What can a white dude do to help BLM? (1 Viewer)

[avoiding injuries]

The Clayton Bigsby skit was hilarious. Why you'd want to be the modern day white version is perplexing to me. 

 

[avoiding injuries]

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/special-reports/charlotte-shooting-protests/article104384751.html

You can donate to this guys legal fund.

The victim was David Palmer, an afghan war veteran who spent 7 years in the army. Sustained several facial fractures and was robbed. Oh, and he was internationally embarrassed. 

At this point, anyone who doesn't condemn BLM is part of the problem. 

 

[renesauz]

Apples & oranges my friend. There are two big differences - i'll only address one here so as not to hijack.

There's a gay person in virtually every family. There was that basis for love and forgiveness on both sides once attitudes changed, and that transformation was the result more of evolution than revolution.

Race in America has always been a war and is still. A descendant of slaves and any who resemble him wakes up each day under battle conditions. Few people want to fight, but a black person may have to each and every day. They have to be battle-ready and that means being a mature warrior as well as a willing one. Malcolm X understood that the best way to achieve that and win was to be a better combatant than the enemy. For reasons within and beyond his control, he fell short of achieving that. So black people by and large still have to fight each day because they simply have not won yet - neither against the foe or within themselves. Most want to be just all up in the anger or far, far away from it all. Therefore, racism remains both an acute and chronic condition in this country.

This is tough to swallow, because all this type of rhetoric incites violence, it invites a reversal of racial prejudice and racism. Such reversal is common on the streets of mixed communities, even if not typically seen in government.  Racial harmony can NEVER be won through such means.

 

[wikkidpissah]

So a normal person must wake up each day, shave a face he knows will likely spark hate and fear simply by its appearance, walk down the street to watch people pull away, apply for status which he has earned that may not be granted, know that he must be twice the person others are to be thought of half as well, and then, at any moment, face the possibility of being reminded, by slurs or stand-offs, that his ancestors were owned and degraded by someone else's ancestors and realize that even his most measured response could escalate to the point of mortal danger and that person is mistaken to believe that he lives his days under battle conditions. OK, i see - thanks for straightening me out.

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

The victim was David Palmer, an afghan war veteran who spent 7 years in the army. Sustained several facial fractures and was robbed. Oh, and he was internationally embarrassed. 

At this point, anyone who doesn't condemn BLM is part of the problem. 

Those 10 attackers are very much part of the problem.  

Anyone who doesn't condemn the attackers is part of the problem. 

Similarly, anyone who assumes the entire movement is defined by 10 idiots beating up a white guy and can condemn BLM while ignore everything that they're protesting?   Yep -- also part of the problem.   

 

[cstu]

So a normal person must wake up each day, shave a face he knows will likely spark hate and fear simply by its appearance, walk down the street to watch people pull away, apply for status which he has earned that may not be granted, know that he must be twice the person others are to be thought of half as well, and then, at any moment, face the possibility of being reminded, by slurs or stand-offs, that his ancestors were owned and degraded by someone else's ancestors and realize that even his most measured response could escalate to the point of mortal danger and that person is mistaken to believe that he lives his days under battle conditions. OK, i see - thanks for straightening me out.

Does it ever occur to the people living under these conditions to move to parts of the country where they do not have to live around people who treat them this way?

 

[cstu]

Those 10 attackers are very much part of the problem.  

Anyone who doesn't condemn the attackers is part of the problem. 

Similarly, anyone who assumes the entire movement is defined by 10 idiots beating up a white guy and can condemn BLM while ignore everything that they're protesting?   Yep -- also part of the problem.   

Defined by it?  It does seem that a more than insignificant number of BLM members are racist, violent criminals.

 

[cstu]

Why is a "Black Lives Matter, Muslim Lives Matter" sign ok at a rally while one that included All Lives Matter is not?

 

[cstu]

I'm sick of white people making excuses for BLM.  Yes, there's a problem but BLM is not going to fix it.  In fact, they are only going to make the problem worse.

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

Defined by it?  It does seem that a more than insignificant number of BLM members are racist, violent criminals.

Kinda like the police?

 

[Donkey Derp]

Those 10 attackers are very much part of the problem.  

Anyone who doesn't condemn the attackers is part of the problem. 

Similarly, anyone who assumes the entire movement is defined by 10 idiots beating up a white guy and can condemn BLM while ignore everything that they're protesting?   Yep -- also part of the problem.   

BLM assumes the actions of police are defined by 10 bad officers or officers who make a mistake.  Anyone who supports this movement while ignoring all that the police do and decades of reduced violent crime (which strangely stopped last year) is a part of the problem.

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

I'm sick of white people making excuses for BLM.  Yes, there's a problem but BLM is not going to fix it.  In fact, they are only going to make the problem worse.

How do you fix the problem, then?

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

BLM assumes the actions of police are defined by 10 bad officers or officers who make a mistake.  

It's not just police.  It's the judicial system as well.   If these bad cops were getting punished regularly, the frustration wouldn't be nearly as severe.  These Charlotte attackers are being arrested and will very likely see jail time, while 99% of cops charged for shooting or abuse get a paid vacation and then nothing else happens.

 

[jonessed]

Those 10 attackers are very much part of the problem.  

Anyone who doesn't condemn the attackers is part of the problem. 

Similarly, anyone who assumes the entire movement is defined by 10 idiots beating up a white guy and can condemn BLM while ignore everything that they're protesting?   Yep -- also part of the problem.   

Violence at BLM protests really isn't that uncommon.  Is it the entire movement?  Obviously not, but it's definitely not an insignificant part.

There's an entire thread on here about how to support BLM while largely avoiding the protests due to fear of violence.

 

[cstu]

How do you fix the problem, then?

1. Pull as many non-black people into the movement as possible.  Change the name to All Lives Matter.  Focus on peaceful protest and absolutely condemn any violent or criminal activity.

2. Protest actual examples of unjustified police violence to reduce the boy who cried wolf effect.

3. Have ALM members meet directly with police officers to discuss the issues and what short and long-term steps the police can take to improve community relations.

4. Set up community meetings to educate people about how best to handle interactions with police to prevent escalations.

5. Teach people how to contest tickets property and use the court system to reduce their exposure to fines and further problems with police.

Just off the top of my head.

 

[money.never.sleeps]

should have gone with my first instinct and not answered you at all. 

Cant move forward and progress without listening to everyones opinion, while explaining your own .  A lot of people feel this way 

My issue is if you're making  up excuses or solely blaming other people for your life not working out because you didnt get this or that is well... BS.. so get in line with the rest of middle to lower class or help yourself because NO ONE AT THE TOP CARES. Doesnt matter what color you are because unless you become the boss or a valuable commodity to the boss (IE EDUACTING YOURSELF) nothing is going to change on that front.  Problem is are "you " trying because everyone not at the top faces obsticles no matter what color. . 

Im all about progressing but the message means nothing without positive substance to resolutions. I hear alot of anger which is warrented for alot of people concerning racism but it also appears people need to look themselves in the mirror and be accountable. 

And this isnt about "black lives".. its about angry black men because i have yet to hear a peep about black woman?

And is this movement about $$$ or justice?  

Speaking of different races that matter , where are the Hispanics/Latinos in all of this?...  

Broad topic.but op has enough "Insight" if he wants to get involved with BLM which personally from a national stand point  I avoid. Start small in being progressive in your communiry is where to begin IMO.  Oh an that whole "golden rule" should help too.

 

[jonessed]

It's not just police.  It's the judicial system as well.   If these bad cops were getting punished regularly, the frustration wouldn't be nearly as severe.  These Charlotte attackers are being arrested and will very likely see jail time, while 99% of cops charged for shooting or abuse get a paid vacation and then nothing else happens.

Not getting the result you want out of a jury doesn't mean the judicial system failed.

 

[wikkidpissah]

Cant move forward and progress without listening to everyones opinion, while explaining your own .  A lot of people feel this way 

My issue is if you're making  up excuses or solely blaming other people for your life not working out because you didnt get this or that is well... BS.. so get in line with the rest of middle to lower class or help yourself because NO ONE AT THE TOP CARES. Doesnt matter what color you are because unless you become the boss or a valuable commodity to the boss (IE EDUACTING YOURSELF) nothing is going to chamge on that front.  Problem is are "you " trying because everyone not at the top faces obsticles no matter what color. . 

Im all about progressing but the message means nothing without positive substance to resolutions. I hear alot of anger which is warrented for alot of people concerning racism but it also appears people need to look themselves in the mirror and be accountable. 

And this isnt about "black lives".. its about angry black men because i have yet to hear a peep about black woman?

And is this movement about $$$ or justice? 

Speaking of different races that matter , where are the Hispanics/Latinos in all if this?...  

Broad topic.but op has enough "Insight" if he wants to get involved with BLM which personally from a national stand point  I avoid. Start small in being progressive in your communiry is where to begin IMO.  Oh an that whole "golxen rule" should help too.

Thanks, man - lost my head for a minute. Y'know, bouncing on the logic trampoline with y'all a little bit really does chill me out. Yeah, and let's for sure keep the sustahs outta being up in this completely. Got any weed?

 

[jonessed]

Cant move forward and progress without listening to everyones opinion, while explaining your own .  A lot of people feel this way 

My issue is if you're making  up excuses or solely blaming other people for your life not working out because you didnt get this or that is well... BS.. so get in line with the rest of middle to lower class or help yourself because NO ONE AT THE TOP CARES. Doesnt matter what color you are because unless you become the boss or a valuable commodity to the boss (IE EDUACTING YOURSELF) nothing is going to chamge on that front.  Problem is are "you " trying because everyone not at the top faces obsticles no matter what color. . 

Im all about progressing but the message means nothing without positive substance to resolutions. I hear alot of anger which is warrented for alot of people concerning racism but it also appears people need to look themselves in the mirror and be accountable. 

And this isnt about "black lives".. its about angry black men because i have yet to hear a peep about black woman?

And is this movement about $$$ or justice? 

Speaking of different races that matter , where are the Hispanics/Latinos in all if this?...  






Broad topic.but op has enough "Insight" if he wants to get involved with BLM which personally from a national stand point  I avoid. Start small in being progressive in your communiry is where to begin IMO.  Oh an that whole "golxen rule" should help too.

Excluded.  It's moronic.  A coalition of blacks, hispanics, and concerned whites could definitely push a lot of police reform.  That would be a massive political movement.

BLM has positioned themselves as an exclusively race-based catch-all though.  That's just not going to get enough traction.  In fact, I think it's largely counter-productive to the goal of significant police reform.

 

[money.never.sleeps]

Thanks, man - lost my head for a minute. Y'know, bouncing on the logic trampoline with y'all for a minute really does chill me out. Yeah, and let's shonuff keep the sustahs outta up in this completely. Got any weed?

Good luck sir.. and no, unfortunately I dont smoke. I do have a bud ice in the fridge if you'd like?

have fun 

 

[Donkey Derp]

It's not just police.  It's the judicial system as well.   If these bad cops were getting punished regularly, the frustration wouldn't be nearly as severe.  These Charlotte attackers are being arrested and will very likely see jail time, while 99% of cops charged for shooting or abuse get a paid vacation and then nothing else happens.

You really think that the Charlotte attackers forming a mob and beating an innocent man is the same as a police officer shooting Keith Scott: a convicted felon who also beat children and his wife and refused to drop a gun he had no legal right to own?  Seriously?

 

[Donkey Derp]

1. Pull as many non-black people into the movement as possible.  Change the name to All Lives Matter.  Focus on peaceful protest and absolutely condemn any violent or criminal activity.

2. Protest actual examples of unjustified police violence to reduce the boy who cried wolf effect.

3. Have ALM members meet directly with police officers to discuss the issues and what short and long-term steps the police can take to improve community relations.

4. Set up community meetings to educate people about how best to handle interactions with police to prevent escalations.

5. Teach people how to contest tickets property and use the court system to reduce their exposure to fines and further problems with police.

Just off the top of my head.

Good post.

#2 is the worst.  When violent criminals are defended in the same breath as an unjustified killing by an officer, the whole movement loses validity. 

6.  As mentioned in here before, encourage people outraged by the actions of police to APPLY to be police officers.  Dallas saw a huge increase in applications after Chief Brown told his community to "stop being a part of the problem and become part of the solution".  Unfortunately, he retired this month - the hate of police ended up influencing someone who really seemed to care about his community to retire.

 

[parasaurolophus]

So a normal person must wake up each day, shave a face he knows will likely spark hate and fear simply by its appearance, walk down the street to watch people pull away, apply for status which he has earned that may not be granted, know that he must be twice the person others are to be thought of half as well, and then, at any moment, face the possibility of being reminded, by slurs or stand-offs, that his ancestors were owned and degraded by someone else's ancestors and realize that even his most measured response could escalate to the point of mortal danger and that person is mistaken to believe that he lives his days under battle conditions. OK, i see - thanks for straightening me out.

Not a very good post. 

 

[parasaurolophus]

It's not just police.  It's the judicial system as well.   If these bad cops were getting punished regularly, the frustration wouldn't be nearly as severe.  These Charlotte attackers are being arrested and will very likely see jail time, while 99% of cops charged for shooting or abuse get a paid vacation and then nothing else happens.

I see what happened in that garage as comparable to a cop that beats the crap out of a guy on the ground in cuffs with his night stick. I do not see it as comparable to shooting somebody that was carrying a weapon. 

I support the legal system cracking down on the former not the latter. 

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

You really think that the Charlotte attackers forming a mob and beating an innocent man is the same as a police officer shooting Keith Scott?

Nope.   but it's not terribly far off from what happened to Eric Garner.

edit:

Or Tamir Rice.

or Terence Crutcher.

Well, you know.  One minor difference --  that guy in the Charlotte garage isn't dead now.  

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

I see what happened in that garage as comparable to a cop that beats the crap out of a guy on the ground in cuffs with his night stick. I do not see it as comparable to shooting somebody that was carrying a weapon. 

What about shooting someone who isn't carrying a weapon?

 

[Donkey Derp]

Nope.   but it's not terribly far off from what happened to Eric Garner.

edit:

Or Tamir Rice.

or Terence Crutcher.

Well, you know.  One minor difference --  that guy in the Charlotte garage isn't dead now.  

You really need a lesson in math.  That's not close to 99%.

 

[Donkey Derp]

When people stop overexaggerating the problem, then perhaps things will be taken seriously and changes will be seen.

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

 at THATS NOT ENOUGH UNARMED PEOPLE KILLED TO PROVE YOUR POINT.    

ok.   Let me know when we get to enough?   thnx.  

 

[Donkey Derp]

 at THATS NOT ENOUGH UNARMED PEOPLE KILLED TO PROVE YOUR POINT.    

ok.   Let me know when we get to enough?   thnx.  

Police respond to thousands and thousand of calls a year.  The process is not perfect nor will it ever be. 

But you included a case where someone was dumb enough to carry around an object that looks EXACTLY like a real gun and another where the officer is awaiting trial to support your assertion that "99% of cops get paid vacation and then nothing else happens"

That is a really stupid response.

 

[tjnc09]

Police respond to thousands and thousand of calls a year.  The process is not perfect nor will it ever be. 

But you included a case where someone was dumb enough to carry around an object that looks EXACTLY like a real gun and another where the officer is awaiting trial to support your assertion that "99% of cops get paid vacation and then nothing else happens"

That is a really stupid response.

I think people are trying to combine all these instances together.  Every situation is different.

The shooting of Walter Scott was one of the worst ones I have seen.  Shooting a 58 year old man in the back is never justified and that officer was indicted.

Terence Crutcher sounds like a terrible mistake where the officer probably reacted to the sound of the taser.  She is being charged with manslaughter iirc.

But they are all different.  Walter Scott is not Keith Scott.  Keith Scott is not Eric Garner.  Eric Garner is not Tamir Rice, etc, etc.

The media wants is to believe they are all the same type of victim but the cause of a police officer shooting will always be different.

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

Police respond to thousands and thousand of calls a year.  The process is not perfect nor will it ever be. 

But you included a case where someone was dumb enough to carry around an object that looks EXACTLY like a real gun and another where the officer is awaiting trial to support your assertion that "99% of cops get paid vacation and then nothing else happens"

That is a really stupid response.

You apparently have very poor reading comprehension.  So let's turn that stupid mirror to you.  

I brought up those three instances to compare the actions of the Charlotte assault gang when you asked if I thought it was the same as Keith Scott being shot.   

Reading is fundamental, sunshine.  

Edit:  Have the last post, or the last 50.  Arguing with yet another person about this is not on my agenda for the remainder of the day.  

 

[whiskey7]

I think people are trying to combine all these instances together.  Every situation is different.

The shooting of Walter Scott was one of the worst ones I have seen.  Shooting a 58 year old man in the back is never justified and that officer was indicted.

Terence Crutcher sounds like a terrible mistake where the officer probably reacted to the sound of the taser.  She is being charged with manslaughter iirc.

But they are all different.  Walter Scott is not Keith Scott.  Keith Scott is not Eric Garner.  Eric Garner is not Tamir Rice, etc, etc.

The media wants is to believe they are all the same type of victim but the cause of a police officer shooting will always be different.

Well said. Important to note, though, that Garner was not only not shot but also not killed by police.

 

[parasaurolophus]

What about shooting someone who isn't carrying a weapon?

As always depends on the circumstances. The biggest difference here is motive and opportunity. The guys in the garage weren't there for their job. They werent responding to a report of some dude that ran out of his car with it running in the middle of the road that was carrying drugs. They didn't have to be involved in the situation. A cop that rolls up on a charged environment is forced there and carries a weapon as part of their job. Sometimes they screw up. They almost never screw up with criminal intent. 

 

[Donkey Derp]

You apparently have very poor reading comprehension.  So let's turn that stupid mirror to you.  

I brought up those three instances to compare the actions of the Charlotte assault gang when you asked if I thought it was the same as Keith Scott being shot.   

Reading is fundamental, sunshine.  

Edit:  Have the last post, or the last 50.  Arguing with yet another person about this is not on my agenda for the remainder of the day.  

You listed three examples that are nothing alike and nothing like the Charlotte assault gang.  You even listed Terence Crutcher.  His case currently contradicts your original idiotic statement:  "These Charlotte attackers are being arrested and will very likely see jail time, while 99% of cops charged for shooting or abuse get a paid vacation and then nothing else happens.  What more do you want the judicial system to do at this point?  How am I supposed to comprehend a sequence of posts that contradict each other and include irrelevant examples?

I'm sorry your agenda doesn't include more faux outrage on the internet for the day from the safety of your own couch.  You are like every other poster here you doesn't actually care except to pad their post counts.

 

[avoiding injuries]

You listed three examples that are nothing alike and nothing like the Charlotte assault gang.  You even listed Terence Crutcher.  His case currently contradicts your original idiotic statement:  "These Charlotte attackers are being arrested and will very likely see jail time, while 99% of cops charged for shooting or abuse get a paid vacation and then nothing else happens.  What more do you want the judicial system to do at this point?  How am I supposed to comprehend a sequence of posts that contradict each other and include irrelevant examples?

I'm sorry your agenda doesn't include more faux outrage on the internet for the day from the safety of your own couch.  You are like every other poster here you doesn't actually care except to pad their post counts.

Yeah, he hasn't looked too good the past couple of pages. He's wearing some pretty thick blinders. 

 

[renesauz]

So a normal person must wake up each day, shave a face he knows will likely spark hate and fear simply by its appearance, walk down the street to watch people pull away, apply for status which he has earned that may not be granted, know that he must be twice the person others are to be thought of half as well, and then, at any moment, face the possibility of being reminded, by slurs or stand-offs, that his ancestors were owned and degraded by someone else's ancestors and realize that even his most measured response could escalate to the point of mortal danger and that person is mistaken to believe that he lives his days under battle conditions. OK, i see - thanks for straightening me out.

No my friend, but unfortunately you are failing to recognize that the description you're giving is not only at the (uncommon and now actually pretty rare) extreme, but that the rhetoric you're using is part of the reason why in my neighborhood I can't walk my dog down the street without 12 year old black boys staring at me with contempt. I've done nothing to those boys, and I have no ill will towards them...I WANT them to succeed in life, but fear they are doomed not because of the color of their skin, but because they already believe they and their parents already believe they will fail...because of me?!

We can't make things right with hate speech, regardless of who the hate speech is directed against.

 

[Donkey Derp]

What about shooting someone who isn't carrying a weapon?

What is the point of this post?   There are numerous other variables that can justify an officer shooting a person if it later determined they didn't have a weapon.

If a person without a weapon is shot by the police who is obeying officer's demands and not acting suspiciously, that is a big problem.

If a person without a weapon is shot by the police is not obeying officer's demands and acting suspiciously, the majority of time is not a problem.

If a person without a weapon is shot by the police is holding an object that looks identical to a real weapon or makes a sudden, threatening motion/stance, the majority of time is not a problem.

Police officers don't get to play the "hindsight is 20/20" game. 

 

[cstu]

Police officers don't get to play the "hindsight is 20/20" game.

People seem to think real life is the same as Call of Duty. 

 

[renesauz]

Nope.   but it's not terribly far off from what happened to Eric Garner.

edit:

Or Tamir Rice.

or Terence Crutcher.

Well, you know.  One minor difference --  that guy in the Charlotte garage isn't dead now.  

Most (of these disused) police shootings, even the more egregious ones, happen because of irrational and often unjustified fear on the part of the cop. Ten men beating an innocent unarmed man because of the color of his skin is a far more obvious and disturbing example of racism, but we are quick to justify/ignore/deny racism if it doesn't come from a white man.

 

[cstu]

Well said. Important to note, though, that Garner was not only not shot but also not killed by police.

It was a NYPD officer who choked him and the other police did nothing to help him breathe even after they knew he was unresponsive:

When Pantaleo approached Garner from behind and attempted to handcuff him, Garner swatted his arms away, saying "Don't touch me, please."[23] Pantaleo then put Garner in a chokehold—which is prohibited by NYPD regulations—from behind.[24] Pantaleo then pulled Garner backward in an attempt to bring him to the ground;[25] in the process, Pantaleo and Garner slammed into a glass window, which did not break.[3] As Garner was being brought to the ground, other uniformed officers surrounded him, and Garner went to his knees and forearms and did not say anything for a few seconds. At that point, three uniformed officers and the two plainclothes officers had surrounded him.[3] After 15 seconds,[26] the video showed Pantaleo had removed his arm from around Garner's neck; Pantaleo then used his hands to push Garner's face[25] into the sidewalk.[27] Garner is heard saying "I can't breathe" eleven times while lying facedown on the sidewalk.[28] The arrest was supervised by a female African American NYPD sergeant, Kizzy Adoni, who did not intercede.[29] Adoni was quoted in the original police report as stating, "The perpetrator's condition did not seem serious and he did not appear to get worse."[30]

Garner lay motionless, handcuffed, and unresponsive for several minutes before an ambulance arrived, as shown in a second video.[31][32] After Garner lost consciousness, officers turned him onto his side to ease his breathing.[33] Garner remained lying on the sidewalk for seven minutes while the officers waited for an ambulance to arrive.[34] Other than one officer who told the then-unconscious Garner to "breathe in, breathe out", the police made no attempt to resuscitate Garner.[34] The police defended their decision to not perform CPR on Garner because they stated that he was still breathing and that it would have been improper to do CPR on someone who was breathing on his own.[35][36][37] When an ambulance arrived on scene, two medics and two EMTs inside the ambulance did not administer any emergency medical aid[38] or promptly place him on a stretcher.[38] According to police, Garner had a heart attack while being transported to Richmond University Medical Center.[39] He was pronounced dead at the hospital one hour later.[40]

 

[whiskey7]

It was a NYPD officer who choked him and the other police did nothing to help him breathe even after they knew he was unresponsive:

When Pantaleo approached Garner from behind and attempted to handcuff him, Garner swatted his arms away, saying "Don't touch me, please."[23] Pantaleo then put Garner in a chokehold—which is prohibited by NYPD regulations—from behind.[24] Pantaleo then pulled Garner backward in an attempt to bring him to the ground;[25] in the process, Pantaleo and Garner slammed into a glass window, which did not break.[3] As Garner was being brought to the ground, other uniformed officers surrounded him, and Garner went to his knees and forearms and did not say anything for a few seconds. At that point, three uniformed officers and the two plainclothes officers had surrounded him.[3] After 15 seconds,[26] the video showed Pantaleo had removed his arm from around Garner's neck; Pantaleo then used his hands to push Garner's face[25] into the sidewalk.[27] Garner is heard saying "I can't breathe" eleven times while lying facedown on the sidewalk.[28] The arrest was supervised by a female African American NYPD sergeant, Kizzy Adoni, who did not intercede.[29] Adoni was quoted in the original police report as stating, "The perpetrator's condition did not seem serious and he did not appear to get worse."[30]

Garner lay motionless, handcuffed, and unresponsive for several minutes before an ambulance arrived, as shown in a second video.[31][32] After Garner lost consciousness, officers turned him onto his side to ease his breathing.[33] Garner remained lying on the sidewalk for seven minutes while the officers waited for an ambulance to arrive.[34] Other than one officer who told the then-unconscious Garner to "breathe in, breathe out", the police made no attempt to resuscitate Garner.[34] The police defended their decision to not perform CPR on Garner because they stated that he was still breathing and that it would have been improper to do CPR on someone who was breathing on his own.[35][36][37] When an ambulance arrived on scene, two medics and two EMTs inside the ambulance did not administer any emergency medical aid[38] or promptly place him on a stretcher.[38] According to police, Garner had a heart attack while being transported to Richmond University Medical Center.[39] He was pronounced dead at the hospital one hour later.[40]

Yes, NYPD took him down with the chokehold. But the choke was released and the man was talking while being held down and cuffed. A person cant speak if they really cant breathe and he was speaking. Says right in the text you posted that they turned him on his side to help him breathe and that they didn't administer CPR because he was breathing on his own. Garner had a heart attack in the ambulance and died. Autopsy revealed no damage to his throat nor windpipe. Garner was 6-foot-3 and weighed 350 pounds, suffered from a number of health problems, including heart disease, severe asthma, diabetes, obesity, and sleep apnea.

"It is unclear if the chokehold contributed to the death on Thursday afternoon of Mr. Garner, who was at least 6 feet 3 inches tall and who, friends said, had several health issues: diabetes, sleep apnea, and asthma so severe that he had to quit his job as a horticulturist for the city’s parks department. He wheezed when he talked and could not walk a block without resting, they said."

This guy did not die of asphyxia nor was his throat/windpipe damaged. He was breathing unassisted minutes after all of the cops hands were off of him. To say the cops killed this man would be like saying an obese, severely asthmatic cop with a heart condition who died from heart attack while chasing a suspect was killed by the suspect.  

 

[cstu]

Yes, NYPD took him down with the chokehold. But the choke was released and the man was talking while being held down and cuffed. A person cant speak if they really cant breathe and he was speaking. Says right in the text you posted that they turned him on his side to help him breathe and that they didn't administer CPR because he was breathing on his own. Garner had a heart attack in the ambulance and died. Autopsy revealed no damage to his throat nor windpipe. Garner was 6-foot-3 and weighed 350 pounds, suffered from a number of health problems, including heart disease, severe asthma, diabetes, obesity, and sleep apnea.

"It is unclear if the chokehold contributed to the death on Thursday afternoon of Mr. Garner, who was at least 6 feet 3 inches tall and who, friends said, had several health issues: diabetes, sleep apnea, and asthma so severe that he had to quit his job as a horticulturist for the city’s parks department. He wheezed when he talked and could not walk a block without resting, they said."

This guy did not die of asphyxia nor was his throat/windpipe damaged. He was breathing unassisted minutes after all of the cops hands were off of him. To say the cops killed this man would be like saying an obese, severely asthmatic cop with a heart condition who died from heart attack while chasing a suspect was killed by the suspect.  

Yes, he was super fat and unhealthy but he wouldn't have died that day if the police had an ounce of concern for him. 

"Oh, you can't breathe?  Should have thought about that before you ate all those doughnuts your whole life and decided to sell individual cigarettes on the street."

IMO they killed him out of negligence.  The city settled for $5.9 million so they must have believed the same.

 

[parasaurolophus]

Yes, he was super fat and unhealthy but he wouldn't have died that day if the police had an ounce of concern for him. 

"Oh, you can't breathe?  Should have thought about that before you ate all those doughnuts your whole life and decided to sell individual cigarettes on the street."

IMO they killed him out of negligence.  The city settled for $5.9 million so they must have believed the same.

Perhaps they thought a jury of people like you would not understand the facts?

 

[Donkey Derp]

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/this-teenager-was-walking-for-hours-to-and-from-work-—-until-a-police-stop-changed-his-life/ar-BBwOZIB?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartandhp

I hope this kid goes far in life. 

 

[Gary Coal Man]

No my friend, but unfortunately you are failing to recognize that the description you're giving is not only at the (uncommon and now actually pretty rare) extreme, but that the rhetoric you're using is part of the reason why in my neighborhood I can't walk my dog down the street without 12 year old black boys staring at me with contempt. I've done nothing to those boys, and I have no ill will towards them...I WANT them to succeed in life, but fear they are doomed not because of the color of their skin, but because they already believe they and their parents already believe they will fail...because of me?!

We can't make things right with hate speech, regardless of who the hate speech is directed against.

Oh, man, I have such a similar, but even more bizarre neighborhood story than this.

I live in a very racially mixed new development.  I'm one of only two white guys who live on my street (but have Russians who live behind us who my wife is warring with.).  The rest of my street is a fairly even mix between black, Indian, and Asian families; and the rest of this development is similar, though, a little more white throughout than my street is.  

A few months ago I took my four year old daughter to the communal playground in the development.  There was a black girl there who was probably about nine years old.  My daughter wanted to play with the older girl, but for some strange reason the other girl was more interested in talking to me.  She probably thought my girl was too much of a baby for her.  So I'm a friendly guy and was chatting with this little black girl.  I was asking her about typical kid stuff, she was answering, and she was asking me questions back.  It was a fun, innocent little talk.  I could hear that she had an African accent so I asked her where her family was from.  She named the African nation (which I now forget).  I then asked her if she still has family there and if she ever goes back to visit them.  She told me that she does go back to visit, and then added, "I like it there because there's no white people."

I kid you not, that's exactly what she said.  It was so out of left field because we were having a fun conversation, and because, well, she said it to me who is unmistakably white.  I didn't get mad, though, because I could tell while the words came out of her mouth, they weren't her thoughts.  She obviously wasn't appreciating what she said by the cavalier tone in which she said it, and to whom when said it without any reservation.  She obviously was just parroting what she hears at home.

But, wait, there's more!

She then followed it up by asking me, "Why are white people mean to black people?"

I replied, "I don't think they are."

I then changed the subject because I didn't think it was appropriate for me to be discussing this stuff with a neighbor's kid when the neighbor obviously felt differently than me, and I didn't want my daughter to overhear the conversation and potentially be negatively influenced.

Now, here's the thing.  This family has the big house at the end of the street.  The house is probably valued around $700K which would place it in the top 5% of American home values.  So this family willingly chose to leave their majority black African nation to move to a majority white nation.  They're doing far better financially in that white nation than most of the white people in that nation.  Despite all that, they apparently harbor ill will toward white people and are passing that on to their children.

Anyone who does not think that there's a far greater percentage of black people teaching their children to fear and dislike white people than there are white people doing the same is living in denial.  It would be bad enough if all that those people did was deny reality, but more often than not they give black families a free pass on bigotry or make excuses for it whereas if it was a white family they would treat them as though they were the Hitler clan.

That double standard does two things:

First, it allows the bigotry from the black families to go unchecked which allows it to continue unabated.  And, worse, the excuses make many black people believe that their bigotry is warranted and that it's righteous.

Second, white people notice this double standard and they resent it.  That resentment then often gets channeled to black people in general rather than the select families teaching bigotry or the people making excuses for them.

Like CSTU said above, a lot of the people who think that they're helping race relations are actually hurting them.

 

[Gary Coal Man]

I wish more black people would watch this video.  Many agree with its content even if they're afraid to admit it publicly.

 

[Dexter]

Why would anyone want to support this terrorist organization? 

 

[bueno]

The idea would save money, no?

When you hire a cop he doesn't get a gun til X amount of years working with an officer that does have one.

They would become cops like they normally would now just don't get a gun at their graduation. 

And to add in my initial post, just to clarify I didn't mean that cops didn't know how to handle a gun per se but rather that they are not properly trained or experienced in stressful situations and oftentimes it seems they draw their guns as a 1st resort escalating a situation when it may not have called for it.

Working without a gun may allow for them to better learn on deescalating situations. 

So what happens when the armed partner gets shot and the unarmed partner is defenseless?

 

[Ignoramus]

It doesn't really matter.  If someone isn't willing to actively work on bettering themselves nobody is going to do it for them.

Yes, the guy that was shot with his hands in the air following police instructions is clearly at fault here.  Or the one sitting in the road with a toy.  Or the one with the e-cigarette.  All should have have worked on bettering themselves and maybe they wouldn't have had to been put down.