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What's going to happen in Indy? (1 Viewer)
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Brutis
Footballguy
I can see Marvin retiring, not sure why Dungy would?
switz
Footballguy
Because he wants to spend more time with his family. His son just enrolled in a school in Florida. His other son committed suicide.
3nOut
Footballguy
Aren't the Dolphins hiring?
Also, I think next year, IF Harrison retires, then A. Gonzolez's value goes up and Clarks will go back down (career year and will block more again).BelichicksRevenge
Footballguy
My sources tell me harrison will be back and Dungy is undecided.
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
What sources?
BelichicksRevenge
Footballguy
inner voices
Fallerjw
Footballguy
I don't know, but I'll be there Sunday. Go Chargers!
switz
Footballguy
If you are asking me, it is someone who played at Syracuse with Harrison.Basically, Harrison wanted to go out at the top after the SB last year, but Dungy talked him into coming back, saying that with the Colts Harrison could win a couple more SBs and still retire on top, and vice versa - with Harrison the Colts could win a couple more.However, Dungy has "supposedly" already told the team this was his last year, and that's part of the reason Harrison was unwilling to play after the minor injury, because he felt betrayed. And now that Dungy is intent on retiring after the season, Harrison is definitely gone.Dungy supposedly is using his retirement as motivation to drive the team through the playoffs.If you were asking the other guy, he already answered.
I say you need new sources, since your current ones are selling you some bad stuff...Everyone wants to predict stuff like this, but it is usually a waste of time and energy (see "Brett Favre discussion of the past 3+ years").
identikit
Footballguy
switz
Footballguy
: shrug : OK
Why? What part of its is illogical? Why isnt it believable?I hope its wrong as I'd like to see them both back, but it makes sense that Harrison could feel betrayed if he was talked into coming back by Dungy who is now retiring. Why do you think it doesnt make sense?
Baby New Year
Footballguy
Probably a lot of crying in about another week.
identikit
Footballguy
Ok here's 2 things:So Harrison feels betrayed, and is going to penalize the Colts/Dungy by not playing (after a minor injury) when he otherwise would be playing?
That sounds exactly like the ultimate professional Marvin has been his entire career
'Dungy has told his team that this was his last year'
So far this year, there's been the usual talk of Dungy retiring (as it was last year), but he told his team this year was his 'last year' because he needs to 'motivate' his team?
Dungy certainly may retire after this season, but it is completely out of character for him to try to use that to motivate. He's no saint, but he's also no manipulator of that ilk. Nor would I think it work (as his retiring has been rumored for years). No shock value in it anymore.
Besides, does anyone think players like Manning, Sanders, Clark, and Wayne needs something like that to make their best effort to repeat?
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purestrength
Footballguy
I particularly agree with the last poster. Getting the chance to kick New England's ### in one more week is all the motivation the defending world champions need to play their hardest against San Diego.identikit said:Ok here's 2 things:So Harrison feels betrayed, and is going to penalize the Colts/Dungy by not playing (after a minor injury) when he otherwise would be playing?Blueb said:
That sounds exactly like the ultimate professional Marvin has been his entire career
'Dungy has told his team that this was his last year'
So far this year, there's been the usual talk of Dungy retiring (as it was last year), but he told his team this year was his 'last year' because he needs to 'motivate' his team?
Dungy certainly may retire after this season, but it is completely out of character for him to try to use that to motivate. He's no saint, but he's also no manipulator of that ilk. Nor would I think it work (as his retiring has been rumored for years). No shock value in it anymore.
Besides, does anyone think players like Manning, Sanders, Clark, and Wayne needs something like that to make their best effort to repeat?
Just my
Id
Colts offer Dungy perks to stay
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Sources: Colts meet with Dungy, offer flexibility
By Chris Mortensen
ESPN.com
(Archive)
Updated: January 12, 2008, 12:41 PM ET
Indianapolis Colts coach Tony Dungy met Friday with owner Jim Irsay in the most recent of ongoing discussions about Dungy's future, according to team sources.
Irsay is offering Dungy "tremendous options" and "flexibility" to enable the coach to return for the 2008 season, even though Dungy's children have transferred from their Indianapolis schools to Tampa schools in the past week, sources said.
Dungy reiterated to Irsay that he will make a decision when the playoff run is over but first will take several days to recover from the season. Thursday, Dungy acknowledged he would talk with his wife and Indianapolis officials about the future when the Colts' season ends.
If Dungy does retire, assistant head coach Jim Caldwell, who is also Peyton Manning's quarterback coach, is the clear-cut choice to succeed Dungy, sources said. Caldwell is a candidate for head-coach openings with the Atlanta Falcons and Baltimore Ravens.
Irsay wants Dungy to usher the team into the franchise's new Lucas Oil Stadium for the 2008 season. As part of the ongoing discussions, the owner and general manager Bill Polian have presented several options to their coach, including an allowance for Dungy to spend three or four months away in the offseason.
Dungy appreciates that offseason option but is unlikely to accept it, though sources say Irsay also is willing to allow Dungy use of his private jet to take the coach back and forth to Tampa to enjoy specific family events, such as his son Eric's high school football games on Friday nights.
The decision by Dungy and his wife, Lauren, to enroll their school-age children in Tampa schools is complicated and not necessarily related to Dungy's immediate coaching future, sources said. Dungy spent almost his first two years in Indianapolis while his family resided in Tampa and he and his wife believe it can work again if he chooses to continue his coaching career.
Dungy is focused on the team's Sunday game against the San Diego Chargers and a run at a second consecutive Super Bowl title. He has been a head coach for 12 seasons with stints in Tampa Bay and Indianapolis.
The 52-year-old Dungy signed a three-year contract extension in September 2005, a deal intended to keep him with the Colts through 2009.
Dungy has said in the past he never intended to be a "lifer" in football and that he initially planned to retire by the time he was 50. But when he announced his return as Colts coach in February, Dungy said he still had the passion to keep coaching.
Dungy is 127-65 in 12 seasons as a head coach, finishing his six-year career in Tampa Bay as the franchise's winningest coach. He is the only Colts coach to get double-digit victory totals and earn playoff berths in six straight seasons. He led the Buccaneers to the NFC Championship Game in 1999 and has been to the AFC Championship Game twice with the Colts, following the 2003 and 2006 seasons.
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Sources: Colts meet with Dungy, offer flexibility
By Chris Mortensen
ESPN.com
(Archive)
Updated: January 12, 2008, 12:41 PM ET
Indianapolis Colts coach Tony Dungy met Friday with owner Jim Irsay in the most recent of ongoing discussions about Dungy's future, according to team sources.
Irsay is offering Dungy "tremendous options" and "flexibility" to enable the coach to return for the 2008 season, even though Dungy's children have transferred from their Indianapolis schools to Tampa schools in the past week, sources said.
Dungy reiterated to Irsay that he will make a decision when the playoff run is over but first will take several days to recover from the season. Thursday, Dungy acknowledged he would talk with his wife and Indianapolis officials about the future when the Colts' season ends.
If Dungy does retire, assistant head coach Jim Caldwell, who is also Peyton Manning's quarterback coach, is the clear-cut choice to succeed Dungy, sources said. Caldwell is a candidate for head-coach openings with the Atlanta Falcons and Baltimore Ravens.
Irsay wants Dungy to usher the team into the franchise's new Lucas Oil Stadium for the 2008 season. As part of the ongoing discussions, the owner and general manager Bill Polian have presented several options to their coach, including an allowance for Dungy to spend three or four months away in the offseason.
Dungy appreciates that offseason option but is unlikely to accept it, though sources say Irsay also is willing to allow Dungy use of his private jet to take the coach back and forth to Tampa to enjoy specific family events, such as his son Eric's high school football games on Friday nights.
The decision by Dungy and his wife, Lauren, to enroll their school-age children in Tampa schools is complicated and not necessarily related to Dungy's immediate coaching future, sources said. Dungy spent almost his first two years in Indianapolis while his family resided in Tampa and he and his wife believe it can work again if he chooses to continue his coaching career.
Dungy is focused on the team's Sunday game against the San Diego Chargers and a run at a second consecutive Super Bowl title. He has been a head coach for 12 seasons with stints in Tampa Bay and Indianapolis.
The 52-year-old Dungy signed a three-year contract extension in September 2005, a deal intended to keep him with the Colts through 2009.
Dungy has said in the past he never intended to be a "lifer" in football and that he initially planned to retire by the time he was 50. But when he announced his return as Colts coach in February, Dungy said he still had the passion to keep coaching.
Dungy is 127-65 in 12 seasons as a head coach, finishing his six-year career in Tampa Bay as the franchise's winningest coach. He is the only Colts coach to get double-digit victory totals and earn playoff berths in six straight seasons. He led the Buccaneers to the NFC Championship Game in 1999 and has been to the AFC Championship Game twice with the Colts, following the 2003 and 2006 seasons.
Wilbur Wood
Footballguy
I think that there is some merit to Switz' insight, although no decisions are final
#1 Tony Dungy is a wonderful human being. However, I feel that he is largely along for the ride on the Colts. This is Manning's team. Dungy is a diplomat and provide overall leadership, but his void could easily be filled by someone like Polian without missing a beat. I have heard this directly from "sources" over the years (including last year) that again Peyton is the leader of the Colts, Dungy is a nice guy who has been along for the ride.
#2 Marvin Harrison. A very weird guy. Not liked by most teammates (including Peyton), not that Marvin cares as he keeps to himself. Wouldn't surprise me if there was some "strange" stuff going on with respect to his lingering injury, although I have heard that he really should have had surgery but wouldn't try the "physical therapy" route instead. Weapons of Wayne, Gonzalez and Clark, surprisingly Marvin will not be missed either.
#1 Tony Dungy is a wonderful human being. However, I feel that he is largely along for the ride on the Colts. This is Manning's team. Dungy is a diplomat and provide overall leadership, but his void could easily be filled by someone like Polian without missing a beat. I have heard this directly from "sources" over the years (including last year) that again Peyton is the leader of the Colts, Dungy is a nice guy who has been along for the ride.
#2 Marvin Harrison. A very weird guy. Not liked by most teammates (including Peyton), not that Marvin cares as he keeps to himself. Wouldn't surprise me if there was some "strange" stuff going on with respect to his lingering injury, although I have heard that he really should have had surgery but wouldn't try the "physical therapy" route instead. Weapons of Wayne, Gonzalez and Clark, surprisingly Marvin will not be missed either.
The Shizzle
Footballguy
Why is Tom Moore's name never brought up as a coaching candidate?
tommyGunZ
Footballguy
Interesting insight. I didn't know Harrison was so unpopular amongst his teammates.
BoltBacker
Footballguy
Disagree.I think most coaches today are hired for their specialization. Moore/Manning have been able to produce enough points to make the INDY offense SB caliber for almost a decade. Only once in the last nine years have they missed finishing in the top 5 offenses, finishing as one of the top 2 offenses in the NFL 5 times over those 9 years... truly remarkable. Before Dungy they had never finished with a defense above 15th ranked. Since Dungy was brought in he's had that defense in the top 7 in the league half the time. Dungy was brought in to transform the Colts from a great offensive team capable of winning their division to a great team capable of winning the SB. He's done that. Keep in mind they routinely spend the big $ on offense and Dungy is forced to rebuild entire units of his defense on the fly. Not just any coach can do that. No way was Dungy "along for the ride".
BoltBacker
Footballguy
I think it's for the same reasons Monte Kiffin is never brought up. Age and if they had the burning desire to be a HC they probably would have been one by now. IMO that's not a bad tact to take. I've been pretty vocal that I think Cam Cameron is a very, very good offensive mind in the NFL and he was brought into MIA to fix the offense(and was making great strides raising them up to the middle of the pack with Brown/Green/Chambers from one of the very worst units in the NFL in '06) but ultimately that team was doomed because their defense dropped from 5th in the NFL to 30th in the NFL. Was that Cam Cameron's fault? Same would hold true for Moore. Make him the HC in BAL and if they drop from 6th in yards given up to 30th he might get canned because "his" defense stunk.
pizzatyme
Footballguy
I haven't heard this. Marvin is quiet and keeps to himself, but what other reason would he give others to not like him?Shows up to work every year in great shape. Works in the off-season with Manning on routes. I don't see it.
Tanner9919
Footballguy
tommyGunZ
Footballguy
Obviously the professionalism and the work ethic is there. But he could still be an ####### and be a hard worker.
VaCatFan
Footballguy
More speculation: http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/rumors/post/Ca...a?urn=nfl,61366
Caldwell could replace Dungy as soon as next season?
Saturday, Jan 12, 2008 4:15 am EST
Tony Dungy
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There has also been growing speculation that Indianapolis Colts assistant head coach Jim Caldwell — who interviewed with the Ravens eight days ago — might become the next Colts head coach as early as next season if Tony Dungy retires according to a report in the Baltimore Sun.
It stems from a report that Dungy's son Eric has enrolled at a high school in Florida after spending the previous two years at a high school in Indianapolis.
There has also been speculation in Florida that given the current lame duck status of Tampa Bay Buccaneers coach Jon Gruden, Dungy could land in Tampa for the 2009 season.
Source: Baltimore Sun
Caldwell could replace Dungy as soon as next season?
Saturday, Jan 12, 2008 4:15 am EST
Tony Dungy
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There has also been growing speculation that Indianapolis Colts assistant head coach Jim Caldwell — who interviewed with the Ravens eight days ago — might become the next Colts head coach as early as next season if Tony Dungy retires according to a report in the Baltimore Sun.
It stems from a report that Dungy's son Eric has enrolled at a high school in Florida after spending the previous two years at a high school in Indianapolis.
There has also been speculation in Florida that given the current lame duck status of Tampa Bay Buccaneers coach Jon Gruden, Dungy could land in Tampa for the 2009 season.
Source: Baltimore Sun
Pat Patriot
Footballguy
I heard a very similar story about Harrison from a non-Colts fan board member that supposedly has very trusted sources on the Colts. He said that the injury wasnt what was keeping Harrison off the field. The story was that Harrison had lost the "desire" to play.
I dont have any inside information but trust the guy who gave it to me. He is not a rumor monger. What he says now makes sense combine with what Switz says.
I dont have any inside information but trust the guy who gave it to me. He is not a rumor monger. What he says now makes sense combine with what Switz says.
switz
Footballguy
My sources will accept your apology any time now
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