Founders Black RyeVery good. Jet black, with a strong burnt rye smell. Almost like a very well done, but not really burnt piece of rye toast. A rye beer to be sure, but had hints of stout in there too in terms of what to compare it to. Just flat out a very good beer. Would compare it to a very dry stout, as far as being somewhat thin body and drinkable.Founders Red's RyeNot nearly as good as the Black Rye. Way way too much carbonation. Tried it from the bottle and all I got was bubbles. The pour left way too much foam because of the carbonation, couldn't even finish the pour. Flavor is so-so. Certainly nowhere as good as the Black Rye. No clue how this thing gets such a high rating at BA.