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What can a white dude do to help BLM? (1 Viewer)
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mr roboto
Footballguy
If your username is any indication of where you currently live, then you should know the local protests are heavily attended by white folk.
This is shtick right? considering the boycott isn't supposed to begin until 05 DEC, you can probably wait until there's more info available before deciding to participate.
i read shaun king's stuff regularly enough to know i'm very likely to be a part of this
whiskey7
Footballguy
I tend to believe (among many things) in keeping it simple and taking care of one's own backyard.
I treat every person I encounter well unless they give me reason not to. I am teaching my kids to treat everyone they encounter well unless that individual gives them reason not to. I am further teaching them to respect the laws in place (whether they agree with them or not) and not put themselves in situations where bad things can happen. I set a good example for them by not ####### around and breaking rules. Hopefully, they are paying attention and grow up believing that's the right way to live.
Lots of people seem to think solutions need to be drastic. I figure if each person makes sure themselves and their kids are squared-away, many of the problems we see in our society today will go away.
I treat every person I encounter well unless they give me reason not to. I am teaching my kids to treat everyone they encounter well unless that individual gives them reason not to. I am further teaching them to respect the laws in place (whether they agree with them or not) and not put themselves in situations where bad things can happen. I set a good example for them by not ####### around and breaking rules. Hopefully, they are paying attention and grow up believing that's the right way to live.
Lots of people seem to think solutions need to be drastic. I figure if each person makes sure themselves and their kids are squared-away, many of the problems we see in our society today will go away.
Ignoramus
Footballguy
It's so you don't get stuck with some random affiliate. Once you join and starts up its going to be epic. Trust me.
(HULK)
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roadkill1292
Footballguy
I like this thread, gives me a little bit of hope for us all.
Mookie
Footballguy
Demand better training of your local police forces. Cops need guns to defend themselves, but they need to be properly trained to assess the dangers they encounter and respond to that danger with the minimal force necessary. Identifying and accepting racial biases (not racism) that ALL officers bring to encounters with persons who appear to match a perceived criminal element has been demonstrated as effective in practice - See Las Vegas example below.
Las Vegas Example
Demand a culture of accountability. Weed out and/or prosecute the cops who exceed the level of force needed. The challenge here is overcoming collective bargaining agreements that often insulate and protect bad cops. Applying pressure to both the jurisdiction and the unions could lead to more accountability.
Help change the narrative. It is a discrete, narrow issue - What is causing black people to be killed by law enforcement in disproportionately high numbers? Instead, it gets blown up into this "was it racist?", "what lives matter?", "one person said something stupid so forget them all!", "look at the bad stuff black people do!" idiocy. To me, those are separate issues that just create arguments without any change.
Las Vegas Example
Demand a culture of accountability. Weed out and/or prosecute the cops who exceed the level of force needed. The challenge here is overcoming collective bargaining agreements that often insulate and protect bad cops. Applying pressure to both the jurisdiction and the unions could lead to more accountability.
Help change the narrative. It is a discrete, narrow issue - What is causing black people to be killed by law enforcement in disproportionately high numbers? Instead, it gets blown up into this "was it racist?", "what lives matter?", "one person said something stupid so forget them all!", "look at the bad stuff black people do!" idiocy. To me, those are separate issues that just create arguments without any change.
dgreen
Footballguy
Everyone does this. However, we all draw the "give me reason not to" line in different places.
jonessed
Footballguy
ILUVBEER99
Footballguy
They don't want you at their rallies HULK, give up that paper if you want to help.cstu said:
E-Z Glider
Footballguy
IC FBGCav
Footballguy
GregR
Footballguy
So faced with people being shot and killed when unjustified, framed for crimes they didn't commit, etc... is waiting a few generations for it to just address itself through good parenting showing the appropriate amount of action?
If you or your family was a victim of it, how would you react if someone's response to your situation was, oh, well I'm teaching my kids to not be prejudiced or break laws, but good luck with your situation there.
How about some reasonable responses to people dying with some more immediate returns. Like calling for increased oversight, training, monitoring, penalties for abusing authoritative power, and screening of those going into such positions?
Cjw_55106
Footballguy
Just curious...and I mean this seriously. What were you told when you "called" for those actions? Who did you voice these calls to?
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
GregR
Footballguy
Just look in the threads here on the topic and it's a good sample of my experiences on the topic. People finding one idiot blogger so they can harp on that, ignoring the actual problems that involve people dying or unjustly going to jail. Expressing their outrage that someone sat down during the national anthem, worried far more about if that shows disrespect to veterans than they are worried that some of those same veterans are out there having to deal with this kind of abuse of authority aimed at them and their families.
No one expects people to spend every waking minute contacting congressmen or going out to rallies. But adding our voices to say, Yes, this is a problem and we want it addressed... and supporting those in public office who recognize it and are acting on it, isn't asking much of people at all. But so many don't want to do even that. They want to ##### and argue about whether a blogger said something stupid or whether this was a black cop shooting at a black man and paint those who are upset about it as all being looters. It's hard to read page after page of this stuff and not just have your faith in humanity crumble. This particular thread has at least been better, kudos to @(HULK).
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GregR
Footballguy
If they are preventing good common-sense measures then do what's needed to implement them. I really can't speak to the role of police unions in it as I don't know what it is right now, but if they are stopping accountability, then yes that's a problem.
Galileo
Footballguy
pollardsvision
Footballguy
Become a cop in a predominantly black community.
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
You know that guy that used his own ak to shoot at a suspect? He is out on bail. Pretty sure the union bailed him out.
whiskey7
Footballguy
Well, ####! It took your post for me to realize how blind I have been. I have seen the light now, though, thanks to you! Let me run down to my safe and get my .45 and that silver bullet I have been saving. I am going to fire that thing straight through the heart of this issue and then it will be sunshine and rainbows for everyone!! One sec...
#### you. Don't try to make me feel guilty for the way things are. I didn't create this ####show. It's taken a lot of bad decisions by a lot of people for a lot of years to get to the level of suck we're seeing in this country. These problems were in place long before I was born and will likely be around long after I am gone. Anyone who thinks there is a quick fix is a fool.
If you feel guilty you're not doing enough to make the world a better place, go nuts. I am not stopping you. If you want to lay down in the street and block traffic in hopes it will affect choices other people make, knock yourself out. I will be focusing my time and resources on the things under my control.
There seem to be THOUSANDS of perfect cops quarterbacking from the safety of their own couches. Can you imagine how much safer the streets would be if they replaced all of the cops currently out there trying to do their jobs?
The Duff Man
Footballguy
Isn't more appropriate to ask what a green guy can do?
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
This is the exact reason i give cops the benefit of the doubt. Most people would never consider being a cop. If the only choice was to be a cop in a predominantly black community that number is even smaller.
Yet here we sit with liberals questioning methods when cops try to apprehend people with criminal records carrying guns.
Lets get the bad cops out of uniform and support the heck out of the rest please.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
She sounds neat.cstu said:
Such a complex, difficult issue :(
Sympathize with the problem, but not with the methods. Too many BLM leaders and members are promoting (usually un-intentionally) their own brand of hatred and prejudice. Racism DOES go both ways. There are truths and there are lies being spouted from both sides and I honestly believe BLM is making things worse, not better.
Sympathize with the problem, but not with the methods. Too many BLM leaders and members are promoting (usually un-intentionally) their own brand of hatred and prejudice. Racism DOES go both ways. There are truths and there are lies being spouted from both sides and I honestly believe BLM is making things worse, not better.
Gary Coal Man
Footballguy
Some prominent BLM leaders don't consider that helping. Quite the opposite...
Black Lives Matter Founder on Charlotte: We Need 'Police-Free Communities'
Garza also proposes an unconventional solution to brutality by law enforcement in Charlotte and around the country: “police-free communities.”
“Ultimately, policing in and of itself is problematic,” Garza says. “I know that in this country we give a lot of veneration to police. In the ethos of this country, police can do no wrong. And if and when police do wrong, it’s a case of individual bad apples, as opposed to a corroded and corrupt system... Quite frankly, many of our [Black Lives Matter] members are continuing to investigate what it would mean to have police-free communities.
Good luck with that strategy. In related news: U.S. Murders Increased 10.8% in 2015
Cjw_55106
Footballguy
Ask the founder. I didn't come up with the idea. I can't image anyone would want to live in such a place, but she's investigating the idea.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
Anyone looked at pictures of this Ashleigh chick?
:X
Instead of financial reparations, I'm sure a case of Krispy Kremes would make her happy. Id set the o/u at 315.
:X
Instead of financial reparations, I'm sure a case of Krispy Kremes would make her happy. Id set the o/u at 315.
MaxThreshold
Footballguy
So they don't want "whitey" to help but just want his/her money. And no cops? Have I summarized this correctly?
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avoiding injuries
Footballguy
There's a reason that I, and people with the necessary means, live in places where stuff like this won't ever happen. BLM makes me appreciate every sacrifice I've made and all the hard work I've put in to giving my family the best life possible.
cstu
Footballguy
Would to ask Garza whether less than 20 questionable shootings out of one million police officers indicate a corroded and corrupt system.
Oh, and good luck with those police-free communities.
wikkidpissah
Footballguy
Around the turn of this century, black people had the political capital to do one of two things - push for reparations or bear down on the n-word. They chose the latter because, since the assassinations (X, King, Hampton) that crippled their movement, black people en masse have concerned themselves far less with their well-being than white folks' comeuppance. I'm sure they have their reasons but, as a result, though once there was no group in this country who had more of my lifelong concern, political and charitable effort, there are few now who have less of my care.
cstu
Footballguy
http://maps.latimes.com/neighborhoods/neighborhood/bel-air/crime/
Over the last three months, Bel-Air averaged 0.2 violent crimes and 2.5 property crimes per week.
The neighborhood has gone 61 consecutive days without a violent crime report.
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