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What would it take for u to trade (1 Viewer)
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Gandalf
Footballguy
As a Calvin Johnson owner in my dynasty league, it would take a HUGE offer to get me to trade him. Any deal would have to involve a top RB. It probably depends on what the owner needs, but I would imagine that any owner will demand a lot for him. That means you'll probably have to overpay to get him unless the owner has a plethora of stud WRs and poor RBs/QBs.
Burning Sensation
Footballguy
I would trade him straight up for AD or MJD, other than that i would want AJ, Fitz, Chris Johnson or Forte included in a deal for him.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Maybe in a 2 points per reception league.
Touchdown Syndrome
Footballguy
As a Calvin owner, this sounds about right. With his potential, it would have to be an overpaying,no-brainer type offer for me to deal him. 1300 rec. yards and a dozen touchdowns...in his 2nd year...on an 0-16 garbage team....with Jerry's Kids throwing him the ball. Unreal.
Touchdown Syndrome
Footballguy
Unless you really like your chances of getting a blue-chip stud w/that 1st rounder, I'd make that deal. Calvin Johnson is a beast for years to come.
That's not bad.
I was talking about this with my brother recently and I really can't see myself trading Calvin for anyone in the league. The pure joy I get in watching him play every week, even on the lowly Lions, is enough for me to want to keep him on my keeper league squad for as long as he plays. It would take A LOT.
Your first offer was total garbage. The counterproposal is fair.
jwb
Footballguy
Do it.
I would have already hit accept.
duece2626
Footballguy
I called him last night to talk it over but there was no answer. We'll see if he gets back to me.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Don't get fancy with trying to get throw-ins or something. Just take it now.
AnonymousBob
Footballguy
yellowdog
Footballguy
Just do it.
ADP
Footballguy
I know people are in love with Calvin Johnson...but Larry Fitzgerald is the best WR in the game right now and #1 in my mind for dynasty. You should have took that deal.
Burning Sensation
Footballguy
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
By the same token, people are in love with Fitz even moreso than usual right now because of his huge playoff run.Fitz just put up 1400/12 in his 5th year with a great quarterback.CJ2 just put up 1300/12 in his 2nd year with a revolving door of awful quarterbacks.What happens to Fitz when Warner retires? What happens to Calvin if he ever gets a good QB? Even in a best-case scenario for Fitz and a worst case scenario for Calvin the difference is only 100 yards. If those scenarios get flipped in the next few years the difference could be much bigger.
ADP
Footballguy
Has nothing to do with current game. I know he is going off currently against Philly...but regardless of this game I had him #1 in dyntasy as I am sure many people do. I don't see how anybody could justify having Calvin higher than Fitz right now. They are both beasts but Fitz has proven more and is in better situation. Fitz is only 25 years old too so its not like a big age difference. Seriously, I would like to know why people rank Calvin higher.Wonder why you are saying this now?
Burning Sensation
Footballguy
I have a hard time believing that, since you posted this 45 seconds after his 3rd TD. Im not arguing one over the other, throw in AJ, and i would gladly take any one of the 3 as my #1 dynasty WR.Has nothing to do with current game. I know he is going off currently against Philly...but regardless of this game I had him #1 in dyntasy as I am sure many people do. I don't see how anybody could justify having Calvin higher than Fitz right now. They are both beasts but Fitz has proven more and is in better situation. Fitz is only 25 years old too so its not like a big age difference. Seriously, I would like to know why people rank Calvin higher.Wonder why you are saying this now?
ADP
Footballguy
You also have to take into consideration the Boldin factor. What happens when Boldin leaves and Fitz is unquestioned go to guy? Fitx put up those numbers while Boldin was putting up his own numbers right next to him. Calvin was "the" guy in Detroit. There was nobody there to take stats away from him.
ADP
Footballguy
You don't have to believe me.....I have Fitz in 2 of my leagues and would never trade him straight up for Calvin. FBG has had him ranked #1 all year too in dyansty. Just impecable timing that it was posted at same time but who cares. Does that really make a difference. I agree, it doesn't really matter as they are both top 5 dynasty WRs.....arguing 1 versus 5 is probably not worth it.I have a hard time believing that, since you posted this 45 seconds after his 3rd TD. Im not arguing one over the other, throw in AJ, and i would gladly take any one of the 3 as my #1 dynasty WR.Has nothing to do with current game. I know he is going off currently against Philly...but regardless of this game I had him #1 in dyntasy as I am sure many people do. I don't see how anybody could justify having Calvin higher than Fitz right now. They are both beasts but Fitz has proven more and is in better situation. Fitz is only 25 years old too so its not like a big age difference. Seriously, I would like to know why people rank Calvin higher.
That said, If I was offered Fitz for Calvin, I would take it. (depending on if it was salary league or not of course)
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gianmarco
Footballguy
This isn't Fitz's 1st year with those stats. It's only his 2nd year with Warner. 6 of one and a half a dozen of the other.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
True, but the jury is still out on whether or not being the only guy is always a good thing. This argument crops up every year, you get more targets but you get more attention from the defense as well. Sometimes it works out better, sometimes worse, and sometimes it's a wash.Besides, I don't think that's as big a factor here. Arizona threw for almost 5000 yards this year and threw 600 pass attempts. There were plenty of passes to go around. Even with a good 2nd receiver, I believe Fitz still had more targets this year than Calvin, and he still had far less double teams with Boldin on the other side.I think 600 attempts from Warner with Boldin still getting some of them is a far better scenario than 450 attempts from Leinart with Breaston getting the #2 looks.
ADP
Footballguy
Fitz had 154 TargetsCJ had 151 Targets
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Fitzgerald's career numbers:2008: 1431yds, 12 TDs
2007: 1406yds, 10 TDs
2006: 950yds, 6 TDs
2005: 1409yds, 10 TDs
2004: 780yds 8 TDs
Warner started all 16 games in 2007 and 2008, and 10 games in 2005. As a matter of fact, it was not only his 2nd year with Warner, and all three of his good seasons came with Warner at QB. Leinart started 12 games in 2006 and that year Fitz went for 950/6 (I realize he was dinged up that year as well).
Regardless, it was meant more to point out that they put up equivalent numbers this year with Fitz playing in a best case scenario as far as QBs go and Calvin playing in a worst case scenario. I think that leaves much more upside for Calvin, with their floors and expected numbers being relatively similar.
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ADP
Footballguy
I would say yes....yes you are.
Garts
Footballguy
Me too
Well after reading what some thought he was worth, I got my deal accepted......I traded.......Boldin, Housh, Santana, and Felix JonesforCalvin and 2010 1st round rookie pickSome may say I overpaid, some may not but I got him.
I own Calvin and Fitz in my 24 team league and I would take that offer in the end. But of course depth is hard to come by in 24 team league.
lyon812
Footballguy
There's a continuing misperception that Fitz didn't excel with subpar quarterbacking. I'll cut and paste my earlier numbers.FreeBaGeL said:
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Games Receps Yards TDFitzgerald career 76 426 5975 46Career Average 5.6 78.6 Numbers under Leinart 14 81 1114 5Average under Leinart 5.8 79.6 Career Stats w/o Leinart 62 345 4861 41Career Average w/o Leinart 5.6 78.4
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Firstly, that career average shows him with roughly half as many TDs per game with Leinart (0.35) as without him (0.66). You coincidentally left that part out of the career averages.Secondly, your stats with Leinart are incorrect. Leinart started 14 games, but in 3 of them Leinart was replaced by Warner during the game and Fitzgerald went on to make quite a few catches with Warner throwing him the ball (catches that you're counting as being with Leinart).Thirdly, that's all moot anyway since as is generally the case when people post these kind of stats, you're forming an opinion and twisting your study to back that opinion, rather than having a study and forming your opinion based on that. Your study conveniently credits 16 games towards Fitz's numbers without Leinart from Fitz's rookie year where Josh McCown was at the helm. I think everyone around here knows that rookie WRs aren't expected to perform well and McCown isn't exactly a good QB, and I don't think anyone is basing their perception of Fitz off of that year.I could just as easily give his numbers with Warner vs. without Warner (which is closer to what I was implying anyway since I don't think Leinart is good enough to be a starting NFL QB for any sustained period of time), which gives us:
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Fitzgerald career per game averages with Warner: 6.6 rec, 91 yards, 0.71 TDsFitzgerald career per game averages w/out Warner: 4.6 rec, 63 yards, 0.47 TDsProrated over a 16 game season with Warner: 106 rec, 1457 yards, 11 TDsProrated over a 16 game season w/out Warner: 75 rec, 1011 yards, 7 TDs
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Fitzgerald career per game averages with Warner: 6.6 rec, 91 yards, 0.71 TDsFitzgerald career per game averages with Leinart: 5.6 rec, 79 yards, 0.35 TDsProrated over a 16 game season with Warner: 106 rec, 1457 yards, 11.4 TDsProrated over a 16 game season with Leinart: 89 rec, 1250 yards, 5.6 TDs
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Well, to be fair he said it's a TD only league and neither Housh nor Royal are big TD scorers.
Gandalf
Footballguy
Me too! My team is in the signature below, but I have both CJ and Fitz and both will be fixtures on my roster for years.
thatguy
Footballguy
The Fitz/Calvin argument will probably be going on for many years to come, similar to the Peyton/Brady debates of year's past.
I think that those who own Fitz will naturally prefer Fitz and the same will go for Calvin owners. I own Fitz in my dynasty league that's going on it's 4th year. I drafted him in the second round in our initial startup draft and would probably only trade him for MJD, since I already own ADP. I would not trade him for Calvin. That being said, if I owned Calvin but not Fitz, I'm not sure I could bring myself to trade him for Fitz.
Bottom line is they're both great, and a case can be made for either one as the top dynasty WR in FF.
I think that those who own Fitz will naturally prefer Fitz and the same will go for Calvin owners. I own Fitz in my dynasty league that's going on it's 4th year. I drafted him in the second round in our initial startup draft and would probably only trade him for MJD, since I already own ADP. I would not trade him for Calvin. That being said, if I owned Calvin but not Fitz, I'm not sure I could bring myself to trade him for Fitz.
Bottom line is they're both great, and a case can be made for either one as the top dynasty WR in FF.
Touchdown Syndrome
Footballguy
I was thinking the same thing. I'm a Calvin owner, and I probably would not trade him straight-up for Fitz (although I'd think about it for a while). However, if I were a Fitz owner, I'd likely keep him over any other WR. An Andre Johnson owner might also say the same thing. Kind of like the "bird in hand is worth more than 2 in the bush" mentality, I guess.
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