a ton Week 15). And Mayfield, last week, started slow and had to have a furious second half to put up a decent FF score in our league.
Is starting Goff an easy no-brainer here, with him being so hot lately? Or is there a good argument for starting Mayfield? Will the "Detroit wants revenge" factor matter more than Monday night weather in the Bay (or is it not as big a thing for football in Santa Clara as it once was for baseball in Candlestick? @Eephus )?
Doug B
Footballguy
Same. Chase Brown looks special to me. He's gone over 100 yards from scrimmage five of the last six games, and had scored in six of seven going into Week 15 (11 TDs since week 4). Brown's also good for 3-5 catches most weeks.
EDIT: I like McLaurin, but I guess I got burned in recent years by how often he'd disappear in games. I realize, academically, that it's been a whole new world with Daniels under center ... but I can never seem to quite accept McLaurin back into the "must start" tier of players. Just looking at stats, I know I'm wrong about McLaurin in 2024. Still would start Brown without hesitation over McLaurin if I were choosing strictly between those two.
FairWarning
Footballguy
Weather will be an issue in Cleveland also, 80% of rain.
FairWarning
Footballguy
I would start Mayfield because of the Carolina D.
FairWarning
Footballguy
Yes I would
I think its basically impossible to sit Brown or McLaurin regardless of matchups right now. Sutton is solid, but he's not on the same level in my opinion.
There is honestly not a single defense I'd start over Indy this week. Giants are playing for the #1 pick, and both Nabers and Tracy sound like game time decisions.
I trust Caleb a lot more than Young.
I think either flex option is fine, I like both matchups. Probably lean Pollard as he had 124 yards against the Jags 3 weeks ago. He feels like the higher floor option.
Evans is a lock to me, especially given the non-PPR. Ilean toward JSN and McConkey as the other 2 options. Kupp could always catch a TD, but he's been awfully uninvolved of late, and London is lower upside option than Ladd to me.
He'll likely be inefficient, but I think Dowdle is the pick. Spears has been a little boosted by garbage time the last 2 weeks, and garbage time doesn't exist against the Jags.
Tough to sit Tracy if he's active, but that's in question. If he's out, I like White against the NFL's worst run D.
Optimizer
Footballguy
PPR league
Start 2 out of these 3:
Breece Hall (@Buf) seems to have lost some explosiveness
Jameson Williams (@SF) Home run or mostly bust
Deebo Samuel (vs.DET) disappointed most of year, except last week
I am a slight underdog this week. I also have all the AZ RB's Conner/Benson/Carter, so if Conner plays I will play him ahead of one of the above.
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Start 2 out of these 3:
Breece Hall (@Buf) seems to have lost some explosiveness
Jameson Williams (@SF) Home run or mostly bust
Deebo Samuel (vs.DET) disappointed most of year, except last week
I am a slight underdog this week. I also have all the AZ RB's Conner/Benson/Carter, so if Conner plays I will play him ahead of one of the above.
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I'd go Addison. Just the best p[assing game, and the matchup isn't that bad.
I like McLaurin here. I'm starting him over Lamb in my dynasty league.
I lean ever so slightly to McConkey here. Best QB, solid matchup, arguably just best player too.
I'd go Hill at flex. Williams is very boom/bust, and other than 1 game, Hill has been pretty consistent since Tua came back, even in lower yardage weeks he's had a TD.
Hockenson would be my TE. I would prefer to avoid DTR if I can help it.
Great choices of D. I lean Indy, as NYG could be down both Nabers/Tracy.
I also lean toward the kicker playing indoors.
I lean Nix here. I could see the Lions being a lot more run heavy against the 49ers. Denver will need to pass to keep up.
I think Darnold has earned the start. He's been mostly matchup proof, after a brief midseason funk.
Can't argue with who you are starting. I think Conner plays so the bench options aren't really compelling.
I think Nix would be my QB pick. Just feels like a higher scoring game in general.
I'd go Shakir and Mooney, they've been the ones who got you here, and neither matchup is bad.
I'd go Caleb over Stafford. Maybe its been playing in the cold outdoors, but the Rams pass game has been off the last 2 weeks, and I would prefer to not trust anyone other than Puka in it.
Much rather start the Raiders than the Saints. Saints offense is a mess.
I like Love in a shootout script.
WR is close to a toss up. I'd lean Meyers as we know who his QB is, and is indoors.
Charbonnet is the clear call at flex.
Lamb and JSN are auto starts in my opinion, given the PPR scoring. If he plays, I'd go Nabers, but if he's out I'd pivot to London by a hair.
Ferg might be the play with Lamb out.
STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
Lamb out I’m in dire need of a WR.
Brandon Cooks or Ryan Flournoy? Flournoy they like and maybe they see what they have with him over the veteran Cooks?
Bunch of Washington receivers not named Terry are available.
Brandon Cooks or Ryan Flournoy? Flournoy they like and maybe they see what they have with him over the veteran Cooks?
Bunch of Washington receivers not named Terry are available.
FairWarning
Footballguy
Young or Stafford
Might go with Young. Something just isn't right with Rams passing game.
FairWarning
Footballguy
Lamb out I’m in dire need of a WR.
Brandon Cooks or Ryan Flournoy? Flournoy they like and maybe they see what they have with him over the veteran Cooks?
Bunch of Washington receivers not named Terry are available.
Zaccheaus maybe?Lamb out I’m in dire need of a WR.
Brandon Cooks or Ryan Flournoy? Flournoy they like and maybe they see what they have with him over the veteran Cooks?
Bunch of Washington receivers not named Terry are available.
need2know
Footballguy
Sutton
Chaka
Footballguy
Mayfield has been great this year. It's a plus matchup too. I just think, with all the injuries in defense and losing Monty, the Lions are going to have to score a lot (something they're good at) and the offense is going to run through Goff more than when the D was healthy and Monty was killing clock.
I have zero concerns Campbell starts resting players in week 17.
Chaka
Footballguy
Wind is a bigger concern to me than rain.
Chaka
Footballguy
Whelp that decision is now easy.
STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
Lamb out I’m in dire need of a WR.
Brandon Cooks or Ryan Flournoy? Flournoy they like and maybe they see what they have with him over the veteran Cooks?
Bunch of Washington receivers not named Terry are available.
Zaccheaus maybe?Lamb out I’m in dire need of a WR.
Brandon Cooks or Ryan Flournoy? Flournoy they like and maybe they see what they have with him over the veteran Cooks?
Bunch of Washington receivers not named Terry are available.
He’s available. Might grab him or Vele.
Sliiiim pickins
themeistersinger
Footballguy
Note McLaurin is Q with an ankle - DNP on Wed, and LP on Thursday.
CeeDee Lamb has been ruled out for this week.
themeistersinger
Footballguy
Full PPR. Pick 3 RBs
Bucky Irving vs Panthers (32nd vs RB) Not on the injury report. Sunday 1 PM start
Chase Brown vs Broncos (15th vs RB) Not on the injury report. Saturday 4:30 PM start
Jonathan Taylor at NY Giants (28th vs RB) Not on the injury report. Sunday 1 PM start. QB Anthony Richardson was DNP Wed and Thu.
Jerome Ford vs Dolphins (13th vs RB) Not on the injury report. Sunday 4:30 PM start
James Conner at LA Rams (17th vs RB) Questionable with a Knee. LP Tue, Wed and Thu. Saturday 8 PM start. His main backup Trey Benson was also LP all 3 days. Cardinals have been eliminated from playoffs, but would probably enjoy playing spoiler to the division rival Rams.
Bucky Irving vs Panthers (32nd vs RB) Not on the injury report. Sunday 1 PM start
Chase Brown vs Broncos (15th vs RB) Not on the injury report. Saturday 4:30 PM start
Jonathan Taylor at NY Giants (28th vs RB) Not on the injury report. Sunday 1 PM start. QB Anthony Richardson was DNP Wed and Thu.
Jerome Ford vs Dolphins (13th vs RB) Not on the injury report. Sunday 4:30 PM start
James Conner at LA Rams (17th vs RB) Questionable with a Knee. LP Tue, Wed and Thu. Saturday 8 PM start. His main backup Trey Benson was also LP all 3 days. Cardinals have been eliminated from playoffs, but would probably enjoy playing spoiler to the division rival Rams.
STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
Makes me feel slightly better about my Zaccheaus addition.
Chaka
Footballguy
Chase, JT & Irving with zero hesitation.
I'm not counting on weekly 66 yard carries from Ford against 11 man boxes.
I love Conner but he's dinged and that team is spiraling.
Personally going with the guys who have something to play for.
Largent
Footballguy
this is going to be a coin toss for me - right now feeling the Lion situation is a higher floor without a doubt.
Assuming J. Hurts is out, which fill in?
* B. Young @ TB -- Young has been on a roll. TB pass D pretty terrible while run D tough so this could be on Bryce. Played well in the last matchup against TB and is running the ball more.
or
* M. Stafford vs AZ -- Good matchup. Would think there's a solid floor here, but McVay seems more content running the ball lately vs. airing it out. Hard to sit with Puka and Kupp.
Which?
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* B. Young @ TB -- Young has been on a roll. TB pass D pretty terrible while run D tough so this could be on Bryce. Played well in the last matchup against TB and is running the ball more.
or
* M. Stafford vs AZ -- Good matchup. Would think there's a solid floor here, but McVay seems more content running the ball lately vs. airing it out. Hard to sit with Puka and Kupp.
Which?
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Chaka
Footballguy
As always with your questions, I definitely get it. And, as always with my answers I think you know where I'll land.
Stafford
Same floor, massively different ceilings IMO.
Doesn't make it the right choice. It's just where I land philosophically.
Chaka
Footballguy
I would start him over Dowdle personally. Dowdle had a very nice run against some cream puff teams. I see nothing good about facing a Philly defense that may be bringing some extra juice 1) after last week & 2) the possible absence of Hurts & Brown.
Yeah, do we start him over R White or Tyjae Spears?
Golden Gopher
Footballguy
Full PPR. Start SIX total (1-3 RB, and 3-5 WR).
*Questionable
Charbonnet SEA @ CHI - Started
Hunt KC @ PIT - Bench
* Conner ARI @ LAR... Sat Evening
Bij Robinson ATL @ WAS... Sun Evening
Bri Robinson WAS vs ATL... Sun Evening
* Adams NYJ @ BUF... Sun AM
* A Brown PHI vs DAL... Sun AM
* Higgins CIN vs DEN... Sat Afternoon
Reed GB @ MIN... Sun Afternoon
Shakir BUF vs NYJ... Sun AM
D Smith PHI vs DAL... Sun AM
So, I've currently got the guys in bold slotted into my lineup. Charbs and Hunt are a done deal... One in, one out. Pulled Devonte Smith out for Charbs last night when I saw that most of my currently lineup is questionable. Because here's the thing this time of year.... With so many games starting at different times (and on different days), you really can't afford to leave guaranteed points on the bench when other guys may or may not play. So, my strategy is to play the early guys (Conner if active, and then Higgins) and pivot from there as needed. I don't see a huge difference in projections between Conner/Higgins versus Smith/Shakir/BriRob, so it feels like a "better safe than sorry" scenario. And, frankly, I just don't trust Reed, as much as I like him as a player. Just not enough consistent touches.
My "pivots" would be (somewhat in this order)... Bri Robinson, Shakir, D Smith, Reed.
Anything look glaringly wrong with that approach? Anybody I have in bold that you would absolutely bench, or anybody not in bold that is a "must start?"
*Questionable
Charbonnet SEA @ CHI - Started
Hunt KC @ PIT - Bench
* Conner ARI @ LAR... Sat Evening
Bij Robinson ATL @ WAS... Sun Evening
Bri Robinson WAS vs ATL... Sun Evening
* Adams NYJ @ BUF... Sun AM
* A Brown PHI vs DAL... Sun AM
* Higgins CIN vs DEN... Sat Afternoon
Reed GB @ MIN... Sun Afternoon
Shakir BUF vs NYJ... Sun AM
D Smith PHI vs DAL... Sun AM
So, I've currently got the guys in bold slotted into my lineup. Charbs and Hunt are a done deal... One in, one out. Pulled Devonte Smith out for Charbs last night when I saw that most of my currently lineup is questionable. Because here's the thing this time of year.... With so many games starting at different times (and on different days), you really can't afford to leave guaranteed points on the bench when other guys may or may not play. So, my strategy is to play the early guys (Conner if active, and then Higgins) and pivot from there as needed. I don't see a huge difference in projections between Conner/Higgins versus Smith/Shakir/BriRob, so it feels like a "better safe than sorry" scenario. And, frankly, I just don't trust Reed, as much as I like him as a player. Just not enough consistent touches.
My "pivots" would be (somewhat in this order)... Bri Robinson, Shakir, D Smith, Reed.
Anything look glaringly wrong with that approach? Anybody I have in bold that you would absolutely bench, or anybody not in bold that is a "must start?"
Bryce for me. Better matchup and has rushing upside.
zamboni
Footballguy
PPR flex (need two):
Cook vs Jets
McLaurin vs Falcons
Spears (if Pollard sits) @ Jags
If Pollard plays, it’s moot, but if it’s Spears’ backfield, I may be leaning him over Terry. Maybe I’m overthinking it, but would rather have guaranteed touches from an RB that should also catch some passes. Also may be raining in D.C. Sunday night in a run game heavy script.
Cook vs Jets
McLaurin vs Falcons
Spears (if Pollard sits) @ Jags
If Pollard plays, it’s moot, but if it’s Spears’ backfield, I may be leaning him over Terry. Maybe I’m overthinking it, but would rather have guaranteed touches from an RB that should also catch some passes. Also may be raining in D.C. Sunday night in a run game heavy script.
Interesting. Not what I expected!
I just wonder if the LAR will really have to throw much in this one. AZ could be checked out at this point.
Have a feeling that Bryce will have to air it out to keep up with TB.
It's a tough one.
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Golden Gopher
Footballguy
No PPR. No TE required. Start two of these three WR/TE's....
Jonnu Smith MIA @ CLE
McBride ARI @ LAR
Deebo SF vs DET
Last week, Deebo was heavily involved in the offense and outscored McBride and Jonnu (combined) 18-8. The problem is that he wasn't used like that most of the year (and I'm sure health played a part in that). So, of course, Deebo was on my bench last week, and I'm now playing for 3rd place.
McBride is a target/PPR monster, but the lack of TD's really limits his upside in this format. Still, he's due for a TD, right? How long can we say that?
Jonnu has pretty solid the last half of the season, and has actually outscored McBride 116-102 in this format (due to the 6-0 advantage in TD's).
Jonnu Smith MIA @ CLE
McBride ARI @ LAR
Deebo SF vs DET
Last week, Deebo was heavily involved in the offense and outscored McBride and Jonnu (combined) 18-8. The problem is that he wasn't used like that most of the year (and I'm sure health played a part in that). So, of course, Deebo was on my bench last week, and I'm now playing for 3rd place.
McBride is a target/PPR monster, but the lack of TD's really limits his upside in this format. Still, he's due for a TD, right? How long can we say that?
Jonnu has pretty solid the last half of the season, and has actually outscored McBride 116-102 in this format (due to the 6-0 advantage in TD's).
PPR league. Need 3 of the following. Usually wouldn't have much question on these, but a couple usual starters have question marks:
* J. Conner @LAR -- Apparently is expected to play. But how much? Not sure if T. Benson is going to be active.
* T. Tracy vs INDY -- Expected to play. Has been questionable. Getting check downs from Lock. Ceiling clearly limited.
* T. Spears @Jax -- He's been on fire while Pollard has been banged up. Pollard with three DNPs this week, same as last, so he'll probably play. Good matchup.
* C. Kupp vs AZ -- Two duds in a row. LAR running the ball. Seems like a far 2nd fiddle to Puka. Hardly seems like he's part of the game plan.
* T. Hill @CLE -- Has salvaged his day with a TD here and there. Waddle expected back. Seems like the Achane show. Weather looks lousy in CLE with rain and wind.
Which 3?
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* J. Conner @LAR -- Apparently is expected to play. But how much? Not sure if T. Benson is going to be active.
* T. Tracy vs INDY -- Expected to play. Has been questionable. Getting check downs from Lock. Ceiling clearly limited.
* T. Spears @Jax -- He's been on fire while Pollard has been banged up. Pollard with three DNPs this week, same as last, so he'll probably play. Good matchup.
* C. Kupp vs AZ -- Two duds in a row. LAR running the ball. Seems like a far 2nd fiddle to Puka. Hardly seems like he's part of the game plan.
* T. Hill @CLE -- Has salvaged his day with a TD here and there. Waddle expected back. Seems like the Achane show. Weather looks lousy in CLE with rain and wind.
Which 3?
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Chaka
Footballguy
It's bizarre that this is a legitimate question. But it definitely is.
I think McMillan may be the right call here. Bottom line is they have a better offense. Most metrics for them and their opponents are close enough to be negligible statistically.
The Bucs score more than the Rams. That feels like the bottom line to me.
Chaka
Footballguy
Breece definitely hasn't looked like Breece. Then again the Buffalo defense suddenly kinda sucks.
That being said I think I go with the guy in the #1 scoring offense in the league and the guy facing that offense that also has a seriously depleted defense. Also, the Niners really committed to getting Deebo involved last week to great effect. I think that gameplan sticks. I have similar feelings about Jameson.
Deebo & Jameson.
To be clear all of these options are pretty much gut calls.
Chaka
Footballguy
If I saw this yesterday I might have said Geno. Lucky you.
I canake an argument for Bryce. He's surging, the Bucs defense is weak and their offense can put pressure on opponents.
Earlier I told @kyoun1e that I lean Stafford but, I am starting to reconsider. I think, ultimately I am constrained by history more than the present. Bryce Young was the #1 pick for a reason. He may not be much bigger than Taylor Swift but, if the game has suddenly slowed down for him... he could be a version of Drew Brees. And the Bucs are a massive pass funnel defense to boot.
Yeah, I might go with Young at this point.
Chaka
Footballguy
Was CeeDee shut down when you posted this (too lazy to move my eyes up)?
I mean, if you're playing in a PPR format Ferguson could see 15 targets at this point. Kraft will see five in a good day.
Chaka
Footballguy
In full PPR I can see Wan'Dale. I don't love either option and I think Wan'Dale is more likely a 7-54-0 guy with an emphasis on the Zero. Tyjae apparently has much better TD upside.
I probably plug my nose and risk it with Tyjae.
Chaka
Footballguy
The first time I ever heard of Ryan Floorwax was this post. Literally, not figuratively.Lamb out I’m in dire need of a WR.
Brandon Cooks or Ryan Flournoy? Flournoy they like and maybe they see what they have with him over the veteran Cooks?
Bunch of Washington receivers not named Terry are available.
So...
Go Floorwax!!!?!?1!?
Chaka
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