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Wes Welker goes down with bad knee injury (1 Viewer)
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steviey
Footballguy
I am sure it has happened in practice but I would also think that the most likely place an NFL player is going to tear an ACL is during an actual live NFL game. Do you disagree?
Jimmy James
Footballguy
I am a bit statistics challenged (though I have taken and passed two college level statistics courses -- I take the issue seriously), but I really don't think that we can really put odds on something like that with the information we have. I will grant (and have granted) that I was over the top about normal activities injuring athletes, but I'm not sure I know enough about how the Patriots practice and how Welker behaves in practice to take too much of a position. I think lots more players get hurt in games, but the majority of NFL injuries are contact injuries. Even a lot of knee injuries like Palmer's and Big Ben's are contact. The bigger mystery is probably whether this was an injury due to a freak cut that would have never happened outside that one game, a decaying knee that was going out the next time there was any cut, or some sort of condition that was present in the knee today but may have been gone by Tuesday. I think my biggest issue is the idea that this supports teams tanking games. I think contact injuries do, but I obviously feel a lot differently about non-contact ones.
money.never.sleeps
Footballguy
time table on return? Have friend who's wanting to keeper welker as a gamble but seems he wont be viable till 2011
Jason Wood
Zoo York
Very unfortunate situation to be sure.
The Patriots had the unusual look of an easy out in the playoffs and this, IMHO, all but seals it.
The Patriots had the unusual look of an easy out in the playoffs and this, IMHO, all but seals it.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
You are on drugs if you think that Wes Welker is the second best player on the Patriots. He isn't even their second best player on offense!
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The Ref
Footballguy
I'm on drugs because I said that the player who just set the NFL all time record for receptions per game is ARGUABLY the second best player on the team?I'd love to see what you would have to say to someone around here that wasn't making any actual sense.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Brady or Moss - who is Welker better than?
The Ref
Footballguy
He isn't better then Brady.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
So, Welker is better than Randy Moss? You really think that?
Are you going to pull out the "he has more catches and yards this year" argument? You do realize that Moss' presence is what allows Welker to always be open and making so many plays, right? I mean, if Welker is better than Moss, why didn't the Jets put Revis, the league's best corner, on Welker in the whole game to shut him down instead of Moss? Teams double and triple team Moss all of the time, which is what enables Welker (and Edelman today) to put up such a high number of catches. Let teams put the coverage like that on Welker and you would see Moss blowing up for ridiculous yardage every single week.
If you think Welker is better than Moss, that is your opinion, which you are entitled to, but I doubt many others think that. In fact, I would bet most NFL observers, while respecting the many tough catches Welker makes, would say that Moss, despite his rep for half-assing it sometimes, is easily the better player.
Are you going to pull out the "he has more catches and yards this year" argument? You do realize that Moss' presence is what allows Welker to always be open and making so many plays, right? I mean, if Welker is better than Moss, why didn't the Jets put Revis, the league's best corner, on Welker in the whole game to shut him down instead of Moss? Teams double and triple team Moss all of the time, which is what enables Welker (and Edelman today) to put up such a high number of catches. Let teams put the coverage like that on Welker and you would see Moss blowing up for ridiculous yardage every single week.
If you think Welker is better than Moss, that is your opinion, which you are entitled to, but I doubt many others think that. In fact, I would bet most NFL observers, while respecting the many tough catches Welker makes, would say that Moss, despite his rep for half-assing it sometimes, is easily the better player.
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Green and Gold
Footballguy
I doubt it. Maybe if he hurt himself in the fourth quarter or something, but most teams throw in their starters for at least a series or two whether their playoff position was sewn up or not.Capella said:
phthalatemagic
Footballguy
On Feb 3, Welker had successful knee surgery. Does anyone expect him to play in 2010? If not, he may not be in game ready until after he turns 30 years old. While he is a WR and he may not age like RBs do, he has probably taken a few extra hits than the typical WR, considering the routes he runs now and that he was a full time returner for Miami prior to NE (he returned kicks and punts 383 times so far). Has anyone else recovered from an injury like this as late as he has in his career?
zamboni
Footballguy
Hard to say how much time he'll miss, as it's only February, but my guess at this point is that he'll start the season on PUP.
The big question is how much lateral quickness he loses in his cuts, as that is obviously a big part of his game and what has brought him much success.
The big question is how much lateral quickness he loses in his cuts, as that is obviously a big part of his game and what has brought him much success.
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Todem
Footballguy
It will all be mental. Phyiscally he should make a full recovery as ACL MCL injuries have come a long way. It is all about his confidence to cut hard on the knee.
I expect Welker to play at some point next season...probably after coming off the PUP and be back to his old self by the end of the 2010 season.
It takes time and he will get there. It is just going to be a process.
I expect Welker to play at some point next season...probably after coming off the PUP and be back to his old self by the end of the 2010 season.
It takes time and he will get there. It is just going to be a process.
ChargersOH
Footballguy
Definitely.Especially for a small WR who makes his living on possession routes, and takes some brutal hits.Todem said:
Welker was a beast, but he may be done after this.
golfguy
Footballguy
i think welker come back just fine in the end. people are underestimating his drive and desire yet again.i see wes as the kind of player that will take this as serious motivation. who knows maybe he comes back stronger. i think he will be on PUP to start the season and i look for him to be solid weeks 11-16/17 if needed which can be a nice boost for fantasyand he will be back to 100% in 2011.
CommuterMan
Footballguy
It's not like Welker was injured on some hard tackle across the middle for which he would always have in the back of his head in future seasons. He hurt himself in the open field so there should be no concerns about a hit jarring bad memories. Welker does not have a history of injury so it is tough to evaluate how quickly he will recover but once he does I don't see him having any subconcious scaring from the injury.
D'OHtis
Footballguy
Bought little over month ago. Paid Manningham, Matt Moore & swap of 3rds. Thought it was a good price given I don't see Moore as a future starting fantasy QB or Manningham barring a Nicks/Smith injury.
That was a good price. Even if it doesn't pan out you aren't out much, low risk/high reward. You'll have to wait a couple of seasons maybe, I doubt he has any impact at all this coming year -- surgery in February, so even the most aggressive estimate wouldn't put him back on the field until November or so I think.
http://www.projo.com/patriots/content/Patr...v2.37d0b68.html
Moss will be back this fall, but Welker will likely be out until at least Thanksgiving as a result of his knee surgery. Edelman, like Stanback a former college QB (though he shows much more promise as a receiver), will have a full offseason to hone his craft and work on timing with Brady.
This was my thought as well, but it seems most are more optimistic than this assessment.
Moss will be back this fall, but Welker will likely be out until at least Thanksgiving as a result of his knee surgery. Edelman, like Stanback a former college QB (though he shows much more promise as a receiver), will have a full offseason to hone his craft and work on timing with Brady.
This was my thought as well, but it seems most are more optimistic than this assessment.
ChargersOH
Footballguy
It doesn't really matter if it was a hard hit or a turf injury. Any devastating injury will cause one to think about it.The bad knee will be in the back of his mind. How could it not be? It's not like he stubbed his toe here. It's tough for anyone to come back from a blown out knee. I'd guess it's tougher for a pure route runner who relies on cuts and cross routes like Welker doesI really hope the guy comes back and is the same player he always was. I think they can fix his knee to be as good as new. I also think he'll have to work through the doubts any injured player has.It's not like Welker was injured on some hard tackle across the middle for which he would always have in the back of his head in future seasons. He hurt himself in the open field so there should be no concerns about a hit jarring bad memories. Welker does not have a history of injury so it is tough to evaluate how quickly he will recover but once he does I don't see him having any subconcious scaring from the injury.
