What does the confederate flag mean to you? (1 Viewer)

[RoarinSonoran]

Not surprisingly, it was corrected by a Southerner from the Great State of South Carolina.

Umm, I live in Arizona.

I don't automatically assume that everyone flying the Stars and Bars is a racist.

Neither do I. Kinda strange how often that turns out to be the case though.

Everytime you see the Starts & Bars, do you talk to the people flying it to make this determination?

Stars & Bars <> Battle/Rebel Flag Stars & Bars == 1st National Flag

I don't automatically assume that everyone flying the Stars and Bars is a racist.

A common misconception. The Stars and Bars, also known as the First National, is not the same thing as the Confederate Battle Flag of the Army of Northern Virginia or Confederate Naval Jack also flown as a battle flag by western Confederate units.

 

[TheIronSheik]

I grew up in Lansing IL (30 min south of Chicago) and went to TF South. We are the TF South REBELS! The flag used to be our rebel flag used to be on a sign right on top of our school until about 1998 or so (dont remember the exact year), when people started complaining...its always just been a flag representing our school to me!

Isn't the neighborhood around Lansing mostly black? I wouldn't be surprised if the locals complained about a confederate flag flown on HS property.

How come they weren't offended until the year 1998?

 

[Pigskin75]

Not surprisingly, it was corrected by a Southerner from the Great State of South Carolina.

Umm, I live in Arizona.

I see that now. I thought Mjolnirs got there first...but I stand corrected. Funny how you two corrected the error within four posts of each other!The Great State of Arizona then!

 

[Pigskin75]

How come they weren't offended until the year 1998?

I suppose that was about the time the PC movement really started to pick up steam. When did the colleges start to drop the American Indian themes? Seems to be around that time.

 

[thayman]

http://members.aol.com/neoconfeds/trclark.htm

The Houston Chronicle

August 29, 1999, Sunday 4 STAR EDITION

History gives lie to myth of black Confederate soldiers

TRUMAN R. CLARK* Professor of History

A racist fabrication has sprung up in the last decade: that the Confederacy had "thousands" of African- American slaves "fighting" in its armies during the Civil War.

Unfortunately, even some African-American men today have gotten conned into Putting on Confederate uniforms to play "re-enactors" in an army that fought to ensure that their ancestors would remain slaves.

There are two underlying points of this claim: first, to say that slavery wasn't so bad, because after all, the slaves themselves fought to preserve the slave South; and second, that the Confederacy wasn't really fighting for slavery. Both these notions may make some of our contemporaries feel good, but neither is historically accurate.

When one speaks of "soldiers" and "fighting" in a war, one is not talking about slaves who were taken from their masters and forced to work on military roads and other military construction projects; nor is one talking about slaves who were taken along by their masters to continue the duties of a personal valet that they performed back on the plantation. Of course, there were thousands of African-Americans forced into these situations, but they were hardly "soldiers fighting."

Another logical point against this wacky modern idea of a racially integrated Confederate army has to do with the prisoner of war issue during the Civil War. Through 1862, there was an effective exchange system of POWs between the two sides. This entirely broke down in 1863, however, because the Confederacy refused to see black Union soldiers as soldiers - they would not be exchanged, but instead were made slaves (or, as in the 1864 Fort Pillow incident, simply murdered after their surrender). After that, the United States refused to exchange any Southern POWs and the prisoner of war camps on both sides grew immensely in numbers and misery the rest of the war.

If the Confederacy had black soldiers in its armies, why didn't it see black men as soldiers?

By the way, all the Confederate soldiers captured by Union troops were white men. If there were "thousands" of black soldiers in the Confederate armies, why were none of them among the approximately 215,000 soldiers captured by the U. S. forces?

If there were thousands of African-American men fighting in the Confederate armies, they apparently cleverly did so without Robert E. Lee, Jefferson Davis, the members of the Confederate congress or any of the white soldiers of the Confederacy knowing about it. (I can just imagine some former Confederate soldier, told in 1892 that hundreds of the men in his army unit during the Civil War were black, snapping his fingers and saying, "I knew there was something different about those guys!")

The South was running short of soldiers as the war dragged on, however, and some people began to suggest that it would be better to use slaves to fight than to lose. As late as three weeks before the Civil War came to an end, the members of the Confederate congress (and Lee and Davis) were hotly debating the question of whether to start using slaves in the Southern armies.

If, as some folks in the 1990s claim, there were already "thousands" of black troops in the Confederate armies, why were the leaders of the Confederacy still debating about whether or not they should start bringing them in?

The very accurate point made then by opponents of this legislation was, as one Georgia leader stated, "If slaves will make good soldiers our whole theory of slavery is wrong." Southern newspaper editors blasted the idea as "the very doctrine which the war was commenced to put down," a "surrender of the essential and distinctive principle of Southern civilization."

And what was that "essential and distinctive principle of Southern civilization"? Let's listen to the people of the times. The vice president of the Confederacy, Alexander Stephens, said on March 21, 1861, that the Confederacy was "founded . . . its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based on this great physical, philosophical and moral truth."

What was the "very doctrine" which the South had entered into war to destroy? Let's go to the historical documents, the words of the people in those times. When Texas seceded from the Union in March 1861, its secession declaration was entirely about one subject: slavery. It said that Thomas Jefferson's words in the Declaration of Independence in 1776 - "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal" - were "the debasing doctrine of equality of all men, irrespective of race or color . . . a doctrine at war with nature . . . and in violation of the plainest revelations of Divine Law.

But, by March 13, 1865, the Confederacy had its back against the wall, and by the less than overwhelming margin of 40 to 37 in the House, and nine to eight in the Senate, the Confederate congress approved a bill to allow Jefferson Davis to require a quota of black soldiers from each state. Presumably (although the bill did not say so) slaves who fought would, if they survived the war, be freed. Southerners who opposed using blacks in the army noted that this idea had its problems: First, it was obvious that the Yankee armies would soon free them anyway; and second, if slavery was so wonderful and happy for black people, why would one be willing to risk death to win his freedom?

The war was virtually over by then, and when black Union soldiers rode into Richmond on April 3, they found two companies of black men beginning to train as potential soldiers. (When those black men had marched down the street in Confederate uniforms, local whites had pelted them with mud.) None got into the war, and Lee surrendered on April 9.

Yes, thousands of African-American men did fight in the Civil War - about 179,000. About 37,000 of them died in uniform. But they were all in the Army (or Navy) of the United States of America. The Confederate veterans who were still alive in the generations after the war all knew that and said so.

Finally, these modem non historians say that slavery couldn't have been a main cause of the Civil War (never mind the words of Alexander Stephens and the various declarations of secession), because most of the Confederate soldiers didn't own slaves.

As modern historians such as Pulitzer Prize-winner James M. McPherson point out, the truth was that most white people in the South knew that the great bulwark of the white-supremacy system they cherished was slavery, whether or not they personally owned slaves.

"Freedom is not possible without slavery," was a typical endorsement of this underlying truth about the slave South. Without slavery, white nonslaveholders would be no better than black men.

The slave South rested upon a master-race ideology, as many generations of white Southerners stated it and lived it, from the 1600s until 1865. There is an uncomfortable parallel in our century with the master- race ideology of Nazi Germany. First, millions of the men who bravely fought and died for the Third Reich were not Nazis, but they weren't exactly fighting for the human rights of Jews or gypsies. And second, yes, as was pointed out in the movie Schindler's List, many thousands of Jews did slave labor in military production factories in Nazi Germany - but that certainly didn't make them "thousands of Jewish soldiers fighting for Germany.

We can believe in the "black soldiers fighting" in the Confederate armies just as soon as historians discover the "thousands" of Jews in the SS and Gestapo.

Still waiting for all those saying the war wasn't about slavery to answer this post...still waiting for anyone who is for the confederate flag to answer this post.

Because slavery wasn't the only reason for the war. Yes it played a part, as did economics. The Civil War can not be defined by one single reason, like most conflicts throughout history there are quite a few reasons.I'm not for the Confederate Flag, but I'm not against it. It is a important part of US History.

 

[RoarinSonoran]

Not surprisingly, it was corrected by a Southerner from the Great State of South Carolina.

Umm, I live in Arizona.

I see that now. I thought Mjolnirs got there first...but I stand corrected. Funny how you two corrected the error within four posts of each other!The Great State of Arizona then!

The Former Confederate Territory of Arizona Meh, it's ok. Just funnin'. Mjolnirs was a bit more eloquent in his reply, and included links and 8x10 glossies. You weren't the only one to have missed my post. I just need to quit posting in invisible font.

 

[Mjolnirs]

Unfortunatly it was hijacked by hate groups long ago. When I think of the Confederacy and Southern history, I recall the stars and bars and the Battle Flag of the Army of Northern Virginia. Brave men who fought for their way of life in the context of the time in which they lived...not through the 20/20 hind site of 140 years. Just as we love FDR and what he did for our nation, today we dispise the internment of Japanese Americans...but it was a different time...a different place.

Still waiting for all those saying the war wasn't about slavery to answer this post...still waiting for anyone who is for the confederate flag to answer this post.

Why should we? You provided links stating what black people said, I rebutted by providing links from other black people and then you accused me of saying nothing. What is obvious is that you don't want to hear what someone might say against what you think. While I have never "ignored" anyone on the board I think my good Yankee friend might have the right idea.

How come they weren't offended until the year 1998?

For the same reason people didn't get offended by the Confederate flag above South Carolina's capitol until around that time. A certain organization that was in need of a fund raising scheme told them to be offended.

I see that now. I thought Mjolnirs got there first...but I stand corrected. Funny how you two corrected the error within four posts of each other!The Great State of Arizona then!

I was busy collecting links Huzza for Arizona too!

Meh, it's ok. Just funnin'. Mjolnirs was a bit more eloquent in his reply, and included links and 8x10 glossies.

I'm beginning to think you and may get sent to the Group W Bench.

 

[Flying V]

...slavery wasn't the only reason for the war. Yes it played a part, as did economics. The Civil War can not be defined by one single reason, like most conflicts throughout history there are quite a few reasons.

True. And I'll even concede that the "Northern" history books may all be a bit biased. But if I understand the "Southern" view point correctly, if you could have completely removed the slavery issue from the equation, the civil war would have still been fought. That's the part I don't understand.

 

[Pigskin75]

...slavery wasn't the only reason for the war. Yes it played a part, as did economics. The Civil War can not be defined by one single reason, like most conflicts throughout history there are quite a few reasons.

True. And I'll even concede that the "Northern" history books may all be a bit biased. But if I understand the "Southern" view point correctly, if you could have completely removed the slavery issue from the equation, the civil war would have still been fought. That's the part I don't understand.

Well, according to the "Secession Causes" of South Carolina is seems rather clear. The North didn't want slavery and had imposed laws that South Carolina found to have broken the contract establised in the US Constitution. Namely, "No person held to service or labor in one State, under the laws thereof, escaping into another, shall, in consequence of any law or regulation therein, be discharged from such service or labor, but shall be delivered up, on claim of the party to whom such service or labor may be due." (Fourth Article of the Constitution)So, the North was twisting the screws in order to remove slavery and slavery being the labor force that drove the economy of the South, the South, at least SC, had to break ties in order to survive. State rights? Yes, but slavery is at the heart of the matter.

Here's the full text

South Carolina Secession Causes

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

Wow. I really didn't think this would strike so deep. I asked a pretty easy question. I'm sorry, but if you don't think it was an 'easy' question, your thinking too hard about it. I asked "What does the condederate flag mean to you?" I also requested you provide what state your from, as I think that might have a bearing on your belief system/answer.

What I didn't anticipate was everyone defending their answers. What the hell was I thinking? This is the FFA after all. I don't give a rats ### why you think and feel the way you do towards the flag. I was looking for a general idea of how the flag is regarded in current society.

We're sorry.

 

[oddball]

Wow. I really didn't think this would strike so deep. I asked a pretty easy question. I'm sorry, but if you don't think it was an 'easy' question, your thinking too hard about it. I asked "What does the condederate flag mean to you?" I also requested you provide what state your from, as I think that might have a bearing on your belief system/answer.

What I didn't anticipate was everyone defending their answers. What the hell was I thinking? This is the FFA after all. I don't give a rats ### why you think and feel the way you do towards the flag. I was looking for a general idea of how the flag is regarded in current society.

We're sorry.

As well you should be!

 

[TheIronSheik]

Wow. I really didn't think this would strike so deep. I asked a pretty easy question. I'm sorry, but if you don't think it was an 'easy' question, your thinking too hard about it. I asked "What does the condederate flag mean to you?" I also requested you provide what state your from, as I think that might have a bearing on your belief system/answer.

What I didn't anticipate was everyone defending their answers. What the hell was I thinking? This is the FFA after all. I don't give a rats ### why you think and feel the way you do towards the flag. I was looking for a general idea of how the flag is regarded in current society.

We're sorry.

As well you should be!

Don't listen to that guy, oddball. I've never met NB before, but I'd say, judging by his posts, he's probably a knuckle dragging idjet wallowing in his own filth.

 

[oddball]

Wow. I really didn't think this would strike so deep. I asked a pretty easy question. I'm sorry, but if you don't think it was an 'easy' question, your thinking too hard about it. I asked "What does the condederate flag mean to you?" I also requested you provide what state your from, as I think that might have a bearing on your belief system/answer.

What I didn't anticipate was everyone defending their answers. What the hell was I thinking? This is the FFA after all. I don't give a rats ### why you think and feel the way you do towards the flag. I was looking for a general idea of how the flag is regarded in current society.

We're sorry.

As well you should be!

Don't listen to that guy, oddball. I've never met NB before, but I'd say, judging by his posts, he's probably a knuckle dragging idjet wallowing in his own filth.

Everyone knows they are the ones who watch nascar all the time. And nascar fuels your paycheck. You better play nice...

 

[TheIronSheik]

Wow. I really didn't think this would strike so deep. I asked a pretty easy question. I'm sorry, but if you don't think it was an 'easy' question, your thinking too hard about it. I asked "What does the condederate flag mean to you?" I also requested you provide what state your from, as I think that might have a bearing on your belief system/answer.

What I didn't anticipate was everyone defending their answers. What the hell was I thinking? This is the FFA after all. I don't give a rats ### why you think and feel the way you do towards the flag. I was looking for a general idea of how the flag is regarded in current society.

We're sorry.

As well you should be!

Don't listen to that guy, oddball. I've never met NB before, but I'd say, judging by his posts, he's probably a knuckle dragging idjet wallowing in his own filth.

Everyone knows they are the ones who watch nascar all the time. And nascar fuels your paycheck. You better play nice...

I love NASCAR. Are you implying that by liking NASCAR I must be one of them?!?!That does it. I'm putting my Rebel Flag out on my porch.

 

[oddball]

Wow. I really didn't think this would strike so deep. I asked a pretty easy question. I'm sorry, but if you don't think it was an 'easy' question, your thinking too hard about it. I asked "What does the condederate flag mean to you?" I also requested you provide what state your from, as I think that might have a bearing on your belief system/answer.

What I didn't anticipate was everyone defending their answers. What the hell was I thinking? This is the FFA after all. I don't give a rats ### why you think and feel the way you do towards the flag. I was looking for a general idea of how the flag is regarded in current society.

We're sorry.

As well you should be!

Don't listen to that guy, oddball. I've never met NB before, but I'd say, judging by his posts, he's probably a knuckle dragging idjet wallowing in his own filth.

Everyone knows they are the ones who watch nascar all the time. And nascar fuels your paycheck. You better play nice...

I love NASCAR. Are you directly stating that by liking NASCAR I am one of them?!?!That does it. I'm inbred.

fixed for clarity.

 

[mr. furley]

Wisconsin - reminds me of all the local hillbilly yokels who paste them all over their truck windows/bumpers. up here it's pure racist bull####.

 

[RoarinSonoran]

Meh, it's ok. Just funnin'. Mjolnirs was a bit more eloquent in his reply, and included links and 8x10 glossies.

I'm beginning to think you and may get sent to the Group W Bench.

Care to try that again? It appears them damned yankees confiscated a few words while your post was enroute to me.

 

[RoarinSonoran]

Wisconsin - reminds me of all the local hillbilly yokels who paste them all over their truck windows/bumpers. up here it's pure racist bull####.

Racists in the north?!

 

[Funkley]

Wisconsin - reminds me of all the local hillbilly yokels who paste them all over their truck windows/bumpers. up here it's pure racist bull####.

Got em' here in Minnesota too....especially out in the rural areas. Big ### confederate flags nailed to the sides of garage's or barn's that face the interstate.

 

[oddball]

Update: Along with the confederate flag, he is now flying a MIA/POW flag right underneath it. You know the one, black with a silhouette of a head with its gaze downword.

 

[Flying V]

Update: Along with the confederate flag, he is now flying a MIA/POW flag right underneath it. You know the one, black with a silhouette of a head with its gaze downword.

I'm pretty sure all the Rebel prisoners were released a long time ago.

 

[TheIronSheik]

Update: Along with the confederate flag, he is now flying a MIA/POW flag right underneath it. You know the one, black with a silhouette of a head with its gaze downword.

What's wrong with the MIA/POW flag?

 

[Boondogle]

http://www.fftodayforums.com/forum/index.p...onfederate+flag

Here is the FFT take on this issue from October - enlightened discussion. My feelings are the first post.

 

[bentley]

To me, the confederate flag represents an illogical reminescence to a bygone white aristocracy that was built upon the evil institution of slavery.

And I'm a descendent of a confederate general who helped promote the "The South will rise again" message during the antebellum.

Nobody in this whole thread pointed out that this genius completely blew the meaning of the big word he was trying to impress us with? The antebellum period was the period before the war. It'd be a general with a pretty keen sense of foresight that would be saying that before the war.

 

[phthalatemagic]

To me, the confederate flag represents an illogical reminescence to a bygone white aristocracy that was built upon the evil institution of slavery.

And I'm a descendent of a confederate general who helped promote the "The South will rise again" message during the antebellum.

Nobody in this whole thread pointed out that this genius completely blew the meaning of the big word he was trying to impress us with? The antebellum period was the period before the war. It'd be a general with a pretty keen sense of foresight that would be saying that before the war.

They were all just hopeful defeatists

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

To me, the confederate flag represents an illogical reminescence to a bygone white aristocracy that was built upon the evil institution of slavery.

And I'm a descendent of a confederate general who helped promote the "The South will rise again" message during the antebellum.

Nobody in this whole thread pointed out that this genius completely blew the meaning of the big word he was trying to impress us with? The antebellum period was the period before the war. It'd be a general with a pretty keen sense of foresight that would be saying that before the war.

I saw it. But I was going to wait for a few more replies.Way to jump the gun!

 

[Sheriff66]

Lynyrd Skynyrd

 

[Brutis]

The Rebel flag means about the same for me as that flag with the dopey bear on it (Callifornia i think). Its just a flag, yippie.

Only flag that has any special meaning to me is the American flag.

 

[warpedone]

In today's culture, it's not a whole lot different than this which for thousands of years was considered a sacred symbol. I wouldn't advise flying this outside your house nowadays.

 

[Gadabout]

To me, it represents Southern pride.

And there's nothing wrong with that.

 

[Brutis]

To me, it represents Southern pride.And there's nothing wrong with that.

I would agree with that, Im not from the south but I can understand people having pride in there region. Im the same way for the Northeast.

 

[tommyboy]

dip#### rednecks that can't get over the fact they got smoked in the civil war. Gee its only been like 150 years now...moveon.org

 

[Brutis]

dip#### rednecks that can't get over the fact they got smoked in the civil war. Gee its only been like 150 years now...moveon.org

Yeah, they need to just get over it already like the African Americans have.

 

[tommyboy]

i once made the mistake of asking a room full of native alabamans what was the big deal about the confederate flag? the horror....

 

[Orange Crush]

To me, the confederate flag represents an illogical reminescence to a bygone white aristocracy that was built upon the evil institution of slavery.

And I'm a descendent of a confederate general who helped promote the "The South will rise again" message during the antebellum.

Nobody in this whole thread pointed out that this genius completely blew the meaning of the big word he was trying to impress us with? The antebellum period was the period before the war. It'd be a general with a pretty keen sense of foresight that would be saying that before the war.

What would be the correct word? Postbellum?

 

[timschochet]

To me, the confederate flag represents an illogical reminescence to a bygone white aristocracy that was built upon the evil institution of slavery.

And I'm a descendent of a confederate general who helped promote the "The South will rise again" message during the antebellum.

Nobody in this whole thread pointed out that this genius completely blew the meaning of the big word he was trying to impress us with? The antebellum period was the period before the war. It'd be a general with a pretty keen sense of foresight that would be saying that before the war.

What would be the correct word? Postbellum?

Reconstruction?

 

[Orange Crush]

To me, the confederate flag represents an illogical reminescence to a bygone white aristocracy that was built upon the evil institution of slavery.

And I'm a descendent of a confederate general who helped promote the "The South will rise again" message during the antebellum.

Nobody in this whole thread pointed out that this genius completely blew the meaning of the big word he was trying to impress us with? The antebellum period was the period before the war. It'd be a general with a pretty keen sense of foresight that would be saying that before the war.

What would be the correct word? Postbellum?

Reconstruction?

Yeah, that was it. It didn't come to mind. Once again ...

 

[Gadabout]

A smokin' hot babe sporting a confederate flag somewhere on her clothing = Freak

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

To me, the confederate flag brings to mind Bo and Luke Duke and the General Lee.

To some others, it has racist overtones, or may even be an overtly racist symbol.

To still others, it implies racism not at all, but is a symbol of what is good about the South (racism being non-good).

I've only known one dude who liked to wear clothing with the confederate flag symbol on it (usually a hat). He was from Georgia. He was a transplant to California, but identified with his southern heritage and the confederate flag symbolized that for him. FWIW, he is black.

 

[bentley]

A smokin' hot babe sporting a confederate flag somewhere on her clothing = Freak

The first strip club I ever went into was the Maiden Voyage in New Orleans the day after my 21st birthday. I immediately fell in love with one of the hottest strippers I've ever seen to this day wearing (and later not wearing) a Confederate battle flag bikini.

 

[mr. furley]

Wisconsin - reminds me of all the local hillbilly yokels who paste them all over their truck windows/bumpers. up here it's pure racist bull####.

saw some redneck 18ish year old kid in a jacked up truck covered in mud flying a 6 ft wide Confederate flag off the back.odds are this kid has no idea what the flag means... or that there was ever a Civil War.makes me want to run the kid off the road and then run over his head.

 

[gary mexico]

Wisconsin - reminds me of all the local hillbilly yokels who paste them all over their truck windows/bumpers. up here it's pure racist bull####.

saw some redneck 18ish year old kid in a jacked up truck covered in mud flying a 6 ft wide Confederate flag off the back.odds are this kid has no idea what the flag means... or that there was ever a Civil War.makes me want to run the kid off the road and then run over his head.

My money is on the 18 year old redneck....

 

[mr. furley]

Wisconsin - reminds me of all the local hillbilly yokels who paste them all over their truck windows/bumpers. up here it's pure racist bull####.

saw some redneck 18ish year old kid in a jacked up truck covered in mud flying a 6 ft wide Confederate flag off the back.odds are this kid has no idea what the flag means... or that there was ever a Civil War.makes me want to run the kid off the road and then run over his head.

My money is on the 18 year old redneck....

that's one thick head... which i guess makes sense

 

[gary mexico]

Wisconsin - reminds me of all the local hillbilly yokels who paste them all over their truck windows/bumpers. up here it's pure racist bull####.

saw some redneck 18ish year old kid in a jacked up truck covered in mud flying a 6 ft wide Confederate flag off the back.odds are this kid has no idea what the flag means... or that there was ever a Civil War.makes me want to run the kid off the road and then run over his head.

My money is on the 18 year old redneck....

that's one thick head... which i guess makes sense

I dont have a dog in this fight since Im not from the south. But I'd rather see that for some reason than some white dude with his pants hanging off his crack, cornrows in his hair talking like he's from the ghetto instead of the burbs... Thats just me tho.

 

[Mjolnirs]

saw some redneck 18ish year old kid in a jacked up truck covered in mud flying a 6 ft wide Confederate flag off the back.odds are this kid has no idea what the flag means

I personally can't stand people like that.

 

[tonydead]

saw some redneck 18ish year old kid in a jacked up truck covered in mud flying a 6 ft wide Confederate flag off the back.odds are this kid has no idea what the flag means

I personally can't stand people like that.

Living in south, south, southern Louisiana right now. These flags are all over the place and guys in trucks like that are a dime a dozen. I kind of like the flag for the same reasons MT listed.

 

[bentley]

To me, the confederate flag represents an illogical reminescence to a bygone white aristocracy that was built upon the evil institution of slavery.

And I'm a descendent of a confederate general who helped promote the "The South will rise again" message during the antebellum.

Nobody in this whole thread pointed out that this genius completely blew the meaning of the big word he was trying to impress us with? The antebellum period was the period before the war. It'd be a general with a pretty keen sense of foresight that would be saying that before the war.

I thought for sure my response in this thread was going to be about this brunette I saw in a confederate flag bikini at Maiden Voyage on Bourbon Street the night I turned 21. One of the two or three hottest strippers I've ever seen. I get a semi every time I see the confederate flag to this day.

 

[Hastur]

I started this thread four years ago with an out-loud thought about the confederate flag being prominently being displayed down the street from my house. While living in New Jersey.

Now here I am, living in South Carolina. Surrounded by confederate flags.

Irony? Karma?

 

[Otis]

Racist uneducates.

 

[gary mexico]

I started this thread four years ago with an out-loud thought about the confederate flag being prominently being displayed down the street from my house. While living in New Jersey.Now here I am, living in South Carolina. Surrounded by confederate flags. Irony? Karma?

Very fitting