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Kraft and BB are going to pop the champagne and say "can you believe we got away with this!!!!"
Him and Belicheat are snickering in his office as I type... 
I'd agree with something like this.No, he doesn't need to inflict any further penalties on his headcoach. The league has done that. He'll have a conversation with his coach, probably telling him that we can't afford to get caught doing this again, so let's not do it again. I'm sure he'll even ask Coach Bellichick just how much of an advantage that he thought it gave his team during games.If I was the owner, I'd ask that of my coach.
I can't believe I'm saying this, but this is an interesting issue. Can the Pats trade those picks now as they have not been forfeitted yet. Another team could offer them a last round pick for the Pats first and it's win-win for both teams. Right?
I would assume those picks are not tradable until it has been established which one(s) will be taken away as punishment. In other words, the Pats cannot avoid the punishment, by trading the draft pick(s).
I was joking about that by the way. The pats do have 2 first rounders in 08 and 2 third rounders also...Ghost Rider said:
I'm aware you were joking, but it did bring up an interesting point. So you were accidentally relevant. :IBTL:I was joking about that by the way. The pats do have 2 first rounders in 08 and 2 third rounders also...Ghost Rider said:
Come on bro, to say they did nothing wrong is silly. You can argue that you think having the rule is ridiculous for various reasons but if the rule is in place and they go against it, they did something wrong.Then for the owner if he chooses to act like they didn't, to me is even worse and in the end will make them look bad.For me, I've never really liked or disliked the Patriots. It's certainly hard not to respect what they've accomplished. However, if he chooses to go that route, that's how you get people to NOT like your organization if you're not a serious fan of theres.I'm sure he could care less what I think, but that's my opinion on it. I'd just like him to step up and take their punishment like a man. My bad, we got caught...we're still gonna roll you. That's what I want to see, not this game of I didn't do anything wrong when they did. I'm not even sure I like the rule, but it is in there.
I should have put the sarcasm sign up....I was mocking Kraft's initial pompous comment. Now that he looks like an idiot for making the statement, he'll hide his head in the sand waiting for it to blow over....
Dunno what he should do. What he will do is give Belichick a $900,000 raise to cover the fine as they likely win another SB title. They got away with one here. It's good to be King.Ghost Rider said:
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"We traded away our 2008 first round picks since they were essentially worthless to our organization. Our interpretation of our punishment led us to believe this was something we could do."I'm aware you were joking, but it did bring up an interesting point. So you were accidentally relevant.I was joking about that by the way. The pats do have 2 first rounders in 08 and 2 third rounders also...Ghost Rider said:
Yes, and 32 teams around the league likely violated the "spirit" of "long-standing rules" for YEARS through varying degrees of systematic programs to steal signals. BB is "first among thieves" in this regard. Where was the righteous indignation before camera-gate? This is a manufactured crisis of morality, and a demonstration of invevitable friction associated with handing over the reigns of adminstration of the NFL, complete with political intrigue and hypocritical color commentary from the den of thieves.Dunno what he should do. What he will do is give Belichick a $900,000 raise to cover the fine as they likely win another SB title. They got away with one here. It's good to be King.Ghost Rider said:
Yeah, almost amillion bucks in fines and a 1st round choice for doing nothing wrong. Hate to see what they do to a coach that actually DOES something wrong. 
Really? Seems more like a team caught cheating that is very unpopular outside of New England because they've been beating pretty much everyone for the last several years.Yes, and 32 teams around the league likely violated the "spirit" of "long-standing rules" for YEARS through varying degrees of systematic programs to steal signals. BB is "first among thieves" in this regard. Where was the righteous indignation before camera-gate? This is a manufactured crisis of morality, and a demonstration of invevitable friction associated with handing over the reigns of adminstration of the NFL, complete with political intrigue and hypocritical color commentary from the den of thieves.Dunno what he should do. What he will do is give Belichick a $900,000 raise to cover the fine as they likely win another SB title. They got away with one here. It's good to be King.Ghost Rider said:J
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For the people that claim he was doing nothing wrong, don't go off on some tanget and straight forward answer this question...Why would they do it at all if it didn't give them some sort of advantage ?
I don't disagree with you. My point is that the notion of tarnishing the accomplishments of the last 6 years implies that everyone knew that the pats were running roffshod on the rules for years on a singular basis, and yet miraculously some obtuse "code of silence" prevented anyone from coming forward against this "bully" until now. The very notion that this business, with so much money on the line, would allow systematic manipulation of results by lack of action against one bad actor is a FARCE. What is happening is a sea change in how league administration is going to protect its brand, and BB, as "first among thieves" is the logical bad actor to take down, but this is not to say that systematic sign stealing hasn't been a reality across this league in the Tagliabu and prior eras.Really? Seems more like a team caught cheating that is very unpopular outside of New England because they've been beating pretty much everyone for the last several years.Yes, and 32 teams around the league likely violated the "spirit" of "long-standing rules" for YEARS through varying degrees of systematic programs to steal signals. BB is "first among thieves" in this regard. Where was the righteous indignation before camera-gate? This is a manufactured crisis of morality, and a demonstration of invevitable friction associated with handing over the reigns of adminstration of the NFL, complete with political intrigue and hypocritical color commentary from the den of thieves.Dunno what he should do. What he will do is give Belichick a $900,000 raise to cover the fine as they likely win another SB title. They got away with one here. It's good to be King.Ghost Rider said:J
For the people that claim he was doing nothing wrong, don't go off on some tanget and straight forward answer this question...Why would they do it at all if it didn't give them some sort of advantage ?
(first time I've ever agreed with you 
)It's not like the NFL just handed out this penalty on speculation. They had hard evidence the Pats were doing something wrong and the repercussions for the league by itself should have led to a much stiffer penalty for Belichick. That said speculating that other teams cheat as a defense to this is inconclusive because no one else has been caught. Are there any other active investigations we know of? Not that I know of. I'm also sick of the stance in here that everyone hates the Patriots and all of the responses are just shtick. Well they aren't, fans from NFC teams who get the Patriots once every four years are a little taken aback about all this also. If you (you being a Patriots fan or some sort of advocate for their situation) want to argue the situation please offer substantial and tangible evidence that shows us the Patriots didn't cheat for every single game Belichick has been in charge. Not saying they have, but to some of us logical football folk you are gonna have a hard time selling to me that New England hasn't done this all along. Until I hear otherwise, I'll assume they have. One more thing, Belichick for all his perceived brilliance is an absolute idiot to spy on a guy that was his former #2. What is he insane? Not only was he cheating he tried to do it to a guy that was so wrapped up in the Patriots organization he #### Tom Brady autographs. Just dumb. Also Mangini must be laughing his collective tush off at this point and rightfully so.
For the people that claim he was doing nothing wrong, don't go off on some tanget and straight forward answer this question...Why would they do it at all if it didn't give them some sort of advantage ?:( Yeah, almost amillion bucks in fines and a 1st round choice for doing nothing wrong. Hate to see what they do to a coach that actually DOES something wrong.
So he has a tush collection to go with his Brady autograph collection?
Why wouldn't he?
I can think of reasons - gender, firmness, quality, quantity, funkiness, funKAYness, etc. I guess NewYorkers just swing differently.
I'll buy that.
Wrong Kraft.Maybe you know that and were just joking, but I've met plenty of people who really think Bob Kraft is the Kraft foods guy.
I knew nobody would answer thisFor the people that claim he was doing nothing wrong, don't go off on some tanget and straight forward answer this question...Why would they do it at all if it didn't give them some sort of advantage ?
38 - 14, after removing the one excuse he might have had for being on the receiving end of such a shellacking, and staring at facing the Ravens D with a second-string QB. I'm guessing he's not all that jovial right about now.
Buy your own damn Velveeta and make it cheesier yourself. Damn, everything is the Pats' fault these days.Sure, but he could at least infiltrate and make it happen DAMMIT!
(throwing Velveeta in the pot) (mix it up)
(open wide)
(damn, that was good) (napkin will be yellow from cheese)
(so will teeth)
By similar logic as your first point, one cannot conclude that he patriots did anything wrong "in the past" since they were "caught" with a Week 1 2007 rules infraction. Everything else is heresay (as is the heresay against other teams, and yet you seem to have no problem believing the former, and insurmountable problems believing the latter).Your second point appears to be that the Patriots are guilty until proven innocent of every allegation that anyone wants to dream up, because it was ruled that BB was guilty of a Week 1 2007 rules infraction.To your third point above, I say EXACTLY. Why would BB be so blatent? The OBVIOUS answer is that the Patriots and other teams had the league's IMPLICIT approval for such actions under the previous league administration. The only alternative answer would require you to believe that BB lives in a fantasy world and for reasons unknown to you, me or any other rational human being his singular rogue, insane behavior was tolerated until now. Nonsense.
It's almost like the league put a lien on them.
