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What player will never be on your FF team again. (1 Viewer)

told myself over the last 5 years or so that I would never take this guy......but he fell to me WAY late this year and at the time was tremendous value......but as soon as his name came out of my mouth at the draft I wanted to punch myself in the nuts.....

Brian Westbrook

 
Heard Jacobs on ESPN radio in NYC this morning state he hurt his knee in first game of season (did not use it as excuse for his subpar season). Now, that does not take his propensity for injury away, but, with this info, does that change any minds?
Doesn't change mine. If the guy was hurt and his resultant play showed it, then he should have been sitting. If it wasn't injury then he was just plain horrible.The guy I won't have is Anquan Boldin. I've drafted him three times - 2004, 2006, and 2009. His TD totals those three years are 1, 4, and 4. The years I don't draft him, his TDs are 8, 7, 9, and 11. He probably doesn't want me to draft him again either.
 
Mr. P. ManningI don't want to risk Indy sitting him if I made the playoffs.
That's a huge leap of faith that Indy will always have everything wrapped up by week 16. You'd be doing yourself a huge disservice staying away from Manning based only on that premise.
 
I never quite understood the 'I'll never draft that guy' mentality.

Now granted, every year I do make up a do not draft before round X list - and almost all of them are off the list before round X. But that's a different criteria. Jacobs will be on that list somewhere next year. But if I'm looking at round 6 next year, its my RB3/4, he's still the starter, etc, you bet I'll take a chance.

One of the keys to VBD (IMO) is taking one or two guys folks are down on. For instance, Driver and Mason were great values this year relative to where you could take them in a redraft. Nobody wants to take Braylon in the first 4-5 rounds next year. But is he worth taking a chance as your WR2/3 in the 7th or 8th? If he's on your 'I'll never draft that guy' list, you'll never know. But if he gets half his career high in TDs, we're talking about hitting paydirt 8 times with a middle round pick.

Never say never.

 
I never quite understood the 'I'll never draft that guy' mentality.Now granted, every year I do make up a do not draft before round X list - and almost all of them are off the list before round X. But that's a different criteria. Jacobs will be on that list somewhere next year. But if I'm looking at round 6 next year, its my RB3/4, he's still the starter, etc, you bet I'll take a chance.One of the keys to VBD (IMO) is taking one or two guys folks are down on. For instance, Driver and Mason were great values this year relative to where you could take them in a redraft. Nobody wants to take Braylon in the first 4-5 rounds next year. But is he worth taking a chance as your WR2/3 in the 7th or 8th? If he's on your 'I'll never draft that guy' list, you'll never know. But if he gets half his career high in TDs, we're talking about hitting paydirt 8 times with a middle round pick.Never say never.
They mean that you are sufficiently negative about the guy that there is no way that they are going to be around by the time you would be willing to draft them. This year, for me, this was Slaton and Forte. Would I have taken them in the 3rd or 4th round? Sure. Are there any leagues where these guys were still around in the 3rd? No. So it makes sense to say "I will never draft those guys."
 
I never quite understood the 'I'll never draft that guy' mentality.Now granted, every year I do make up a do not draft before round X list - and almost all of them are off the list before round X. But that's a different criteria. Jacobs will be on that list somewhere next year. But if I'm looking at round 6 next year, its my RB3/4, he's still the starter, etc, you bet I'll take a chance.One of the keys to VBD (IMO) is taking one or two guys folks are down on. For instance, Driver and Mason were great values this year relative to where you could take them in a redraft. Nobody wants to take Braylon in the first 4-5 rounds next year. But is he worth taking a chance as your WR2/3 in the 7th or 8th? If he's on your 'I'll never draft that guy' list, you'll never know. But if he gets half his career high in TDs, we're talking about hitting paydirt 8 times with a middle round pick.Never say never.
:ptts: The only reason a player is never on any of my gazillion fantasy league is an opportunity and/or cost situation.I know some people think (not so much in this thread) that having a morally bankrupt player or personality jerk on thier team is somehow reflective of the FF owner. Since I don't really know any of these guys persoanlly, as NFL players they are just names and stats.
 
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Mr. P. ManningI don't want to risk Indy sitting him if I made the playoffs.
That's a huge leap of faith that Indy will always have everything wrapped up by week 16. You'd be doing yourself a huge disservice staying away from Manning based only on that premise.
Isn't this the 3rd or 4th year in a row they pulled their starters early? Maybe I am mistaken
 
Brandon Jacobs. Knee injury of not, he was starting earlier in the year while Cedric Benson was racking up fantasy points on my bench.

That pisses me off big time. It took me too long to believe in Benson before finally pulling the plug on Jacobs.

 
Jason Wood said:
Chris Johnson. Because try as I might, I never seem to get the 1st pick in any league. Ever. :goodposting:
Considering the volume of touches he got this year, I don't think you want him next year. It isn't often a RB gets that many touches and is very productive the next year.
Where's the data to support this?
Johnson only had 358 carries, 408 touches. He seems safe by any of the "too many" theories. (And the how many carries or how many touches are too many debate is a constant one. )
 
They mean that you are sufficiently negative about the guy that there is no way that they are going to be around by the time you would be willing to draft them. ...
That is most of the draftable players.
No it isn't. You end up drafting guys you weren't targeting all the time because people slip a round or two and all of a sudden they are decent value. The "I'm never going to draft this guy" comment is referring to people who you are multiple rounds more negative on than their expected ADP. You are not multiple rounds negative on most of the draftable players.
 
Moss and Witten for sure.

Moss because he basically got me knocked out of the playoffs in my league with his 'effort'. I plan to hold a grudge.

If Witten fell in a draft, I guess I'd have to consider him, but given where I drafted him, he let me down pretty badly.....still valuable in a PPR league, but 2 TDs on the year (and almost no red zone targets) just isn't going to cut it. I'll let someone else deal with that garbage.

 
Jason Wood said:
Chris Johnson. Because try as I might, I never seem to get the 1st pick in any league. Ever. :goodposting:
Considering the volume of touches he got this year, I don't think you want him next year. It isn't often a RB gets that many touches and is very productive the next year.
Where's the data to support this?
Johnson only had 358 carries, 408 touches. He seems safe by any of the "too many" theories. (And the how many carries or how many touches are too many debate is a constant one. )
except for the fact that so many of them happened in the last half to a quarter of the season.
 
Any Raider. Havent had one on my roster in 6 yrs and I'm all the better for it. One day they'll have value again, and I'll draft one, but that day hasnt come yet and may not for years. When one of my opponents drafts a Raider I nod and say good pick, but I think "that set his team back at least one round".

The other is Santana Moss, I always get up and buy a drink for this unlucky fella as he has found pure fantasy hell. I know cause I got him a few years ago on the advice of a brand new LHucks who came to our board and sold him with all the fervor of Dodds and Garrard. It was quite convincing actually and I bought in all the way. Ruined my draft as I thought I was set at that position and it provided a fatal flaw to an otherwise good team. Cost me 4 grand but taught me to always trust myself and my own eyes. I've never been talked into a player that didnt pass the eyeball test since then. So it was a good lesson. When I make out my draft sheet I sometimes catch myself muttering Santana Moss when I move a guy to the bottom of a tier, or out of it altogether. Some lessons are pure gold.

 
Any Raider. Havent had one on my roster in 6 yrs and I'm all the better for it. One day they'll have value again, and I'll draft one, but that day hasnt come yet and may not for years. When one of my opponents drafts a Raider I nod and say good pick, but I think "that set his team back at least one round".
Zach Miller is not a bad option. He might not be consistent, but he receives 40+ yards pretty often and even grabs a touchdown here and there.
 
Greg Jennings
Yeah, I drafted Jennings in 2 leagues, he burned me, at least I was able to trade him in one league. I will have a hard time drafting him next year, I think he will go earlier than I'm willing to draft him. Once Driver hangs up his cleats, I may consider Jennings again.
 
I get physically ill when I hear the words "Brandon Jacobs"
Yeah I figured that out last year even though he had a good year and I had him on my team. Dude pulls himself from games with minor injuries.I called him soft last year and was chastized for it but this year validated everything I was saying about him at the end of last year. I am so glad I avoided him. I think the Giants may a huge mistake giving him the guaranteed money they gave him in the last offseason and I said it at the time. They should have just franchised him(which they did anyways) and let him play for his contract year after year.
 
Jay Cutler finished as QB10 in my league and QB11 according to Footballguys scoring. Where did you all draft him that you are this disappointed in those stats? He also won a few leagues with his performances during weeks 16 and 17. Did you expect him to put up QB4 stats again this year, playing for Chicago with all newbie receivers?

http://subscribers.footballguys.com/2009/09ytdstats17.php
QB11 with 6 pt. TDs, yeahHe had eight games of 0 to 15 points though, that's really bad. Another with 18.

Four good games in a row (Wk 2 thru 6 incl. bye) at 21 to 27 points

Three great 30+ point games but two were in Wk 16 and 17, useless to many owners

You probably didn't have a fun season with this guy in your lineup.

 
Wow, no mention of Clinton Portis yet?
You know I had Clinton Portis this year and even though he was horrid and I dumped him pretty early on I will say that I could envision taking him with a late pick next year.Why? Because I think he was dealing with the after effects of being overused last year and then he just quit on Zorn this year. He hated Zorn with a passion and I don't think he ever gave a full effort this year.I honestly believe his concussion wasn't as bad as he let on but he just had no desire to play under Zorn anymore and wanted a fresh start next year.Shanahan coming to Washington? Will Dennison follow? Obviously he as a great history with running backs. Will they draft a RB? Probably somewhere but Portis may still have a little left in the tank and thanks to his guaranteed money for next year he will be back guaranteed. The time he had off this year may actually bode well for him.
 
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Carson Palmer

Went QBBC this year drafting Palmer and M.Ryan late after landing both MJD and D.Williams in a redraft league when others went stud QB early. Then gave up a few mid-season games giving up starters but trading for injured/WW talent including A.Boldin, Megatron, Welker, J.Charles and R.White.

Ended up 2nd highest pts for year and needed just 1 of 2 games in wks 11 and 12. Lost both by a combined 9 points.

Palmer had absolute golden matchups both weeks against CLE and DET. Combined stats..

30-53-330, 2 TD, 2 INT, 5 Sacks, 1 FL.

Went from 3rd to 7th and out of the playoffs.

Many would argue it was a run-heavy CIN offense, WR drops, blah blah blah. I watched both games. Palmer's decision-making was atrocious and he just looked disinterested.

Next year will be worse when PIT and BAL bounce back.

 
Brandon Jacobs for me as well. Major, major disappointment.

I'm also done with Donald Driver. It seems like he falls to me every year, and his year-end numbers are always decent but week-to-week, just too inconsistent, and he gave me almost zilch in the last month or so of the season.

 
shredhead said:
Beefeaters said:
Greg Jennings
Yeah, I drafted Jennings in 2 leagues, he burned me, at least I was able to trade him in one league. I will have a hard time drafting him next year, I think he will go earlier than I'm willing to draft him. Once Driver hangs up his cleats, I may consider Jennings again.
Given where I expect Jennings to go -- because lots of people seem to feel this way -- he's going to be a great value pick next year.
 
Moss and Witten for sure.Moss because he basically got me knocked out of the playoffs in my league with his 'effort'. I plan to hold a grudge.If Witten fell in a draft, I guess I'd have to consider him, but given where I drafted him, he let me down pretty badly.....still valuable in a PPR league, but 2 TDs on the year (and almost no red zone targets) just isn't going to cut it. I'll let someone else deal with that garbage.
What did he have, 90 plus receptions and over 1000 yards as a TE? LOL and that's garbage? If you play this hobby long enough, you'll realize that Td's can fluctuate up and down. But if you're a TE and you're catching nearly 95 passes and are up over 1000 yards, there's a pretty good chance that his TE total will be up. Look at what he did several years back when he had solid yardage and only 1 Td? What happened after that?
 

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