Clearly. Cotchery isn't good enough to be a #2 anymore.Also, the title of this post should be changed to something like "What happens if Mike Wallace is traded?"Question: If the Steelers part with Wallace, would Sanders elevate to the #2WR?
If he is going to the Pats, then where does Welker go after this year?Rumor is that a deal with the pats is in the works
linkRumor is that a deal with the pats is in the works
I dont understand this. Theres plenty of info sprinkled across this board and across a ton of fantasy and real football sites showing this isnt true. One can look at any number of stats such as how far the ball traveled in the air before it got to him and a bunch of others. One can also watch the games and see how he was used last year, how deep his routes were and where they were. I've never seen "conventional wisdom" stick so much to a player when it is demonstrably untrue. It's very odd.Am I only one who thinks thinks Wallace is over rated as an NFL WR?Runs a great 9 route, thats it.
Yeah, I'd love to see some info on this. Would the Steelers really trade with one of their main rivals in the conference and make NE a much better team?linkRumor is that a deal with the pats is in the works
I'm happy to have a link.I dont understand this. Theres plenty of info sprinkled across this board and across a ton of fantasy and real football sites showing this isnt true. One can look at any number of stats such as how far the ball traveled in the air before it got to him and a bunch of others. One can also watch the games and see how he was used last year, how deep his routes were and where they were. I've never seen "conventional wisdom" stick so much to a player when it is demonstrably untrue. It's very odd.Am I only one who thinks thinks Wallace is over rated as an NFL WR?Runs a great 9 route, thats it.
Dallas was the first team I thought of when this entire situation came up.Rumors were that Dallas and Buffalo had put in third round bids for Josh Gordon in the supplemental draft.Cecil Lammey @cecillammey
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It makes sense to speculate that Dalls would be interested. The one thing I thought would be an issue with Dallas would be how to fit him under the cap but in terms of what he brings and how he'd fit with the Boys, yeah. That part makes sense.... "What Mike Wallace brings to the table, which very few guys in the NFL do, is pure, pure speed," Greg Cosell of NFL Films and ESPN's NFL Matchup recently told us, when we asked him if Brown or Sanders could take Wallace's "X-iso" spot on a consistent basis. "He may be the fastest receiver in the entire league. You're concerned about that, because you miss that element. No defensive coordinator wants to give up 60-yard touchdowns -- that's just the way it works. Can Brown or Sanders be that guy? Probably not, in terms of lifting off the coverage like that."
Oy. No. Jerry needs to calm down. We don't need a Lee Evans type receiver on this team. Especially not at the price he would command in trade and salary.Cecil Lammey @cecillammey Hearing some buzz about #Cowboys possibly having strong interest in #steelers WR Mike Wallace....stay tuned Expand Reply Retweet FavoriteWat?????
I'd have to go out and search for one. I've read many articles this season breaking down the stats, avg ball in air numbers, and so on due to being a pats fan and all that speculation this spring. also saw most steelers games last year. I'll see if i can find one of the articles but just looking on pfr yields quite a few games like the pats game where he was 7/70 with a long of 16 or the bengals game where he was 6/54 long of 13 or 3/38/2 in the other bengals game with good looks in the endzone. they were trying to get him on short routes all year and he was targeted on many routes other than 9 and performed well. he does the 9 exceptionally well but has learned a lot and can perform well on other routes. I'll see if i can find the links when i get home tonight.I'm happy to have a link.I dont understand this. Theres plenty of info sprinkled across this board and across a ton of fantasy and real football sites showing this isnt true. One can look at any number of stats such as how far the ball traveled in the air before it got to him and a bunch of others. One can also watch the games and see how he was used last year, how deep his routes were and where they were. I've never seen "conventional wisdom" stick so much to a player when it is demonstrably untrue. It's very odd.Am I only one who thinks thinks Wallace is over rated as an NFL WR?Runs a great 9 route, thats it.
Thanks.He seems like the AFC's DeSean Jackson. I'm not saying he doesn't catch or run other routes. However, I do see him as a deep threat and not really doing much else well on a consistent basis.I'd have to go out and search for one. I've read many articles this season breaking down the stats, avg ball in air numbers, and so on due to being a pats fan and all that speculation this spring. also saw most steelers games last year. I'll see if i can find one of the articles but just looking on pfr yields quite a few games like the pats game where he was 7/70 with a long of 16 or the bengals game where he was 6/54 long of 13 or 3/38/2 in the other bengals game with good looks in the endzone. they were trying to get him on short routes all year and he was targeted on many routes other than 9 and performed well. he does the 9 exceptionally well but has learned a lot and can perform well on other routes. I'll see if i can find the links when i get home tonight.I'm happy to have a link.I dont understand this. Theres plenty of info sprinkled across this board and across a ton of fantasy and real football sites showing this isnt true. One can look at any number of stats such as how far the ball traveled in the air before it got to him and a bunch of others. One can also watch the games and see how he was used last year, how deep his routes were and where they were. I've never seen "conventional wisdom" stick so much to a player when it is demonstrably untrue. It's very odd.Am I only one who thinks thinks Wallace is over rated as an NFL WR?Runs a great 9 route, thats it.
Mike Wallace2009Thanks.I'd have to go out and search for one. I've read many articles this season breaking down the stats, avg ball in air numbers, and so on due to being a pats fan and all that speculation this spring. also saw most steelers games last year. I'll see if i can find one of the articles but just looking on pfr yields quite a few games like the pats game where he was 7/70 with a long of 16 or the bengals game where he was 6/54 long of 13 or 3/38/2 in the other bengals game with good looks in the endzone. they were trying to get him on short routes all year and he was targeted on many routes other than 9 and performed well. he does the 9 exceptionally well but has learned a lot and can perform well on other routes. I'll see if i can find the links when i get home tonight.I'm happy to have a link.I dont understand this. Theres plenty of info sprinkled across this board and across a ton of fantasy and real football sites showing this isnt true. One can look at any number of stats such as how far the ball traveled in the air before it got to him and a bunch of others. One can also watch the games and see how he was used last year, how deep his routes were and where they were. I've never seen "conventional wisdom" stick so much to a player when it is demonstrably untrue. It's very odd.Am I only one who thinks thinks Wallace is over rated as an NFL WR?
Runs a great 9 route, thats it.
He seems like the AFC's DeSean Jackson. I'm not saying he doesn't catch or run other routes. However, I do see him as a deep threat and not really doing much else well on a consistent basis.
Lee Evans had 24 TDs his first three years, as well. That worked out well.Wallace ain't worth the $ he's asking for, and he's certainly not worth the $ he's asking for AND the compensation the Steelers would ask for in a trade.Mike Wallace2009Thanks.I'd have to go out and search for one. I've read many articles this season breaking down the stats, avg ball in air numbers, and so on due to being a pats fan and all that speculation this spring. also saw most steelers games last year. I'll see if i can find one of the articles but just looking on pfr yields quite a few games like the pats game where he was 7/70 with a long of 16 or the bengals game where he was 6/54 long of 13 or 3/38/2 in the other bengals game with good looks in the endzone. they were trying to get him on short routes all year and he was targeted on many routes other than 9 and performed well. he does the 9 exceptionally well but has learned a lot and can perform well on other routes. I'll see if i can find the links when i get home tonight.I'm happy to have a link.I dont understand this. Theres plenty of info sprinkled across this board and across a ton of fantasy and real football sites showing this isnt true. One can look at any number of stats such as how far the ball traveled in the air before it got to him and a bunch of others. One can also watch the games and see how he was used last year, how deep his routes were and where they were. I've never seen "conventional wisdom" stick so much to a player when it is demonstrably untrue. It's very odd.Am I only one who thinks thinks Wallace is over rated as an NFL WR?
Runs a great 9 route, thats it.
He seems like the AFC's DeSean Jackson. I'm not saying he doesn't catch or run other routes. However, I do see him as a deep threat and not really doing much else well on a consistent basis.
39 receptions
756 yards
6 Tds
2010
60 receptions
1,257 yards
10 Tds
2011
72 receptions
1,193 yards
8 Tds
Combined totals
171 receptions
3,206 yards
24 Tds
He is more than a one-trick pony.
Don't listen to the Steeler fans who are bashing him.
Wallace is much better than you have been mis-lead to believe.
24 TDs in his first three seasons is a significant stat.
Speed to take the top off a defense opens everything up.
PFF has him in the top-five in the efficiency lists for different routes he runs so all of the BS about him not being able to run routes is plain wrong.
He is underpaid for his production so he is going to get his pay day.
Lee did so since Lee Evans had 24 TDs and then hasn't reproduced those numbers then Mike Wallace = Lee Evans and therefore isn't worth the money?Name the guys out there right now who are as young and with the speed and who have produced 24 TDs?Lee Evans had 24 TDs his first three years, as well. That worked out well.Wallace ain't worth the $ he's asking for, and he's certainly not worth the $ he's asking for AND the compensation the Steelers would ask for in a trade.Mike Wallace2009Thanks.I'd have to go out and search for one. I've read many articles this season breaking down the stats, avg ball in air numbers, and so on due to being a pats fan and all that speculation this spring. also saw most steelers games last year. I'll see if i can find one of the articles but just looking on pfr yields quite a few games like the pats game where he was 7/70 with a long of 16 or the bengals game where he was 6/54 long of 13 or 3/38/2 in the other bengals game with good looks in the endzone. they were trying to get him on short routes all year and he was targeted on many routes other than 9 and performed well. he does the 9 exceptionally well but has learned a lot and can perform well on other routes. I'll see if i can find the links when i get home tonight.I'm happy to have a link.I dont understand this. Theres plenty of info sprinkled across this board and across a ton of fantasy and real football sites showing this isnt true. One can look at any number of stats such as how far the ball traveled in the air before it got to him and a bunch of others. One can also watch the games and see how he was used last year, how deep his routes were and where they were. I've never seen "conventional wisdom" stick so much to a player when it is demonstrably untrue. It's very odd.Am I only one who thinks thinks Wallace is over rated as an NFL WR?
Runs a great 9 route, thats it.
He seems like the AFC's DeSean Jackson. I'm not saying he doesn't catch or run other routes. However, I do see him as a deep threat and not really doing much else well on a consistent basis.
39 receptions
756 yards
6 Tds
2010
60 receptions
1,257 yards
10 Tds
2011
72 receptions
1,193 yards
8 Tds
Combined totals
171 receptions
3,206 yards
24 Tds
He is more than a one-trick pony.
Don't listen to the Steeler fans who are bashing him.
Wallace is much better than you have been mis-lead to believe.
24 TDs in his first three seasons is a significant stat.
Speed to take the top off a defense opens everything up.
PFF has him in the top-five in the efficiency lists for different routes he runs so all of the BS about him not being able to run routes is plain wrong.
He is underpaid for his production so he is going to get his pay day.
Seems like this might be too complicated to explain.Lee did so since Lee Evans had 24 TDs and then hasn't reproduced those numbers then Mike Wallace = Lee Evans and therefore isn't worth the money?Name the guys out there right now who are as young and with the speed and who have produced 24 TDs?Lee Evans had 24 TDs his first three years, as well. That worked out well.Wallace ain't worth the $ he's asking for, and he's certainly not worth the $ he's asking for AND the compensation the Steelers would ask for in a trade.Mike Wallace2009Thanks.I'd have to go out and search for one. I've read many articles this season breaking down the stats, avg ball in air numbers, and so on due to being a pats fan and all that speculation this spring. also saw most steelers games last year. I'll see if i can find one of the articles but just looking on pfr yields quite a few games like the pats game where he was 7/70 with a long of 16 or the bengals game where he was 6/54 long of 13 or 3/38/2 in the other bengals game with good looks in the endzone. they were trying to get him on short routes all year and he was targeted on many routes other than 9 and performed well. he does the 9 exceptionally well but has learned a lot and can perform well on other routes. I'll see if i can find the links when i get home tonight.I'm happy to have a link.I dont understand this. Theres plenty of info sprinkled across this board and across a ton of fantasy and real football sites showing this isnt true. One can look at any number of stats such as how far the ball traveled in the air before it got to him and a bunch of others. One can also watch the games and see how he was used last year, how deep his routes were and where they were. I've never seen "conventional wisdom" stick so much to a player when it is demonstrably untrue. It's very odd.Am I only one who thinks thinks Wallace is over rated as an NFL WR?
Runs a great 9 route, thats it.
He seems like the AFC's DeSean Jackson. I'm not saying he doesn't catch or run other routes. However, I do see him as a deep threat and not really doing much else well on a consistent basis.
39 receptions
756 yards
6 Tds
2010
60 receptions
1,257 yards
10 Tds
2011
72 receptions
1,193 yards
8 Tds
Combined totals
171 receptions
3,206 yards
24 Tds
He is more than a one-trick pony.
Don't listen to the Steeler fans who are bashing him.
Wallace is much better than you have been mis-lead to believe.
24 TDs in his first three seasons is a significant stat.
Speed to take the top off a defense opens everything up.
PFF has him in the top-five in the efficiency lists for different routes he runs so all of the BS about him not being able to run routes is plain wrong.
He is underpaid for his production so he is going to get his pay day.
Oh no wait, the guy actually wants to get paid.
Deal killer, right?
No one should get paid expect for Larry Fitzgerald and Calvin Johsnson beause everone else is delusional and Lee Evans.
Right.
Well what about the picks? The Steelers would expect at least the third round pick that they got for Santonio Holmes. Horrors!
Much better to wait a year and then draft a kid next year in the third round and not pay him and hope he'd develop in a coulple of years instead of making a move for a kid who has the, talent, production, and rare speed?
PFF and Greg Cosell and and others know Wallace is very good and brings more than Brown.Oh, and Antonio Brown is better. And he doesn't have 24 TDs over the past three years. Don't worry Brucie...earth isn't spinning off it's axis. Just can't judge a player by profootballreference.com, alone.
Brings more speed, for sure. He's super duper fast.PFF and Greg Cosell and and others know Wallace is very good and brings more than Brown.Oh, and Antonio Brown is better. And he doesn't have 24 TDs over the past three years. Don't worry Brucie...earth isn't spinning off it's axis. Just can't judge a player by profootballreference.com, alone.
This is a message board. Might as well speculate...What players do you think Dallas might be willing to part with to make this trade? Pittsburgh could use more help at corner (though the young guys are progressing nicely.) Anyone on the D to help with Pittsburgh's youth movement there?Cecil Lammey @cecillammey Hearing some buzz about #Cowboys possibly having strong interest in #steelers WR Mike Wallace....stay tuned Expand Reply Retweet FavoriteWat?????
Spencer.Jenkins.This is a message board. Might as well speculate...What players do you think Dallas might be willing to part with to make this trade? Pittsburgh could use more help at corner (though the young guys are progressing nicely.) Anyone on the D to help with Pittsburgh's youth movement there?Cecil Lammey @cecillammey Hearing some buzz about #Cowboys possibly having strong interest in #steelers WR Mike Wallace....stay tuned Expand Reply Retweet FavoriteWat?????
Makes me wonder about milesDallas' interest in MW makes me doubt the future of Mr. Dez Bryant. interestingPossible answer to my own question regarding compensation to pgh from dallas...CB Mike Jenkins. Similar contract situation. Dallas just went out of their way to beef up the position this off season. Would the teams make the deal without signing the other player to a long term contract?
Sean Lee, pleaseThis is a message board. Might as well speculate...What players do you think Dallas might be willing to part with to make this trade? Pittsburgh could use more help at corner (though the young guys are progressing nicely.) Anyone on the D to help with Pittsburgh's youth movement there?Cecil Lammey @cecillammey Hearing some buzz about #Cowboys possibly having strong interest in #steelers WR Mike Wallace....stay tuned Expand Reply Retweet FavoriteWat?????
Laurent Robinson leaving could be the catalyst for Dallas' interest in Wallace. Contact demands of MW have been mixed, but sounds closer to 11+ m per season.I read on rotoworld that the Steeler's would get a third round pick if Wallace walks in 2013 so they would want a second round pick or better for the trade. Why would a team be willing to give that up for a year with what seem to be unreasonable contract demands that Wallace is spouting off now. There seems to be some debate as to how good he is but I don't think anyone thinks he is Larry Fitzgerald which is what kind of money he wants. As a Romo owner I would love to see him go to Dallas, but just don't think it will happen. As a question is any so confident that he will be traded that they are trying to deal for Sanders.
GL with that!For the Rams wouldn't offer more than a 2nd and wouldn't pay him more than 5 yrs 35 mill. No way I part with one of their 1sts
Saw that too. Good job by Pgh to put out that fire before it got out of control. Even if they consider trades, they don't want to add fuel right now. Focus on the players in camp with or without MW.Adam Schefter @AdamSchefterSteelers GM Kevin Colbert told @Edwerderespn that "Mike Wallace is not available for trade."
So if Bouchette is right about this, and say they would trade him for a 4th or even 5th rounder (yes, I realize this goes against what Colbert said a couple posts up), do we still get the 3rd round compensatory pick for Wallace or not?? If not, it makes absolutely no sense to let him go at that price.The Steelers are expected to listen to trade offers for Wallace, and Ed Bouchette of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette has “guessed” that he might only cost a fourth-round pick. If the monetary price has come down, too, then perhaps a team looking for a playmaker will be willing to pay those costs, and the receiver nicknamed “60 Minutes” will be playing ball in a different locale in 2012.
No you don't.He would fetch a 3rd if he just hits FA normally.My link
So if Bouchette is right about this, and say they would trade him for a 4th or even 5th rounder (yes, I realize this goes against what Colbert said a couple posts up), do we still get the 3rd round compensatory pick for Wallace or not?? If not, it makes absolutely no sense to let him go at that price.The Steelers are expected to listen to trade offers for Wallace, and Ed Bouchette of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette has “guessed” that he might only cost a fourth-round pick. If the monetary price has come down, too, then perhaps a team looking for a playmaker will be willing to pay those costs, and the receiver nicknamed “60 Minutes” will be playing ball in a different locale in 2012.
So basically no way in hell he isnt a Steeler until at least next offseason unless we get a 2nd rounder (or higher) for him then.While frustrating, the Steelers have everything in their hands except for Wallace's longterm deal at this point. Dude has nothing to stand on.No you don't.He would fetch a 3rd if he just hits FA normally.My link
So if Bouchette is right about this, and say they would trade him for a 4th or even 5th rounder (yes, I realize this goes against what Colbert said a couple posts up), do we still get the 3rd round compensatory pick for Wallace or not?? If not, it makes absolutely no sense to let him go at that price.The Steelers are expected to listen to trade offers for Wallace, and Ed Bouchette of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette has “guessed” that he might only cost a fourth-round pick. If the monetary price has come down, too, then perhaps a team looking for a playmaker will be willing to pay those costs, and the receiver nicknamed “60 Minutes” will be playing ball in a different locale in 2012.
makes no sense IMONo you don't.He would fetch a 3rd if he just hits FA normally.My link
So if Bouchette is right about this, and say they would trade him for a 4th or even 5th rounder (yes, I realize this goes against what Colbert said a couple posts up), do we still get the 3rd round compensatory pick for Wallace or not?? If not, it makes absolutely no sense to let him go at that price.The Steelers are expected to listen to trade offers for Wallace, and Ed Bouchette of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette has “guessed” that he might only cost a fourth-round pick. If the monetary price has come down, too, then perhaps a team looking for a playmaker will be willing to pay those costs, and the receiver nicknamed “60 Minutes” will be playing ball in a different locale in 2012.
What does, restricted free agency??makes no sense IMONo you don't.He would fetch a 3rd if he just hits FA normally.My link
So if Bouchette is right about this, and say they would trade him for a 4th or even 5th rounder (yes, I realize this goes against what Colbert said a couple posts up), do we still get the 3rd round compensatory pick for Wallace or not?? If not, it makes absolutely no sense to let him go at that price.The Steelers are expected to listen to trade offers for Wallace, and Ed Bouchette of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette has “guessed” that he might only cost a fourth-round pick. If the monetary price has come down, too, then perhaps a team looking for a playmaker will be willing to pay those costs, and the receiver nicknamed “60 Minutes” will be playing ball in a different locale in 2012.
what??lol of course they don't.My link
So if Bouchette is right about this, and say they would trade him for a 4th or even 5th rounder (yes, I realize this goes against what Colbert said a couple posts up), do we still get the 3rd round compensatory pick for Wallace or not?? If not, it makes absolutely no sense to let him go at that price.The Steelers are expected to listen to trade offers for Wallace, and Ed Bouchette of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette has “guessed” that he might only cost a fourth-round pick. If the monetary price has come down, too, then perhaps a team looking for a playmaker will be willing to pay those costs, and the receiver nicknamed “60 Minutes” will be playing ball in a different locale in 2012.