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stevegamer
Footballguy
Eaten a banned substance - power pellets?
Yah_Shoor_Yoobetchya
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-OZ-
Footballguy
no, what would be shocking is if the Titans ever did anything of subastance to discipline him.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
When I first saw the post, I thought it said that Pacman started a Fight Club.
derek19
Footballguy
Titans | A. Jones in trouble again?Published Tue Feb 20 10:58:00 a.m. ET 2007
(KFFL) Jim Wyatt, of the Tennessean, reports Tennessee Titans CB Adam Jones was wanted for questioning by police regarding a triple shooting at a Las Vegas strip club early Monday, Feb. 19. Jones was at the scene of the crime while attending the NBA All-Star Game and other festivities over the past weekend. Jones, however, told his attorney he was not involved in the shooting. "I asked him: 'Was anybody in your group involved in the shooting? And he said, "No,'' attorney Worrick Robinson said. "I said, "Then why did you leave? He said, "When there's guns there's always someone else coming with a gun. That's what you do. You get out of there."
ETA: I did a search for "Jones" and nothing came up.. Should of searched for Pacman. Didn't see the thread at the bottom. Sorry guys.
(KFFL) Jim Wyatt, of the Tennessean, reports Tennessee Titans CB Adam Jones was wanted for questioning by police regarding a triple shooting at a Las Vegas strip club early Monday, Feb. 19. Jones was at the scene of the crime while attending the NBA All-Star Game and other festivities over the past weekend. Jones, however, told his attorney he was not involved in the shooting. "I asked him: 'Was anybody in your group involved in the shooting? And he said, "No,'' attorney Worrick Robinson said. "I said, "Then why did you leave? He said, "When there's guns there's always someone else coming with a gun. That's what you do. You get out of there."
ETA: I did a search for "Jones" and nothing came up.. Should of searched for Pacman. Didn't see the thread at the bottom. Sorry guys.
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redman
Footballguy
Then what good is his posse if they're just going to run at the first sign of trouble? PacMan's street cred just took a major hit.
Yah_Shoor_Yoobetchya
Footballguy
PACMAN is a "bullet magnet".
redman
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Gottabesweet
Footballguy
The NBA is trash, wasn't Darrent Williams leaving a NBA players birthday party when his car got shot?
Slingblade
Footballguy
Police have stated pac-man is a witness, not a suspect.
Non-issue.
Non-issue.
redman
Footballguy
Of course, that's how it started for Ray Lewis. Uh huh.
Yah_Shoor_Yoobetchya
Footballguy
“Biting a bouncer’s ankle”? Are you freaking kidding me? 
From NFL.com:
From NFL.com:
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This according to rotoworld.com
Co-owner Robert Susner of Minxx Gentlemen's Club in Las Vegas claims Pacman Jones came and left with the shooter in a gunfight that took place Monday night.
"He denied any knowledge of the shooter, but he was sitting right next to him," the owner said. Pacman's attorney has denied any connection between his client and the shooter(s). The owner said the melee began when Jones threw hundreds of $1 bills in the air and a stripper grabbed for it. He allegedly took her by the hair, slammed her face into the stage, and a security guard had to break it up. According to Susner, Jones then threatened to kill the peacemaker, and the friend went to his car for the gun- source Associated Press
Co-owner Robert Susner of Minxx Gentlemen's Club in Las Vegas claims Pacman Jones came and left with the shooter in a gunfight that took place Monday night.
"He denied any knowledge of the shooter, but he was sitting right next to him," the owner said. Pacman's attorney has denied any connection between his client and the shooter(s). The owner said the melee began when Jones threw hundreds of $1 bills in the air and a stripper grabbed for it. He allegedly took her by the hair, slammed her face into the stage, and a security guard had to break it up. According to Susner, Jones then threatened to kill the peacemaker, and the friend went to his car for the gun- source Associated Press
Slingblade
Footballguy
Lmao, he showed that stripper who is boss.
Wilbur Wood
Footballguy
There are articles everywhere (see Bill Simmons and Jason Whitlock) as to what an utter disgrace the "weekend" surrounding the NBA All Star game was in Las Vegas.
In summary - the gangster/rap crowd was everywhere. NBA players and guys like PacMan had possees of "scum" everywhere. It was unsafe to walk the streets. Guys with wife's left town early because their ladies were getting "fondled" in the hallways. Stuff getting stolen everywhere. Just head a half-dozen callers on WFAN who were there (and all were long time Vegas visitors) corroborate all of this with first hand accounts.
In summary - the gangster/rap crowd was everywhere. NBA players and guys like PacMan had possees of "scum" everywhere. It was unsafe to walk the streets. Guys with wife's left town early because their ladies were getting "fondled" in the hallways. Stuff getting stolen everywhere. Just head a half-dozen callers on WFAN who were there (and all were long time Vegas visitors) corroborate all of this with first hand accounts.
GroveDiesel
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Mediocrity
Footballguy
Listen, I know you have him in for a 3-year contract in your little IDP league, but this is an issue. He's scum and he's looking at murder.
Yah_Shoor_Yoobetchya
Footballguy
3C's
Footballguy
sounds like they can get him on a couple of counts of aggravated assault and possibly a couple of counts of attempted murder. one of the victims was hit in the spine and is now paralyzed. ####### #######s. If true, he should be out of the league forever and locked up for a long time.Is this "Breaking News"? Did one of the shooting victims die?
mr. id
Footballguy
gb white paranoia
The club owner was on ESPN radio this morning giving a very measured and more detailed account.
Paraphrasing but he went off about what kind of man would assault a woman and punch her in the face? Says, "Apparently, Pacman Jones is that kind of man."
Said Jones told the security guard "I'm going to -expletive- kill you." And then says one of Jones' group "made good on the threat" and went out to his car, produced a gun and came back shooting.
Nobody is dead but the bullet severed the spinal cord of one bouncer and he is now paralyzed from the waist down.
Jones' attorney has a very different version.
The really interesting part - The club owner says he has this all on videotape.
We'll see.
J
Paraphrasing but he went off about what kind of man would assault a woman and punch her in the face? Says, "Apparently, Pacman Jones is that kind of man."
Said Jones told the security guard "I'm going to -expletive- kill you." And then says one of Jones' group "made good on the threat" and went out to his car, produced a gun and came back shooting.
Nobody is dead but the bullet severed the spinal cord of one bouncer and he is now paralyzed from the waist down.
Jones' attorney has a very different version.
The really interesting part - The club owner says he has this all on videotape.
We'll see.
J
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Really?I'll be stunned if he's not there on opening day. For the Titans. Unless they have video of him pulling the trigger, the Titans will sit pat and be scared to do anything. This is not the first time for Jones to be in trouble.It might be a Ray Lewis fine type thing. Maybe.J
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
gb white paranoia
Not sure what you're referring to here. Jason Whitlock is black. Is his article still "white paranoia?"
The tape will definitely be the smoking gun one way or the other. Either it backs up the club owner's claims and Pacman is going to jail, or it doesn't show what the owner claims and he's going to get sued for defamation. Hopefully Grissom and his crew will be able to get all the evidence sorted out and nail whomever is responsible.
Koya
Footballguy
The difference is Ray apparantly was at the scene of a murder but was not involved directly in any real altercation, unless I recall incorrectly.The club owner states that there is video evidence of Pacman Smashing a dancers head on the table/floor, punching her, his GF smashing the bouncer over the head with a bottle, PacMan BITING the bouncer, PacMan going ACCROSS the room to punch the same dancer AGAIN and although I doubt you have audio, Pacman proclaiming that one of the bouncers will be killed.Thats a LOT more involved than having your posse go nuts without you being an active participant.
redman
Footballguy
GB playing the race card at the first opportunity. What, "whites" have a monopoly on expectations of decent conduct and accountability? I'm sure you didn't mean that.gb white paranoia
Yes, but punching women and fighting bouncers is sadly pretty standard fare for NFL players. And that's all they "have" on Jones right now. Shooting a guy in the chest 3 times is an entirely different matter. And even the club owner is not claiming Pacman did the shooting if I'm understanding him right.Punching women and biting ankles is what you get with Pacman. And the Titans will do nothing while Bud smiles and says, "but he sure does run faaaaaast."We'll see.J
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redman
Footballguy
The law allows people to be charged as a group for actions taken in concert with each other. The key here will be the relationship of Jones with the shooter both in general and also that night. This is looking more and more like Ray Lewis, but apparently with more information that the football player was directly involved in an altercation than was available with Lewis.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
If they have Jones punching the woman and biting the guy's ankle along with a witness or two saying that he instructed his boys to "smoke his ***" then he's going to prison this time. Even if he didn't pull the trigger, if he instigated the whole thing and told someone to shoot someone else, then he is in just as much trouble as the shooter.
fatness
Footballguy
That's not the only key. There has to be admissible evidence. So far the news stories are going on the words of someone with a vested interest in blaming a customer instead of an employee --- the club owner who doesn't want his club blamed for something. He didn't see the event, and says he talked to participants and watched a videotape.If the videotape and the reports of eyewitnesses are so convincing, the police will charge Jones. If it's a club owner just trying to point the blame away from his establishment and/or employees, perhaps the "evidence" so far is overstated, and won't result in any charges for Jones.Sometimes details like evidence and motivation get lost in the conversation when there's a desire to "convict" someone on the internet, you know?
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massraider
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Interesting side of the story:
http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/200...s/12741485.html
topless dancer promoter took a trash bag full of NFL player Adam "Pacman" Jones' cash and fled the Minxx strip club early Monday, leading to a brawl and shooting that injured three people, one critically, according to a search warrant obtained Wednesday by the Review-Journal.
The search warrant, issued Monday in District Court, was for Chris Mitchell's room at the Silverton casino and hotel. Mitchell, who has been interviewed by police, had promoted a four-day event at Minxx for the NBA All-Star weekend. He had brought in dancers from his Houston-based strip club, Harlem Knights, to perform at the 4636 Wynn Road venue, near Tropicana Avenue and Valley View Boulevard.
Las Vegas police recovered more than $81,000 in cash from Mitchell's room that investigators believe belonged to Jones, a 23-year-old cornerback for the Tennessee Titans. They also recovered a brown cloth bag and two Breitling watches, but it was not clear who owned those items.
The search warrant also shed light on some missing details about what happened inside the strip club before the 5 a.m. shooting occurred.
Cornelius Haynes Jr., better known as the rapper Nelly, and rapper Jermaine Dupri, were also at the club and sitting with Jones's entourage in the VIP section, the warrant stated.
Haynes had tossed hundreds of $1 bills on the stripper stage, an action known in street slang as "making it rain," and Jones joined in.
An announcer told all the dancers to go to the center stage, and about 40 strippers soon were on the stage.
Mitchell told the strippers from his Houston club to pick up the money, which apparently was only supposed to be used for visual effect, the warrant stated.
One of the dancers than took the trash bag filled with Jones' money and a "melee broke out. Jones became irate about the loss of his money, and the fact that girls were in a frenzy, picking up the money at their feet," the warrant stated.
Mitchell took the bag of cash and left the club.
Inside was chaos.
A woman with Jones, Sadia Morrison, was soon fighting with a stripper. Bouncers rushed in.
"Jones became extremely irate, telling security to back off and 'don't touch his girls,' " the warrant stated.
Jones soon engaged the bouncers who were trying to break up the scuffle, according to the warrant. "Jones challenged security and reached behind his back as if he were retrieving a weapon there," the warrant stated.
The bouncers were able to move Jones out of the club and turned their attention to Morrison, who was biting security and screaming. "Sadia (Morrison) picked up a champagne bottle and hit one security guard, Aaron Cudworth, in the head with it," according to the warrant.
Morrison was soon tossed out of the club.
A few minutes later, outside the club, a man with a cornrow hairdo fired a semi-automatic handgun, striking Cudworth, security guard Tom Urbanski and a female customer.
No arrests have been made.
A Metropolitan Police Department source has said an associate of Jones might have been the triggerman. "We think the link is strong, but we haven't been able to verify it," the source said Tuesday.
During an interview with detectives, Mitchell said he took Jones' money because he thought it was for the dancers, according to the warrant.
Cudworth, who was shot in the chest and arm, was released from University Medical Center on Tuesday.
Urbanski remained at UMC in critical condition. He was expected to live, but a bullet severed his spine and paralyzed him below the waist, his father said.
Minxx co-owner Rob Susnar said Tuesday that Jones had come into the club with the shooter and was sitting with him.
Susnar said when one of the strippers started grabbing the money without Jones' permission, he got angry, grabbed her hair and slammed her head against the stage.
Susnar also accused Jones of threatening Cudworth's life as he tried to break up the fight. A melee ensued as Cudworth scuffled with Jones and members of his entourage, Susnar said.
Jones' lawyer, Worrick G. Robinson, on Wednesday reiterated that Jones disputes that account.
"I've tried to explain my understanding of what occurred. I think it really speaks for itself, and I don't have anything else to add," Robinson said. "We will let Metro continue with their investigation, and we anticipate their findings will be consistent with our investigation."
In the meantime, Jones has left Las Vegas, Robinson said.
Robinson has been in communication with the investigating detectives and said Jones will be available to police if they need him.
Detectives interviewed Jones on Monday about his time at Minxx.
Robinson said Jones is not a suspect in the shooting.
http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/200...s/12741485.html
topless dancer promoter took a trash bag full of NFL player Adam "Pacman" Jones' cash and fled the Minxx strip club early Monday, leading to a brawl and shooting that injured three people, one critically, according to a search warrant obtained Wednesday by the Review-Journal.
The search warrant, issued Monday in District Court, was for Chris Mitchell's room at the Silverton casino and hotel. Mitchell, who has been interviewed by police, had promoted a four-day event at Minxx for the NBA All-Star weekend. He had brought in dancers from his Houston-based strip club, Harlem Knights, to perform at the 4636 Wynn Road venue, near Tropicana Avenue and Valley View Boulevard.
Las Vegas police recovered more than $81,000 in cash from Mitchell's room that investigators believe belonged to Jones, a 23-year-old cornerback for the Tennessee Titans. They also recovered a brown cloth bag and two Breitling watches, but it was not clear who owned those items.
The search warrant also shed light on some missing details about what happened inside the strip club before the 5 a.m. shooting occurred.
Cornelius Haynes Jr., better known as the rapper Nelly, and rapper Jermaine Dupri, were also at the club and sitting with Jones's entourage in the VIP section, the warrant stated.
Haynes had tossed hundreds of $1 bills on the stripper stage, an action known in street slang as "making it rain," and Jones joined in.
An announcer told all the dancers to go to the center stage, and about 40 strippers soon were on the stage.
Mitchell told the strippers from his Houston club to pick up the money, which apparently was only supposed to be used for visual effect, the warrant stated.
One of the dancers than took the trash bag filled with Jones' money and a "melee broke out. Jones became irate about the loss of his money, and the fact that girls were in a frenzy, picking up the money at their feet," the warrant stated.
Mitchell took the bag of cash and left the club.
Inside was chaos.
A woman with Jones, Sadia Morrison, was soon fighting with a stripper. Bouncers rushed in.
"Jones became extremely irate, telling security to back off and 'don't touch his girls,' " the warrant stated.
Jones soon engaged the bouncers who were trying to break up the scuffle, according to the warrant. "Jones challenged security and reached behind his back as if he were retrieving a weapon there," the warrant stated.
The bouncers were able to move Jones out of the club and turned their attention to Morrison, who was biting security and screaming. "Sadia (Morrison) picked up a champagne bottle and hit one security guard, Aaron Cudworth, in the head with it," according to the warrant.
Morrison was soon tossed out of the club.
A few minutes later, outside the club, a man with a cornrow hairdo fired a semi-automatic handgun, striking Cudworth, security guard Tom Urbanski and a female customer.
No arrests have been made.
A Metropolitan Police Department source has said an associate of Jones might have been the triggerman. "We think the link is strong, but we haven't been able to verify it," the source said Tuesday.
During an interview with detectives, Mitchell said he took Jones' money because he thought it was for the dancers, according to the warrant.
Cudworth, who was shot in the chest and arm, was released from University Medical Center on Tuesday.
Urbanski remained at UMC in critical condition. He was expected to live, but a bullet severed his spine and paralyzed him below the waist, his father said.
Minxx co-owner Rob Susnar said Tuesday that Jones had come into the club with the shooter and was sitting with him.
Susnar said when one of the strippers started grabbing the money without Jones' permission, he got angry, grabbed her hair and slammed her head against the stage.
Susnar also accused Jones of threatening Cudworth's life as he tried to break up the fight. A melee ensued as Cudworth scuffled with Jones and members of his entourage, Susnar said.
Jones' lawyer, Worrick G. Robinson, on Wednesday reiterated that Jones disputes that account.
"I've tried to explain my understanding of what occurred. I think it really speaks for itself, and I don't have anything else to add," Robinson said. "We will let Metro continue with their investigation, and we anticipate their findings will be consistent with our investigation."
In the meantime, Jones has left Las Vegas, Robinson said.
Robinson has been in communication with the investigating detectives and said Jones will be available to police if they need him.
Detectives interviewed Jones on Monday about his time at Minxx.
Robinson said Jones is not a suspect in the shooting.
From the VERY LIMITED info I have on it, the witness (club owner) is not saying Jones instructed his boys to do anything. He's saying Jones said he was going to kill him. He said Jones told the guy, "I'm going to -expletive- kill you."I'm no attorney but I think that would be a huge distinction. The connection between the shooter and Jones will obviously be important as well. Was it really one of his guys? Or just the guy that was sitting next to him? All that will play out here soon.I'm sure the video will be available any minute.JGroveDiesel said:
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SuperJohn96
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Dude thinks he's 2Pac or something.
mr. id
Footballguy
did he write the summary above?fact of the matter is when something like this happens.. people crawl out of the woodwork with their overblown second and third-hand accountings of what they heard happened. it's the telephone game.i'm sure there were fights and shootings... Vegas is a big town.. with lots of out-of-towners. kick in a couple hundred thousand visitors for the All-Star game and there are bound to be problems.to call people "scum" and pass along rumors as fact is taking it a bit far.GroveDiesel said:mr. id said:gb white paranoiaNot sure what you're referring to here. Jason Whitlock is black. Is his article still "white paranoia?"
mr. id
Footballguy
redman said:GB playing the race card at the first opportunity. What, "whites" have a monopoly on expectations of decent conduct and accountability? I'm sure you didn't mean that.mr. id said:gb white paranoia
it's the expected over-reaction of people at situations like this. NOT THE PACMAN JONES SITUATION. butthe rest of the weekend.was going to type this in response to another post but... there's a mall in Milwaukee called Mayfair. it's in a white neighborhood. predominantly a white clientele in a segregated town.
a few years back the mall opened a movie theater. big, brand new, playing all the latest releases in the newest technology. it drew crowds.. big crowds.. lots of black/hispanic kids that the area wasn't used to seeing.
went there to see a movie one nite.. a fight broke out in the mall. huge crowd of people. lots of kids. it was a couple young kids trying to look tough, throwing punches but mostly hitting nothing. security rushed in en masse and shut it down quick.
the next day i was reading accounts of witnesses who swear they saw a running gun battle in the food court, sporadic riots throughout the mall, huge gang fights breaking out in the crowd... all kinds of nonsense. just a load of ####. second and third hand accounts surely.
for the next couple weeks we heard stories on TV and in the paper almost every day about how dangerous the mall had become and how people weren't taking their kids there anymore because they could be murdered for no reason. just a total over-reaction. horribly embarrassing.
it's the telephone game. people hear something from someone who heard something and they relay it to someone else who blows it out of proportion. i think by the time i left Milwaukee it had become a genocidal attack that killed 30.
people tend to exaggerate their recounting of events. and in turn the people they tell fill in the blanks and exaggerate a little more.
it happens.
it's a little suspicious when there are "6 first-hand accounts" of "stuff getting stolen everywhere." i really find it hard to believe that 6 people who were listening to ESPN radio, happened to all see rampant theft everywhere, and decided to call in to talk about it on radio.
was there crime in Vegas over All-Star weekend? sure. was it more than usual? probably. there were 200 to 250k people there JUST FOR THE NBA game.
let's not get carried away and pretend that Vegas is some Mormon haven and there is no crime there.. that the NBA players and their "posse scum" brought it all with them.
