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Which coach would you rather have coaching a SB contender? (1 Viewer)

Which coach would you rather have coaching a SB contender?

  • Tony Dungy

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  • John Gruden

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  • Jim Mora Jr.

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pizzatyme

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This stems from a discussion in another thread where I feel Dungy and his effectiveness has run its course. I'd like to see a change in HC, DC and GM for the Colts. I would prefer someone more outwardly aggressive in their coaching style to get after his team in tough situations.

Of the three listed, who and why would you want them?

 
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Wadsworth said:
Nice idea pizzatyme. This should be interesting. I voted Dungy simply because I think he's the better coach. I question how much of Mora Jr's success is because of the zone blocking scheme and I always thought he was daft to try and make Vick into a west coact offense QB. Gruden is the lone ring winner of this group and an able coach to be sure. But the success he had with Dungy's old team looks more like a fluke now than SOP. The Bucs have had a decent record since the Super Bowl, but they've also had major player issues and I can't think of a time when anyone really feared them since they won it. Dungy's Buc teams were feared and could well have made it to the SB with a break or two. Same with the colts, they've won a ton a games and if not for a few bad break they could have been SB bound.
At this point, 3 of every 4 voters are choosing someone other than Dungy. I think this is a pretty telling statement. I like Dungy as a person. Even as a DC. But not as a head coach.
 
Nice idea pizzatyme. This should be interesting.

I voted Dungy simply because I think he's the better coach. I question how much of Mora Jr's success is because of the zone blocking scheme and I always thought he was daft to try and make Vick into a west coact offense QB. Gruden is the lone ring winner of this group and an able coach to be sure. But the success he had with Dungy's old team looks more like a fluke now than SOP. The Bucs have had a decent record since the Super Bowl, but they've also had major player issues and I can't think of a time when anyone really feared them since they won it. Dungy's Buc teams were feared and could well have made it to the SB with a break or two. Same with the colts, they've won a ton a games and if not for a few bad break they could have been SB bound.

 
I was torn between Gruden and Dungy. I like Dungy a lot, but Gruden took Dungy's Tampa team and put it over the top. So I guess if I wanted my team to win it all, I'd go with Chucky. I just remember the teams Dungy's led to the playoffs looking outplayed. Every team except for the 1999 Tampa Bay team, they were screwed over in St. Louis; they've all looked out coached, out played, and just plan soft. Gruden just had the extra "umph" that Dungy lacks.

Mora isn't even in the equation. I'd like to see what a true coach Mora would be if he didn't have Vick in the backfield. Mora hasn't turned crap teams around like Dungy and Gruden have. Mora was handed Dan Reeves team after Reeves was fired because Vick went down in the preseason and Dan wasn't the owners guy to begin with.

 
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I probably shouldn't have included Mora, but I like his demeanor on the field. I hope we get enough votes to have some quality to the poll.

 
I probably shouldn't have included Mora, but I like his demeanor on the field. I hope we get enough votes to have some quality to the poll.
Maybe, what about Brian Billick? He's won a Super Bowl and at times been considered both a genius and an idiot by fans and media. Or maybe just Chuckie and Dungy would work. That is what got you thinking in the first place.
 
Went with Dungy. I think he's a much better HC than Gruden. If Dungy loses his next game and retires, and Gruden wins his next 34, then they'll have the same lifetime record.

 
What exactly should Dungy be yelling at him team for?

Dont be injured!! Get stronger than you are!! Make that play you missed next time!!

Or what??

 
Gruden HAS a ring.

Neither of the other two do - neither if the other two have even won a Championship game!

I'll take the girl that knows how to tango to th ebig dance.

 
Gruden HAS a ring.Neither of the other two do - neither if the other two have even won a Championship game!I'll take the girl that knows how to tango to th ebig dance.
Feel like dancing with Barry Switzer? :D The Bucs are 23-30 since the Super Bowl(I think that's right, off the top of my head). The colts are 44-14(same top of the same head). You really think one post season run makes that much differince?
 
Gruden HAS a ring.Neither of the other two do - neither if the other two have even won a Championship game!I'll take the girl that knows how to tango to th ebig dance.
Feel like dancing with Barry Switzer? :D The Bucs are 23-30 since the Super Bowl(I think that's right, off the top of my head). The colts are 44-14(same top of the same head). You really think one post season run makes that much differince?
In a word, YES!
 
Gruden HAS a ring.Neither of the other two do - neither if the other two have even won a Championship game!I'll take the girl that knows how to tango to th ebig dance.
This is only useful, of course, if a lesser skilled coach that has won a Super Bowl is more likely to win a second than a greater skilled coach that has not won a Super Bowl. I don't know if this is true, and I don't believe it to be the case.
 
well, both the non-Super Bowl coaches have tasted the playoffs and didn;t get it done - in Dungy's case, MANY MANYT times.

When Gruden gets to the playoffs, he takes his team to the Bowl or damn close. Gimmeee Gruden who has at least proven he can coach his team to win playoff games.

If I need a coach to just take my SB contendor into the playoffs, I'll take Dungy. If I want a coach to take my SB team into the playoffs and win in the post-season? Gimmee Gruden.

I'd rather risk Gruden not being able to get my SB ready team into the playoffs than a coach who can't win in the playoffs. I'd porefernot to Marty ball my SB contending team.

Safe coaching gets you a winning regular season record - risky coaching gets you the whole enchillada.

 
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Brobe, I know you love the Colts. But do you really think Dungy is the guy to take us to the Superbowl? I just can't see it.

 
No shocker - Gruden running away with the poll.
Marc, the funny thing is that when I mentioned I was ready for Dungy to go in another thread, I got blasted. I know there is no chance the Colts take Dungy out with his winning percentage. But, he is not the answer for the Colts to get to the SB.I knew this poll would bear out my thinking. But it will obviously be for naught. Maybe Dungy will decide to retire and move back to Tampa. With his younger son getting to the age where he needs more involvement from Tony, I think it would serve Tony well to be there for him in light of what happened to his other son.
 
wanted to add another guy I'm hoping has a chance to be vailable at the end of the season....Jeff Fisher. Always loved the guys fire and attitude with the players, and not that long ago his Titan teams always seemed to overperform their percieved talent level in the post-season.

voted for Gruden, btw. Clearly someone that has done a very similar thing, which is take an experienced, talented team, and just put together the right gameplan and light a fire under a team in the post-season. There's something to be said for training and planning to "peak" in January. Gruden gets this, clearly Dungy and his crew do NOT.

I used to run in HS and college, and have always had the feeling that some teams really do a good job of using an fixed regimen of training to slowly work their bodies up to absolute peak performance late in the year. The Colts sure don't seem to be doing this, they seem to get more and more tired (bored?) when it gets down to playoff time. Bleh, I'm rambling.

 
Wadsworth said:
The Bucs are 23-30 since the Super Bowl(I think that's right, off the top of my head). The colts are 44-14(same top of the same head). You really think one post season run makes that much differince?
This is extremely disingenuous. Gruden took over an older team that was heading directly into salary-cap hell, and had to be remade (with little to no premium draft picks the first few years) -- Dungy went and took over a ready-made yearly SB contender that had probably the best QB of this generation (or second-best) and talent all over the place.Dungy had multiple shots to win the SB with the Bucs in the late 90s/early 00s -- with maybe one of the best defenses in the past 20-30 years. Other than 1999, he never got close.
With all the salary cap issues the Bucs D is still very good. And at the risk of being extremely disingenuous again, the Bucs are still pretty old when it comes to impact players. Galloway. Brooks, Rice, McFarland, Quarles, Barbar, Kelly, Alstott; just to name some. The Bucs have lost some players but I would not call them "remade". There are still many of the stars from that Super Bowl team playing in Tampa. Besides Galloway and Caddy, who can the current administration take credit for? The offense might be remade, but it was never the offense that won games for the Bucs to begin with. They have a great looking young RB that has problems staying healthy, a soon to be 35 year old WR that found the fountain of youth somewhere down there, and couple of young QBs that have some promise. Am I missing anyone? This is the Gruden "remade" offense?

After all this babbling my point would be that the Bucs do not look like a team that has been remade at all. The defense is still strong but has serious age issues and the future of the offense outside of Caddy(if he can stay healthy) is a quagmire. So I'm not sure if Gruden can play the "we had to rebuild" card when it doesn't look like anything has been rebuilt 4 seasons later while compiling that 23-30 record. In fact, looking at the age of that defense and the talent level of the offense, it looks like the real "remaking" is yet to come.

 
wanted to add another guy I'm hoping has a chance to be vailable at the end of the season....Jeff Fisher. Always loved the guys fire and attitude with the players, and not that long ago his Titan teams always seemed to overperform their percieved talent level in the post-season.voted for Gruden, btw. Clearly someone that has done a very similar thing, which is take an experienced, talented team, and just put together the right gameplan and light a fire under a team in the post-season. There's something to be said for training and planning to "peak" in January. Gruden gets this, clearly Dungy and his crew do NOT.I used to run in HS and college, and have always had the feeling that some teams really do a good job of using an fixed regimen of training to slowly work their bodies up to absolute peak performance late in the year. The Colts sure don't seem to be doing this, they seem to get more and more tired (bored?) when it gets down to playoff time. Bleh, I'm rambling.
I mentioned Fisher in the other thread. I was thinking at the game Sunday, that it would be nice if the 2 coaches coulda swapped sidelines. It seems Fisher always outcoaches Dungy!!!
 
Gruden is out because he wears a visor. This much I know for certain. Guy looks like a constipated soccer mom.

 
I voted Gruden because he wears a visor. A man who wears a visor must have enough confidence in his abilities to coach in order to not care about his appearance to such a high degree.

 
Wadsworth said:
The Bucs are 23-30 since the Super Bowl(I think that's right, off the top of my head). The colts are 44-14(same top of the same head). You really think one post season run makes that much differince?
This is extremely disingenuous. Gruden took over an older team that was heading directly into salary-cap hell, and had to be remade (with little to no premium draft picks the first few years) -- Dungy went and took over a ready-made yearly SB contender that had probably the best QB of this generation (or second-best) and talent all over the place.Dungy had multiple shots to win the SB with the Bucs in the late 90s/early 00s -- with maybe one of the best defenses in the past 20-30 years. Other than 1999, he never got close.

 
Wadsworth said:
The Bucs are 23-30 since the Super Bowl(I think that's right, off the top of my head). The colts are 44-14(same top of the same head). You really think one post season run makes that much differince?
This is extremely disingenuous. Gruden took over an older team that was heading directly into salary-cap hell, and had to be remade (with little to no premium draft picks the first few years) -- Dungy went and took over a ready-made yearly SB contender that had probably the best QB of this generation (or second-best) and talent all over the place.Dungy had multiple shots to win the SB with the Bucs in the late 90s/early 00s -- with maybe one of the best defenses in the past 20-30 years. Other than 1999, he never got close.
:goodposting: Finally! A voice of reason.
 
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Dungy - Guy can't win the big game.

 
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No shocker - Gruden running away with the poll.
Marc, the funny thing is that when I mentioned I was ready for Dungy to go in another thread, I got blasted. I know there is no chance the Colts take Dungy out with his winning percentage. But, he is not the answer for the Colts to get to the SB.I knew this poll would bear out my thinking. But it will obviously be for naught. Maybe Dungy will decide to retire and move back to Tampa. With his younger son getting to the age where he needs more involvement from Tony, I think it would serve Tony well to be there for him in light of what happened to his other son.
Dungy has directed the colts to a 53-16 record in the regular season in 4 full years and the start of this one. He is only the 6th coach to win 100 games in the first ten years as a head coach. Among active coaches with 50+ regular season victories his winning percentage ranks only behind Gibbs. Dungy is the only Nfl head coach to defeat all 32 teams. Pizzatime Dungy is the right coach to lead the colts now and in the future.
 
No shocker - Gruden running away with the poll.
Marc, the funny thing is that when I mentioned I was ready for Dungy to go in another thread, I got blasted. I know there is no chance the Colts take Dungy out with his winning percentage. But, he is not the answer for the Colts to get to the SB.

I knew this poll would bear out my thinking. But it will obviously be for naught. Maybe Dungy will decide to retire and move back to Tampa. With his younger son getting to the age where he needs more involvement from Tony, I think it would serve Tony well to be there for him in light of what happened to his other son.
Dungy has directed the colts to a 53-16 record in the regular season in 4 full years and the start of this one.He is only the 6th coach to win 100 games in the first ten years as a head coach.

Among active coaches with 50+ regular season victories his winning percentage ranks only behind Gibbs.

Dungy is the only Nfl head coach to defeat all 32 teams.

Pizzatime Dungy is the right coach to lead the colts now and in the futureduring the regular season.
Not into the playoffs. This is his defense that the offense continues to overcome. He walked into the best situation he could have. Who wouldn't have won the same number of games with the Colts during this era of Peyton Manning?It's all about playoff wins! Dungy doesn't cut the mustard.

 
Pizzatime I know you thought we had the best team last year I did to. We were not the best team in the league. You are right about the playoffs being important, but you also have to get there first. Please to not take for granted that any coach can step in and lead the colts to the promise land its just not that simple.

Peyton Manning can do remarkable things, but 4 or 5 players do not make you 14-2 or win you the superbowl.

We both love are colts pizzatime.

Go Colts

 
Nice idea pizzatyme. This should be interesting. I voted Dungy simply because I think he's the better coach. I question how much of Mora Jr's success is because of the zone blocking scheme and I always thought he was daft to try and make Vick into a west coact offense QB. Gruden is the lone ring winner of this group and an able coach to be sure. But the success he had with Dungy's old team looks more like a fluke now than SOP. The Bucs have had a decent record since the Super Bowl, but they've also had major player issues and I can't think of a time when anyone really feared them since they won it. Dungy's Buc teams were feared and could well have made it to the SB with a break or two. Same with the colts, they've won a ton a games and if not for a few bad break they could have been SB bound.
I disagree..Dungy sucks. can't win a big game..has potential to be a great coach, and he is a great regular season coach, but one of the worst post season coaches..what is his post season record now, 5-8? It is ironic that the first year that Gruden steps into TB HC job, he wins the SB..interesting..Gruden is, by FAR , the best of the three..he's also won SB's as an assistant ...what has dungy done that is anything worth noting? so the Colts score more than anyone, were undefeated for most of last year, he got beat in the playoffs, AGAIN..he's a great regular season coach, but if we're talking about coaches in games that MATTER MOST ( playoffs/SB's) , Dungy is a chump.
 
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Nice idea pizzatyme. This should be interesting.

I voted Dungy simply because I think he's the better coach. I question how much of Mora Jr's success is because of the zone blocking scheme and I always thought he was daft to try and make Vick into a west coact offense QB. Gruden is the lone ring winner of this group and an able coach to be sure. But the success he had with Dungy's old team looks more like a fluke now than SOP. The Bucs have had a decent record since the Super Bowl, but they've also had major player issues and I can't think of a time when anyone really feared them since they won it. Dungy's Buc teams were feared and could well have made it to the SB with a break or two. Same with the colts, they've won a ton a games and if not for a few bad break they could have been SB bound.
I disagree..Dungy sucks. can't win a big game..has potential to be a great coach, and he is a great regular season coach, but one of the worst post season coaches..what is his post season record now, 5-8? It is ironic that the first year that Gruden steps into TB HC job, he wins the SB..interesting..Gruden is, by FAR , the best of the three..

he's also won SB's as an assistant ...what has dungy done that is anything worth noting? so the Colts score more than anyone, were undefeated for most of last year, he got beat in the playoffs, AGAIN..

he's a great regular season coach, but if we're talking about winning coaches in games that MATTER MOST ( playoffs/SB's) , Dungy is a chump.
And what happened to Gruden's former team the first year Gruden was gone? They made it to the SuperBowl. Did they ever make it to the Super Bowl under Gruden? No. So by your logic Gruden gets credit for taking Dungy's former team to the Super Bowl, and Dungy get the shame because he never did it. So Bill Callahan is a better coach than Gruden? You judge a coach by his entire body of work, not just what he did in one season. Gruden did good work in Oakland and won a Super Bowl his first year in Tampa. He's proven himself a good NFL coach. But how does that make Dungy a chump?
 
The offense might be remade, but it was never the offense that won games for the Bucs to begin with.
This is incorrect, IMO.Monte Kiffen's Defense has been one of the most consistent in the history of the NFL. They finish in the top 10 every year. The defense in 2002 was no better than the previous 7 years, or the next few years.The difference in 2002 was the offense....Gruden completely controlled all 3 playoff games with a successful running and controlled passing game.Dungy was never able to figure out how to compliment Kiffen's defense like that.
 
I would definitely take Gruden. I have not seen enough of Mora yet to include him in the discussion. As far as Dungy vs. Gruden, Gruden has the killer instinct that Dungy lacks. Dungy's teams continually underperform in the playoffs and after a few times it has to be viewed as a reflection upon him as a coach.

 
I like dungy a lot, and i don't think he is the reason the colts didn't win, or the bucs didn't win.

That being said, I voted Gruden. Only one of the three has even been to a Super Bowl as a Head Coach, and he won.

 

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