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What's with the hate on e sports? (1 Viewer)
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Jayrod
Footballguy
Well, first of all, it rots your brain.
And second of all, it isn't a sport. It is pressing buttons more skillfully than someone else.
Thirdly, get off my lawn, I'm an adult now.
And second of all, it isn't a sport. It is pressing buttons more skillfully than someone else.
Thirdly, get off my lawn, I'm an adult now.
bigmarc27
Footballguy
I don’t care if people want to play video games competitively. I think it’s even fun to watch in some instances. However, it’s not a ####### sport. Call if competitive gaming or something. As far as parents go, they don’t want their kid thinking he’s going to be a millionaire because he plays Fortnite and reads message boards with naked Asian cartoons. They’d like their kid to move out at some point.
Foosball God
Foos
probably because in order to play competitively they need to play an amount that hinders other areas of their life like school and regular sleep schedules.
hagmania
Footballguy
Oh, that context. Yeah, it's very similar to trying to turn pro in traditional sports.
Nice paycheck, a limit approaching 0% of players make it pro, have to spend time practicing like you would for a travel team, your game of choice will probably die* before you get old enough to support yourself with it.
Gotta be the right age to play at the time of a game's release, extremely talented, and commit 100% of your free time.
*this is nothing like trying to make it in traditional sports, and a point that gets overlooked by those with the aspiration to take it pro
Nice paycheck, a limit approaching 0% of players make it pro, have to spend time practicing like you would for a travel team, your game of choice will probably die* before you get old enough to support yourself with it.
Gotta be the right age to play at the time of a game's release, extremely talented, and commit 100% of your free time.
*this is nothing like trying to make it in traditional sports, and a point that gets overlooked by those with the aspiration to take it pro
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E Street Brat
Footballguy
iRacing is paying out 300k in prizes this year.
bigmarc27
Footballguy
Sport should not be in the name. It’s dumb. Just call it competitive gaming. Is checkers a board game sport? If you want to go the Webster’s route:
noun
1.
an activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others for entertainment.
Look, I enjoy video games. You’ll find me all over the video game thread, the RDR2 thread, the Dark Souls games threads, etc... They are a great stress reliever, but they are not a sport. This isn’t me being a sport elitist or anything either, it’s just completely goofy to call it a sport.
hagmania
Footballguy
bigmarc27
Footballguy
My first sentence says “sport should not be in the name.” You called it esport. Everyone knows exactly what’s being implied. If you want to discuss the goofy name, let’s discuss. If we’re going to circle around it for an hour, I’ll pass.
Warrior
Footballguy
bigmarc27
Footballguy
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esports
Esports (also known as electronic sports, e-sports, or eSports) is a form of competition using video games.[1]
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I guess we’re just going to circle around things, so I’ll pass on any further discussion.
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Dan Lambskin
Footballguy
Angry Beavers
Footballguy
I think the differentiator is when kids play a sport competitively, at least they are getting exercise rather than not moving.
Playing a sport, depending upon the level, will open other doors in life. I am not sure esports has that kind of pull yet.
Playing a sport, depending upon the level, will open other doors in life. I am not sure esports has that kind of pull yet.
bigmarc27
Footballguy
Foosball God
Foos
Meh, it's a different set of things they are exercising. Strategy, memory, quickly processing information. The top esports players have all kinds of endorsements and such, it just may not open the doors you're used to them opening.
Dan Lambskin
Footballguy
I miss the old days when I could post Sjokz pics without getting banned
hagmania
Footballguy
Angry Beavers
Footballguy
The bold is probably true but I am pretty sure physical sports require strategy, memory and quickly processing information when played at any kind of competitive level.
Foosball God
Foos
I'm not trying to compare the two, just that esports isn't a mindless activity that that turns people into slugs.
hagmania
Footballguy
Yes. Professional esports is harder to break into not because of the skills necessary but by virtue of the lack of space in the market for more than a handful of teams/players at the top.
hagmania
Footballguy
nirad3
Footballguy
wazoo11
Footballguy
hagmania
Footballguy
Never heard of the guy, but I assume his ranting is the usual fodder.
My argument against trying to make a living that way is that I see young and impressionable people that have fairly personal access to the lives of an extremely elite tier of very lucky successful young people, all while being shoveled a pipe dream by a business looking to make as much money off them (the kids watching and playing) as possible.
Maybe some parents are trying to protect their kids from the same thing. But most hear the word "sport" in "esports" and don't make it past that, as evidenced...
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Steve Tasker
Footballguy
I think this is a pretty well-put answer.
Even the most premier esports out there, the Counter Strikes and DOTAs and such of the world, with genuine long-lasting staying power and worldwide player bases, still have an incredibly limited financial structure. Here is a ranking of the official earnings of Counter Strike players dating back over the past 6+ years: https://www.esportsearnings.com/games/245-counter-strike-global-offensive/top-players. The top 5 players all play for the same team (Astralis, the world's #1), and the next 4 play or recently-played for MIBR (currently world #4). Scroll down the list. Is there money to be made? Sure, if you're truly elite, play for a truly elite team, and can grind out 20 tournaments a year at all corners of the earth.
But scroll down the list a bit more. Only 217 players have made $50,000 or more playing the game in the past 6 years. Now, don't get me wrong, $50,000 is a lot of money for playing a video game. But this a game with between 550 - 850 thousand players at a given time. 217 have made actual money, and even then, you're not living off that kind of money alone and living a comfortable life if you're making ~$20,000/year. Comparatively, there are nearly 1,700 NFL players in a given year, and a player earning the bare minimum rookie salary of $465,000 would be immediately the 33rd highest-paid CS player of the past 6 years, ahead of some all-time legends like forest and Get Right, and the unquestionable best player in the world today, Simple. Note that this doesn't include salaries or endorsements, but you probably don't have much in the way of those anyway if you're not in the top 200-300 in the world.
The commitment required, combined with the luck of being in the right place at the right time when a game hits it huge and gets a huge prize pool (see: Fortnite pros), is just absurd.
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wikkidpissah
Footballguy
cocaine is a helluva drug
Mr. Know-It-All
Footballguy
http://www.midlandathletics.com/roster/0/43.php
There is a local college that has Esports as a Varsity level sport - offering scholarships for that sport. Now this particular college likes to tout the percentage of their student body that participates in Varsity level competition. I don't know if this has become a thing at other colleges/universities. Hey anyway to get help with tuition costs is a good thing.
There is a local college that has Esports as a Varsity level sport - offering scholarships for that sport. Now this particular college likes to tout the percentage of their student body that participates in Varsity level competition. I don't know if this has become a thing at other colleges/universities. Hey anyway to get help with tuition costs is a good thing.
Punxsutawney Phil
Footballguy
E-sports aren't sports. with that being said, it's more of a sport than golf.
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James Bond
Footballguy
Can we do fantasy esports? Like with a dynasty auction draft?
Bull Dozier
Footballguy
Disagree to an extent. But obviously some/many of the popular steamers/youtubers are prolific at multiple games. While not an athletic event, being able to react quickly and mash buttons in the right order is transferable from one game to another, just like being able to run fast or jump high are skills transferable from one sport to another.
Steve Tasker
Footballguy
Pretty sure you can play fantasy Counter Strike somehow, though I haven't done it. Gambling on esports is a pretty big deal in general, so much so that there was a major match-fixing scandal in 2014, which has still left a handful of players banned from major events.
culdeus
Footballguy
Competition level gamers don't hold a candle earning wise to the twitch streamer types. The big time streamers make just stupid money.
That being said some people REALLY get triggered by the word sports behind the letter e. The entire industry needs a new name, but i suppose it's too late.
That being said some people REALLY get triggered by the word sports behind the letter e. The entire industry needs a new name, but i suppose it's too late.
hagmania
Footballguy
I'm not even dipping my toe into the world of content creation with what I'm laying out here... but the prime age window for most pro gaming right now is 18-24, and then your reaction time is too slow to hang beyond 28ish (with the exception of a couple of god gamers). Obviously games that don't rely on reaction time you can have a longer career, ie Hearthstone (and soon MtG). You pick a game that you're great at, git gud, make money, retire to the pastures of daily streaming. Unless you're playing the same game in a series, like going from StarCraft to StarCraft 2, there isn't enough transferable experience to make a truly successful transition between games, and the most important thing in being a pro is time spent practicing and working on your approach to the metagame.
hagmania
Footballguy
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Vanilla Guerrilla
Footballguy
My nephew paces around the living room when he plays Fortnite. He fake dribbles and shoots like he is taking a three in between plays in The NBA PS4 game. Practices spin moves when he's playing Maddens. I think he gets more exercise playing the PS 4 than he does playing baseball.
The General
Footballguy
Not saying it's not hard, and the money in it is huge and only getting bigger, but "sports" in the name is kind of dumb. That the teams all dress in the same outfit is kind of funny to me for some reason as well.
The General
Footballguy
The General
Footballguy
IIRC a couple years back there was some big gaming competition during the same week of The Masters. The winners of the gaming thing made a ton more than the winner of The Masters did.
nirad3
Footballguy
The General
Footballguy
That guy can be great in small doses talking about a topic but oh man is he annoying when he gets into arguments which he always seems to do.
Arizona Ron
Footballguy
The General
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