What is left to say about the New England Patriots? (1 Viewer)

[bucsbaby]

I think the Pats organization deserves a lot of credit but at the end of they day, they lucked out with Tom Brady. There would be no Superbowls or any of the other accolades without that guy. Belichick might not even still be the coach.

You think Tom Brady would be *the* Tom Brady if he went to the Browns or some other NFL wasteland?I'm not a NE fanboy and I'm certainly not a hater. I just can't help but respect the high level of quality that this organization has demonstrated for a long time now in the free agency era. Not only are they competitive season in and season out, they also always seem to have a whack load of draft picks to continually reload year in and year out. Belichik plug-and-plays the players he has into the positions he can and then adapts his scheme around what he has to work with. His team can always beat you in at least a few different ways. And, when a player costs too much or becomes a distraction, they know when to pull the trigger on getting rid of them. Conversely, they have also rehabilitated a number of players from other teams at bargain-basement costs to acquire.I'm not saying they have the Midas touch, because they have whiffed on occasion too, but, show me a team that doesn't -- now show me a team with the level of success they've strung together recently (hint: there aren't many).

 

[TwinTurbo]

I think the Pats organization deserves a lot of credit but at the end of they day, they lucked out with Tom Brady. There would be no Superbowls or any of the other accolades without that guy. Belichick might not even still be the coach.

You could say the same thing about any team, but the bottom line is you don't know that. They went 11-5 when Brady was out for the season, and they have two great backups now.

Sure of course we can only speculate and there is no way to know definitively. Even without Brady the Pats may still have found another QB that could have led them to the playoffs. But the fact is they didn't make the playoffs the year they went 11-5 and that was with an easy schedule and a fairly talented team even without Brady. Even if they did make it, what were the odds of winning a Superbowl with a guy like Cassel and one of the league's worst defenses? I think Brady or any elite QB is infinitely more valuable than any great HC and even the best HC's usually look downright ordinary without a great QB unless they also manage to assemble an elite defense. I just think there are more than a few other HC's that might be considered a "genius" if they had a QB like Brady or Manning for 10 years.

 

[TwinTurbo]

I think the Pats organization deserves a lot of credit but at the end of they day, they lucked out with Tom Brady. There would be no Superbowls or any of the other accolades without that guy. Belichick might not even still be the coach.

You think Tom Brady would be *the* Tom Brady if he went to the Browns or some other NFL wasteland?I'm not a NE fanboy and I'm certainly not a hater. I just can't help but respect the high level of quality that this organization has demonstrated for a long time now in the free agency era. Not only are they competitive season in and season out, they also always seem to have a whack load of draft picks to continually reload year in and year out. Belichik plug-and-plays the players he has into the positions he can and then adapts his scheme around what he has to work with. His team can always beat you in at least a few different ways. And, when a player costs too much or becomes a distraction, they know when to pull the trigger on getting rid of them. Conversely, they have also rehabilitated a number of players from other teams at bargain-basement costs to acquire.I'm not saying they have the Midas touch, because they have whiffed on occasion too, but, show me a team that doesn't -- now show me a team with the level of success they've strung together recently (hint: there aren't many).

Outside of 1985, the Patriots were an NFL wasteland like the Browns until Parcells was hired. And even then, they never won a Superbowl until Brady came along. It's fun to speculate what might have been if he had been drafted by another team with a decent front office. How much longer might Mariucci have coached the 49ers if they had drafted Brady instead of a guy like Giovanni Carmazzi or Tim Rattay? I really do think it's possible that Belichick might not be HC of the Pats today if they had never drafted Brady. But we'll never know.

 

[Riversco]

I think the Pats organization deserves a lot of credit but at the end of they day, they lucked out with Tom Brady. There would be no Superbowls or any of the other accolades without that guy. Belichick might not even still be the coach.

You think Tom Brady would be *the* Tom Brady if he went to the Browns or some other NFL wasteland?I'm not a NE fanboy and I'm certainly not a hater. I just can't help but respect the high level of quality that this organization has demonstrated for a long time now in the free agency era. Not only are they competitive season in and season out, they also always seem to have a whack load of draft picks to continually reload year in and year out. Belichik plug-and-plays the players he has into the positions he can and then adapts his scheme around what he has to work with. His team can always beat you in at least a few different ways. And, when a player costs too much or becomes a distraction, they know when to pull the trigger on getting rid of them. Conversely, they have also rehabilitated a number of players from other teams at bargain-basement costs to acquire.I'm not saying they have the Midas touch, because they have whiffed on occasion too, but, show me a team that doesn't -- now show me a team with the level of success they've strung together recently (hint: there aren't many).

Outside of 1985, the Patriots were an NFL wasteland like the Browns until Parcells was hired. And even then, they never won a Superbowl until Brady came along. It's fun to speculate what might have been if he had been drafted by another team with a decent front office. How much longer might Mariucci have coached the 49ers if they had drafted Brady instead of a guy like Giovanni Carmazzi or Tim Rattay? I really do think it's possible that Belichick might not be HC of the Pats today if they had never drafted Brady. But we'll never know.

Belichick's team did defeat the 2001 13-3 Steelers, in Pittsburgh, in the AFC Championship game, with Drew Bledsoe at quarterback. It was Bledsoe who hoisted that first Lamar Hunt trophy in the air. Brady was injured. There might not be a tougher place to play than in Pittsburgh for the title. And yet the Patriots got it done without Brady.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

I think the Pats organization deserves a lot of credit but at the end of they day, they lucked out with Tom Brady. There would be no Superbowls or any of the other accolades without that guy. Belichick might not even still be the coach.

You think Tom Brady would be *the* Tom Brady if he went to the Browns or some other NFL wasteland?I'm not a NE fanboy and I'm certainly not a hater. I just can't help but respect the high level of quality that this organization has demonstrated for a long time now in the free agency era. Not only are they competitive season in and season out, they also always seem to have a whack load of draft picks to continually reload year in and year out. Belichik plug-and-plays the players he has into the positions he can and then adapts his scheme around what he has to work with. His team can always beat you in at least a few different ways. And, when a player costs too much or becomes a distraction, they know when to pull the trigger on getting rid of them. Conversely, they have also rehabilitated a number of players from other teams at bargain-basement costs to acquire.I'm not saying they have the Midas touch, because they have whiffed on occasion too, but, show me a team that doesn't -- now show me a team with the level of success they've strung together recently (hint: there aren't many).

Outside of 1985, the Patriots were an NFL wasteland like the Browns until Parcells was hired. And even then, they never won a Superbowl until Brady came along. It's fun to speculate what might have been if he had been drafted by another team with a decent front office. How much longer might Mariucci have coached the 49ers if they had drafted Brady instead of a guy like Giovanni Carmazzi or Tim Rattay? I really do think it's possible that Belichick might not be HC of the Pats today if they had never drafted Brady. But we'll never know.

they won 11 games with their BACK UP QB who got better as the year went on.in the 2001 superbowl I believe they scored 1 offensive td.if you'll never know why speculate about it as if it's fact?

 

[PatsFanCT]

I think the Pats organization deserves a lot of credit but at the end of they day, they lucked out with Tom Brady. There would be no Superbowls or any of the other accolades without that guy. Belichick might not even still be the coach.

You think Tom Brady would be *the* Tom Brady if he went to the Browns or some other NFL wasteland?I'm not a NE fanboy and I'm certainly not a hater. I just can't help but respect the high level of quality that this organization has demonstrated for a long time now in the free agency era. Not only are they competitive season in and season out, they also always seem to have a whack load of draft picks to continually reload year in and year out. Belichik plug-and-plays the players he has into the positions he can and then adapts his scheme around what he has to work with. His team can always beat you in at least a few different ways. And, when a player costs too much or becomes a distraction, they know when to pull the trigger on getting rid of them. Conversely, they have also rehabilitated a number of players from other teams at bargain-basement costs to acquire.I'm not saying they have the Midas touch, because they have whiffed on occasion too, but, show me a team that doesn't -- now show me a team with the level of success they've strung together recently (hint: there aren't many).

Outside of 1985, the Patriots were an NFL wasteland like the Browns until Parcells was hired. And even then, they never won a Superbowl until Brady came along. It's fun to speculate what might have been if he had been drafted by another team with a decent front office. How much longer might Mariucci have coached the 49ers if they had drafted Brady instead of a guy like Giovanni Carmazzi or Tim Rattay? I really do think it's possible that Belichick might not be HC of the Pats today if they had never drafted Brady. But we'll never know.

It's called the Kraft era. Don't confuse previous regimes with this one. They couldn't be further apart.

 

[bostonfred]

I don't get all the NE hate. I mean, if they cheated like UNC's football program, I would understand. I really would, but you have to respect Craft and the management for keeping this team at this high of a level for so long.

I hate them because I'm a Dolphins fan.

Colts, jets, bills. Steelers, ravens, raiders, chargers, rams, eagles, panthers, and to a lesser extent, giants, jaguars, broncos, chiefs and packers fans all feel the same way. More than a third of the nfl has had their championship path blocked by the patriots dynasty. Theres a reason great teams are hated. They beat so many other teams along the way that their fan bases inherently root against them. I have no reason to hate the chargers, because they've been mostly harmless to the patriots. But I totally understand their fans hating us.

 

[Buffaloes]

I don't get all the NE hate. I mean, if they cheated like UNC's football program, I would understand. I really would, but you have to respect Craft and the management for keeping this team at this high of a level for so long.

I hate them because I'm a Dolphins fan.

Colts, jets, bills. Steelers, ravens, raiders, chargers, rams, eagles, panthers, and to a lesser extent, giants, jaguars, broncos, chiefs and packers fans all feel the same way. More than a third of the nfl has had their championship path blocked by the patriots

When did the Broncos have a legit championship shot derailed by the pats? I remember the 2005 team being derailed, but that was by Pittsburgh--a week after Denver ended NE's season in the Divisional round. The Belichick/Brady pats beat Denver in 1 playoff game and that was the 8-8 team that backed into the playoffs 2 weeks ago. There is no big history of the pats doing anything substantial to Denver's championship hopes.

 

[bostonfred]

I don't get all the NE hate. I mean, if they cheated like UNC's football program, I would understand. I really would, but you have to respect Craft and the management for keeping this team at this high of a level for so long.

I hate them because I'm a Dolphins fan.

Colts, jets, bills. Steelers, ravens, raiders, chargers, rams, eagles, panthers, and to a lesser extent, giants, jaguars, broncos, chiefs and packers fans all feel the same way. More than a third of the nfl has had their championship path blocked by the patriots

When did the Broncos have a legit championship shot derailed by the pats? I remember the 2005 team being derailed, but that was by Pittsburgh--a week after Denver ended NE's season in the Divisional round. The Belichick/Brady pats beat Denver in 1 playoff game and that was the 8-8 team that backed into the playoffs 2 weeks ago. There is no big history of the pats doing anything substantial to Denver's championship hopes.

that's why they were in the "to a lesser extent" bucket with the jaguars. There are 11 teams in the first bucket, between division rivals, afc playoff opponents, or superbowl opponents, which is over a third of the league.

 

[SacramentoBob]

Great call Tim.

 

[Andrew74]

Kiss of death.

 

[Tanner9919]

I don't get all the NE hate. I mean, if they cheated like UNC's football program, I would understand. I really would, but you have to respect Craft and the management for keeping this team at this high of a level for so long.

I hate them because I'm a Dolphins fan.

Colts, jets, bills. Steelers, ravens, raiders, chargers, rams, eagles, panthers, and to a lesser extent, giants, jaguars, broncos, chiefs and packers fans all feel the same way. More than a third of the nfl has had their championship path blocked by the patriots dynasty. Theres a reason great teams are hated. They beat so many other teams along the way that their fan bases inherently root against them. I have no reason to hate the chargers, because they've been mostly harmless to the patriots. But I totally understand their fans hating us.

Giants have never had a championship run altered , in any way, by NE. Ever.We are 2-0 vs so called greatest ever tommy brady in the big game..give nyg some respect....give them lots of love. Brady since spygate is 0-2 in the big game..hmmm.i wonder why..Cant win without cheating..????

 

[John Bender]

I don't get all the NE hate. I mean, if they cheated like UNC's football program, I would understand. I really would, but you have to respect Craft and the management for keeping this team at this high of a level for so long.

I hate them because I'm a Dolphins fan.

Colts, jets, bills. Steelers, ravens, raiders, chargers, rams, eagles, panthers, and to a lesser extent, giants, jaguars, broncos, chiefs and packers fans all feel the same way. More than a third of the nfl has had their championship path blocked by the patriots dynasty. Theres a reason great teams are hated. They beat so many other teams along the way that their fan bases inherently root against them. I have no reason to hate the chargers, because they've been mostly harmless to the patriots. But I totally understand their fans hating us.

Giants have never had a championship run altered , in any way, by NE. Ever.We are 2-0 vs so called greatest ever tommy brady in the big game..give nyg some respect....give them lots of love. Brady since spygate is 0-2 in the big game..hmmm.i wonder why..

Cant win without cheating..????

Who's we?

 

[BigSteelThrill]

I don't get all the NE hate. I mean, if they cheated like UNC's football program, I would understand. I really would, but you have to respect Craft and the management for keeping this team at this high of a level for so long.

I hate them because I'm a Dolphins fan.

Colts, jets, bills. Steelers, ravens, raiders, chargers, rams, eagles, panthers, and to a lesser extent, giants, jaguars, broncos, chiefs and packers fans all feel the same way. More than a third of the nfl has had their championship path blocked by the patriots dynasty. Theres a reason great teams are hated. They beat so many other teams along the way that their fan bases inherently root against them. I have no reason to hate the chargers, because they've been mostly harmless to the patriots. But I totally understand their fans hating us.

Giants have never had a championship run altered , in any way, by NE. Ever.We are 2-0 vs so called greatest ever tommy brady in the big game..give nyg some respect....give them lots of love. Brady since spygate is 0-2 in the big game..hmmm.i wonder why..

Cant win without cheating..????

Who's we?

Teams include their fans.Without fans, you have neither a team nor a league.

 

[John Bender]

I don't get all the NE hate. I mean, if they cheated like UNC's football program, I would understand. I really would, but you have to respect Craft and the management for keeping this team at this high of a level for so long.

I hate them because I'm a Dolphins fan.

Colts, jets, bills. Steelers, ravens, raiders, chargers, rams, eagles, panthers, and to a lesser extent, giants, jaguars, broncos, chiefs and packers fans all feel the same way. More than a third of the nfl has had their championship path blocked by the patriots dynasty. Theres a reason great teams are hated. They beat so many other teams along the way that their fan bases inherently root against them. I have no reason to hate the chargers, because they've been mostly harmless to the patriots. But I totally understand their fans hating us.

Giants have never had a championship run altered , in any way, by NE. Ever.We are 2-0 vs so called greatest ever tommy brady in the big game..give nyg some respect....give them lots of love. Brady since spygate is 0-2 in the big game..hmmm.i wonder why..

Cant win without cheating..????

Who's we?

Teams include their fans.Without fans, you have neither a team nor a league.

They do? Really?

 

[BigSteelThrill]

I don't get all the NE hate. I mean, if they cheated like UNC's football program, I would understand. I really would, but you have to respect Craft and the management for keeping this team at this high of a level for so long.

I hate them because I'm a Dolphins fan.

Colts, jets, bills. Steelers, ravens, raiders, chargers, rams, eagles, panthers, and to a lesser extent, giants, jaguars, broncos, chiefs and packers fans all feel the same way. More than a third of the nfl has had their championship path blocked by the patriots dynasty. Theres a reason great teams are hated. They beat so many other teams along the way that their fan bases inherently root against them. I have no reason to hate the chargers, because they've been mostly harmless to the patriots. But I totally understand their fans hating us.

Giants have never had a championship run altered , in any way, by NE. Ever.We are 2-0 vs so called greatest ever tommy brady in the big game..give nyg some respect....give them lots of love. Brady since spygate is 0-2 in the big game..hmmm.i wonder why..

Cant win without cheating..????

Who's we?

Teams include their fans.Without fans, you have neither a team nor a league.

They do? Really?

Yep.

 

[TwinTurbo]

I think the Pats organization deserves a lot of credit but at the end of they day, they lucked out with Tom Brady. There would be no Superbowls or any of the other accolades without that guy. Belichick might not even still be the coach.

You think Tom Brady would be *the* Tom Brady if he went to the Browns or some other NFL wasteland?I'm not a NE fanboy and I'm certainly not a hater. I just can't help but respect the high level of quality that this organization has demonstrated for a long time now in the free agency era. Not only are they competitive season in and season out, they also always seem to have a whack load of draft picks to continually reload year in and year out. Belichik plug-and-plays the players he has into the positions he can and then adapts his scheme around what he has to work with. His team can always beat you in at least a few different ways. And, when a player costs too much or becomes a distraction, they know when to pull the trigger on getting rid of them. Conversely, they have also rehabilitated a number of players from other teams at bargain-basement costs to acquire.I'm not saying they have the Midas touch, because they have whiffed on occasion too, but, show me a team that doesn't -- now show me a team with the level of success they've strung together recently (hint: there aren't many).

Outside of 1985, the Patriots were an NFL wasteland like the Browns until Parcells was hired. And even then, they never won a Superbowl until Brady came along. It's fun to speculate what might have been if he had been drafted by another team with a decent front office. How much longer might Mariucci have coached the 49ers if they had drafted Brady instead of a guy like Giovanni Carmazzi or Tim Rattay? I really do think it's possible that Belichick might not be HC of the Pats today if they had never drafted Brady. But we'll never know.

Belichick's team did defeat the 2001 13-3 Steelers, in Pittsburgh, in the AFC Championship game, with Drew Bledsoe at quarterback. It was Bledsoe who hoisted that first Lamar Hunt trophy in the air. Brady was injured. There might not be a tougher place to play than in Pittsburgh for the title. And yet the Patriots got it done without Brady.

Well technically Brady did start that game but more importantly Kordell started for the Steelers in what would deservedly be his last playoff game.

 

[Class Dismissed]

They never talk about Belichicks awesome record in rematches anymore, it used to be if you played them earlier in the season, they were like automatic wins for BB in the second game, they used to throw up that stat all the time, it was a ridiculous stat.

Some thing must of happened.

 

[Tanner9919]

Whats left to say? They cant win without cheating..they win with smoke n mirrors.their opponents were 115-141 this season..they got lucky v ravens.shoulda been one n done if steelers beat denver. Their chuck n duck offense sucks since they cant run at all..Tommy is small in big games..Eli is just.plain.better...Tommy isnt in the discussion of the best ever QB..

What. Else...???

 

[John Bender]

Whats left to say? They cant win without cheating..they win with smoke n mirrors.their opponents were 115-141 this season..they got lucky v ravens.shoulda been one n done if steelers beat denver. Their chuck n duck offense sucks since they cant run at all..Tommy is small in big games..Eli is just.plain.better...Tommy isnt in the discussion of the best ever QB..

What. Else...???

I don't know. You keep saying stuff in every thread in the Shark Pool.

 

[John Bender]

I don't get all the NE hate. I mean, if they cheated like UNC's football program, I would understand. I really would, but you have to respect Craft and the management for keeping this team at this high of a level for so long.

I hate them because I'm a Dolphins fan.

Colts, jets, bills. Steelers, ravens, raiders, chargers, rams, eagles, panthers, and to a lesser extent, giants, jaguars, broncos, chiefs and packers fans all feel the same way. More than a third of the nfl has had their championship path blocked by the patriots dynasty. Theres a reason great teams are hated. They beat so many other teams along the way that their fan bases inherently root against them. I have no reason to hate the chargers, because they've been mostly harmless to the patriots. But I totally understand their fans hating us.

Giants have never had a championship run altered , in any way, by NE. Ever.We are 2-0 vs so called greatest ever tommy brady in the big game..give nyg some respect....give them lots of love. Brady since spygate is 0-2 in the big game..hmmm.i wonder why..

Cant win without cheating..????

Who's we?

Teams include their fans.Without fans, you have neither a team nor a league.

They do? Really?

Yep.

Well good for you if that's the way you think. - Truly

 

[cobalt_27]

Great call Tim.

Another typical Tim thread, posing as a topic, but really just another vanity excuse to give others the opportunity to know what's on his mind.

 

[John Bender]

Great call Tim.

Another typical Tim thread, posing as a topic, but really just another vanity excuse to give others the opportunity to know what's on his mind.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

I don't get all the NE hate. I mean, if they cheated like UNC's football program, I would understand. I really would, but you have to respect Craft and the management for keeping this team at this high of a level for so long.

I hate them because I'm a Dolphins fan.

Colts, jets, bills. Steelers, ravens, raiders, chargers, rams, eagles, panthers, and to a lesser extent, giants, jaguars, broncos, chiefs and packers fans all feel the same way. More than a third of the nfl has had their championship path blocked by the patriots dynasty. Theres a reason great teams are hated. They beat so many other teams along the way that their fan bases inherently root against them. I have no reason to hate the chargers, because they've been mostly harmless to the patriots. But I totally understand their fans hating us.

Giants have never had a championship run altered , in any way, by NE. Ever.We are 2-0 vs so called greatest ever tommy brady in the big game..give nyg some respect....give them lots of love. Brady since spygate is 0-2 in the big game..hmmm.i wonder why..Cant win without cheating..????

and new york's still just as classy as ever.can't imagine how they get this rep with the rest of the country.

 

[John Bender]

I don't get all the NE hate. I mean, if they cheated like UNC's football program, I would understand. I really would, but you have to respect Craft and the management for keeping this team at this high of a level for so long.

I hate them because I'm a Dolphins fan.

Colts, jets, bills. Steelers, ravens, raiders, chargers, rams, eagles, panthers, and to a lesser extent, giants, jaguars, broncos, chiefs and packers fans all feel the same way. More than a third of the nfl has had their championship path blocked by the patriots dynasty. Theres a reason great teams are hated. They beat so many other teams along the way that their fan bases inherently root against them. I have no reason to hate the chargers, because they've been mostly harmless to the patriots. But I totally understand their fans hating us.

Giants have never had a championship run altered , in any way, by NE. Ever.We are 2-0 vs so called greatest ever tommy brady in the big game..give nyg some respect....give them lots of love. Brady since spygate is 0-2 in the big game..hmmm.i wonder why..Cant win without cheating..????

and new york's still just as classy as ever.can't imagine how they get this rep with the rest of the country.

Shocking, isn't it?

 

[dutch]

I, for one, am overjoyed, ecstatic, and thrilled the Patriots lost today. Could not ask for a better outcome. Brady coming up small was just icing on the cake.

 

[GoFishTN]

I, for one, am overjoyed, ecstatic, and thrilled the Patriots lost today. Could not ask for a better outcome. Brady coming up small was just icing on the cake.

 

[Andrew74]

I, for one, am overjoyed, ecstatic, and thrilled the Patriots lost today. Could not ask for a better outcome. Brady coming up small was just icing on the cake.

I can't even go to sleep now.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

I don't get all the NE hate. I mean, if they cheated like UNC's football program, I would understand. I really would, but you have to respect Craft and the management for keeping this team at this high of a level for so long.

I hate them because I'm a Dolphins fan.

Colts, jets, bills. Steelers, ravens, raiders, chargers, rams, eagles, panthers, and to a lesser extent, giants, jaguars, broncos, chiefs and packers fans all feel the same way. More than a third of the nfl has had their championship path blocked by the patriots dynasty. Theres a reason great teams are hated. They beat so many other teams along the way that their fan bases inherently root against them. I have no reason to hate the chargers, because they've been mostly harmless to the patriots. But I totally understand their fans hating us.

Giants have never had a championship run altered , in any way, by NE. Ever.We are 2-0 vs so called greatest ever tommy brady in the big game..give nyg some respect....give them lots of love. Brady since spygate is 0-2 in the big game..hmmm.i wonder why..

Cant win without cheating..????

Who's we?

Teams include their fans.Without fans, you have neither a team nor a league.

They do? Really?

Yep.

Well good for you if that's the way you think. - Truly

Funny you had no problem with Bostonfred using the word "us" when describing the Patriots..

 

[Carolina Hustler]

I don't get all the NE hate. I mean, if they cheated like UNC's football program, I would understand. I really would, but you have to respect Craft and the management for keeping this team at this high of a level for so long.

I hate them because I'm a Dolphins fan.

Colts, jets, bills. Steelers, ravens, raiders, chargers, rams, eagles, panthers, and to a lesser extent, giants, jaguars, broncos, chiefs and packers fans all feel the same way. More than a third of the nfl has had their championship path blocked by the patriots dynasty. Theres a reason great teams are hated. They beat so many other teams along the way that their fan bases inherently root against them. I have no reason to hate the chargers, because they've been mostly harmless to the patriots. But I totally understand their fans hating us.

Giants have never had a championship run altered , in any way, by NE. Ever.We are 2-0 vs so called greatest ever tommy brady in the big game..give nyg some respect....give them lots of love. Brady since spygate is 0-2 in the big game..hmmm.i wonder why..Cant win without cheating..????

and new york's still just as classy as ever.can't imagine how they get this rep with the rest of the country.

I thought timschochet was a Steelers fan

 

[BigSteelThrill]

I thought timschochet was a Steelers fan

XHe is a shill.

He pretends to be a Steeler fan, but he is actually a Patriot fan.

Truth.

 

[Man In The Box]

I don't get all the NE hate. I mean, if they cheated like UNC's football program, I would understand. I really would, but you have to respect Craft and the management for keeping this team at this high of a level for so long.

I hate them because I'm a Dolphins fan.

Colts, jets, bills. Steelers, ravens, raiders, chargers, rams, eagles, panthers, and to a lesser extent, giants, jaguars, broncos, chiefs and packers fans all feel the same way. More than a third of the nfl has had their championship path blocked by the patriots dynasty. Theres a reason great teams are hated. They beat so many other teams along the way that their fan bases inherently root against them. I have no reason to hate the chargers, because they've been mostly harmless to the patriots. But I totally understand their fans hating us.

Even though they lost, I still hate them. They could go 0-16 next year and I'd still hate them.

 

[drummer]

Great call Tim.

Another typical Tim thread, posing as a topic, but really just another vanity excuse to give others the opportunity to know what's on his mind.

 

[Dr. Gobbler]

Patriots suck at D and suck a lot of Giants D.

They can't win without cheating.

They can't win without Crennel

Belichick is a Karma magnet .

Eli>>>>Brady

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

I don't get all the NE hate. I mean, if they cheated like UNC's football program, I would understand. I really would, but you have to respect Craft and the management for keeping this team at this high of a level for so long.

I hate them because I'm a Dolphins fan.

Colts, jets, bills. Steelers, ravens, raiders, chargers, rams, eagles, panthers, and to a lesser extent, giants, jaguars, broncos, chiefs and packers fans all feel the same way. More than a third of the nfl has had their championship path blocked by the patriots dynasty. Theres a reason great teams are hated. They beat so many other teams along the way that their fan bases inherently root against them. I have no reason to hate the chargers, because they've been mostly harmless to the patriots. But I totally understand their fans hating us.

Even though they lost, I still hate them. They could go 0-16 next year and I'd still hate them.

I think if they went 0-16 I'd start hating them

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Tim really put the hex on the Pats. Do me a favor, don't ever write a thread on the Dolphins if they ever get it turned around, thanks.

 

[The Dude]

Here's something that ain't been said - for all BB's greatness, he is an idiot as well.

Something like 24 draft picks on defense over the last 5 years - and that's what he puts on the field? I understand his picks were late but you have to hit on a couple. Plus he consistently trades down - there's no reason to trade down unless you are smarter than everyone else. You trade down cause you can get the player you want later.

Woodhead made some nice receptions - but that guy should not be carrying the ball against an opponent of the Giants caliber - wasted downs.

Why is Edelman the best choice to play DB in the regular season but not in the SB? Because you can get anyway with it against lesser opponents and look cool doing it. But the reality is he doesn't belong on the field on D.

 

[John Bender]

Here's something that ain't been said - for all BB's greatness, he is an idiot as well.

Something like 24 draft picks on defense over the last 5 years - and that's what he puts on the field? I understand his picks were late but you have to hit on a couple. Plus he consistently trades down - there's no reason to trade down unless you are smarter than everyone else. You trade down cause you can get the player you want later.

Woodhead made some nice receptions - but that guy should not be carrying the ball against an opponent of the Giants caliber - wasted downs.

Why is Edelman the best choice to play DB in the regular season but not in the SB? Because you can get anyway with it against lesser opponents and look cool doing it. But the reality is he doesn't belong on the field on D.

Agree with this - has great hands, but they should not be handing the ball off to him ever against the Giants. Should have been Green Ellis with all those carries who is more powerful and can drive through traffic. Seeing Woodhead so active in the running game was a head scratcher.

 

[roadkill1292]

Here's something that ain't been said - for all BB's greatness, he is an idiot as well. Something like 24 draft picks on defense over the last 5 years - and that's what he puts on the field? I understand his picks were late but you have to hit on a couple. Plus he consistently trades down - there's no reason to trade down unless you are smarter than everyone else. You trade down cause you can get the player you want later.Woodhead made some nice receptions - but that guy should not be carrying the ball against an opponent of the Giants caliber - wasted downs.Why is Edelman the best choice to play DB in the regular season but not in the SB? Because you can get anyway with it against lesser opponents and look cool doing it. But the reality is he doesn't belong on the field on D.

I don't know which to weigh more heavily -- the fact that he can win with a defensive unit like that or the fact that he built that crappy defense to begin with. It occurred to me more than once this year that, should Brady go down, the Pats would look an awful lot like Indianapolis after Peyton's injury.

 

[PatsFanCT]

Here's something that ain't been said - for all BB's greatness, he is an idiot as well. Something like 24 draft picks on defense over the last 5 years - and that's what he puts on the field? I understand his picks were late but you have to hit on a couple. Plus he consistently trades down - there's no reason to trade down unless you are smarter than everyone else. You trade down cause you can get the player you want later.Woodhead made some nice receptions - but that guy should not be carrying the ball against an opponent of the Giants caliber - wasted downs.Why is Edelman the best choice to play DB in the regular season but not in the SB? Because you can get anyway with it against lesser opponents and look cool doing it. But the reality is he doesn't belong on the field on D.

I don't know which to weigh more heavily -- the fact that he can win with a defensive unit like that or the fact that he built that crappy defense to begin with. It occurred to me more than once this year that, should Brady go down, the Pats would look an awful lot like Indianapolis after Peyton's injury.

Completely untrue.First of all, Belichick would never let his team quit on themselves like Indy did.Second, the Pats have the best 2nd and 3rd string QB's in the league. They will not miss a beat without Brady, as long as BB is there.Third, dumb-asses who think "the Pats can't win without cheating", are, well, dumb-asses.The Giants won, and I give them props, but if Welker catches that pass inside the 20 with under 4 to go, the Pats win that game.

 

[Ghost Rider]

The Giants won, and I give them props, but if Welker catches that pass inside the 20 with under 4 to go, the Pats win that game.

But he didn't, so they didn't. And if Lee Evans catches that ball in the AFCCG, the Patriots were at home watching the Super Bowl last weekend.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Here's something that ain't been said - for all BB's greatness, he is an idiot as well. Something like 24 draft picks on defense over the last 5 years - and that's what he puts on the field? I understand his picks were late but you have to hit on a couple. Plus he consistently trades down - there's no reason to trade down unless you are smarter than everyone else. You trade down cause you can get the player you want later.Woodhead made some nice receptions - but that guy should not be carrying the ball against an opponent of the Giants caliber - wasted downs.Why is Edelman the best choice to play DB in the regular season but not in the SB? Because you can get anyway with it against lesser opponents and look cool doing it. But the reality is he doesn't belong on the field on D.

I don't know which to weigh more heavily -- the fact that he can win with a defensive unit like that or the fact that he built that crappy defense to begin with. It occurred to me more than once this year that, should Brady go down, the Pats would look an awful lot like Indianapolis after Peyton's injury.

Completely untrue.First of all, Belichick would never let his team quit on themselves like Indy did.Second, the Pats have the best 2nd and 3rd string QB's in the league. They will not miss a beat without Brady, as long as BB is there.Third, dumb-asses who think "the Pats can't win without cheating", are, well, dumb-asses.The Giants won, and I give them props, but if Welker catches that pass inside the 20 with under 4 to go, the Pats win that game.

Not if that ridiculous holding call in the first half would have been called correctly...Not if Bradshaw would have keeled at the 1 yard line...Not if Evans would have held onto the ball in the AFC championship game...Not if Billy Cundiff didn't pull a Scott Norwood....... sigh... only if... woulda coulda shoulda..Try turning your anger away from other fans and focusing it on that poorly thrown ball by your Franchise Choker.. erm.. Quarterback..

 

[Jake22]

I think the Pats organization deserves a lot of credit but at the end of they day, they lucked out with Tom Brady. There would be no Superbowls or any of the other accolades without that guy. Belichick might not even still be the coach.

You think Tom Brady would be *the* Tom Brady if he went to the Browns or some other NFL wasteland?I'm not a NE fanboy and I'm certainly not a hater. I just can't help but respect the high level of quality that this organization has demonstrated for a long time now in the free agency era.

Not only are they competitive season in and season out, they also always seem to have a whack load of draft picks to continually reload year in and year out. Belichik plug-and-plays the players he has into the positions he can and then adapts his scheme around what he has to work with. His team can always beat you in at least a few different ways.

And, when a player costs too much or becomes a distraction, they know when to pull the trigger on getting rid of them. Conversely, they have also rehabilitated a number of players from other teams at bargain-basement costs to acquire.

I'm not saying they have the Midas touch, because they have whiffed on occasion too, but, show me a team that doesn't -- now show me a team with the level of success they've strung together recently (hint: there aren't many).

Outside of 1985, the Patriots were an NFL wasteland like the Browns until Parcells was hired. And even then, they never won a Superbowl until Brady came along. It's fun to speculate what might have been if he had been drafted by another team with a decent front office. How much longer might Mariucci have coached the 49ers if they had drafted Brady instead of a guy like Giovanni Carmazzi or Tim Rattay? I really do think it's possible that Belichick might not be HC of the Pats today if they had never drafted Brady. But we'll never know.

Belichick's team did defeat the 2001 13-3 Steelers, in Pittsburgh, in the AFC Championship game, with Drew Bledsoe at quarterback. It was Bledsoe who hoisted that first Lamar Hunt trophy in the air. Brady was injured. There might not be a tougher place to play than in Pittsburgh for the title. And yet the Patriots got it done without Brady.

Yeah, that, and some good film of the steelers plays...when hines ward says "it was odd how they were jumping our routes all day", that tells me the patriots were getting more info than they were allowed by league rules, which is why they got caught cheating...

 

[PatsFanCT]

Here's something that ain't been said - for all BB's greatness, he is an idiot as well. Something like 24 draft picks on defense over the last 5 years - and that's what he puts on the field? I understand his picks were late but you have to hit on a couple. Plus he consistently trades down - there's no reason to trade down unless you are smarter than everyone else. You trade down cause you can get the player you want later.Woodhead made some nice receptions - but that guy should not be carrying the ball against an opponent of the Giants caliber - wasted downs.Why is Edelman the best choice to play DB in the regular season but not in the SB? Because you can get anyway with it against lesser opponents and look cool doing it. But the reality is he doesn't belong on the field on D.

I don't know which to weigh more heavily -- the fact that he can win with a defensive unit like that or the fact that he built that crappy defense to begin with. It occurred to me more than once this year that, should Brady go down, the Pats would look an awful lot like Indianapolis after Peyton's injury.

Completely untrue.First of all, Belichick would never let his team quit on themselves like Indy did.Second, the Pats have the best 2nd and 3rd string QB's in the league. They will not miss a beat without Brady, as long as BB is there.Third, dumb-asses who think "the Pats can't win without cheating", are, well, dumb-asses.The Giants won, and I give them props, but if Welker catches that pass inside the 20 with under 4 to go, the Pats win that game.

Not if that ridiculous holding call in the first half would have been called correctly...Not if Bradshaw would have keeled at the 1 yard line...Not if Evans would have held onto the ball in the AFC championship game...Not if Billy Cundiff didn't pull a Scott Norwood....... sigh... only if... woulda coulda shoulda..Try turning your anger away from other fans and focusing it on that poorly thrown ball by your Franchise Choker.. erm.. Quarterback..

I didn't say they should have won, and I'm not angry. The point being that the two Super Bowls the Pats have been in since the over-rated "Spygate" indecent, they lost in the last few minutes of the game. They could have just as easily won. That was in response to Tanner and the other numbnuts who say the "Pats haven't won since Spygate" and actually believe that's the reason. Maybe you should stop commenting on user names, and start commenting on the actual content.

 

[PatsFanCT]

I think the Pats organization deserves a lot of credit but at the end of they day, they lucked out with Tom Brady. There would be no Superbowls or any of the other accolades without that guy. Belichick might not even still be the coach.

You think Tom Brady would be *the* Tom Brady if he went to the Browns or some other NFL wasteland?I'm not a NE fanboy and I'm certainly not a hater. I just can't help but respect the high level of quality that this organization has demonstrated for a long time now in the free agency era.

Not only are they competitive season in and season out, they also always seem to have a whack load of draft picks to continually reload year in and year out. Belichik plug-and-plays the players he has into the positions he can and then adapts his scheme around what he has to work with. His team can always beat you in at least a few different ways.

And, when a player costs too much or becomes a distraction, they know when to pull the trigger on getting rid of them. Conversely, they have also rehabilitated a number of players from other teams at bargain-basement costs to acquire.

I'm not saying they have the Midas touch, because they have whiffed on occasion too, but, show me a team that doesn't -- now show me a team with the level of success they've strung together recently (hint: there aren't many).

Outside of 1985, the Patriots were an NFL wasteland like the Browns until Parcells was hired. And even then, they never won a Superbowl until Brady came along. It's fun to speculate what might have been if he had been drafted by another team with a decent front office. How much longer might Mariucci have coached the 49ers if they had drafted Brady instead of a guy like Giovanni Carmazzi or Tim Rattay? I really do think it's possible that Belichick might not be HC of the Pats today if they had never drafted Brady. But we'll never know.

Belichick's team did defeat the 2001 13-3 Steelers, in Pittsburgh, in the AFC Championship game, with Drew Bledsoe at quarterback. It was Bledsoe who hoisted that first Lamar Hunt trophy in the air. Brady was injured. There might not be a tougher place to play than in Pittsburgh for the title. And yet the Patriots got it done without Brady.

Yeah, that, and some good film of the steelers plays...when hines ward says "it was odd how they were jumping our routes all day", that tells me the patriots were getting more info than they were allowed by league rules, which is why they got caught cheating...

Nobody can really be dumb enough to believe this, can they?

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Here's something that ain't been said - for all BB's greatness, he is an idiot as well. Something like 24 draft picks on defense over the last 5 years - and that's what he puts on the field? I understand his picks were late but you have to hit on a couple. Plus he consistently trades down - there's no reason to trade down unless you are smarter than everyone else. You trade down cause you can get the player you want later.Woodhead made some nice receptions - but that guy should not be carrying the ball against an opponent of the Giants caliber - wasted downs.Why is Edelman the best choice to play DB in the regular season but not in the SB? Because you can get anyway with it against lesser opponents and look cool doing it. But the reality is he doesn't belong on the field on D.

I don't know which to weigh more heavily -- the fact that he can win with a defensive unit like that or the fact that he built that crappy defense to begin with. It occurred to me more than once this year that, should Brady go down, the Pats would look an awful lot like Indianapolis after Peyton's injury.

Completely untrue.First of all, Belichick would never let his team quit on themselves like Indy did.Second, the Pats have the best 2nd and 3rd string QB's in the league. They will not miss a beat without Brady, as long as BB is there.Third, dumb-asses who think "the Pats can't win without cheating", are, well, dumb-asses.The Giants won, and I give them props, but if Welker catches that pass inside the 20 with under 4 to go, the Pats win that game.

Not if that ridiculous holding call in the first half would have been called correctly...Not if Bradshaw would have keeled at the 1 yard line...Not if Evans would have held onto the ball in the AFC championship game...Not if Billy Cundiff didn't pull a Scott Norwood....... sigh... only if... woulda coulda shoulda..Try turning your anger away from other fans and focusing it on that poorly thrown ball by your Franchise Choker.. erm.. Quarterback..

I didn't say they should have won, and I'm not angry. The point being that the two Super Bowls the Pats have been in since the over-rated "Spygate" indecent, they lost in the last few minutes of the game. They could have just as easily won. That was in response to Tanner and the other numbnuts who say the "Pats haven't won since Spygate" and actually believe that's the reason. Maybe you should stop commenting on user names, and start commenting on the actual content.

But... Pats haven't won since Spygate..

 

[Carolina Hustler]

I think the Pats organization deserves a lot of credit but at the end of they day, they lucked out with Tom Brady. There would be no Superbowls or any of the other accolades without that guy. Belichick might not even still be the coach.

You think Tom Brady would be *the* Tom Brady if he went to the Browns or some other NFL wasteland?I'm not a NE fanboy and I'm certainly not a hater. I just can't help but respect the high level of quality that this organization has demonstrated for a long time now in the free agency era.

Not only are they competitive season in and season out, they also always seem to have a whack load of draft picks to continually reload year in and year out. Belichik plug-and-plays the players he has into the positions he can and then adapts his scheme around what he has to work with. His team can always beat you in at least a few different ways.

And, when a player costs too much or becomes a distraction, they know when to pull the trigger on getting rid of them. Conversely, they have also rehabilitated a number of players from other teams at bargain-basement costs to acquire.

I'm not saying they have the Midas touch, because they have whiffed on occasion too, but, show me a team that doesn't -- now show me a team with the level of success they've strung together recently (hint: there aren't many).

Outside of 1985, the Patriots were an NFL wasteland like the Browns until Parcells was hired. And even then, they never won a Superbowl until Brady came along. It's fun to speculate what might have been if he had been drafted by another team with a decent front office. How much longer might Mariucci have coached the 49ers if they had drafted Brady instead of a guy like Giovanni Carmazzi or Tim Rattay? I really do think it's possible that Belichick might not be HC of the Pats today if they had never drafted Brady. But we'll never know.

Belichick's team did defeat the 2001 13-3 Steelers, in Pittsburgh, in the AFC Championship game, with Drew Bledsoe at quarterback. It was Bledsoe who hoisted that first Lamar Hunt trophy in the air. Brady was injured. There might not be a tougher place to play than in Pittsburgh for the title. And yet the Patriots got it done without Brady.

Yeah, that, and some good film of the steelers plays...when hines ward says "it was odd how they were jumping our routes all day", that tells me the patriots were getting more info than they were allowed by league rules, which is why they got caught cheating...

Nobody can really be dumb enough to believe this, can they?

Believe what? That the Pats cheated, and that there was an advantage gained?

 

[PatsFanCT]

I think the Pats organization deserves a lot of credit but at the end of they day, they lucked out with Tom Brady. There would be no Superbowls or any of the other accolades without that guy. Belichick might not even still be the coach.

You think Tom Brady would be *the* Tom Brady if he went to the Browns or some other NFL wasteland?I'm not a NE fanboy and I'm certainly not a hater. I just can't help but respect the high level of quality that this organization has demonstrated for a long time now in the free agency era.

Not only are they competitive season in and season out, they also always seem to have a whack load of draft picks to continually reload year in and year out. Belichik plug-and-plays the players he has into the positions he can and then adapts his scheme around what he has to work with. His team can always beat you in at least a few different ways.

And, when a player costs too much or becomes a distraction, they know when to pull the trigger on getting rid of them. Conversely, they have also rehabilitated a number of players from other teams at bargain-basement costs to acquire.

I'm not saying they have the Midas touch, because they have whiffed on occasion too, but, show me a team that doesn't -- now show me a team with the level of success they've strung together recently (hint: there aren't many).

Outside of 1985, the Patriots were an NFL wasteland like the Browns until Parcells was hired. And even then, they never won a Superbowl until Brady came along. It's fun to speculate what might have been if he had been drafted by another team with a decent front office. How much longer might Mariucci have coached the 49ers if they had drafted Brady instead of a guy like Giovanni Carmazzi or Tim Rattay? I really do think it's possible that Belichick might not be HC of the Pats today if they had never drafted Brady. But we'll never know.

Belichick's team did defeat the 2001 13-3 Steelers, in Pittsburgh, in the AFC Championship game, with Drew Bledsoe at quarterback. It was Bledsoe who hoisted that first Lamar Hunt trophy in the air. Brady was injured. There might not be a tougher place to play than in Pittsburgh for the title. And yet the Patriots got it done without Brady.

Yeah, that, and some good film of the steelers plays...when hines ward says "it was odd how they were jumping our routes all day", that tells me the patriots were getting more info than they were allowed by league rules, which is why they got caught cheating...

Nobody can really be dumb enough to believe this, can they?

Believe what? That the Pats cheated, and that there was an advantage gained?

Yes. that's pretty dumb to believe. Especially considering that in 2001 videotaping from the sideline was allowed.

 

[PatsFanCT]

Here's something that ain't been said - for all BB's greatness, he is an idiot as well. Something like 24 draft picks on defense over the last 5 years - and that's what he puts on the field? I understand his picks were late but you have to hit on a couple. Plus he consistently trades down - there's no reason to trade down unless you are smarter than everyone else. You trade down cause you can get the player you want later.Woodhead made some nice receptions - but that guy should not be carrying the ball against an opponent of the Giants caliber - wasted downs.Why is Edelman the best choice to play DB in the regular season but not in the SB? Because you can get anyway with it against lesser opponents and look cool doing it. But the reality is he doesn't belong on the field on D.

I don't know which to weigh more heavily -- the fact that he can win with a defensive unit like that or the fact that he built that crappy defense to begin with. It occurred to me more than once this year that, should Brady go down, the Pats would look an awful lot like Indianapolis after Peyton's injury.

Completely untrue.First of all, Belichick would never let his team quit on themselves like Indy did.Second, the Pats have the best 2nd and 3rd string QB's in the league. They will not miss a beat without Brady, as long as BB is there.Third, dumb-asses who think "the Pats can't win without cheating", are, well, dumb-asses.The Giants won, and I give them props, but if Welker catches that pass inside the 20 with under 4 to go, the Pats win that game.

Not if that ridiculous holding call in the first half would have been called correctly...Not if Bradshaw would have keeled at the 1 yard line...Not if Evans would have held onto the ball in the AFC championship game...Not if Billy Cundiff didn't pull a Scott Norwood....... sigh... only if... woulda coulda shoulda..Try turning your anger away from other fans and focusing it on that poorly thrown ball by your Franchise Choker.. erm.. Quarterback..

I didn't say they should have won, and I'm not angry. The point being that the two Super Bowls the Pats have been in since the over-rated "Spygate" indecent, they lost in the last few minutes of the game. They could have just as easily won. That was in response to Tanner and the other numbnuts who say the "Pats haven't won since Spygate" and actually believe that's the reason. Maybe you should stop commenting on user names, and start commenting on the actual content.

But... Pats haven't won since Spygate..

Neither have the Jets. Coincidence? I think not.

 

[az_prof]

Not bad for a bunch of cheaters.