What does the confederate flag mean to you? (1 Viewer)

[Officer Pete Malloy]

do you think Southern whites are going to be resentful of it? Sounds like the prevailing emotion down there is more like resignation. I'd be interested to hear your thoughts.

If/when it comes down there will be plenty of anger and resentment. People feel this is the product of outside influence, and they aren't happy about it.It will be interesting to see how this plays out politically though. The last governor that made a move on the flag did not get re-elected. Whether the flag comes down or not, it will be interesting to see the re-election percentages based on what side of the vote a politician is on.

Those poor poor people!

Imagine their suffering, Tre.

 

[Jayrok]

do you think Southern whites are going to be resentful of it? Sounds like the prevailing emotion down there is more like resignation. I'd be interested to hear your thoughts.

If/when it comes down there will be plenty of anger and resentment. People feel this is the product of outside influence, and they aren't happy about it.It will be interesting to see how this plays out politically though. The last governor that made a move on the flag did not get re-elected. Whether the flag comes down or not, it will be interesting to see the re-election percentages based on what side of the vote a politician is on.

Those poor poor people!

Imagine their suffering, Tre.

 

[General Malaise]

I didn't see the abortion known as Dukes of Hazard: The Movie, but did they scrub out the Confederate flat on the General Lee?

 

[jon_mx]

This is Ben Watson, New Orleans Saints TE. He's a great person and I like what he says here

It's hard to explain how I feel when I see the rebel flag. The emotional bucket overflows with anger, trepidation, sorrow, a perverted pride and apathy. As hard as I try not to make assumptions about whoever is flying the flag or driving around with it mounted on their truck, my mind can not hold back the painful images of the past generations.... and the current one. The nine racially motivated murders of last week, have written a new chapter in the annals of race violence in this country. And at the center of it all, proudly displayed in images of the killer, the rebel flag.

When I moved to South Carolina in 1996, albeit from the southern state of Virginia, I was somewhat taken aback by the frequency of which I saw the flag. It was on vehicles, displayed on homes, and worn on t-shirts. Like grits and sweet tea, the flag was just part of the culture, an enduring symbol of all things southern. This never changed how I felt about it, but it did teach me to give individuals a certain amount of grace and realize that not everyone who embraced the flag embraced prejudice and supremacy alike.

I can remember visiting a teammate's home for the first time my sophomore year. Frank, a white offensive guard on my high school football team, had quickly become my closest friend, welcoming me, the new guy, when others weren’t so quick to do so. As I walked into his room, I froze, staring uncomfortably at the large Rebel flag, hanging above his bed. I remember the lump in my throat as I briefly attempted to convey in the most non-condemning way, what the flag represented to me and many others like me. Because of the lingering heaviness of the moment, I can’t recall much after that but I do remember how valued I felt, when I returned to Frank’s home some time later and the flag was gone! He didn’t have to, but because he cared about our friendship, because he cared about me, he empathetically removed the offensive banner on my behalf and maybe for the first time heard how painful that symbol could be. That day was a turning point in our relationship and today; Frank continues to be one of my best friends.

It should not take the brutal, senseless killings of innocent black Americans in a church by a young white man, to ensure the removal of the confederate battle flag from the State House grounds where it has flown in proud defiance of the civil rights movement since the 1960’s. If the flag wasn’t problematic before this heinous crime it should not be problematic now, and to hastily remove it in response to this slaughter, although a sympathetic (and economic) gesture, does not address the heart of the matter. In my estimation it is indeed the HEART, that is the matter. Displaying the confederate flag is not inherently wrong. This is not NECESSARILY an issue on which we can take a moral stance. It is not a simple right or wrong dilemma. I understand that for some, the confederate battle flag does not evoke sentiments of racism or supremacy; it is simply a tribute to their heritage, ancestors, and homeland. For others, including the killer, it means much more and for others it is a hiding place for passive racism and group "identity." It is without a doubt, however, a litmus test, exposing our willingness to deny our liberty, our freedom, to fly the flag of our choice, for the sake of offending our countrymen whose SHARED HERITAGE is conversely stained with death, injustice, rape, terror and inferiority.

If we remove the Confederate flag from the State Capitol for any reason other than a change in the hearts of South Carolinians, we may as well leave it be. This is not the time for political statements and worrying about national perception. But if we, like my friend Frank, finally listen to the cries and concerns of those we say we care about, soften our hearts, and choose to lay our liberties aside to assuage the pain of our brothers, the only suitable option would be a unanimous decision to remove the flag from the public grounds at the Palmetto State Capitol. The past and it's people, as acclaimed or afflicted as they may be, should always be remembered. But it is difficult to completely "move forward" if painful, divisive icons continue to stand unchallenged.

Sometimes, tragedies have a way of jolting us, laying the truth about us individually and collectively, stark naked for all to see. The outpouring for Charleston has been nothing short of extraordinary and inspiring. Sometimes it takes one person, one neighborhood, one city, and one state to show the unifying love of Christ to the world. As a canyon is carved by the flow of a river long dried up, may the passion of this week cut deep, leaving a permanent change in hearts and souls long after the emotion has gone.

https://www.facebook.com/BenjaminWatsonOfficial/posts/718321871628280

Note - Ben is also a great sleeper pick for anyone leaving TE for the last 2 rounds in redraft.

These type of stories are more effective than the rhetoric from the talking heads.

 

[TheIronSheik]

I didn't see the abortion known as Dukes of Hazard: The Movie, but did they scrub out the Confederate flat on the General Lee?

No. They actually made a pretty funny joke referencing it and how people were giving them the stink eye for having it.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

I didn't see the abortion known as Dukes of Hazard: The Movie, but did they scrub out the Confederate flat on the General Lee?

Didn't see it but looks like it is still there http://www.seriouswheels.com/pics-1960-1969/1969-Dodge-Charger-General-Lee-DOH-R-SS-JK-1920x1440.jpg

Of course the type of people that went to see that movie probably either don't care or asked "what's up with that England flag on the car?"

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

At the Tennessee Capitol in Nashville, a bust of Nathan Bedford Forrest, a Confederate general and an early Ku Klux Klan leader, has sat in an alcove outside the Senate chamber for decades.

Democratic and Republican leaders are calling for the bust to be removed.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3135820/Hillary-Clinton-camp-won-t-say-Confederate-flag-button-official-92-presidential-campaign.html

Ok that sht needs to go.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

At the Tennessee Capitol in Nashville, a bust of Nathan Bedford Forrest, a Confederate general and an early Ku Klux Klan leader, has sat in an alcove outside the Senate chamber for decades.

Democratic and Republican leaders are calling for the bust to be removed.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3135820/Hillary-Clinton-camp-won-t-say-Confederate-flag-button-official-92-presidential-campaign.htmlOk that sht needs to go.

But but but but....HERITAGE!

 

[Fennis]

I didn't see the abortion known as Dukes of Hazard: The Movie, but did they scrub out the Confederate flat on the General Lee?

No. They actually made a pretty funny joke referencing it and how people were giving them the stink eye for having it.

 

[Otis]

I know the flag is a lightning rod, but it is the soldiers' flag, and that is what I see.

The red one with a swastika on it was also someone's "soldiers' flag."

This comparison is being made all over the place today- I must have heard it a dozen times or more. And I find it offensive.

Slavery was a terrible evil. And the South were wrong to secede. And the Confederate flag is a symbol of slavery, and should be removed. But the Confederacy were not Nazis. They didn't exterminate people en masse, and they weren't a dictatorship either. They were made up of Americans who valued most of the same principles as other Americans, and who believed that ultimately they were fighting for freedom- not for the Fuhrerprinzip.

It's gotten to the point in our politics where every time somebody does something we don't like, we compare them to the ####### Nazis.

Not really. It's a fair analogy. You've got a bunch of people with ideologies that the rest of us think are incredibly screwed up, and those people with those screwed up ideologies are willing to fight and die for them, and they have a flag that represents their fight and their crazy ideologies, and to this day they still honor that crazy ideology flag. You can argue one is a whole lot worse than the other, but the concept is the same.

There are state capitols in Germany flying the Swastika? News to me.

No. But there's a guy on the internet claim it to be a "soldiers' flag" and that being the reason he respects and admires it and flies it on top of his '69 Charger.

 

[TobiasFunke]

do you think Southern whites are going to be resentful of it? Sounds like the prevailing emotion down there is more like resignation. I'd be interested to hear your thoughts.

If/when it comes down there will be plenty of anger and resentment. People feel this is the product of outside influence, and they aren't happy about it.It will be interesting to see how this plays out politically though. The last governor that made a move on the flag did not get re-elected. Whether the flag comes down or not, it will be interesting to see the re-election percentages based on what side of the vote a politician is on.

Those poor poor people!

Imagine their suffering, Tre.

12 Years a Guy Who Didn't See the Confederate Flag on Public Property

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

do you think Southern whites are going to be resentful of it? Sounds like the prevailing emotion down there is more like resignation. I'd be interested to hear your thoughts.

If/when it comes down there will be plenty of anger and resentment. People feel this is the product of outside influence, and they aren't happy about it.It will be interesting to see how this plays out politically though. The last governor that made a move on the flag did not get re-elected. Whether the flag comes down or not, it will be interesting to see the re-election percentages based on what side of the vote a politician is on.

Those poor poor people!

Imagine their suffering, Tre.

Beyond words, imoo

 

[Fennis]

do you think Southern whites are going to be resentful of it? Sounds like the prevailing emotion down there is more like resignation. I'd be interested to hear your thoughts.

If/when it comes down there will be plenty of anger and resentment. People feel this is the product of outside influence, and they aren't happy about it.
It will be interesting to see how this plays out politically though. The last governor that made a move on the flag did not get re-elected. Whether the flag comes down or not, it will be interesting to see the re-election percentages based on what side of the vote a politician is on.

Those poor poor people!

Imagine their suffering, Tre.

12 Years a Guy Who Didn't See the Confederate Flag on Public Property

Django Chained

 

[General Malaise]

At the Tennessee Capitol in Nashville, a bust of Nathan Bedford Forrest, a Confederate general and an early Ku Klux Klan leader, has sat in an alcove outside the Senate chamber for decades.

Democratic and Republican leaders are calling for the bust to be removed.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3135820/Hillary-Clinton-camp-won-t-say-Confederate-flag-button-official-92-presidential-campaign.htmlOk that sht needs to go.

But but but but....HERITAGE!

That Forrest is just no good.

 

[General Tso]

If you want to go the "by extension" route it gets even more ridiculous than that. But let's not.

Why not? The PC police extend their reach constantly. And some point you have to tell them to shove it and draw a line. Probably have a point about the confederate flag on state houses, but street names and monuments? Sports team names. They are already moving to replace Alexander Hamilton on the $10, so it is not really even an extension. The seeds are being planted. The PC police have no love for the founding fathers.

What is so wrong with being politically correct? You talk about the 'PC police' as if they are going to destroy the very fabric of society...It's a flag that (probably) a majority of Americans find offensive. Why exactly do we need to be cautious about the 'PC police'?

I refer you to the thread on Liberalism killing free speech. You can no longer say "America is the land of opportunity" on a college campus in California.

False, of course. But don't let that stop you.

I'm just glad that in the midst of all this silly noise about mass murders in churches and rampant law enforcement abuse of power and threats from foreign and domestic terrorist groups, someone here has the courage to fight America's real enemy: overly cautious academics.

Funny note here: I googled this story and found it on foxnews.com. As a Fox News video clip played on the top of the screen with the message "UC School system bans the use of 'America, Land of Opportunity'" I read this exact quote further down the article:

She added that the university had not banned the words when it labeled them as examples of micro-aggressions and insisted that the university system is committed to upholding, encouraging and preserving academic freedom and the free flow of ideas.

Fox News, everyone.

As usual Tobias, you are wrong. You're consistent though, I'll give you that. You really shouldn't pop off with such confidence all the time, especially on matters you know very little about.These microaggressions were presented at Faculty Leadership Seminars for department chairs and Deans at the "invitation" of President Janet Napolitano. I highlight "invitation" because at the end of her letter she says that she will be briefed on all the sessions "and the attendance". Her expectations for the session couldn't be clearer. She wants microaggressions identified and removed from the day to day language.

One of the materials included with the invitation is an overview of "Chair/Dean responsibilities", which cites relevant passages in the Academic Personnel Manual. And on this one page document the words diversity, equal opportunity and affirmative action appear 12 times. There is also a ton of oter material, including a "Definitions" document that directly links the behaviors, attitudes and practices of faculty members with the overall campus climate. There is role play involved where microaggressions are identified and addressed. In short, it's a not so subtle reminder that although microaggressions may not be officially banned, their usage would definitely be construed as poor performance. The clear implication is that a Professor who wants to stay a Professor, or get tenured, shouldn't say them. There is even a document instructing Professors and Chairs on how to reframe or interrupt microaggressions. One excerpt shows how to respond when someone makes the horrible comment that everyone can succeed in this country, if they work hard enough.

Response - "So you feel that everyone in society can succeed if they work hard enough. Can you give me some examples?"

Yeah, this is the exact type of stuff we should all be cautious about when it comes to PC Police . It's lunacy by any standard, even yours. And if you think they are soft-shooing these microaggressions you are crazy. In Solorzano's PowerPoint presentation on microaggressions he defines them as "systematic everyday racism used to keep those at the racial margins in their place". He later calls them "assaults" and says they can be a form of "conscious racism". Lastly, he says that they lead to "anger, stress, poor academic performance, and poor health".

But hey - Tobias says that microaggressions aren't officially banned - and that the real nuts are FoxNews and Conservatives trying to stir up trouble in a thread about mass murders in churches and law enforcement abuse. Here's a little spot check for you T - this thread is about the Confederate flag, and I was responding directly to a post where someone was asking why we needed to be cautious about the PC Police. So stop being such a dink.

 

[Jayrod]

do you think Southern whites are going to be resentful of it? Sounds like the prevailing emotion down there is more like resignation. I'd be interested to hear your thoughts.

If/when it comes down there will be plenty of anger and resentment. People feel this is the product of outside influence, and they aren't happy about it.It will be interesting to see how this plays out politically though. The last governor that made a move on the flag did not get re-elected. Whether the flag comes down or not, it will be interesting to see the re-election percentages based on what side of the vote a politician is on.

Those poor poor people!

Imagine their suffering, Tre.

12 Years a Guy Who Didn't See the Confederate Flag on Public Property

 

[Leviathan]

Amazon is reporting that Confederate flag sales have gone up 3000%.

 

[dickey moe]

This is Ben Watson, New Orleans Saints TE. He's a great person and I like what he says here

It's hard to explain how I feel when I see the rebel flag. The emotional bucket overflows with anger, trepidation, sorrow, a perverted pride and apathy. As hard as I try not to make assumptions about whoever is flying the flag or driving around with it mounted on their truck, my mind can not hold back the painful images of the past generations.... and the current one. The nine racially motivated murders of last week, have written a new chapter in the annals of race violence in this country. And at the center of it all, proudly displayed in images of the killer, the rebel flag.

When I moved to South Carolina in 1996, albeit from the southern state of Virginia, I was somewhat taken aback by the frequency of which I saw the flag. It was on vehicles, displayed on homes, and worn on t-shirts. Like grits and sweet tea, the flag was just part of the culture, an enduring symbol of all things southern. This never changed how I felt about it, but it did teach me to give individuals a certain amount of grace and realize that not everyone who embraced the flag embraced prejudice and supremacy alike.

I can remember visiting a teammate's home for the first time my sophomore year. Frank, a white offensive guard on my high school football team, had quickly become my closest friend, welcoming me, the new guy, when others werent so quick to do so. As I walked into his room, I froze, staring uncomfortably at the large Rebel flag, hanging above his bed. I remember the lump in my throat as I briefly attempted to convey in the most non-condemning way, what the flag represented to me and many others like me. Because of the lingering heaviness of the moment, I cant recall much after that but I do remember how valued I felt, when I returned to Franks home some time later and the flag was gone! He didnt have to, but because he cared about our friendship, because he cared about me, he empathetically removed the offensive banner on my behalf and maybe for the first time heard how painful that symbol could be. That day was a turning point in our relationship and today; Frank continues to be one of my best friends.

It should not take the brutal, senseless killings of innocent black Americans in a church by a young white man, to ensure the removal of the confederate battle flag from the State House grounds where it has flown in proud defiance of the civil rights movement since the 1960s. If the flag wasnt problematic before this heinous crime it should not be problematic now, and to hastily remove it in response to this slaughter, although a sympathetic (and economic) gesture, does not address the heart of the matter. In my estimation it is indeed the HEART, that is the matter. Displaying the confederate flag is not inherently wrong. This is not NECESSARILY an issue on which we can take a moral stance. It is not a simple right or wrong dilemma. I understand that for some, the confederate battle flag does not evoke sentiments of racism or supremacy; it is simply a tribute to their heritage, ancestors, and homeland. For others, including the killer, it means much more and for others it is a hiding place for passive racism and group "identity." It is without a doubt, however, a litmus test, exposing our willingness to deny our liberty, our freedom, to fly the flag of our choice, for the sake of offending our countrymen whose SHARED HERITAGE is conversely stained with death, injustice, rape, terror and inferiority.

If we remove the Confederate flag from the State Capitol for any reason other than a change in the hearts of South Carolinians, we may as well leave it be. This is not the time for political statements and worrying about national perception. But if we, like my friend Frank, finally listen to the cries and concerns of those we say we care about, soften our hearts, and choose to lay our liberties aside to assuage the pain of our brothers, the only suitable option would be a unanimous decision to remove the flag from the public grounds at the Palmetto State Capitol. The past and it's people, as acclaimed or afflicted as they may be, should always be remembered. But it is difficult to completely "move forward" if painful, divisive icons continue to stand unchallenged.

Sometimes, tragedies have a way of jolting us, laying the truth about us individually and collectively, stark naked for all to see. The outpouring for Charleston has been nothing short of extraordinary and inspiring. Sometimes it takes one person, one neighborhood, one city, and one state to show the unifying love of Christ to the world. As a canyon is carved by the flow of a river long dried up, may the passion of this week cut deep, leaving a permanent change in hearts and souls long after the emotion has gone.

https://www.facebook.com/BenjaminWatsonOfficial/posts/718321871628280Note - Ben is also a great sleeper pick for anyone leaving TE for the last 2 rounds in redraft.

Watson's been one of the more thoughtful dudes in the NFL. I seem to recall that he achieved one of the highest Wonderlic scores ever, too.

 

[Jayrod]

Amazon is reporting that Confederate flag sales have gone up 3000%.

:X

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

Amazon is reporting that Confederate flag sales have gone up 3000%.

Predictable. Folks do not like views imposed upon them, and many will move exactly contrary to the perceived imposition.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Stanley Kubrick Civil War Series being made?

 

[urbanhack]

Microaggressions and Race Baiting in America

by General Tso

Look for it on bookshelves this fall.

 

[lod01]

$

When I put our confederate flag out on E-bay for the everyday low price of $9999.99. C'mon rednecks, come and get one of the last avalaible confederate flags.

Refridgerator confederate flag magnet for only $499.99.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/sales-of-confederate-flags-are-soaring-153357290.html

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Amazon is reporting that Confederate flag sales have gone up 3000%.

Yep. And I do believe Amazon and Ebay have halted sales of confederate merch. - Not sure if this is just the battle flag or all confederate stuff.

Nazi and Communist merch still available, natch.

 

[TheIronSheik]

Amazon is reporting that Confederate flag sales have gone up 3000%.

Another example of how these types of fights actually keep racism alive and well.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

Stanley Kubrick Civil War Series being made?

Featuring the controversial scene where General Sherman and his droogs rape Lee's wife.

 

[moleculo]

a brief perusal of my South Carolinian facebook friends posting on the topic shows unanimous support for the flag coming down. There are friends of friends who want to claim "Heritage" or whatever, but everyone I personally know who has weighed in supports taking the flag down.

One buddy of mine is the reddest of rednecks - he just compared it to the swastika, referencing how symbols can change over time.

folks, I do believe the tide of public opinion has shifted.

 

[Leviathan]

Amazon is reporting that Confederate flag sales have gone up 3000%.

Yep. And I do believe Amazon and Ebay have halted sales of confederate merch. - Not sure if this is just the battle flag or all confederate stuff.

Nazi and Communist merch still available, natch.

Good to know. My Swastika flag has seen better days.

 

[SHIZNITTTT]

How do you change the opinions of people who think blacks or any other color for that matter are not equal to whites?

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

Amazon is reporting that Confederate flag sales have gone up 3000%.

Another example of how these types of fights actually keep racism alive and well.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

How do you change the opinions of people who don't think blacks or any other color for that matter are not equal to whites?

They don't think blacks are not equal to whites?

 

[joffer]

Maybe Haley cares more about doing the right thing than she does about re-election. If so, bravo.

ive got more respect (which is very little) for someone who wanted the flag displayed before this, and still does

 

[General Tso]

Microaggressions and Race Baiting in America

by General Tso

Look for it on bookshelves this fall.

"Useless Posts and insipid Drivel"The Biography of Urbanhack, with a forward by Crackhead Bob.

 

[TobiasFunke]

As usual Tobias, you are wrong. You're consistent though, I'll give you that. You really shouldn't pop off with such confidence all the time, especially on matters you know very little about.These microaggressions were presented at Faculty Leadership Seminars for department chairs and Deans at the "invitation" of President Janet Napolitano. I highlight "invitation" because at the end of her letter she says that she will be briefed on all the sessions "and the attendance". Her expectations for the session couldn't be clearer. She wants microaggressions identified and removed from the day to day language.

One of the materials included with the invitation is an overview of "Chair/Dean responsibilities", which cites relevant passages in the Academic Personnel Manual. And on this one page document the words diversity, equal opportunity and affirmative action appear 12 times. There is also a ton of oter material, including a "Definitions" document that directly links the behaviors, attitudes and practices of faculty members with the overall campus climate. There is role play involved where microaggressions are identified and addressed. In short, it's a not so subtle reminder that although microaggressions may not be officially banned, their usage would definitely be construed as poor performance. The clear implication is that a Professor who wants to stay a Professor, or get tenured, shouldn't say them. There is even a document instructing Professors and Chairs on how to reframe or interrupt microaggressions. One excerpt shows how to respond when someone makes the horrible comment that everyone can succeed in this country, if they work hard enough.

Response - "So you feel that everyone in society can succeed if they work hard enough. Can you give me some examples?"

Yeah, this is the exact type of stuff we should all be cautious about when it comes to PC Police . It's lunacy by any standard, even yours. And if you think they are soft-shooing these microaggressions you are crazy. In Solorzano's PowerPoint presentation on microaggressions he defines them as "systematic everyday racism used to keep those at the racial margins in their place". He later calls them "assaults" and says they can be a form of "conscious racism". Lastly, he says that they lead to "anger, stress, poor academic performance, and poor health".

But hey - Tobias says that microaggressions aren't officially banned - and that the real nuts are FoxNews and Conservatives trying to stir up trouble in a thread about mass murders in churches and law enforcement abuse. Here's a little spot check for you T - this thread is about the Confederate flag, and I was responding directly to a post where someone was asking why we needed to be cautious about the PC Police. So stop being such a dink.

Can you help me out? I'm trying to find the part where someone bans others from saying that "America is the land of opportunity." This is a lot of words, I'm sure it's in there somewhere.

Because if it isn't ... well, for someone who seems troubled by the notion of people who play "thought police" you sure seem eager to interpret the sentiments and motivations to others who did not speak or write anything like what what you ascribe to them.

Keep fighting that good fight on behalf of the academic community, though. Eyes on the prize. We shall overcome.

 

[General Malaise]

Maybe Haley cares more about doing the right thing than she does about re-election. If so, bravo.

ive got more respect (which is very little) for someone who wanted the flag displayed before this, and still does

Oh, okay.

 

[Mr. Cross]

I think of white people torturing and murdering black people.

 

[Bull Dozier]

I didn't see the abortion known as Dukes of Hazard: The Movie, but did they scrub out the Confederate flat on the General Lee?

No. They actually made a pretty funny joke referencing it and how people were giving them the stink eye for having it.

The Duke bros are doing Cars.com add in the General and I've notices they shoot it strategically so as to not show the roof of tha car. I can't tell if there is a flag there or if it is blank.

 

[Slapdash]

At the Tennessee Capitol in Nashville, a bust of Nathan Bedford Forrest, a Confederate general and an early Ku Klux Klan leader, has sat in an alcove outside the Senate chamber for decades.

Democratic and Republican leaders are calling for the bust to be removed.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3135820/Hillary-Clinton-camp-won-t-say-Confederate-flag-button-official-92-presidential-campaign.html

Ok that sht needs to go.

Though this speech on his wiki page was interesting. Evidently his last public speech and it was to a black organization:

"Ladies and Gentlemen I accept the flowers as a memento of reconciliation between the white and colored races of the southern states. I accept it more particularly as it comes from a colored lady, for if there is any one on God's earth who loves the ladies I believe it is myself. ( Immense applause and laughter.) This day is a day that is proud to me, having occupied the position that I did for the past twelve years, and been misunderstood by your race. This is the first opportunity I have had during that time to say that I am your friend. I am here a representative of the southern people, one more slandered and maligned than any man in the nation. I will say to you and to the colored race that men who bore arms and followed the flag of the Confederacy are, with very few exceptions, your friends. I have an opportunity of saying what I have always felt - that I am your friend, for my interests are your interests, and your interests are my interests. We were born on the same soil, breathe the same air, and live in the same land. Why, then, can we not live as brothers? I will say that when the war broke out I felt it my duty to stand by my people. When the time came I did the best I could, and I don't believe I flickered. I came here with the jeers of some white people, who think that I am doing wrong. I believe that I can exert some influence, and do much to assist the people in strengthening fraternal relations, and shall do all in my power to bring about peace. It has always been my motto to elevate every man- to depress none. (Applause.) I want to elevate you to take positions in law offices, in stores, on farms, and wherever you are capable of going. I have not said anything about politics today. I don't propose to say anything about politics. You have a right to elect whom you please; vote for the man you think best, and I think, when that is done, that you and I are freemen. Do as you consider right and honest in electing men for office. I did not come here to make you a long speech, although invited to do so by you. I am not much of a speaker, and my business prevented me from preparing myself. I came to meet you as friends, and welcome you to the white people. I want you to come nearer to us. When I can serve you I will do so. We have but one flag, one country; let us stand together. We may differ in color, but not in sentiment. Use your best judgement in selecting men for office and vote as you think right.Many things have been said about me which are wrong, and which white and black persons here, who stood by me through the war, can contradict. I have been in the heat of battle when colored men, asked me to protect them. I have placed myself between them and the bullets of my men, and told them they should be kept unharmed. Go to work, be industrious, live honestly and act truly, and when you are oppressed I'll come to your relief. I thank you, ladies and gentlemen, for this opportunity you have afforded me to be with you, and to assure you that I am with you in heart and in hand."

 

[TheIronSheik]

I think of white people torturing and murdering black people.

I'm sure you do. But what does the flag mean to you?

 

[TheIronSheik]

I didn't see the abortion known as Dukes of Hazard: The Movie, but did they scrub out the Confederate flat on the General Lee?

No. They actually made a pretty funny joke referencing it and how people were giving them the stink eye for having it.

The Duke bros are doing Cars.com add in the General and I've notices they shoot it strategically so as to not show the roof of tha car. I can't tell if there is a flag there or if it is blank.

It's blank in those commercials.

 

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

You really have to wonder about anyone who would pose in front of the General Lee.

 

[lod01]

Debating this on every news channel is yet another fine example of the US circling the bowl.

 

[lod01]

$

When I put our confederate flag out on E-bay for the everyday low price of $9999.99. C'mon rednecks, come and get one of the last avalaible confederate flags.

Refridgerator confederate flag magnet for only $499.99.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/sales-of-confederate-flags-are-soaring-153357290.html

Moving to Amazon. Craigslist. Ebay & Amazon have gone wussified and now ban my flag for sale. Communists!

 

[TobiasFunke]

You really have to wonder about anyone who would pose in front of the General Lee.

How about that forward-thinking genius in the camo shorts creeping into the frame? He knew such a photo might come back to haunt him. Plus he has outstanding fashion sense.

 

[General Malaise]

You really have to wonder about anyone who would pose in front of the General Lee.

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[General Malaise]

At the Tennessee Capitol in Nashville, a bust of Nathan Bedford Forrest, a Confederate general and an early Ku Klux Klan leader, has sat in an alcove outside the Senate chamber for decades.

Democratic and Republican leaders are calling for the bust to be removed.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3135820/Hillary-Clinton-camp-won-t-say-Confederate-flag-button-official-92-presidential-campaign.html

Ok that sht needs to go.

Though this speech on his wiki page was interesting. Evidently his last public speech and it was to a black organization:

"Ladies and Gentlemen I accept the flowers as a memento of reconciliation between the white and colored races of the southern states. I accept it more particularly as it comes from a colored lady, for if there is any one on God's earth who loves the ladies I believe it is myself. ( Immense applause and laughter.) This day is a day that is proud to me, having occupied the position that I did for the past twelve years, and been misunderstood by your race. This is the first opportunity I have had during that time to say that I am your friend. I am here a representative of the southern people, one more slandered and maligned than any man in the nation. I will say to you and to the colored race that men who bore arms and followed the flag of the Confederacy are, with very few exceptions, your friends. I have an opportunity of saying what I have always felt - that I am your friend, for my interests are your interests, and your interests are my interests. We were born on the same soil, breathe the same air, and live in the same land. Why, then, can we not live as brothers? I will say that when the war broke out I felt it my duty to stand by my people. When the time came I did the best I could, and I don't believe I flickered. I came here with the jeers of some white people, who think that I am doing wrong. I believe that I can exert some influence, and do much to assist the people in strengthening fraternal relations, and shall do all in my power to bring about peace. It has always been my motto to elevate every man- to depress none. (Applause.) I want to elevate you to take positions in law offices, in stores, on farms, and wherever you are capable of going. I have not said anything about politics today. I don't propose to say anything about politics. You have a right to elect whom you please; vote for the man you think best, and I think, when that is done, that you and I are freemen. Do as you consider right and honest in electing men for office. I did not come here to make you a long speech, although invited to do so by you. I am not much of a speaker, and my business prevented me from preparing myself. I came to meet you as friends, and welcome you to the white people. I want you to come nearer to us. When I can serve you I will do so. We have but one flag, one country; let us stand together. We may differ in color, but not in sentiment. Use your best judgement in selecting men for office and vote as you think right.Many things have been said about me which are wrong, and which white and black persons here, who stood by me through the war, can contradict. I have been in the heat of battle when colored men, asked me to protect them. I have placed myself between them and the bullets of my men, and told them they should be kept unharmed. Go to work, be industrious, live honestly and act truly, and when you are oppressed I'll come to your relief. I thank you, ladies and gentlemen, for this opportunity you have afforded me to be with you, and to assure you that I am with you in heart and in hand."

Yeah, Forrest is an interesting cat. From what I remember, he didn't want be associated with the KKK if the KKK was going to be a racist organization against blacks. I'll have to relook, but he left when that was the direction it was heading. I also think he was the only civilian elevated to the role of General or some such.

That's a speech that reads incongruous to his legacy.

 

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

You really have to wonder about anyone who would pose in front of the General Lee.

How about that forward-thinking genius in the camo shorts creeping into the frame? He knew such a photo might come back to haunt him. Plus he has outstanding fashion sense.

Zilla is always on the right side of history.

 

[General Malaise]

You really have to wonder about anyone who would pose in front of the General Lee.

How about that forward-thinking genius in the camo shorts creeping into the frame? He knew such a photo might come back to haunt him. Plus he has outstanding fashion sense.

lolz....I didn't even see him!

REVISED!

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[lod01]

Anyone got some confederate books to burn? Why stop at the flag?

I've got $1 and 20 confederate bills. Should I burn them or sell them on Ebay? unfortunately they were printed in the south and not in Richmond, Virginia. It the mint was Virginia, they are worth big $.

 

[matttyl]

I don't know if I should laugh or cry....