Top 10 Real NFL QBs For Rest Of This Year (1 Viewer)

[Joe Bryant]

We've had some good discussions in the Rest Of Season thread on QBs. Thanks @travdogg for doing the rankings.

Made me think this could be its own thread.

For the rest of the season starting now, how do you rank the QBs for real NFL ability for the rest of this season? No contracts factored. No next year factored. No teammates factored. Just who they are right now as an NFL QB.

Think of it as if you were an NFL GM building a team for just this year. How would you rank the QBs?

Me:

1. Patrick Mahomes
2. Josh Allen
3. Justin Herbert
4. Trevor Lawrence
5. Lamar Jackson
6. Jalen Hurts
7. Joe Burrow
8. Mathew Stafford
9. Kirk Cousins
10. Jared Goff

How do you rank them?

Again, this is real NFL QB. Not fantasy.

 

[travdogg]

We've had some good discussions in the Rest Of Season thread on QBs. Thanks @travdogg for doing the rankings.

Made me think this could be its own thread.

For the rest of the season starting now, how do you rank the QBs for real NFL ability for the rest of this season? No contracts factored. No next year factored. No teammates factored. Just who they are right now as an NFL QB.

Think of it as if you were an NFL GM building a team for just this year. How would you rank the QBs?

Me:

1. Patrick Mahomes
2. Josh Allen
3. Justin Herbert
4. Trevor Lawrence
5. Lamar Jackson
6. Jalen Hurts
7. Joe Burrow
8. Mathew Stafford
9. Kirk Cousins
10. Jared Goff

How do you rank them?

Again, this is real NFL QB. Not fantasy.

Cool idea, I'll say:

1. Josh Allen
2. Patrick Mahomes (#1 if I get to have Andy Reid with me)
3. Lamar Jackson
4. Joe Burrow (assuming the calf is fine)
5. Kirk Cousins
6. Justin Herbert
7. CJ Stroud (what he's accomplished so far with mostly a backup OL is incredible)
8. Tua Tagovailoa
9. Jalen Hurts (like him a ton, but situationally, I'm not sure any QB has it easier)
10. Dak Prescott

That's independent of teams for me. If he hadn't torn his Achilles, I'd have had Rodgers in there somewhere as well.

 

[Ilov80s]

We've had some good discussions in the Rest Of Season thread on QBs. Thanks @travdogg for doing the rankings.

Made me think this could be its own thread.

For the rest of the season starting now, how do you rank the QBs for real NFL ability for the rest of this season? No contracts factored. No next year factored. No teammates factored. Just who they are right now as an NFL QB.

Think of it as if you were an NFL GM building a team for just this year. How would you rank the QBs?

Me:

1. Patrick Mahomes
2. Josh Allen
3. Justin Herbert
4. Trevor Lawrence
5. Lamar Jackson
6. Jalen Hurts
7. Joe Burrow
8. Mathew Stafford
9. Kirk Cousins
10. Jared Goff

How do you rank them?

Again, this is real NFL QB. Not fantasy.

Hmmm...I def have Hurts above Lawrence, Herbert and probably Jackson. There's just an element of he has been there and done that.

 

[Ilov80s]

We've had some good discussions in the Rest Of Season thread on QBs. Thanks @travdogg for doing the rankings.

Made me think this could be its own thread.

For the rest of the season starting now, how do you rank the QBs for real NFL ability for the rest of this season? No contracts factored. No next year factored. No teammates factored. Just who they are right now as an NFL QB.

Think of it as if you were an NFL GM building a team for just this year. How would you rank the QBs?

Me:

1. Patrick Mahomes
2. Josh Allen
3. Justin Herbert
4. Trevor Lawrence
5. Lamar Jackson
6. Jalen Hurts
7. Joe Burrow
8. Mathew Stafford
9. Kirk Cousins
10. Jared Goff

How do you rank them?

Again, this is real NFL QB. Not fantasy.

Cool idea, I'll say:

1. Josh Allen
2. Patrick Mahomes (#1 if I get to have Andy Reid with me)
3. Lamar Jackson
4. Joe Burrow (assuming the calf is fine)
5. Kirk Cousins
6. Justin Herbert
7. CJ Stroud (what he's accomplished so far with mostly a backup OL is incredible)
8. Tua Tagovailoa
9. Jalen Hurts (like him a ton, but situationally, I'm not sure any QB has it easier)
10. Dak Prescott

That's independent of teams for me. If he hadn't torn his Achilles, I'd have had Rodgers in there somewhere as well.

How so?

 

[Joe Bryant]

We've had some good discussions in the Rest Of Season thread on QBs. Thanks @travdogg for doing the rankings.

Made me think this could be its own thread.

For the rest of the season starting now, how do you rank the QBs for real NFL ability for the rest of this season? No contracts factored. No next year factored. No teammates factored. Just who they are right now as an NFL QB.

Think of it as if you were an NFL GM building a team for just this year. How would you rank the QBs?

Me:

1. Patrick Mahomes
2. Josh Allen
3. Justin Herbert
4. Trevor Lawrence
5. Lamar Jackson
6. Jalen Hurts
7. Joe Burrow
8. Mathew Stafford
9. Kirk Cousins
10. Jared Goff

How do you rank them?

Again, this is real NFL QB. Not fantasy.

Cool idea, I'll say:

1. Josh Allen
2. Patrick Mahomes (#1 if I get to have Andy Reid with me)
3. Lamar Jackson
4. Joe Burrow (assuming the calf is fine)
5. Kirk Cousins
6. Justin Herbert
7. CJ Stroud (what he's accomplished so far with mostly a backup OL is incredible)
8. Tua Tagovailoa
9. Jalen Hurts (like him a ton, but situationally, I'm not sure any QB has it easier)
10. Dak Prescott

That's independent of teams for me. If he hadn't torn his Achilles, I'd have had Rodgers in there somewhere as well.

Thanks. And you're thinking right, this is QB standing alone. It's Mahomes without a head coach. That kind of thing.

 

[Joe Bryant]

We've had some good discussions in the Rest Of Season thread on QBs. Thanks @travdogg for doing the rankings.

Made me think this could be its own thread.

For the rest of the season starting now, how do you rank the QBs for real NFL ability for the rest of this season? No contracts factored. No next year factored. No teammates factored. Just who they are right now as an NFL QB.

Think of it as if you were an NFL GM building a team for just this year. How would you rank the QBs?

Me:

1. Patrick Mahomes
2. Josh Allen
3. Justin Herbert
4. Trevor Lawrence
5. Lamar Jackson
6. Jalen Hurts
7. Joe Burrow
8. Mathew Stafford
9. Kirk Cousins
10. Jared Goff

How do you rank them?

Again, this is real NFL QB. Not fantasy.

Cool idea, I'll say:

1. Josh Allen
2. Patrick Mahomes (#1 if I get to have Andy Reid with me)
3. Lamar Jackson
4. Joe Burrow (assuming the calf is fine)
5. Kirk Cousins
6. Justin Herbert
7. CJ Stroud (what he's accomplished so far with mostly a backup OL is incredible)
8. Tua Tagovailoa
9. Jalen Hurts (like him a ton, but situationally, I'm not sure any QB has it easier)
10. Dak Prescott

That's independent of teams for me. If he hadn't torn his Achilles, I'd have had Rodgers in there somewhere as well.

How so?

Hurts has a fantastic supporting cast is what I think he means.

 

[Joe Bryant]

We've had some good discussions in the Rest Of Season thread on QBs. Thanks @travdogg for doing the rankings.

Made me think this could be its own thread.

For the rest of the season starting now, how do you rank the QBs for real NFL ability for the rest of this season? No contracts factored. No next year factored. No teammates factored. Just who they are right now as an NFL QB.

Think of it as if you were an NFL GM building a team for just this year. How would you rank the QBs?

Me:

1. Patrick Mahomes
2. Josh Allen
3. Justin Herbert
4. Trevor Lawrence
5. Lamar Jackson
6. Jalen Hurts
7. Joe Burrow
8. Mathew Stafford
9. Kirk Cousins
10. Jared Goff

How do you rank them?

Again, this is real NFL QB. Not fantasy.

Hmmm...I def have Hurts above Lawrence, Herbert and probably Jackson. There's just an element of he has been there and done that.

Cool. What's your top 10?

 

[travdogg]

We've had some good discussions in the Rest Of Season thread on QBs. Thanks @travdogg for doing the rankings.

Made me think this could be its own thread.

For the rest of the season starting now, how do you rank the QBs for real NFL ability for the rest of this season? No contracts factored. No next year factored. No teammates factored. Just who they are right now as an NFL QB.

Think of it as if you were an NFL GM building a team for just this year. How would you rank the QBs?

Me:

1. Patrick Mahomes
2. Josh Allen
3. Justin Herbert
4. Trevor Lawrence
5. Lamar Jackson
6. Jalen Hurts
7. Joe Burrow
8. Mathew Stafford
9. Kirk Cousins
10. Jared Goff

How do you rank them?

Again, this is real NFL QB. Not fantasy.

Cool idea, I'll say:

1. Josh Allen
2. Patrick Mahomes (#1 if I get to have Andy Reid with me)
3. Lamar Jackson
4. Joe Burrow (assuming the calf is fine)
5. Kirk Cousins
6. Justin Herbert
7. CJ Stroud (what he's accomplished so far with mostly a backup OL is incredible)
8. Tua Tagovailoa
9. Jalen Hurts (like him a ton, but situationally, I'm not sure any QB has it easier)
10. Dak Prescott

That's independent of teams for me. If he hadn't torn his Achilles, I'd have had Rodgers in there somewhere as well.

How so?

Elite OL, WR, TE, and quality play caller, on a team that also doesn't need to be in shootouts because of a good defense.

 

[fightingillini]

Interesting topic. To me there are only 9 real franchise QBs right now.

Tier 1 - Franchise QBs

1) Mahomes
2) Allen
3) Burrow
4) Hurts
5) Herbert
6) Jackson
7) Lawrence
8) Stafford
9) Tua

Rodgers would make it 10 but his Achilles injury is a killer

Potential Franchise QBs (too early to label them franchise QBs) - Stroud, Richardson

Good solid QBs but not franchise QBs - Cousins, Goff, Prescott, Purdy

This is about half the league. The rest are just average at best NFL QBs.

If you don't have at least a Good Solid QB, you can't win the Super Bowl in this era. SF came pretty close in 2020 with Jimmy G, but this is the era of the franchise QB.

 

[Ilov80s]

We've had some good discussions in the Rest Of Season thread on QBs. Thanks @travdogg for doing the rankings.

Made me think this could be its own thread.

For the rest of the season starting now, how do you rank the QBs for real NFL ability for the rest of this season? No contracts factored. No next year factored. No teammates factored. Just who they are right now as an NFL QB.

Think of it as if you were an NFL GM building a team for just this year. How would you rank the QBs?

Me:

1. Patrick Mahomes
2. Josh Allen
3. Justin Herbert
4. Trevor Lawrence
5. Lamar Jackson
6. Jalen Hurts
7. Joe Burrow
8. Mathew Stafford
9. Kirk Cousins
10. Jared Goff

How do you rank them?

Again, this is real NFL QB. Not fantasy.

Cool idea, I'll say:

1. Josh Allen
2. Patrick Mahomes (#1 if I get to have Andy Reid with me)
3. Lamar Jackson
4. Joe Burrow (assuming the calf is fine)
5. Kirk Cousins
6. Justin Herbert
7. CJ Stroud (what he's accomplished so far with mostly a backup OL is incredible)
8. Tua Tagovailoa
9. Jalen Hurts (like him a ton, but situationally, I'm not sure any QB has it easier)
10. Dak Prescott

That's independent of teams for me. If he hadn't torn his Achilles, I'd have had Rodgers in there somewhere as well.

How so?

Hurts has a fantastic supporting cast is what I think he means.

True, but there are a few QBs with great supporting casts. Maybe Hurts does have the best though these are always tricky. Brown, Smith and Goedert, how do they look without Hurts?

 

[Ilov80s]

We've had some good discussions in the Rest Of Season thread on QBs. Thanks @travdogg for doing the rankings.

Made me think this could be its own thread.

For the rest of the season starting now, how do you rank the QBs for real NFL ability for the rest of this season? No contracts factored. No next year factored. No teammates factored. Just who they are right now as an NFL QB.

Think of it as if you were an NFL GM building a team for just this year. How would you rank the QBs?

Me:

1. Patrick Mahomes
2. Josh Allen
3. Justin Herbert
4. Trevor Lawrence
5. Lamar Jackson
6. Jalen Hurts
7. Joe Burrow
8. Mathew Stafford
9. Kirk Cousins
10. Jared Goff

How do you rank them?

Again, this is real NFL QB. Not fantasy.

Hmmm...I def have Hurts above Lawrence, Herbert and probably Jackson. There's just an element of he has been there and done that.

Cool. What's your top 10?

Probably about the same as yours jsut swar Hebert with Hurts. Also for some reason I want to put Stroud at 9 or 10 even though he's so experienced. I am just such a believer in him as a player.

 

[jobarules]

1. Mahomes (duh)
2. Burrow (assuming calf is good)
3. Hurts (impossible to defend)
4. Allen (probably the most talented but makes too many mistakes playing hero ball)
5. LJax (accuracy issues overcome by legs, bottom line the guy wins)
6. Herbert (talented but hes on the precipise of being another Jeff George aka guy who cant win)
7. Cousins (gets absolutely no respect, Dallas would have won SB with him)
8. Tua (love the accuracy and way he orchestrates offense)
9. Stafford (old man's still got it)
10. Goff (has improved dramatically)

 

[Ilov80s]

We've had some good discussions in the Rest Of Season thread on QBs. Thanks @travdogg for doing the rankings.

Made me think this could be its own thread.

For the rest of the season starting now, how do you rank the QBs for real NFL ability for the rest of this season? No contracts factored. No next year factored. No teammates factored. Just who they are right now as an NFL QB.

Think of it as if you were an NFL GM building a team for just this year. How would you rank the QBs?

Me:

1. Patrick Mahomes
2. Josh Allen
3. Justin Herbert
4. Trevor Lawrence
5. Lamar Jackson
6. Jalen Hurts
7. Joe Burrow
8. Mathew Stafford
9. Kirk Cousins
10. Jared Goff

How do you rank them?

Again, this is real NFL QB. Not fantasy.

Cool idea, I'll say:

1. Josh Allen
2. Patrick Mahomes (#1 if I get to have Andy Reid with me)
3. Lamar Jackson
4. Joe Burrow (assuming the calf is fine)
5. Kirk Cousins
6. Justin Herbert
7. CJ Stroud (what he's accomplished so far with mostly a backup OL is incredible)
8. Tua Tagovailoa
9. Jalen Hurts (like him a ton, but situationally, I'm not sure any QB has it easier)
10. Dak Prescott

That's independent of teams for me. If he hadn't torn his Achilles, I'd have had Rodgers in there somewhere as well.

How so?

Elite OL, WR, TE, and quality play caller, on a team that also doesn't need to be in shootouts because of a good defense.

OL is elite. AJ Brown is elite. Defense is good for sure. Are Smith, Watkins, etc and Goedert elite or just benefiting from Hurts and Brown? Difficult to say but Hurts for sure provides some things most QBs don't. But you are right, he would have a different result in Carolina or Vegas.

 

[jobarules]

We've had some good discussions in the Rest Of Season thread on QBs. Thanks @travdogg for doing the rankings.

Made me think this could be its own thread.

For the rest of the season starting now, how do you rank the QBs for real NFL ability for the rest of this season? No contracts factored. No next year factored. No teammates factored. Just who they are right now as an NFL QB.

Think of it as if you were an NFL GM building a team for just this year. How would you rank the QBs?

Me:

1. Patrick Mahomes
2. Josh Allen
3. Justin Herbert
4. Trevor Lawrence
5. Lamar Jackson
6. Jalen Hurts
7. Joe Burrow
8. Mathew Stafford
9. Kirk Cousins
10. Jared Goff

How do you rank them?

Again, this is real NFL QB. Not fantasy.

What has Lawrence done to be top 4 let alone top 10?

 

[Todem]

1. Mahomes
2. Burrow
3. Herbert
4. Allen
5. Jackson
6. Purdy
7. Tua
8. Goff
9. Hurts
10. Stroud

 

[Galileo]

I find it pretty hard to separate the QB from the supporting cast. The dependency is great in my opinion, but raw ranking for me would be...

1. Josh Allen
2. Patrick Mahomes
3. Justin Herbert
4. Joe Burrows
5, Lamar Jackson
6. Jalen Hurts
7. Tua Tagovailoa
8. Matt Stafford
9. Trevor Lawrence
10. PJ Walker ... I kid, I kid... <------ Browns fan
10. CJ Stroud

 

[Joe Bryant]

We've had some good discussions in the Rest Of Season thread on QBs. Thanks @travdogg for doing the rankings.

Made me think this could be its own thread.

For the rest of the season starting now, how do you rank the QBs for real NFL ability for the rest of this season? No contracts factored. No next year factored. No teammates factored. Just who they are right now as an NFL QB.

Think of it as if you were an NFL GM building a team for just this year. How would you rank the QBs?

Me:

1. Patrick Mahomes
2. Josh Allen
3. Justin Herbert
4. Trevor Lawrence
5. Lamar Jackson
6. Jalen Hurts
7. Joe Burrow
8. Mathew Stafford
9. Kirk Cousins
10. Jared Goff

How do you rank them?

Again, this is real NFL QB. Not fantasy.

Hmmm...I def have Hurts above Lawrence, Herbert and probably Jackson. There's just an element of he has been there and done that.

Cool. What's your top 10?

Probably about the same as yours jsut swar Hebert with Hurts. Also for some reason I want to put Stroud at 9 or 10 even though he's so experienced. I am just such a believer in him as a player.

Can absolutely see an argument for Stroud. Small sample size of games is all that's keeping him out for me.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Stats of course are not everything. But one on Hurts I think is interesting. He's 16 in Passer rating but that doesn't factor rushing. But in ESPN's QBR rating that does factor rushing, he's only 9th. Interesting. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2023/passing.htm

 

[Joe Bryant]

1. Mahomes
2. Burrow
3. Herbert
4. Allen
5. Jackson
6. Purdy
7. Tua
8. Goff
9. Hurts
10. Stroud

Can you elaborate more on Purdy? I can see it. But wondering what you thought.

 

[Joe Bryant]

We've had some good discussions in the Rest Of Season thread on QBs. Thanks @travdogg for doing the rankings.

Made me think this could be its own thread.

For the rest of the season starting now, how do you rank the QBs for real NFL ability for the rest of this season? No contracts factored. No next year factored. No teammates factored. Just who they are right now as an NFL QB.

Think of it as if you were an NFL GM building a team for just this year. How would you rank the QBs?

Me:

1. Patrick Mahomes
2. Josh Allen
3. Justin Herbert
4. Trevor Lawrence
5. Lamar Jackson
6. Jalen Hurts
7. Joe Burrow
8. Mathew Stafford
9. Kirk Cousins
10. Jared Goff

How do you rank them?

Again, this is real NFL QB. Not fantasy.

Cool idea, I'll say:

1. Josh Allen
2. Patrick Mahomes (#1 if I get to have Andy Reid with me)
3. Lamar Jackson
4. Joe Burrow (assuming the calf is fine)
5. Kirk Cousins
6. Justin Herbert
7. CJ Stroud (what he's accomplished so far with mostly a backup OL is incredible)
8. Tua Tagovailoa
9. Jalen Hurts (like him a ton, but situationally, I'm not sure any QB has it easier)
10. Dak Prescott

That's independent of teams for me. If he hadn't torn his Achilles, I'd have had Rodgers in there somewhere as well.

How so?

Hurts has a fantastic supporting cast is what I think he means.

True, but there are a few QBs with great supporting casts. Maybe Hurts does have the best though these are always tricky. Brown, Smith and Goedert, how do they look without Hurts?

Yes. I think one can look at the reverse though too. How does Hurts look without that OL and those weapons?

For me, I think he's QB6 in that view.

 

[travdogg]

To add to my Josh Allen #1 argument, I've been thinking for a bit now, that Allen is this generations John Elway. He just hasn't had his Mike Shanahan yet. Same clear elite talent that takes over games, that sometimes gets in trouble playing hero ball, because the offense rarely has other ideas.

 

[Joe Bryant]

To add to my Josh Allen #1 argument, I've been thinking for a bit now, that Allen is this generations John Elway. He just hasn't had his Mike Shanahan yet. Same clear elite talent that takes over games, that sometimes gets in trouble playing hero ball, because the offense rarely has other ideas.

I'd still have Mahomes at #1 but wouldn't argue with Allen there. When he's on, he's unstoppable.

 

[Biabreakable]

We've had some good discussions in the Rest Of Season thread on QBs. Thanks @travdogg for doing the rankings.

Made me think this could be its own thread.

For the rest of the season starting now, how do you rank the QBs for real NFL ability for the rest of this season? No contracts factored. No next year factored. No teammates factored. Just who they are right now as an NFL QB.

Think of it as if you were an NFL GM building a team for just this year. How would you rank the QBs?

Me:

1. Patrick Mahomes
2. Josh Allen
3. Justin Herbert
4. Trevor Lawrence
5. Lamar Jackson
6. Jalen Hurts
7. Joe Burrow
8. Mathew Stafford
9. Kirk Cousins
10. Jared Goff

How do you rank them?

Again, this is real NFL QB. Not fantasy.

Cool idea, I'll say:

1. Josh Allen
2. Patrick Mahomes (#1 if I get to have Andy Reid with me)
3. Lamar Jackson
4. Joe Burrow (assuming the calf is fine)
5. Kirk Cousins
6. Justin Herbert
7. CJ Stroud (what he's accomplished so far with mostly a backup OL is incredible)
8. Tua Tagovailoa
9. Jalen Hurts (like him a ton, but situationally, I'm not sure any QB has it easier)
10. Dak Prescott

That's independent of teams for me. If he hadn't torn his Achilles, I'd have had Rodgers in there somewhere as well.

How so?

Hurts has a fantastic supporting cast is what I think he means.

True, but there are a few QBs with great supporting casts. Maybe Hurts does have the best though these are always tricky. Brown, Smith and Goedert, how do they look without Hurts?

AJ Brown was great with Tannehill and Hurts performance took a big leap after the Eagles traded for Brown.

Similarly Josh Allen was not nearly as good without Diggs.

These very good WR bring the level of QB play higher.

Randy Moss played with a bunch of Meh QBs but still put up great numbers before being paired with Brady.

Brady was good before Moss but his numbers skyrocketed after they got Moss. Moss also had his career best season with Brady, so it does go both ways, but I have seen enough examples to think elite WR help QBs more than Elite QBs help WR to be great.

 

[jobarules]

Stats of course are not everything. But one on Hurts I think is interesting. He's 16 in Passer rating but that doesn't factor rushing. But in ESPN's QBR rating that does factor rushing, he's only 9th. Interesting. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2023/passing.htm

This might sound stupid but Id move Hurts down the list if they banned the Tush Push. Something about getting a guaranteed 1st down on 4th and 1 is a HUGE weapon that other QBs cant pull off because they dont have his leg strength.

 

[travdogg]

We've had some good discussions in the Rest Of Season thread on QBs. Thanks @travdogg for doing the rankings.

Made me think this could be its own thread.

For the rest of the season starting now, how do you rank the QBs for real NFL ability for the rest of this season? No contracts factored. No next year factored. No teammates factored. Just who they are right now as an NFL QB.

Think of it as if you were an NFL GM building a team for just this year. How would you rank the QBs?

Me:

1. Patrick Mahomes
2. Josh Allen
3. Justin Herbert
4. Trevor Lawrence
5. Lamar Jackson
6. Jalen Hurts
7. Joe Burrow
8. Mathew Stafford
9. Kirk Cousins
10. Jared Goff

How do you rank them?

Again, this is real NFL QB. Not fantasy.

Cool idea, I'll say:

1. Josh Allen
2. Patrick Mahomes (#1 if I get to have Andy Reid with me)
3. Lamar Jackson
4. Joe Burrow (assuming the calf is fine)
5. Kirk Cousins
6. Justin Herbert
7. CJ Stroud (what he's accomplished so far with mostly a backup OL is incredible)
8. Tua Tagovailoa
9. Jalen Hurts (like him a ton, but situationally, I'm not sure any QB has it easier)
10. Dak Prescott

That's independent of teams for me. If he hadn't torn his Achilles, I'd have had Rodgers in there somewhere as well.

How so?

Elite OL, WR, TE, and quality play caller, on a team that also doesn't need to be in shootouts because of a good defense.

OL is elite. AJ Brown is elite. Defense is good for sure. Are Smith, Watkins, etc and Goedert elite or just benefiting from Hurts and Brown? Difficult to say but Hurts for sure provides some things most QBs don't. But you are right, he would have a different result in Carolina or Vegas.

I think Goedert is a top-4 NFL TE, who probably gets held back by this offense. I think he could be a close to an Andrews level guy if he were a featured player, rather than a bit player. Smith is a quality #2, but I'll agree he's not elite, just including him as a plus in the whole package though. As far as #3 weapons go, I can't think of anyone who has someone better besides Purdy, and maybe Herbert if you are counting Ekeler, but Herbert doesn't have near Philly's OL.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Stats of course are not everything. But one on Hurts I think is interesting. He's 16 in Passer rating but that doesn't factor rushing. But in ESPN's QBR rating that does factor rushing, he's only 9th. Interesting. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2023/passing.htm

This might sound stupid but Id move Hurts down the list if they banned the Tush Push. Something about getting a guaranteed 1st down on 4th and 1 is a HUGE weapon that other QBs cant pull off because they dont have his leg strength.

I don't think that sounds stupid. That play is a significant part of his game.

 

[Biabreakable]

To add to my Josh Allen #1 argument, I've been thinking for a bit now, that Allen is this generations John Elway. He just hasn't had his Mike Shanahan yet. Same clear elite talent that takes over games, that sometimes gets in trouble playing hero ball, because the offense rarely has other ideas.

I think Brian Daboll deserves some credit for helping develop Allen who does not seem as good without him. Diggs is a factor here as well.

Maybe it was also just Josh Allen improving a ton in his 3rd season as many QBs do, but Allen's completion percentage and QBR skyrocketed in his 3rd season after they traded for Diggs.

He was very raw as a passer coming in to the league.

 

[travdogg]

We've had some good discussions in the Rest Of Season thread on QBs. Thanks @travdogg for doing the rankings.

Made me think this could be its own thread.

For the rest of the season starting now, how do you rank the QBs for real NFL ability for the rest of this season? No contracts factored. No next year factored. No teammates factored. Just who they are right now as an NFL QB.

Think of it as if you were an NFL GM building a team for just this year. How would you rank the QBs?

Me:

1. Patrick Mahomes
2. Josh Allen
3. Justin Herbert
4. Trevor Lawrence
5. Lamar Jackson
6. Jalen Hurts
7. Joe Burrow
8. Mathew Stafford
9. Kirk Cousins
10. Jared Goff

How do you rank them?

Again, this is real NFL QB. Not fantasy.

Cool idea, I'll say:

1. Josh Allen
2. Patrick Mahomes (#1 if I get to have Andy Reid with me)
3. Lamar Jackson
4. Joe Burrow (assuming the calf is fine)
5. Kirk Cousins
6. Justin Herbert
7. CJ Stroud (what he's accomplished so far with mostly a backup OL is incredible)
8. Tua Tagovailoa
9. Jalen Hurts (like him a ton, but situationally, I'm not sure any QB has it easier)
10. Dak Prescott

That's independent of teams for me. If he hadn't torn his Achilles, I'd have had Rodgers in there somewhere as well.

How so?

Hurts has a fantastic supporting cast is what I think he means.

True, but there are a few QBs with great supporting casts. Maybe Hurts does have the best though these are always tricky. Brown, Smith and Goedert, how do they look without Hurts?

AJ Brown was great with Tannehill and Hurts performance took a big leap after the Eagles traded for Brown.

Similarly Josh Allen was not nearly as good without Diggs.

These very good WR bring the level of QB play higher.

Randy Moss played with a bunch of Meh QBs but still put up great numbers before being paired with Brady.

Brady was good before Moss but his numbers skyrocketed after they got Moss. Moss also had his career best season with Brady, so it does go both ways, but I have seen enough examples to think elite WR help QBs more than Elite QBs help WR to be great.

I'm always reminded of the interesting stat that Jerry Rice had better per game numbers with the trio of Jeff Kemp, Steve Bono, and Elvis Grbac than he had with Joe Montana or Steve Young. So good that it convinced KC twice to trade with SF, chasing after the next Montana.

 

[Crippler]

1. Allen
2. Mahomes
3. Herbert
———————
4. Burrow
5. Jackson
———————
6. Lawrence
7. Goff
8. Stroud
———————-
9. Tua
10. Hurts

 

[Pigskin Fanatic]

I find it pretty hard to separate the QB from the supporting cast. The dependency is great in my opinion,

agree with this. i would drop hurts quite a bit without the eagles o-line for example and i can see scenarios for tua not even being on the top 10 list without the miami offensive speed. tough exercise here, great discussion.

For this year:

1 Mahomes
2 Hurts
3 Allen
4 Burrow
5 LJackson
6 Cousins
7 Stafford
8 Herbert - seen way too many bad throws this year to have him higher
9 Goff
10 Tua - the comment about supporting cast, how good is Miami without the supporting cast including Achane? Not sure how much of their success i attribute to Tua and I can name a few QB's i could put here instead.

If he didn't get hurt I'd put Richardson at 9 or 10 - over the likes of Tua, Stroud, Lawrence, Goff - because he surprised me a lot. Not a great supporting cast, new and first time head coach, not much history of playing QB, yet he's performing at a high level. I guess Stroud is similar in these respects except he was a three year starter in college. i was not a believer, but i really hope the injury doesn't derail his progress when he returns.

 

[Football Jones]

No way Hurts is a top-10 QB in real life. Not even close, IMO. Middling arm talent & his rushing ability is only going to get worse as time goes by. He’s dinged now, but didn’t look like the same runner as even last year earlier this season.

It’s only a matter of time before he sinks into the Cam Newton dynamic (loss of rushing ability compounds lack of arm talent). FF is a different story, but even then, he isn’t going to be a long-term stud like the top throwers.

Good topic. We’re so focused on FF that we don’t think about who the best players actually are.

 

[Biabreakable]

We've had some good discussions in the Rest Of Season thread on QBs. Thanks @travdogg for doing the rankings.

Made me think this could be its own thread.

For the rest of the season starting now, how do you rank the QBs for real NFL ability for the rest of this season? No contracts factored. No next year factored. No teammates factored. Just who they are right now as an NFL QB.

Think of it as if you were an NFL GM building a team for just this year. How would you rank the QBs?

Me:

1. Patrick Mahomes
2. Josh Allen
3. Justin Herbert
4. Trevor Lawrence
5. Lamar Jackson
6. Jalen Hurts
7. Joe Burrow
8. Mathew Stafford
9. Kirk Cousins
10. Jared Goff

How do you rank them?

Again, this is real NFL QB. Not fantasy.

Cool idea, I'll say:

1. Josh Allen
2. Patrick Mahomes (#1 if I get to have Andy Reid with me)
3. Lamar Jackson
4. Joe Burrow (assuming the calf is fine)
5. Kirk Cousins
6. Justin Herbert
7. CJ Stroud (what he's accomplished so far with mostly a backup OL is incredible)
8. Tua Tagovailoa
9. Jalen Hurts (like him a ton, but situationally, I'm not sure any QB has it easier)
10. Dak Prescott

That's independent of teams for me. If he hadn't torn his Achilles, I'd have had Rodgers in there somewhere as well.

How so?

Hurts has a fantastic supporting cast is what I think he means.

True, but there are a few QBs with great supporting casts. Maybe Hurts does have the best though these are always tricky. Brown, Smith and Goedert, how do they look without Hurts?

AJ Brown was great with Tannehill and Hurts performance took a big leap after the Eagles traded for Brown.

Similarly Josh Allen was not nearly as good without Diggs.

These very good WR bring the level of QB play higher.

Randy Moss played with a bunch of Meh QBs but still put up great numbers before being paired with Brady.

Brady was good before Moss but his numbers skyrocketed after they got Moss. Moss also had his career best season with Brady, so it does go both ways, but I have seen enough examples to think elite WR help QBs more than Elite QBs help WR to be great.

I'm always reminded of the interesting stat that Jerry Rice had better per game numbers with the trio of Jeff Kemp, Steve Bono, and Elvis Grbac than he had with Joe Montana or Steve Young. So good that it convinced KC twice to trade with SF, chasing after the next Montana.

Still one of my favorite games of all time watching KC Montana vs Denver Elway.

 

[fred_1_15301]

If it were last years Hurts I would put him at 2 honestly. But this year it does feel like he’s more a product of the absolute elite team surrounding him. He’s still very good but I don’t think he even sniffs top 5 on just about any other team.

 

[Todem]

1. Mahomes
2. Burrow
3. Herbert
4. Allen
5. Jackson
6. Purdy
7. Tua
8. Goff
9. Hurts
10. Stroud

Can you elaborate more on Purdy? I can see it. But wondering what you thought.

When I watch Purdy I see a QB who has complete command of his offense, makes outstanding anticipatory throws all over the field, has sneaky mobility and the ability to throw on the run, has a very calm and cool pocket presence and command of his huddle and also has proven he can win in pressure situations.

Physically he is probably the most unsexy QB on that entire list.

But he reminds me of Tom Brady….highly intelligent, a winner, and grinder.

And his story is just beginning.

 

[Ilov80s]

1. Mahomes
2. Burrow
3. Herbert
4. Allen
5. Jackson
6. Purdy
7. Tua
8. Goff
9. Hurts
10. Stroud

Can you elaborate more on Purdy? I can see it. But wondering what you thought.

When I watch Purdy I see a QB who has complete command of his offense, makes outstanding anticipatory throws all over the field, has sneaky mobility and the ability to throw on the run, has a very calm and cool pocket presence and command of his huddle and also has proven he can win in pressure situations.

Physically he is probably the most unsexy QB on that entire list.

But he reminds me of Tom Brady….highly intelligent, a winner, and grinder.

And his story is just beginning.

He's no Jalen Hurts but I bet he looks better with his shirt off than say than Goff and Cousins.

 

[Joe Bryant]

1. Mahomes
2. Burrow
3. Herbert
4. Allen
5. Jackson
6. Purdy
7. Tua
8. Goff
9. Hurts
10. Stroud

Can you elaborate more on Purdy? I can see it. But wondering what you thought.

When I watch Purdy I see a QB who has complete command of his offense, makes outstanding anticipatory throws all over the field, has sneaky mobility and the ability to throw on the run, has a very calm and cool pocket presence and command of his huddle and also has proven he can win in pressure situations.

Physically he is probably the most unsexy QB on that entire list.

But he reminds me of Tom Brady….highly intelligent, a winner, and grinder.

And his story is just beginning.

He's no Jalen Hurts but I bet he looks better with his shirt off than say than Goff and Cousins.

No doubt. Trey Lance is a Hall of Famer if we're going on that scale. (Which is a scale more people use than they may admit... )

 

[Leroy Hoard]

In terms of NFL vs fantasy I would definitely not leave Goff out of anyone's top 10. St. Brown and a rookie TE are good targets but not exactly elite.

 

[zoonation]

Great thread given all the Qb discussion.

Mine is:

1. Mahomes
2. Allen
3. Burrow
4. Hurts
5. Lamar
6. Cousins
7. Lawrence
8. Tua
9. Herbert
10. Goff

 

[zoonation]

We've had some good discussions in the Rest Of Season thread on QBs. Thanks @travdogg for doing the rankings.

Made me think this could be its own thread.

For the rest of the season starting now, how do you rank the QBs for real NFL ability for the rest of this season? No contracts factored. No next year factored. No teammates factored. Just who they are right now as an NFL QB.

Think of it as if you were an NFL GM building a team for just this year. How would you rank the QBs?

Me:

1. Patrick Mahomes
2. Josh Allen
3. Justin Herbert
4. Trevor Lawrence
5. Lamar Jackson
6. Jalen Hurts
7. Joe Burrow
8. Mathew Stafford
9. Kirk Cousins
10. Jared Goff

How do you rank them?

Again, this is real NFL QB. Not fantasy.

Cool idea, I'll say:

1. Josh Allen
2. Patrick Mahomes (#1 if I get to have Andy Reid with me)
3. Lamar Jackson
4. Joe Burrow (assuming the calf is fine)
5. Kirk Cousins
6. Justin Herbert
7. CJ Stroud (what he's accomplished so far with mostly a backup OL is incredible)
8. Tua Tagovailoa
9. Jalen Hurts (like him a ton, but situationally, I'm not sure any QB has it easier)
10. Dak Prescott

That's independent of teams for me. If he hadn't torn his Achilles, I'd have had Rodgers in there somewhere as well.

How so?

Hurts has a fantastic supporting cast is what I think he means.

True, but there are a few QBs with great supporting casts. Maybe Hurts does have the best though these are always tricky. Brown, Smith and Goedert, how do they look without Hurts?

AJ Brown was great with Tannehill and Hurts performance took a big leap after the Eagles traded for Brown.

Similarly Josh Allen was not nearly as good without Diggs.

These very good WR bring the level of QB play higher.

Randy Moss played with a bunch of Meh QBs but still put up great numbers before being paired with Brady.

Brady was good before Moss but his numbers skyrocketed after they got Moss. Moss also had his career best season with Brady, so it does go both ways, but I have seen enough examples to think elite WR help QBs more than Elite QBs help WR to be great.

This is so true. T.O. turned average QBs into elite pro bowlers.

 

[-OZ-]

I’ll list ten but by tiers

ELITE franchise QB, lock it up
Mahomes
Allen
Lamar

ELITE but not a lock
Burrow
Lawrence
Herbert

Franchise QB, not sure they’d be able to win it by putting the team on their back but they have a good chance
Hurts
Stafford
Tua
Dak
Goff
Stroud

 

[BobbyLayne]

Me:

1. Patrick Mahomes
2. Josh Allen
3. Justin Herbert
4. Trevor Lawrence
5. Lamar Jackson
6. Jalen Hurts
7. Joe Burrow
8. Mathew Stafford
9. Kirk Cousins
10. Jared Goff

How do you rank them?

Again, this is real NFL QB. Not fantasy.

Me:

1. Josh Allen
2. Jalen Hurts
3. Patrick Mahomes
4. Lamar Jackson
5. Justin Herbert
6. Tua Tagovailoa
7. Jared Goff
8. Kirk Cousins
9. C.J. Stroud
10. Brock Purdy

Quick glance, I see Trevor Lawrence listed as Top Ten on 6 out of 10 posts above mine. Interesting.

• 12th in Completion %
• 12th in yards per game
• 19th in TD%
• 12th in Adjusted Net Yards Per Attempt
• 12th in QBR
• 9th iin Big Time Throw %
• 23rd in lowest Turnover Worthy Plays %
• 14th in Adjusted Completion %
• 10th in Pressure to Sack %

How to justify him being Top Ten? Intangibles, man....team is 5-2, he plays the most important position. IDK, he's more like 12th at best.

 

[BoltNlava]

1. Mahomes- oils on canvas good
2. Burrow- injured but uncanny great
3. Allen- hero ball kills him
4. Trevor Lawrence- just keeps getting better
5. Tua- some flaws but always in the black
6. Hurts- great team dynamic and runs are a plus
7. Lamarr- ugly wins then losses (put it all together once)
8. Cousins-wins just happen, playoffs don't
9. Herbert- held back by inferior coaching. could be great/could not be
10. Purdy-just getting started. looks so good tho'.

 

[-OZ-]

In terms of NFL vs fantasy I would definitely not leave Goff out of anyone's top 10. St. Brown and a rookie TE are good targets but not exactly elite.

I know they’re not the same but Stroud reminds me a lot of Goff.

Me:

1. Patrick Mahomes
2. Josh Allen
3. Justin Herbert
4. Trevor Lawrence
5. Lamar Jackson
6. Jalen Hurts
7. Joe Burrow
8. Mathew Stafford
9. Kirk Cousins
10. Jared Goff

How do you rank them?

Again, this is real NFL QB. Not fantasy.

Me:

1. Josh Allen
2. Jalen Hurts
3. Patrick Mahomes
4. Lamar Jackson
5. Justin Herbert
6. Tua Tagovailoa
7. Jared Goff
8. Kirk Cousins
9. C.J. Stroud
10. Brock Purdy

Quick glance, I see Trevor Lawrence listed as Top Ten on 6 out of 10 posts above mine. Interesting.

• 12th in Completion %
• 12th in yards per game
• 19th in TD%
• 12th in Adjusted Net Yards Per Attempt
• 12th in QBR
• 9th iin Big Time Throw %
• 23rd in lowest Turnover Worthy Plays %
• 14th in Adjusted Completion %
• 10th in Pressure to Sack %

How to justify him being Top Ten? Intangibles, man....team is 5-2, he plays the most important position. IDK, he's more like 12th at best.

we were instructed to ignore the teammates and coach. That justifies Herbert being higher than he would if we included those, and Lawrence.
I’m not thrilled that two of the best young QBs in the league are in the AFC south, plus the physical freak who will be scary if he can put it together.

 

[BobbyLayne]

I see I probably missed a few for Lawrence for the posters who cused Tiers or Categories...



Another outlier in my mind is Goff. Lost of mentions, let's look at the context:

• OP has him 10th
• --
• Good solid QBs but not franchise QB
• 10th Goff (has improved dramatically)
• 8th
• --
• 7th
• 9th
• 10th
• Franchise QB, not sure they’d be able to win it by putting the team on their back but they have a good chance (7th through 12th? 6 listed in two tiers above this comment)

Coming off his worst game of the year, here's is where we are at on Goff:

• PFF Grade 85.7 (5th)
• 12th in Big Time Throws
• 2nd in Turnover Worthy Play %
• 3rd best BTT to TWP ratio
• 2nd Adjusted Completion %
• 2nd Most Dropped Passes Thrown on Target
• 13th in lowest Pressure to Sack %
• 6th in first downs (includes rushing FDs)
• 10th in NFL Passer Rating
• 5th in QBR
• 9th Completion %
• 6th Passing Yards
• 6th TDs
• 7th lowest INT %
• 3rd TD:INT ratio
• 5th in passing first downs
• 7th Net Yards Per Attempt

Two of us have him 7th, everyone else has him bottom third or unmentioned on their lists. Underrated?

 

[wlwiles]

Been thinking about this all day, and it's very difficult to say "for the rest of the season" but ignore their coach/teammates/current situation. The closest I can get to wrapping my head around Joe's original intent is to think of it as "if you could take one of these QB's and drop them onto a random team, what would you get?" What would Mahomes look like without Kelce? What about Purdy without Shanny & that defense? What if you put Herbert into the Philly offense? Etc. Maybe I'm mis-thinking it but here's mine.

1 - Mahomes
2 - Allen
3 - Herbert
4 - Lamar
5 - Burrow
6 - Cousins
7 - Lawrence
8 - Stafford
9 - Dak
10 - Goff

 

[Joe Bryant]

Been thinking about this all day, and it's very difficult to say "for the rest of the season" but ignore their coach/teammates/current situation. The closest I can get to wrapping my head around Joe's original intent is to think of it as "if you could take one of these QB's and drop them onto a random team, what would you get?"

Agreed. It's a tough decision!

And yes, I think you're looking at it exactly the right way.

As best you can, try to remove the current surrounding cast. Like Brock Purdy in Pittsburgh would be different I'm sure than Brock Purdy in San Francisco. That kind of thing.

 

[Deamon]

1. Mahomes
2. Allen
3. Burrow
———————
4. Herbert
5. Jackson
———————
6. Hurts
7. Lawrence
———————
8. Stafford
9. Goff
10. Cousins/Purdy/Tua (Can't decide)

 

[Ilov80s]

I’ll list ten but by tiers

ELITE franchise QB, lock it up
Mahomes
Allen
Lamar

ELITE but not a lock
Burrow
Lawrence
Herbert

Franchise QB, not sure they’d be able to win it by putting the team on their back but they have a good chance
Hurts
Stafford
Tua
Dak
Goff
Stroud

Interesting to me that so many seem to prefer Herbert and Lawrence to Hurts. I personally do not.

 

[Ilov80s]

Been thinking about this all day, and it's very difficult to say "for the rest of the season" but ignore their coach/teammates/current situation. The closest I can get to wrapping my head around Joe's original intent is to think of it as "if you could take one of these QB's and drop them onto a random team, what would you get?" What would Mahomes look like without Kelce? What about Purdy without Shanny & that defense? What if you put Herbert into the Philly offense? Etc. Maybe I'm mis-thinking it but here's mine.

1 - Mahomes
2 - Allen
3 - Herbert
4 - Lamar
5 - Burrow
6 - Cousins
7 - Lawrence
8 - Stafford
9 - Dak
10 - Goff

Wow, truly wild to me that you have Dak, Stafford, Goff and Cousins over Hurts. Is there something in particular you don't like about Hurts game?

 

[-OZ-]

I’ll list ten but by tiers

ELITE franchise QB, lock it up
Mahomes
Allen
Lamar

ELITE but not a lock
Burrow
Lawrence
Herbert

Franchise QB, not sure they’d be able to win it by putting the team on their back but they have a good chance
Hurts
Stafford
Tua
Dak
Goff
Stroud

Interesting to me that so many seem to prefer Herbert and Lawrence to Hurts. I personally do not.

I actually like hurts more. I just think he wouldn’t do as well on a lesser team.