If you don't merge everyone else will. So merging ASAP ends up being the dominant strategy. Pretty sure this was covered in 'A Beautiful Mind'.I'm not following you. If everyone is looking out for their best interests, one wouldn't get in a long line knowing that others can just pass them in the other line and move over later. Everyone would just get into whichever line was shortest at the time and then merge at the end (the actual merge point), hence the zipper merge.I'm simply referring to driver psychology. The zipper merge is not an effective strategy because game theory. Pretty simple.If you're talking about where one lane ends, you're completely wrong. Both lanes go to a certain point for a reason. I believe there is an entire thread on this.In a perfectly efficient driving environment, everyone is going to merge as soon as they know that they need to. Therefore, this is not a viable strategy as everyone is going to look out for their own best interests knowing that everyone else is going to be merging ASAP as well. Simple game theory, really.I like the way your jib is cut.I too am a late lane switcher. Why is everyone in such a dang hurry to merge? The lane is there to use, not just to waste space. Some people seem to think it is like cutting in line, but I disagree. The further back the mergers start their ridiculous pre-merging, the further back traffic gets backed up. Chill out and merge when you are forced to by the powers that be. No need to do it sooner.Don't let me in then. I'll find a spot.No, you are just being a ####. Get in line like everyone else. Nothing is more satisfying than swerving over to prevent this.:hi: I love the gamble.People who will by-pass a long line of cars in traffic and then try to merge into an exit or turn lane at the closest possible point.
If you're not following the zipper merge, you are putting yourself at the mercy of others both ahead and behind you, and the only good outcome is if everyone merges right away as well and no one behind you ends up in front of you.
If you do follow the zipper merge and simply choose whichever line is shortest at the time you arrive, it doesn't matter so much what others do. If everyone ahead of you does the zipper, you're in the same boat as the ideal situation in the merge early scenario (no one behind you ends up ahead of you, slowing you down). If people ahead choose to merge early instead, it actually helps you by allowing you in front of them. If others merge early behind you, it has no effect on you.
Note, I'm not well versed in game theory - I guess when it comes to that kind of traffic, my game is Tetris.
http://lifehacker.com/the-right-way-to-merge-lanes-to-avoid-traffic-jams-and-1501148503If you don't merge everyone else will. So merging ASAP ends up being the dominant strategy. Pretty sure this was covered in 'A Beautiful Mind'.I'm not following you. If everyone is looking out for their best interests, one wouldn't get in a long line knowing that others can just pass them in the other line and move over later. Everyone would just get into whichever line was shortest at the time and then merge at the end (the actual merge point), hence the zipper merge.I'm simply referring to driver psychology. The zipper merge is not an effective strategy because game theory. Pretty simple.If you're talking about where one lane ends, you're completely wrong. Both lanes go to a certain point for a reason. I believe there is an entire thread on this.In a perfectly efficient driving environment, everyone is going to merge as soon as they know that they need to. Therefore, this is not a viable strategy as everyone is going to look out for their own best interests knowing that everyone else is going to be merging ASAP as well. Simple game theory, really.I like the way your jib is cut.I too am a late lane switcher. Why is everyone in such a dang hurry to merge? The lane is there to use, not just to waste space. Some people seem to think it is like cutting in line, but I disagree. The further back the mergers start their ridiculous pre-merging, the further back traffic gets backed up. Chill out and merge when you are forced to by the powers that be. No need to do it sooner.Don't let me in then. I'll find a spot.No, you are just being a ####. Get in line like everyone else. Nothing is more satisfying than swerving over to prevent this.:hi: I love the gamble.People who will by-pass a long line of cars in traffic and then try to merge into an exit or turn lane at the closest possible point.
If you're not following the zipper merge, you are putting yourself at the mercy of others both ahead and behind you, and the only good outcome is if everyone merges right away as well and no one behind you ends up in front of you.
If you do follow the zipper merge and simply choose whichever line is shortest at the time you arrive, it doesn't matter so much what others do. If everyone ahead of you does the zipper, you're in the same boat as the ideal situation in the merge early scenario (no one behind you ends up ahead of you, slowing you down). If people ahead choose to merge early instead, it actually helps you by allowing you in front of them. If others merge early behind you, it has no effect on you.
Note, I'm not well versed in game theory - I guess when it comes to that kind of traffic, my game is Tetris.
How is getting in line way too early looking out for their best interest? Waiting until the end would be looking out for your best interest.Guys, I understand that zipper merge is the most efficient way to merge. I'm saying it's not a viable strategy because no one is going to follow it. You're going to have one jackass that goes off book and screws everything up, causing a domino effect where everyone else abandons the zipper merge and looks out for their own interests and merges ASAP.
that scenario messes up the zipper merge as well, because everyone will wait until the last second to merge, causing a huge backup at the end when everyone finally gets over. either way, people are looking out for their best interests with what they perceive is the best strategy and not trying to coordinate some grand synchronized merging performance with the rest of traffic. I forget how we even got here at this point.E-Z Glider said:How is getting in line way too early looking out for their best interest? Waiting until the end would be looking out for your best interest.Peyton Marino said:Guys, I understand that zipper merge is the most efficient way to merge. I'm saying it's not a viable strategy because no one is going to follow it. You're going to have one jackass that goes off book and screws everything up, causing a domino effect where everyone else abandons the zipper merge and looks out for their own interests and merges ASAP.
All it takes is halfway decent signage telling people to stay in all lanes until the merge point.Peyton Marino said:Guys, I understand that zipper merge is the most efficient way to merge. I'm saying it's not a viable strategy because no one is going to follow it.
If most people are waiting until the end to merge, one person merging early only really slows down the lane he is entering. I'm not sure why there would be a mass exodus into that lane then.You're going to have one jackass that goes off book and screws everything up, causing a domino effect where everyone else abandons the zipper merge and looks out for their own interests and merges ASAP.
Smart beyond his years.Peyton Marino said:Guys, I understand that zipper merge is the most efficient way to merge. I'm saying it's not a viable strategy because no one is going to follow it. You're going to have one jackass that goes off book and screws everything up, causing a domino effect where everyone else abandons the zipper merge and looks out for their own interests and merges ASAP.
sounds like we need to have someone run the analytics on this.All it takes is halfway decent signage telling people to stay in all lanes until the merge point.Peyton Marino said:Guys, I understand that zipper merge is the most efficient way to merge. I'm saying it's not a viable strategy because no one is going to follow it.
If most people are waiting until the end to merge, one person merging early only really slows down the lane he is entering. I'm not sure why there would be a mass exodus into that lane then.You're going to have one jackass that goes off book and screws everything up, causing a domino effect where everyone else abandons the zipper merge and looks out for their own interests and merges ASAP.
Really, the only jackass to ruin things would be the guy occupying both lanes, but if the lanes are pretty even because most are waiting to merge, that doesn't usually happen.
NahPeyton Marino said:Guys, I understand that zipper merge is the most efficient way to merge. I'm saying it's not a viable strategy because no one is going to follow it. You're going to have one jackass that goes off book and screws everything up, causing a domino effect where everyone else abandons the zipper merge and looks out for their own interests and merges ASAP.
and the panhandling they do now. "Would you like to donate a dollar to blah, blah, blah".Clerks at large corporate stores who want to know your email, snail mail address, phone number, birth date, blood type, name of first born child.....I just want to buy a f@#king snickers.
I'll take Illinois. I'm loading up some IDOT data right now into my personal Google Analytic account. Be on the lookout for some charts tomorrow morning.sounds like we need to have someone run the analytics on this.All it takes is halfway decent signage telling people to stay in all lanes until the merge point.Peyton Marino said:Guys, I understand that zipper merge is the most efficient way to merge. I'm saying it's not a viable strategy because no one is going to follow it.
If most people are waiting until the end to merge, one person merging early only really slows down the lane he is entering. I'm not sure why there would be a mass exodus into that lane then.You're going to have one jackass that goes off book and screws everything up, causing a domino effect where everyone else abandons the zipper merge and looks out for their own interests and merges ASAP.
Really, the only jackass to ruin things would be the guy occupying both lanes, but if the lanes are pretty even because most are waiting to merge, that doesn't usually happen.
Sometimes they just need a little help: http://scni.media.clients.ellingtoncms.com/imported/Gwinnett/2013/06/15/Falcons_Food_2_t180.jpg?370a03faaa4bde2115f371a02430eb3e6a451be5The kind of people that are so large a body part or two bump and beep the horn when getting out of their car...
The clerk doesn't give a #### about that info. They're just doing their job.Clerks at large corporate stores who want to know your email, snail mail address, phone number, birth date, blood type, name of first born child.....I just want to buy a f@#king snickers.