Macdaddy_2004
Footballguy
I offered Travis Henry straight up for LJ
Anyone else trying to cash in on his sub-par game?
Anyone else trying to cash in on his sub-par game?
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What are you offering for Larry Johnson (1 Viewer)
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5Rings
Lurker
Wait one more week and you'll probably catch the 0-2 LJ owner panicked.
njxbean
Footballguy
hes a better 2nd half of the season back. not to mention his playoff schedule is very favorable. he will be good this season. will just have a slow start.
BroadwayG
Footballguy
[insert Jim Mora Playoffs rant here.]
Buddy Ball 2K3
Footballguy
I didnt have LJ high on my list this year and nothing has changed that. Let someone else take him off your "panicked" owner, sit back and enjoy LJ dropping out of the 10 RB rankings
Also, cheaper than Henry.Also, I think Henry could have a better season, so I dunno that I woulda done that.
Anonymous Internet User
Footballguy
i offered a cheese sammich and threw in Bobby Engram. waiting for response.
AnonymousBob
Footballguy
I plan on laying the groundwork now. I'm willing to offer Travis Henry for LJ+. It'll depend what else I can squeeze out of the deal.
LawFitz
Footballguy
Considering I drafted Henry ahead of LJ, I don't really like your offer at all.Full disclosure: we drafted prior to Henry's knee sprain. But that said, the knee no longer appears to be an issue. My only real concern is whether he has the HIV and what effect that will have on him this year.
LJ will get his, but he's officially been herminated. Time to move on.
ThePittbully
Footballguy
Kansas City looks like a train wreck. Denver had a bad game and Henry went for 150...why do you want to do this trade again?
Judge Smails
Footballguy
Well, I had the #4 pick and knew LJ would fall to me. Was hoping for Gore, but LJ it was. Only other guy I was considering was Addai, but couldn't pull the trigger with Glenn retiring. So, I decided to draft LJ and get strong with other RB's. Think I hit the lotto with AP. Also have MJD, Kevin Jones, etc in a 12 teamer. Goal? Just get by the first 6 weeks at least 3-3. Won this week in a rout (thanks Romo).
I believe LJ will be a beast the 2nd half and in the playoffs. I'm willing to bite the bullet and even bench him on occasion early on (like this week). Bold strategy, and I risk not making the playoffs, but I'm playing for SB's, not door prizes.
That being said, it would take a great #1 WR and decent back to get him from me.
I believe LJ will be a beast the 2nd half and in the playoffs. I'm willing to bite the bullet and even bench him on occasion early on (like this week). Bold strategy, and I risk not making the playoffs, but I'm playing for SB's, not door prizes.
That being said, it would take a great #1 WR and decent back to get him from me.
FavreCo
Footballguy
Amazing huh?
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
Think it's a great time to go after LJ, unless you think he only gets 10 carries every week. He was very involved in the passing game.
redman
Footballguy
I drafted FWP at 1.05, and I wouldn't dream of trading him straight up for LJ. They aren't running anything remotely resembling Saunders' offense in KC anymore; Trent Green's gone; the o-line is retired; and Herm Edwards is running the show. Oh, and I don't like the number of carries he had last year. Otherwise, I think he's a studly guy to have.
Tong Po
Footballguy
I don't see any reason LJ can't still be a Top 5 fantasy RB on a train wreck of a football team.I think the holdout hurt him in Week 1, and he could have a rough go for the first 4 weeks of the season.But if you can scrape together a couple Wins and weather the storm, LJ could pay nice dividends the rest of the year.
gman8343
What would Lemmy do?
Is this a joke or reference to all the kids Henry's sired with different women, or is there really a rumor that he has HIV?
Resident A
Footballguy
I hope he smacked you in the face & challenged you to a duel.
redman
Footballguy
Sorry, but the mere fact that KC doesn't figure to have many 4th quarter leads means hes going to lose 30-50 carries right off the top. I'm not buying this at all.
JoeSteeler
Footballguy
This trade just went down in my dynasty league. I wasnt involved.
Team A has traded:
RB Travis Henry, DEN $7
DL Bryant C. Young, SF $10
LB Dan Morgan, CAR $11
And received from Team B:
RB Larry Johnson, KC $19
WR Kevin Curtis, PHI $11
Team A has traded:
RB Travis Henry, DEN $7
DL Bryant C. Young, SF $10
LB Dan Morgan, CAR $11
And received from Team B:
RB Larry Johnson, KC $19
WR Kevin Curtis, PHI $11
Keys Myaths
Pokerguy
I actually traded Johnson right before the season in a 2 man keeper.
Unfortunately, I think a lot of us saw this coming. With the schedule he has in the next several weeks, now is not the time to be buying. If you're really still high on him, wait a few weeks. His value will be even lower.
Unfortunately, I think a lot of us saw this coming. With the schedule he has in the next several weeks, now is not the time to be buying. If you're really still high on him, wait a few weeks. His value will be even lower.
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
More like 65 carries, 300 yards, 3 TDs and about 50 FF points67 rush - 293 r yards - 3 r TDs - 5 targets for 3=10-0 48.3 FF points.
avoiding injuries
Footballguy
Still puts him in top tier, no?
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
I just provided numbers, but since you asked, if you deduct 50 points from LJs season total last season, he drops exactly one slot - behind SJax in standard non-PPR leagues. In PPR leagues, I think he drops from the top-5, but not out of the top-10.Yes, he's still great. But all I did was deduct his stats when leading big - they do not necessarily mean he will lose those stats as he still would get carries when the team is not leading big. The assumption of this 4th q lead thing is that LJ will be pulled out of the game.His best numbers came in the third quarter and when the team was trailing close - and I anticipate LJ carrying the rock a lot in those situations.(ETA - the funny thing is here is LJ's numbers when trailing big: 48-194-2 and 28-19-142-0 for 45.6 points.So, he is used almost as much, for almost as much FF production (more in PPR leagues) when the team is trailing big - a situation we expect to increase this year since the Chiefs aren't as good as last year.))
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avoiding injuries
Footballguy
Well that settles it. I am offering Musa Smith, Devrey Henderson, Michael Pittman and Greg Olson for LJ. I'll just stache him on my bench until his schedule eases up and it's off to the championship I go.
LawFitz
Footballguy
Half joke, half serious. I mean c'mon, unless he's just extremely unlucky chances are he went "skin to win" more than nine times in order to end up with NINE baby mommas. And given the law of averages, there's probably a decent chance he has at least a few STDs to go with all those child support obligations.This is not the type of attribute (complete lack of common sense or ability to learn from past mistakes) that I'd like to see from my 1st round pick.
I know, I know... what does it have to do with football? IMO, it proves he's a major off the field risk in general terms.
That said, I'd still take HIV Henry right now over herminated LJ in a redraft league.
gump
Footballguy
That would have dropped him all the way to #4 in my league last year.I knew he would start slow.I had him #3 before the season knowing this.Heard he looked decent.Don't see any reason to drop him lower.I wouldn't take Henry for him. Or Parker.
NCPanthersFan
Footballguy
Enjoy your commentary Redman but I believe you are off the mark on this one.Lose 30-50 carries?!? That would be a great thing. LJ's worst YPC output is 4.25 . Even at a reduced workload of 300 carries, which anyone would be shocked to see, that is still close to 1,200 yards.Looking at his seasons with at least 10 games played, LJ is averaging 15 TDs. Are you expecting those to drop below 10 TD's? That would be a tremendous dropoff in production without injury considering he is their primary scoring threat. So while I agree that KC does not look to be the front-runner in any games, I don't think your logic works here. The only way I can see your side is if you just plain ol don't agree that LJ belongs in the top tiers of RB's. - skillset wise. But I think there is entirely too much evidence to the contrary.
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BoulderBob
Footballguy
Yep, wait till the Bears get done with him.
Skanker
Footballguy
####.
Statcruncher
Footballguy
My condolences on the passing of his 15 minutes of superstardom. Nothing a good O line, QB and WR's wouldn't correct but that's another story. Don't sweat it LJ, we still need bodies to fill the RB2 slot.
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Judge Smails
Footballguy
You are so wrong....You mean RB2's like Brandon Jacobs, Ronnie Brown, Cadillac, Jamal Lewis, etc? He wipes the floor with any of them on one leg on the worst team in the league. He will start slow. But watch his PPG from about week 6 through the SuperBowl.
avoiding injuries
Footballguy
:update:The LJ owner turned this deal down.avoiding injuries said:
I'm going to throw in Jason Hanson and offer it again.10 Team PPR league I offered Edge and Coles for LJ and was rejected. I did not expect him to jump ship yet but I put the thought in his head.Edit to add: In the article section of football guys someone wrote an article about this exact discussion.
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Arnold. S
Footballguy
you're insane for thinking that trade has even has a slight chance:update:The LJ owner turned this deal down.avoiding injuries said:I'm going to throw in Jason Hanson and offer it again.
GregR_2
Footballguy
I think people think KC is worse than they are.
LJ was doing fine against Houston. 10 carries, 43 yards, 7 catches for 44 yards. If he'd had his normal amount of carries he'd have worn down the Texans defense in my opinion. But the turnovers resulted in KC going away from the run which is where they were having success.
And it isn't like Huard was responsible for the turnovers to where I'd expect them to continually repeat themselves. The turnovers came off of big hits on receivers making them fumble or pop the ball up in the air where someone could grab it.
And before I get accused of being a KC
, I live in Houston and am a die-hard Texans fan. KC is not a great team, but I think LJ can be effective in a fantasy sense once Herm gets back to giving him the ball 20 times a game. The fact he caught 7 balls actually bodes very well for him in my opinion. The biggest misgivings I have about LJ are the changes on the offensive line, but they looked worse at pass protection than they did at run blocking in my opinion.
LJ was doing fine against Houston. 10 carries, 43 yards, 7 catches for 44 yards. If he'd had his normal amount of carries he'd have worn down the Texans defense in my opinion. But the turnovers resulted in KC going away from the run which is where they were having success.
And it isn't like Huard was responsible for the turnovers to where I'd expect them to continually repeat themselves. The turnovers came off of big hits on receivers making them fumble or pop the ball up in the air where someone could grab it.
And before I get accused of being a KC
, I live in Houston and am a die-hard Texans fan. KC is not a great team, but I think LJ can be effective in a fantasy sense once Herm gets back to giving him the ball 20 times a game. The fact he caught 7 balls actually bodes very well for him in my opinion. The biggest misgivings I have about LJ are the changes on the offensive line, but they looked worse at pass protection than they did at run blocking in my opinion.
Anonymous Internet User
Footballguy
sarcasm detector down?you're insane for thinking that trade has even has a slight chance:update:The LJ owner turned this deal down.avoiding injuries said:
hellz_fireflies
Footballguy
Do you think the LJ owners don't know his sch.???? If going to trade him it's now.anyone targeting LJ in a trade should wait until after week 5. he has a brutal schedule coming upCHIvs. MIN@ SDvs. JAXabsolutely brutal. After that it's pretty much smooth sailing. You should be able to get LJ for a bag of balls at that point.
GregR_2
Footballguy
The majority of LJ owners don't know his schedule. The majority of FF owners can't tell you who their guy is playing THIS week. The kind of people who at 10 am on a Wednesday morning are on an FF message board are an upper level tiny minority amongst from the pool of everyone who plays FF.Do you think the LJ owners don't know his sch.???? If going to trade him it's now.anyone targeting LJ in a trade should wait until after week 5. he has a brutal schedule coming up
Keith Lewis
Footballguy
Does LJ have a history of poor games against top defenses?
you'd be surprised how short-sighted most FF GMs are... they only know who their opponents are this week. Besides, after 5 weeks of crappy play by their #1 RB, I'm sure a lot of GMs will be willing to cut bait regardless of the upcoming schedule. I personally wouldn't give up much for him this year... I had him in a keeper league, and decided not to keep him.Do you think the LJ owners don't know his sch.???? If going to trade him it's now.anyone targeting LJ in a trade should wait until after week 5. he has a brutal schedule coming up
