DukeBroadway
Footballguy
I sadly have Kaepernick as my lone QB. I am about ready to cut bait and pick up Roethlisberger and/or Alex Smith/Eli Manning and just play match ups.
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What are Kaepernick owners doing? (1 Viewer)
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Ketamine Dreams
Footballguy
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
think one of them just fell past my window on the 20th floor
northwoods
Footballguy
He Gone!!! I'm dropping him this week to pick up a better alternative....the list of QB's season to date with more points is too long to ignore. 5 weeks is a trend...
zamboni
Footballguy
Lot of overreaction here.
Kaepernick is underperforming as a fantasy player since he hasn't had to chuck the ball much this year with his defense. But that shouldn't be too surprising - it was never Harbaugh's intention for him to throw the ball 35-40+ times a game, but just manage the game, control the clock and take off running when receivers weren't open.
Seems like that formula is still working. Kaep owners who drafted him shouldn't have expected a bombs-away game plan.
Kaepernick is underperforming as a fantasy player since he hasn't had to chuck the ball much this year with his defense. But that shouldn't be too surprising - it was never Harbaugh's intention for him to throw the ball 35-40+ times a game, but just manage the game, control the clock and take off running when receivers weren't open.
Seems like that formula is still working. Kaep owners who drafted him shouldn't have expected a bombs-away game plan.
Texican
Footballguy
zamboni
Footballguy
I don't disagree - not sure what the reason behind it is. Teams figuring out the read option, Gore swimming in the Fountain of Youth, or trying to protect Kaep from injury - or some combination of the three.
shadyridr
Footballguy
Not only the general rushing numbers but I think so far this year he's attempted zero runs inside the 5 and only one inside the 10 and very few passes to boot. So we've got a dual threat QB rarely getting used near the goal line. That's not typical but I don't know the 49'ers efficiency so maybe it's working for them.
Either way it's a disaster for fantasy. Tim Tebow changed the way I view QB's for fantasy because he was the worst passing QB I ever saw in the NFL and he was still solid at fantasy. So even with diminished weapons I felt like Kaepernick could do that as well.
Yup, I'm probably cutting ties this week unless I can convince someone to move me their 'backup' QB1 for 'potential'
Jimbo Slice
Footballguy
Vick and kap here. Burning my #2 ww priority to get foles in 14 teamer :(
In hindsight I should've stashed him earlier
Keith Lewis
Footballguy
Lots of idiocy in this thread. Any NFL team would take wins like the past two weeks where they blow out teams by running and stellar defense. Kaepernick hasn't done much in fantasy because he didn't need to for his team to absolutely destroy the competition. Kaepernick had two poor games this year against Seattle and Indy. Saying he is a bad QB is ignorant.
pollardsvision
Footballguy
I don't know that he's a bad QB, but I'd be real hesitant to think he could be successful on a team that needed him to throw the ball a lot to win.Keith Lewis said:
That long loopy motion just doesn't inspire much confidence in that.
Maybe it's not a problem, but the evidence this season isn't pointing to it.
The NFL has 3 types of QBs:
1. Studs that can efficiently and effectively chuck the ball all over the field week in and week out even though the defense knows it's coming.
2. Game managers that can't do that, but can win as long as they've got a great team around them.
3. Guys that just suck completely.
(There's also a 4th category of young'ens that run. Eventually, they'll have to find their way into one of the 3 categories though).
The difference between #2 and #3 is razor thin.
Kaep is almost certainly a #2.
That doesn't mean he sucks. For now. We'll find out when the 49ers can no longer win games without a big contribution from him.
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DocHolliday
Footballguy
Kaep works for what SF is doing. Kaep does not work for FF owners. I am going to drop him for anything available. That does not mean Kaep is a lousy QB. The kid wins more than he loses.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
playing next week with Ryan on BYE
Dropped him last week. Admittedly part of it was due to having same bye week as Stafford who I am starting (I know.... draft goof up on bye weeks). Picked up Alex Smith. Kaepernick had three (and now 4) straight weeks of poor performance. That is enough of a trend for me to part ways.
pollardsvision
Footballguy
You can be limited without being lousy (unless you play for a bad team.
Alex Smith has won 80% of his games over the last 3 seasons.
Jojo the circus boy
Footballguy
Only 3 QB's out of the top 30 by QB rating have a worse completion %, QB13 Vick (90.6R, 53.8%), QB26 Henne (73.2R, 55.8%), QB28 Weeden (69.2R, 54.5%)zamboni said:
which isn't saying much for Kaep (QB21 (81.9R, 56.1%) w/ only 6 TD for 4 Int's) being in "good company". Vick: 5/2, Henne 2/2, Weeden 2/3.
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Yes his accuracy is a major issue and I think they are making a mistake not letting him work it out. He's not that experienced. Barely played in the pre-season. Has a bunch of new WR's to work with. The whole passing game could all use more work together. If nothing else instead of turtling up it might be a good time to work on ironing out the kinks in the passing game for when you need it because in two games this year when they did need it they failed.
You've mentioned your concern about his throwing motion over and over again. As someone who has watched all his snaps, it has never struck me as a problem, and ever since his emergence last year I haven't heard any expert commentary about it. In fact, if you are curious, someone wrote an article (or at least blog post) about how he gets the ball to his receiver at least as fast as other top QBs. (This is not to say he hasn't had issues this season, but this stuff about his throwing motion is a red herring).
pollardsvision
Footballguy
Chachi
Footballguy
Kaepernick has now played 16 games. His best statistical games read as
Week 1 this year vs. Packers - 412/3TD/22 rush yards
Week 15 last year vs. Patriots - 218 pass/4TD/28 rush
Playoffs vs. Packers 263/2TD passing and 181 rushing/2TDS
Super Bowl vs. Ravens 302/1TD/ and 62/1TD rushing
These stats don't smell of a game manager. He has not put up great numbers since week 1 this year, he can be a game manager if the 49ers are blowing out the Texans, it will happen. It can also happen where he can be the #1 fantasy player in a given week, I don't believe you can say the same for a guy like Alex Smith or other "game managers".
Kaepernick has been hugely disappointing on my fantasy teams, I'm just not ready to start labeling him a game manager like you because I think it's not true or call him a bad QB like other posters have in this thread.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
Fantasy he's sucked, real life he's doing what the 49ers want right now. His QBR is 11th in the NFL this year, right behind Aaron Rodgers and ahead of Tom Brady.
Chachi
Footballguy
I can totally get on board with this, it's how I see it. It's perplexing how many in here are saying he's an awful NFL QB. It's probably the same guys who were inducting him into the HOF after week 1 vs. the Pack this year.
pollardsvision
Footballguy
True.
But I'll remain skeptical until we see what he does as a passer when teams aren't terrified of what he'll do on the ground.
Maybe the 49ers will unleash him as a runner again soon, but at the moment, they don't appear to want to use him that way, and it would make sense that would make the passing game more difficult on him.
He wouldn't be the first guy to come in to the league as a dangerous runner, have a lot of early success, then regress from there (not that I'm saying that's what'll happen).
There's still a lot about him as a QB we really just don't know yet.
Great decision on my part. Felt like I got out of jail when I finally had the cojones to bench Crappernick where he belongs right now. Better days are coming, but right now he is not start-worthy.
drummer
Footballguy
People have to put into account that the 49er offense is in a bit of transition with players and the learning curve of what they added into the playbook since they made the move to Kaep. It's no that Harbaugh and his staff have lost any confidence in Kaep as a passer. It's more like they don't have much confidence yet in some of his current targets.
Booting him into game manager mode doesn't mean his ceiling is a game manager either. It's a pretty steep climb to go from Smith to Kaep offensively as a whole, and all that takes time, and some talent around Kaep. For now, they are doing what works for them until they get some players back.
Booting him into game manager mode doesn't mean his ceiling is a game manager either. It's a pretty steep climb to go from Smith to Kaep offensively as a whole, and all that takes time, and some talent around Kaep. For now, they are doing what works for them until they get some players back.
Underachievers
Footballguy
I personally could not care less if the he almost led the Niners to a SB last season. All I care about is his fantasy stats.
Wilfredo Ledezma
Footballguy
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Wilfredo Ledezma
Footballguy
I think hes a buy low. Good skills. His team is winning so he's not being asked to do a ton yet.His schedule is favorable from here on out. People always overreact.
pollardsvision
Footballguy
What about the back-to-back weeks where his team got beaten by 20+ points and he didn't top 150 yards? Team didn't ask him to do much then?
From a fantasy perspective, good fantasy QBs very rarely have games where people say "the team didn't ask him to do much". They certainly don't have those games in 20 point losses, and they don't have them 4 games in a row.
This is 2013, where the league is doing everything possible to encourage teams to throw the hell out of the ball with success.
Getting some weapons back will help. I'd imagine he'll run more, and there are certainly better games ahead, but it's really hard to imagine a good fantasy QB going 4 straight games under 170 yards.
But with all of the new weapons and the passing offense not being sharp would it not stand to reason they could have used some opportunities these past few weeks to pass more and work out issues in the passing game?
I think the issue is deeper than weapons. I think it's cocky approach by Harbaugh and time will tell if it's was the right move. Kaep's level of participation in the pre-season was something you rarely even see reserved for 10+ year vets. Veteran RB's yes but not QB's. He's not running as much. He's getting pulled from games very early when the outcome is no longer in doubt instead of staying in the game and trying to work on some things. All of this tells me is they decided to take the glass doll approach with Kaepernick. They'd rather struggle early offensively if the payoff is helping reduce the chances of an injury and having him healthy for the playoffs.
Ideally all teams would take the same approach which is why I call it cocky because most teams are concerned with winning the next game. Just seems to me Harbaugh is taking a bigger picture approach than winning the next game because if he did I would imagine fixing the passing game would be worked on more in real live game action but they just don't want to expose Kaepernick to any risk of hits at all.
I call it Chris Johnson syndrome. By all accounts you know he should not be in your lineup but his big play/big game potential scares you so you keep going back to the empty well.
drummer
Footballguy
Like I said, I don't think they trust some of the rookies and younger players much on offense. A somewhat vet in Kyle Williams at WR doesn't inspire much confidence. They let long time 49er TE Delanie Walker go and drafted Vance McDonald, but they don't have much confidence in him yet, nor does Kaep. Harbaugh doesn't like to tip his schemes and players much in the pre-season, so he keeps it vanilla and tosses in more plays to scrubs and UDFA's. I can see why you think it's cocky, and in some ways it is, but the 49ers just went through the brutal part of their sched early with some key players out. They finally gave up on Jenkins who was a bust, and they haven't got a real stud WR since Terrell Owens in the draft.
The offense may finally get their legs a couple of game past the bye, and the gamble might be if they peak at the right time to go into the post season. So yeah, that leads to your point.
dangerman77
Footballguy
I broke the long-standing rule and took Kraepernick at 3.2 in my big money 16 teamer right in the middle of a QB run. I took Cutler in Round 10. If I started Cutler instead of flat-brim and kept the rest of my team the same every week, I would be 5-0. I am 2-3. Oh, and I would have taken Reggie Bush. FML.
flapgreen
Footballguy
Be happy you got Cutty. He's doing very well. Sitting in the same boat but took Kaep closer to 4.1. 3.2 was really early.
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Ketamine Dreams
Footballguy
So dropping? Holding? I'm considering dropping him for Geno Smith or Pryor. What has this world come to?
djmich
Footballguy
shadyridr
Footballguy
pryor
Holding for now, but starting Pryor instead. I gotta see something before Kaep is back in my starting lineup.
