What Is Dez Bryant's Relative Dynasty Value (1 Viewer)

[Bob Magaw]

especially compared to last year's class...

* in case it serves as a valuational calibration guideline, maybe hakeem nicks would be a useful "benchmark"...

i think he has future top 10 upside (this may not be a consensus?)...

is there a consensus in the scouting community that bryant is a clearly superior talent and higher graded prospect than nicks (was at this stage of the process last year, comparitively)?

or substitute '09 comp WR, like crabtree or britt (i like nicks better, but think they could all be very good)...

 

[EBF]

He's right up there with Crabtree in the notch below Calvin Johnson. He's a better physical specimen than Crab, but maybe not quite the natural football player. If I were an NFL GM I would give him a top 10 grade.

 

[EBF]

Regarding last year vs. this year I would say:

Michael Crabtree

Dez Bryant

Demaryius Thomas

Percy Harvin

Hakeem Nicks

Jeremy Maclin

Kenny Britt

 

[Bob Magaw]

Regarding last year vs. this year I would say:Michael CrabtreeDez BryantDemaryius ThomasPercy HarvinHakeem NicksJeremy MaclinKenny Britt

thanx, EBF...that was exactly what i had in mind and was hoping for... i had a sense that it was pretty high up... i may be a little lower in my estimation of crabtree (and higher in that of nicks)...

 

[gianmarco]

All I'm gonna say is if this is going to be anything like the Miles Austin thread.........

:subscribe:

 

[Bob Magaw]

All I'm gonna say is if this is going to be anything like the Miles Austin thread.........:subscribe:

i don't know bryant as well (as austin), yet... so likely to play more of a thread facilitator role here (at least initially)...

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

I'd put Bryant #1 just considering the last couple draft classes. Beyond that he's in a class with Fitz, AJ, Calvin etc. Think he's the realest of real deals.

 

[Bob Magaw]

some highlights...

what is his ceiling - top 3-5 once he matures & developes (and what is his floor)?

braylon edwards if his upper limbs didn't terminate in non-prehensile joints...

a slower andre johnson?

 

[beto]

I think he's benefiting from not playing. The combine will be the first data we've seen on him since September. If he runs a fast time, I'd be willing to put him above anybody in last year's class. If he runs around 4.5 I'll be scaling back expectations.

 

[EBF]

He's a better athlete than Braylon. Shorter and thicker.

I would say somewhere between Anquan Boldin and Andre Johnson. He doesn't have Johnson's elite speed.

 

[Warpig]

Is he worth the #1 overall dynasty pick in a 16 team league? I'm considering that. My team is aching for a WR and I'm debating taking him. All this talk of him being CJ2 is making me drool.

 

[EBF]

Is he worth the #1 overall dynasty pick in a 16 team league? I'm considering that. My team is aching for a WR and I'm debating taking him. All this talk of him being CJ2 is making me drool.

If it's PPR, yes.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

Is he worth the #1 overall dynasty pick in a 16 team league? I'm considering that. My team is aching for a WR and I'm debating taking him. All this talk of him being CJ2 is making me drool.

If it's PPR, yes.

I totally agree. WR's that have his potential are few and far between. I think he is the easiest and safest pick in a dynasty league this year.

 

[FUBAR]

Is he worth the #1 overall dynasty pick in a 16 team league? I'm considering that. My team is aching for a WR and I'm debating taking him. All this talk of him being CJ2 is making me drool.

If it's PPR, yes.

I totally agree. WR's that have his potential are few and far between. I think he is the easiest and safest pick in a dynasty league this year.

I'm almost 100% sold, and have been for awhile, that he's my 1.01, but I'm wondering if he'll have any ill effects from the lay off. I hesitate to say the words, but we thought Mike Williams was a stud at one point.

 

[EBF]

Is he worth the #1 overall dynasty pick in a 16 team league? I'm considering that. My team is aching for a WR and I'm debating taking him. All this talk of him being CJ2 is making me drool.

If it's PPR, yes.

I totally agree. WR's that have his potential are few and far between. I think he is the easiest and safest pick in a dynasty league this year.

I'm almost 100% sold, and have been for awhile, that he's my 1.01, but I'm wondering if he'll have any ill effects from the lay off. I hesitate to say the words, but we thought Mike Williams was a stud at one point.

Williams was big and slow enough to the point where some teams were evaluating him as a TE prospect. I don't see that being a problem for Bryant. We should find out this weekend what kind of shape he's in.

 

[Jeff Tefertiller]

the TD catch Bryant made against Georgia this season is one Mike Williams can only dream about or while playing Madden

 

[Warpig]

guess it will depend on who drafts him.

 

[Bob Magaw]

guess it will depend on who drafts him.

lot of mocks have him DEN-bound, which of course in the perverse pre-draft logic, means it probably won't happen...

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Definitely part of the Bryant train/hype. A better prospect than Crabtree.

 

[Bob Magaw]

He's a better athlete than Braylon. Shorter and thicker. I would say somewhere between Anquan Boldin and Andre Johnson. He doesn't have Johnson's elite speed.

that could be saying a lot, because braylon was at least a pretty good track athlete... i think in his bio it stated he competed at michigan in the 60 m., 200 m & high jump? not quite a decathlete, but impressive versatility...yeah, few people are as fast as dre... despite being a rock solid, TO-like 220 or so, he won the big east indoor 60 m. and outdoor 100 m championships, i think...

 

[Bob Magaw]

Is he worth the #1 overall dynasty pick in a 16 team league? I'm considering that. My team is aching for a WR and I'm debating taking him. All this talk of him being CJ2 is making me drool.

as was alluded to above, where the RBs land could change things... but if you believe talent trumps situational/contextual considerations, & the cream eventually rises to the top, there doesn't seem to be a clear consensus best RB like bryant is at WR...* BTW, based purely on limited highlights i've seen, i don't think he has the prodigious physical gifts of calvin... but he could be not as good as dre & calvin (lacking their top end speed - didn't calvin run a sub-4.4 at the combine? that was randy moss in his prime-like for somebody 6'4", and making it even more impressive, he was bigger, too - close to 240 lbs?), and still wind up as a top 3-5 WR some day...

 

[Winning IS Everything]

I am only asking this question since I do not watch college football much, but..................

What is it about Dez Bryant that makes him a better prospect than RaShaun Woods was coming out of OSU? Both had similar size and stats...... Is it speed (I remember Woods being a mid 4.5 guy I think)? Is it pure physical ability?

I see the highlights of Bryant and think "Wow, he looks like the next Larry Fitzgerald", but it is tough for me to forget what happened with Woods when he went pro.

 

[JohnnyU]

I am only asking this question since I do not watch college football much, but..................What is it about Dez Bryant that makes him a better prospect than RaShaun Woods was coming out of OSU? Both had similar size and stats...... Is it speed (I remember Woods being a mid 4.5 guy I think)? Is it pure physical ability?I see the highlights of Bryant and think "Wow, he looks like the next Larry Fitzgerald", but it is tough for me to forget what happened with Woods when he went pro.

Woods wasn't nearly as athletic as Bryant. Bryant is a lot better than Woods at the line of scrimmage , he's stronger than woods, has incredibly large hands, and he cuts better. Bryant has a humble attitude, whereas Woods had a 10 cent head. Bryant has a good football IQ, even if he did struggle academically. I believe most feel Bryant is a better version of Anqun Boldin. Woods was more of a system WR imo.

 

[Winning IS Everything]

I am only asking this question since I do not watch college football much, but..................What is it about Dez Bryant that makes him a better prospect than RaShaun Woods was coming out of OSU? Both had similar size and stats...... Is it speed (I remember Woods being a mid 4.5 guy I think)? Is it pure physical ability?I see the highlights of Bryant and think "Wow, he looks like the next Larry Fitzgerald", but it is tough for me to forget what happened with Woods when he went pro.

Woods wasn't nearly as athletic as Bryant. Bryant is a lot better than Woods at the line of scrimmage , he's stronger than woods, has incredibly large hands, and he cuts better. Bryant has a humble attitude, whereas Woods had a 10 cent head. Bryant has a good football IQ, even if he did struggle academically. I believe most feel Bryant is a better version of Anqun Boldin. Woods was more of a system WR imo.

Thanks Johnny U, that is the info I was looking for. I forgot that Woods was indeed a 10 cent head guy. It is good to hear that Bryant is well grounded. Thanks again!

 

[zed2283]

I am only asking this question since I do not watch college football much, but..................What is it about Dez Bryant that makes him a better prospect than RaShaun Woods was coming out of OSU? Both had similar size and stats...... Is it speed (I remember Woods being a mid 4.5 guy I think)? Is it pure physical ability?I see the highlights of Bryant and think "Wow, he looks like the next Larry Fitzgerald", but it is tough for me to forget what happened with Woods when he went pro.

Ugh... don't say that. I took Woods with the 1.11 and could POSSIBLY get Bryant with the 1.6 this year (my league eats RB's). I hope they are nothing alike!

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

What is it about Dez Bryant that makes him a better prospect than RaShaun Woods was coming out of OSU?

Bryant doesn't have that lucrative pro bass fishing career to fall back on.

 

[JohnnyU]

I am only asking this question since I do not watch college football much, but..................What is it about Dez Bryant that makes him a better prospect than RaShaun Woods was coming out of OSU? Both had similar size and stats...... Is it speed (I remember Woods being a mid 4.5 guy I think)? Is it pure physical ability?I see the highlights of Bryant and think "Wow, he looks like the next Larry Fitzgerald", but it is tough for me to forget what happened with Woods when he went pro.

Woods wasn't nearly as athletic as Bryant. Bryant is a lot better than Woods at the line of scrimmage , he's stronger than woods, has incredibly large hands, and he cuts better. Bryant has a humble attitude, whereas Woods had a 10 cent head. Bryant has a good football IQ, even if he did struggle academically. I believe most feel Bryant is a better version of Anqun Boldin. Woods was more of a system WR imo.

Thanks Johnny U, that is the info I was looking for. I forgot that Woods was indeed a 10 cent head guy. It is good to hear that Bryant is well grounded. Thanks again!

Woods was soft and couldn't deal with the physicality of the NFL. He failed to grasp the urgency and commitment of what it takes to make it in the NFL.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

What is it about Dez Bryant that makes him a better prospect than RaShaun Woods was coming out of OSU? Both had similar size and stats...... Is it speed (I remember Woods being a mid 4.5 guy I think)? Is it pure physical ability?

Size. Bryant is beastly thick. Woods was 74 1/8, 202; Bryant is currently listed at 73 5/8, 220. So Woods is pretty close to dead on average in terms of NFL WR size, while Bryant is near the top of the scale. Makes a big (so to speak) difference.

 

[Winning IS Everything]

What is it about Dez Bryant that makes him a better prospect than RaShaun Woods was coming out of OSU? Both had similar size and stats...... Is it speed (I remember Woods being a mid 4.5 guy I think)? Is it pure physical ability?

Size. Bryant is beastly thick. Woods was 74 1/8, 202; Bryant is currently listed at 73 5/8, 220. So Woods is pretty close to dead on average in terms of NFL WR size, while Bryant is near the top of the scale. Makes a big (so to speak) difference.

Thanks for the input wdcrob. I am about sold on Dez. I saw superhuman abilities in Fitz coming out of Pitt and went out of may way to get him. I am seeing the same things in the highlights of Bryant and may have to go out of my way to get him too.........

 

[Bob Magaw]

What is it about Dez Bryant that makes him a better prospect than RaShaun Woods was coming out of OSU? Both had similar size and stats...... Is it speed (I remember Woods being a mid 4.5 guy I think)? Is it pure physical ability?

Size. Bryant is beastly thick. Woods was 74 1/8, 202; Bryant is currently listed at 73 5/8, 220. So Woods is pretty close to dead on average in terms of NFL WR size, while Bryant is near the top of the scale. Makes a big (so to speak) difference.

Thanks for the input wdcrob. I am about sold on Dez. I saw superhuman abilities in Fitz coming out of Pitt and went out of may way to get him. I am seeing the same things in the highlights of Bryant and may have to go out of my way to get him too.........

i also thought fitz would be special based on his meteoric two years at pitt...a few things that really stood out...1 - his ability to track the ball, and make in-flight adjustments2 - at times he is like a contortionist and acrobatic circus freak (preternatural agility & body control), the way he can bend his body to attack errant throws3 - HANDS (among the best i've ever seen - biletkinoff, cris carter, randy moss, etc)4 - intangibles (coupling a great work ethic with such a supremely gifted athlete & once a decade natural talent was a potent combo) * i haven't seen bryant enough to tell if he projects to be fitzgerald special (thus the thread, so i can pick the brain of the 1,000-eyed monster FFA )... playing the percentages, it would be safe & easy to say that would be long odds... but as with dre & calvin johnson, if dez ends up being almost as good (as fitz), you are talking about potentially one of the best WRs in the league...he definitely looks more explosive to me than crabtree, and maybe nearly the same size as britt (biggest of the frontline '09 WR prospects), so that may indeed make him the best size/power/speed/athleticism/pedigree combo prospect at the position since (the likes of fitz, calvin & dre - brandon marshall & sidney rice have really blossomed, too)?

 

[Mark Davis]

It's funny, I was thinking of starting a thread similar to this one at lunch today. I hadn't seen this one yet. It seems to me I've heard most people prefer Dez Bryant to Michael Crabtree when it's been discussed. Also, whereas Crabtree was often taken at 1.04 or 1.05 last year, Bryant seems to be 1.01 or 1.02 depending on if you prefer Spiller. However, Crabtree was seen as a steal for the 49ers at the 10th pick overall in the NFL Draft. Most rankings have Bryant in that same general area or even a couple of picks later.

Is the talent at the top of this year's draft that much better (and when I say talent, not speaking in fantasy terms, but in NFL terms) that Bryant may be a better prospect but could possibly be drafted lower in the NFL Draft? Or is it just that the mocks are based on teams' particular needs?

For the record, I hold 1.01 in my draft and am heavily leaning Bryant. The only chance I see of that changing is if one of the RB's really looks great at the combine and ends up in a great situation.

 

[BearsFan]

Is he worth the #1 overall dynasty pick in a 16 team league? I'm considering that. My team is aching for a WR and I'm debating taking him. All this talk of him being CJ2 is making me drool.

If it's PPR, yes.

How about non-PPR?

 

[thevidon]

Also, whereas Crabtree was often taken at 1.04 or 1.05 last year, Bryant seems to be 1.01 or 1.02 depending

The top of the RB class last year was superior to the top of the RB class this year - overall position within the round is relative to the other talent available.

 

[EBF]

Is he worth the #1 overall dynasty pick in a 16 team league? I'm considering that. My team is aching for a WR and I'm debating taking him. All this talk of him being CJ2 is making me drool.

If it's PPR, yes.

How about non-PPR?

Kind of depends on the setup, but I would probably prefer Dwyer and maybe Spiller/Mathews.

 

[Mark Davis]

Also, whereas Crabtree was often taken at 1.04 or 1.05 last year, Bryant seems to be 1.01 or 1.02 depending

The top of the RB class last year was superior to the top of the RB class this year - overall position within the round is relative to the other talent available.

Agreed. I took Moreno last year without any serious consideration to Crabtree. This year I'm leaning Bryant unless someone like Dwyer ends up in a great situation. This is non-PPR.

 

[Steel Dillo]

How are his hands compared to Crabtree?

One of the things that sold me on Crabtree was his ability to snag balls with his hands no matter how hard the throw.

Did Bryant's college QB have a rocket arm?

 

[Bob Magaw]

It's funny, I was thinking of starting a thread similar to this one at lunch today. I hadn't seen this one yet. It seems to me I've heard most people prefer Dez Bryant to Michael Crabtree when it's been discussed. Also, whereas Crabtree was often taken at 1.04 or 1.05 last year, Bryant seems to be 1.01 or 1.02 depending on if you prefer Spiller. However, Crabtree was seen as a steal for the 49ers at the 10th pick overall in the NFL Draft. Most rankings have Bryant in that same general area or even a couple of picks later. Is the talent at the top of this year's draft that much better (and when I say talent, not speaking in fantasy terms, but in NFL terms) that Bryant may be a better prospect but could possibly be drafted lower in the NFL Draft? Or is it just that the mocks are based on teams' particular needs?For the record, I hold 1.01 in my draft and am heavily leaning Bryant. The only chance I see of that changing is if one of the RB's really looks great at the combine and ends up in a great situation.

this is a good question...as to the draft, i get the sense there is more & better defensive depth throughout the first round, at least in terms of, as much as we can know about 2010 grades relative to 2009 at this point (pre-combine)... if so, this could push bryant down a bit more, than he might have perhaps set in last years class (or they around him)...likely a lot of years there is an uneven distribution of offensive strength relative to defense, from year, and positional strenghts relative to each other must fluctuate a lot...good point that even if he goes later than 1.10, doesn't mean he is "intrinsically" less talented than crabtree...i think it might be important to make a distinction in talking about crabtree... how we think about him now could be different from pre-draft last year... my recollection is that crabtree was, AT THAT TIME & AT THIS SAME STAGE, considered in the dynasty community (not as sure about the NFL scouting community) a more elite prospect than bryant?IN-SEASON, crabtree was imo a bit of a mixed bag... the fact that he was a factor at all was pretty amazing and a testament to his talent... and yet when he did have the opportunity to make plays, perhaps there were some questions about a lack of elite explosiveness and separation ability?are there some out there that don't like crabtree as much as you did before (was the promise blunted & the hope tempered a little, when the rubber of his grade/prospects hit the road of his first pro competition?), or does the consensus very high opinion remain largely intact, and last year's production widely viewed as confirmation/validation of his high grade, and that it is still deserved and justified?to the extent there may be a difference in how we viewed crabtree then and now, it might be useful when talking about bryant/crabtree comparisons PRE-DRAFT, and in crabtree's case, factoring in his first (approx half) season...they have some parallels... crabtree was shrouded in uncertainty due to the broken foot, and related, causing him to be unable to furnish the scouting community with a 40 time at the combine (and speed was somewhat of a question, about the only one... for some scouts, for others, they pointed to his demonstrable functional/field speed, and his spectacular, historical even, production)... bryant will be able to run... there are some questions about his suspension... but i trust they are not as serious as if they had been due to something like violent crime, drugs, etc... at most, maybe questionable judgement

 

[Bob Magaw]

How are his hands compared to Crabtree?One of the things that sold me on Crabtree was his ability to snag balls with his hands no matter how hard the throw. Did Bryant's college QB have a rocket arm?

another good question... i meant to ask if his collegiate QB (Oklahoma St.?) impacted on his success... was he good, bad or average?* as to the PPR/non-PPR distinction, i think possibly bloom had crabtree top overall regardless pre-draft (if he does separate pre, as well as, obviously, post-draft rankings?)... forget about non-PPR POST-DRAFT... if he ever did have crabtree #1 overall, pretty sure post-draft moreno was bumped to top overall (crabtree #2?), as he was expected to become the focal point and centerpiece of the new HCs offense (somewhat surprisingly, as it was assumed he would graft NEs pass-centric offense onto DEN, when they already had marshall & royal - though cutler had been jettisoned by then)...

 

[Ministry of Pain]

How bad was the injury that kept him out for most of last year? He only had 17 receptions but looks like he only played 3 games.

 

[Bob Magaw]

How bad was the injury that kept him out for most of last year? He only had 17 receptions but looks like he only played 3 games.

i didn't look it up, but off the top of my head, thought he played more in the second half of the season... come to think of it, he was probably just with the team much of the second half (i think)... i also think he was brought along gradually (if not slowly, for a rookie), and for instance, didn't start his first game after signing.i'm starting to wonder if crabtree is actually undervalued... for redraft, there seem to be lingering questions if a QB currently on the roster can more fully unleash/lock his full potential... in dynasty leagues, a lot can happen in the next half decade+, and that may not be as big a concern.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Here's what he did in 2008, let's go thru this...

wk1 Wash St- 7/90/ and no TDs...they were unranked coming and OK St won 39-13

wk2 HOUSTON- 9/236/3 TDs...pinball game against a pinball shool and obviously the OK ST defense is questionable 56-37 win.

wk3 SW Mo ST-DNP

wk4 Troy- 6/118/3 TDs...another pinball video type game

wk5 Texas A&M 5/106/3TDs...3 weeks with 3 TDs is something to raise eyeballs but A&M hasn't been A&M for awhile so I still am not overly impressed yet, sorry.

wk6 Missouri (19th ranked in the country) 7/47 and no TDs

wk7 Baylor 11/210/2 TDs...again the competition is questionable here. Any 1st round DBs from Baylor, Toy, A&M, or HOU???

wk8 Texas(4th ranked) 6/74 and no TDs

wk9 Iowa St 9/170/4TDs...really racks his points up on lesser competition.

wk10 Texas Tech (12th ranked) 4/80 and no TDs

wk11 Colorado 4/80 and a TD

wk12 Oklahoma (5th ranked) 6/90/ and 2 TDs in a 61-41 loss...on the surface that seems solid, but why do I feel that Oklahoma was ahead like 54-17 at some point here, not sure he racked all this up against the topflight DBs, just pointing that out.

Not saying he isn't good but a Bob Magaw thread would not be credible unless we lift up the rug and look at some raw numbers a bit too. Good stuff as always Bob.

 

[Doug Drinen]

I forgot that Woods was indeed a 10 cent head guy. It is good to hear that Bryant is well grounded. Thanks again!

I can already tell that I'm going to be The Guy Who Splashes Cold Water on Every Dez Bryant Thread [TM] for the next seven months.I would not at all call Bryant well-grounded. I don't think he's a bad kid, but he appears to be very easily frustrated. Don't throw him the ball? He starts gesticulating? Rough him up a bit at the line of scrimmage? He will get frustrated and quite possibly retaliate to the tune of 15 yards. I know this kind of stuff is par for the course for extremely talented WRs, but IMO he's a bit much. He may well be the next Boldin or Andre Johnson. But he is IMO very far away from being the sure thing that this thread makes him appear to be.

 

[The Real Hipster Doofus]

I forgot that Woods was indeed a 10 cent head guy. It is good to hear that Bryant is well grounded. Thanks again!

I can already tell that I'm going to be The Guy Who Splashes Cold Water on Every Dez Bryant Thread [TM] for the next seven months.I would not at all call Bryant well-grounded. I don't think he's a bad kid, but he appears to be very easily frustrated. Don't throw him the ball? He starts gesticulating? Rough him up a bit at the line of scrimmage? He will get frustrated and quite possibly retaliate to the tune of 15 yards. I know this kind of stuff is par for the course for extremely talented WRs, but IMO he's a bit much. He may well be the next Boldin or Andre Johnson. But he is IMO very far away from being the sure thing that this thread makes him appear to be.

As you said yourself that kind of behavior is not uncommon with elite WR's. TO may have been a pain in the butt for real NFL teams, but he produced monster numbers everywhere he played.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I forgot that Woods was indeed a 10 cent head guy. It is good to hear that Bryant is well grounded. Thanks again!

I can already tell that I'm going to be The Guy Who Splashes Cold Water on Every Dez Bryant Thread [TM] for the next seven months.I would not at all call Bryant well-grounded. I don't think he's a bad kid, but he appears to be very easily frustrated. Don't throw him the ball? He starts gesticulating? Rough him up a bit at the line of scrimmage? He will get frustrated and quite possibly retaliate to the tune of 15 yards. I know this kind of stuff is par for the course for extremely talented WRs, but IMO he's a bit much. He may well be the next Boldin or Andre Johnson. But he is IMO very far away from being the sure thing that this thread makes him appear to be.

Oh I don't think you'll be the only one at the fornt of that bus DD. I really don't see 1st round talent at WR this year and many mocks have these guys lastinginto the top of the 2nd round. What teams are truly desperate for a WR? The teams that might fit the bill have too high picks like Miami who is not going to spend their 1st rounder on a WR, no way in hell that happens. Miami can probably land the kid from LSU in the 2nd round, can't keep up with all these names but many teams are looking into the 2nd and 3rd round for their WRs because it does take time to develop and also we have seen so many 1st round busts at WR the last 5-10 years.

 

[JohnnyU]

I forgot that Woods was indeed a 10 cent head guy. It is good to hear that Bryant is well grounded. Thanks again!

I can already tell that I'm going to be The Guy Who Splashes Cold Water on Every Dez Bryant Thread [TM] for the next seven months.I would not at all call Bryant well-grounded. I don't think he's a bad kid, but he appears to be very easily frustrated. Don't throw him the ball? He starts gesticulating? Rough him up a bit at the line of scrimmage? He will get frustrated and quite possibly retaliate to the tune of 15 yards. I know this kind of stuff is par for the course for extremely talented WRs, but IMO he's a bit much.

He may well be the next Boldin or Andre Johnson. But he is IMO very far away from being the sure thing that this thread makes him appear to be.

Sounds like just opinions without facts. Do you have a link to anything that suggests Bryant will complain about not getting the ball, or throw a punch if roughed up at the line of scrimmage?

 

[Bob Magaw]

I forgot that Woods was indeed a 10 cent head guy. It is good to hear that Bryant is well grounded. Thanks again!

I can already tell that I'm going to be The Guy Who Splashes Cold Water on Every Dez Bryant Thread [TM] for the next seven months.I would not at all call Bryant well-grounded. I don't think he's a bad kid, but he appears to be very easily frustrated. Don't throw him the ball? He starts gesticulating? Rough him up a bit at the line of scrimmage? He will get frustrated and quite possibly retaliate to the tune of 15 yards. I know this kind of stuff is par for the course for extremely talented WRs, but IMO he's a bit much.

He may well be the next Boldin or Andre Johnson. But he is IMO very far away from being the sure thing that this thread makes him appear to be.

Sounds like just opinions without facts. Do you have a link to anything that suggests Bryant will complain about not getting the ball, or throw a punch if roughed up at the line of scrimmage?

there is a difference between an observation and an opinion...though it might not be as subject to verification and empirical as triangle numbers...

until i can verify for myself, the fact that doug's rep precedes him, and his observations (& even opinions) carry a lot of weight for me, i'm going to take that at face value...

we certainly don't need a link... others who have seen him a lot, could confirm or deny doug's observations...

 

[Doug Drinen]

I forgot that Woods was indeed a 10 cent head guy. It is good to hear that Bryant is well grounded. Thanks again!

I can already tell that I'm going to be The Guy Who Splashes Cold Water on Every Dez Bryant Thread [TM] for the next seven months.I would not at all call Bryant well-grounded. I don't think he's a bad kid, but he appears to be very easily frustrated. Don't throw him the ball? He starts gesticulating? Rough him up a bit at the line of scrimmage? He will get frustrated and quite possibly retaliate to the tune of 15 yards. I know this kind of stuff is par for the course for extremely talented WRs, but IMO he's a bit much.

He may well be the next Boldin or Andre Johnson. But he is IMO very far away from being the sure thing that this thread makes him appear to be.

Sounds like just opinions without facts. Do you have a link to anything that suggests Bryant will complain about not getting the ball, or throw a punch if roughed up at the line of scrimmage?

:IBTL: I think it goes without saying that anytime you start talking about the mental/psychological/intellectual traits of people you've never met, you're obviously dealing in opinions. Take it for what it's worth: the observations of a guy who has watched a lot of OSU football. Nothing more.Watch the Georgia game. He made about 10 atrocious mental errors, and a couple of physical errors (drops) to boot. Of course, he also made a TD catch that about five people on the planet could have made, so it's not like I don't understand why people are excited about the upside. I just see more downside than most others seem to.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I forgot that Woods was indeed a 10 cent head guy. It is good to hear that Bryant is well grounded. Thanks again!

I can already tell that I'm going to be The Guy Who Splashes Cold Water on Every Dez Bryant Thread [TM] for the next seven months.I would not at all call Bryant well-grounded. I don't think he's a bad kid, but he appears to be very easily frustrated. Don't throw him the ball? He starts gesticulating? Rough him up a bit at the line of scrimmage? He will get frustrated and quite possibly retaliate to the tune of 15 yards. I know this kind of stuff is par for the course for extremely talented WRs, but IMO he's a bit much.

He may well be the next Boldin or Andre Johnson. But he is IMO very far away from being the sure thing that this thread makes him appear to be.

Sounds like just opinions without facts. Do you have a link to anything that suggests Bryant will complain about not getting the ball, or throw a punch if roughed up at the line of scrimmage?

Do you know why he missed the 3/4 of his Senior Season? I was being cute when I asked what his injury situation was. This guy lied to the NCAA about having dinner with Deion Sanders IIRC. Sanders as you might recall was the megaphone for Crabtree and he looked ridiculous on the NFLN talking about where SF needed to come in at for the signing bonus, only delayed the whole process another month. If Dez Bryant is the kind of guy who thinks he is Mr Bling already and is going to have a Neon Deion atitude as he walks into the place, cross him off my list of hopefuls. There is definitely a reason to ask questions Sir JohnnyU.

 

[Christo]

I forgot that Woods was indeed a 10 cent head guy. It is good to hear that Bryant is well grounded. Thanks again!

I can already tell that I'm going to be The Guy Who Splashes Cold Water on Every Dez Bryant Thread [TM] for the next seven months.I would not at all call Bryant well-grounded. I don't think he's a bad kid, but he appears to be very easily frustrated. Don't throw him the ball? He starts gesticulating? Rough him up a bit at the line of scrimmage? He will get frustrated and quite possibly retaliate to the tune of 15 yards. I know this kind of stuff is par for the course for extremely talented WRs, but IMO he's a bit much.

He may well be the next Boldin or Andre Johnson. But he is IMO very far away from being the sure thing that this thread makes him appear to be.

Sounds like just opinions without facts. Do you have a link to anything that suggests Bryant will complain about not getting the ball, or throw a punch if roughed up at the line of scrimmage?

Do you know why he missed the 3/4 of his Senior Season? I was being cute when I asked what his injury situation was. This guy lied to the NCAA about having dinner with Deion Sanders IIRC. Sanders as you might recall was the megaphone for Crabtree and he looked ridiculous on the NFLN talking about where SF needed to come in at for the signing bonus, only delayed the whole process another month. If Dez Bryant is the kind of guy who thinks he is Mr Bling already and is going to have a Neon Deion atitude as he walks into the place, cross him off my list of hopefuls. There is definitely a reason to ask questions Sir JohnnyU.

Seemed to work for Deion.

 

[JohnnyU]

Do you know why he missed the 3/4 of his Senior Season? I was being cute when I asked what his injury situation was. This guy lied to the NCAA about having dinner with Deion Sanders IIRC. Sanders as you might recall was the megaphone for Crabtree and he looked ridiculous on the NFLN talking about where SF needed to come in at for the signing bonus, only delayed the whole process another month.

If Dez Bryant is the kind of guy who thinks he is Mr Bling already and is going to have a Neon Deion atitude as he walks into the place, cross him off my list of hopefuls. There is definitely a reason to ask questions Sir JohnnyU.

BFD, he lied about having dinner at Deion Sanders' house. What a joke that was The NCAA is the joke, and they are the one's who should have been penalized. Bryant's mother served time in prison on a drug-sale conviction and he's had to put up with a lot in his life. I think he's a pretty good kid, and for what he's had to go through he's a well grounded individual.

As for your comment, "cross him off my list of hopefuls", well, I'm sure others in your leagues are happy to hear this tid bit of news.