If you're a real NFL GM, who would you rather have: Trevor Lawrence on a rookie deal or Deshaun Watson on his current deal?
No way. The Texans would trip over themselves to get Lawrence for Watson.It would take more than the 1.1 to get Watson
This.Obviously a lot depends on the situation. Are you a contender?.... Watson. Are you a couple years away?.... Lawrence.
Overall I go Lawrence. Once in a generation type player, and that extra cap room is MASSIVE.
This is an excellent question and will open up an entire thread I wanted to do on the Rookie QB Playbook.If you're a real NFL GM, who would you rather have: Trevor Lawrence on a rookie deal or Deshaun Watson on his current deal?
If the Jets passed on Fields which is up in the air right now what the plan is there...if they passed and you are the Houston Texans(Personally I would never trade Watson) and you feel like you can't fix things with Watson then you have to make the call to Miami and see if they want to fast track their franchise into a deep playoff run.If you're a real NFL GM, who would you rather have: Trevor Lawrence on a rookie deal or Deshaun Watson on his current deal?
Their is an NFL GM who has Deshaun Watson and he doesn't want to be in Houston and many teams would want Watson over an unproven rookie QB, even Trevor Lawrence so this should be reframed to ask what can Houston get for Deshaun Watson because many teams would want Watson and would pay a huge price.
The asking price is more than the opportunity to draft Trevor Lawrence so the starting point would be the top pick PLUS+++++??????
The hurt feelings are more about poor management for multiple years that took away his best weapon and didn't do anything to help the team improve over the course of his career. That frustration finally boiled over and is understandable. I am not saying I agree with his actions but they are understandable.Voted Watson for the surer thing but am second guessing myself. Supposedly, Watson got his feelings hurt by recent Houston management decisions. Who is to say that he won't have similar problems with some of my decisions down the road? Who needs it.
I actually don't think his feelings are hurt in the least and I don't think the stance he is taking is about what just him but rather he's the voice for other Texans players who don't have the footing he has to voice their displeasure.The hurt feelings are more about poor management for multiple years that took away his best weapon and didn't do anything to help the team improve over the course of his career. That frustration finally boiled over and is understandable. I am not saying I agree with his actions but they are understandable.
I agree. Your description is more detailed. My comment was using the terminology of the guy I quoted and that I didn't agree with it being an issue moving forward.I actually don't think his feelings are hurt in the least and I don't think the stance he is taking is about what just him but rather he's the voice for other Texans players who don't have the footing he has to voice their displeasure.
He end of season press conference he spoke of team needing a culture shift, a leader they could follow and adding that to many people think they have the "power" and the team needed someone to stand tall they could follow. It's easy now to understand what he was alluding to and I don't think those comments or his actions since are selfish or indicative or someone whose "feelings are hurt" but someone who truly had the best interest of the team and the organization. Put another way I don't think Watson's actions over this past week has lessened him in the eyes of any NFL GM, HC or owner, outside of Houston that is.
Thanks and I did think that was the case.I agree. Your description is more detailed. My comment was using the terminology of the guy I quoted and that I didn't agree with it being an issue moving forward.
No there is not a QB prospect like Lawrence every year. He’s an every 10 year guy like Luck, Manning, etcEvery year there are one or two QBs that some segment of the college fan base believes will become a stud. How many highly touted college QBs actually become elite NFL QBs? Is the hit rate even 50%? I think not. That's why Watson is the pick for me.
The perception that there is a generational talent at QB coming into the draft is more common than you think.No every year there is not a QB prospect like Lawrence every year. He’s an every 10 year guy like Luck, Manning, etc
Well he’s wrongThe perception that there is a generational talent at QB coming into the draft is more common than you think.
https://thespun.com/acc/clemson-tigers/mel-kiper-names-better-nfl-prospect-joe-burrow-or-trevor-lawrence
Last year Kiper thought Burrows was a better prospect than "generational" prospect, Trevor Lawrence.
I'm "the guy" and I admit my phrasing wasn't the best. In addition, I'm not saying that I wouldn't do the same things Watson has done/is doing regarding the situation if I were in his shoes. I'm just saying that, as a GM, that is one potential problem I would prefer not to deal with if I could help it. I understand that many others don't see it as a problem or risk.I agree. Your description is more detailed. My comment was using the terminology of the guy I quoted and that I didn't agree with it being an issue moving forward.
That's the point. Lots of people are wrong in retrospect.Well he’s wrong
No if we were talking Goff, Baker, Burrow and maybe even Murray I'd take the Watson side of this deal. Lawrence has the potentially to be much better than any of those guys. It's a risk but I think at his absolute worst Lawrence is Goff and that absolutely the worst case scenario imo. His ceiling is much, much higher than that.Every year there are one or two QBs that some segment of the college fan base believes will become a stud. How many highly touted college QBs actually become elite NFL QBs? Is the hit rate even 50%? I think not. That's why Watson is the pick for me.
Maybe because their franchise is decimated, they might do it straight up to free up some $. But I don't think it is that easy, even as Lawrence is worth more than a typical 1.1. I think Watson is worth like 3 firsts + a 2021 2nd right this second. I would think Jax would have to pay Lawrence + something good like their 2022 1st to get Watson.No way. The Texans would trip over themselves to get Lawrence for Watson.
I just don’t see it. I am extremely confident Lawrence would fetch the same exact price you just listed, probably even more because of his contract.Maybe because their franchise is decimated, they might do it straight up to free up some $. But I don't think it is that easy, even as Lawrence is worth more than a typical 1.1. I think Watson is worth like 3 firsts + a 2021 2nd right this second. I would think Jax would have to pay Lawrence + something good like their 2022 1st to get Watson.
None of which were as highly regarded coming out of college as Lawrence. You get an additional 5 years of what some are calling the highest rated QB prospect since Elway/Andrew Luck. I'll take the chance with Lawrence.Leaf, Shuler, Manziel, Russell, Leinart, Vince Young, David Carr, Jeff George....need I go on? Why would anyone prefer ANY rookie over a proven young all pro QB??
Pretty certain Texans would be the ones kicking something in not the Jags. Those 4 years at the rookie rate are worth so much more than people are giving it credit for. Especially if Lawrence is remotely productive, and he will be.Maybe because their franchise is decimated, they might do it straight up to free up some $. But I don't think it is that easy, even as Lawrence is worth more than a typical 1.1. I think Watson is worth like 3 firsts + a 2021 2nd right this second. I would think Jax would have to pay Lawrence + something good like their 2022 1st to get Watson.
None of these guys are even remotely close to the level of prospect Lawrence is. Elway, Manning, Luck and maybe somebody else I’m forgetting. That’s it.Leaf, Shuler, Manziel, Russell, Leinart, Vince Young, David Carr, Jeff George....need I go on? Why would anyone prefer ANY rookie over a proven young all pro QB??
The difference is that Watson already is what they hope Lawrence becomes.I just don’t see it. I am extremely confident Lawrence would fetch the same exact price you just listed, probably even more because of his contract.