Which lame duck QB will get another starting gig? (1 Viewer)

[bigreese82]

Trying to figure out who gets a 2nd chance after the #2 qb takes over. Some of these guys are dropping really low in Dynasty drafts because people realize they will be gone in 1-2 years

Who gets another starting gig elsewhere?

 

[ILoveMyLions]

Trying to figure out who gets a 2nd chance after the #2 qb takes over. Some of these guys are dropping really low in Dynasty drafts because people realize they will be gone in 1-2 years

Who gets another starting gig elsewhere?

This is assuming that Plummer does lose the job to Cutler in the next year which might not happen. It could be two years until Cutler sees the field depending on how Plummer and the Broncos do this year.

 

[Warpig]

Pennington probably because of his youth (depending on how his shoulders look this year). I like Volek too. The guy has proven that he can chuck the ball and has had some huge games (dear god...look what Rob Johnson got after ONE 300 yard game!). Volek also seems like he has his head on straight and is a good team player.

 

[msommer]

Null vote since I believe at least Brook and Plummer, possibly also Pennington will get another shot - when they are eventually pushed aside

 

[Chase Stuart]

What makes Chad Pennington and Aaron Brooks lame duck QBs, but not Mark Brunell, Brett Favre, Trent Green and Brad Johnson?

All those players are on teams that drafted QBs on the first day the past two years (so did the Chargers and Seahawks, but I left Rivers and Hasselbeck off the list.)

 

[wannabee]

I see Plummer, if he left Denver, as a viable veteran starting QB.

 

[bigreese82]

What makes Chad Pennington and Aaron Brooks lame duck QBs, but not Mark Brunell, Brett Favre, Trent Green and Brad Johnson?

All those players are on teams that drafted QBs on the first day the past two years (so did the Chargers and Seahawks, but I left Rivers and Hasselbeck off the list.)

I left Brunell, Farve,Green, and Johnson off because of their ageFarve should retire next year??

Brunell will probably retire in next 1-2 years

Green will probably retire in next 1-2 years

Johnson will probably retire in next 1-2 years

 

[Bri]

I don't understand the Brooks one, like Chase said, doesn't seem you answerred that in the reply. Seems like he's already got another starting gig and is a step ahead of this poll.

Plummer's low INT total last year was awesome. IIRC He had a bad game too so over 15 games it's even more impressive. If he keeps that up Cutler is gonna have a hard time taking his spot.

Warner IMO only has a little bit of time but if he plays very well he can keep Leinart on the Bench. While I don't expect he'll be like his MVP days he could easily average 300 yards a game. I don't think you bench that for a young QB. That city/team/coach needs to get a playoff game under their belt this year if possible. Moreso than anywhere else, I think it'd have a huge impact esp after following the giant rise in ticket sales they had this offseason. So IMO if Warner is 4-0 5-1 5-2....if the team looks on a path for the playoffs then Leinart sits tight. If not he's brought in as a spark. I don't know if he can provide the spark but that'd be why he's brought in. Anyhow, let's see how well Warner does before we judge. It seems he has 2 of the best WRs and one of the best receiving RBs and very hard for him to fail.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

What makes Chad Pennington and Aaron Brooks lame duck QBs, but not Mark Brunell, Brett Favre, Trent Green and Brad Johnson?

All those players are on teams that drafted QBs on the first day the past two years (so did the Chargers and Seahawks, but I left Rivers and Hasselbeck off the list.)

Purely an age issue.Any QB over 34 that is on the tail end of a contract has to be viewed as on his last contract for the most part.

I went with Plummer, but a strong showing by Volek here in '06 would be very intriguing.

(See Brees after Philips was drafted - Pro Bowl year.....)

 

[bigreese82]

I don't understand the Brooks one, like Chase said, doesn't seem you answerred that in the reply. Seems like he's already got another starting gig and is a step ahead of this poll.

Most people here look as Brooks as being a one year fix. Maybe becuase he is a better fantasy qb than NFL qb. I don't assume he'll be the Raiders qb in 2 years...who knows thoughPlummer's low INT total last year was awesome. IIRC He had a bad game too so over 15 games it's even more impressive. If he keeps that up Cutler is gonna have a hard time taking his spot.

Why did they draft Cutler in the first? Wonder does the F.O view Plummer as the Bronco's top qb prospect in 3 years down the road. He's not really that old either

 

[Bri]

I don't understand the Brooks one, like Chase said, doesn't seem you answerred that in the reply. Seems like he's already got another starting gig and is a step ahead of this poll.

Most people here look as Brooks as being a one year fix. Maybe becuase he is a better fantasy qb than NFL qb. I don't assume he'll be the Raiders qb in 2 years...who knows though

Plummer's low INT total last year was awesome. IIRC He had a bad game too so over 15 games it's even more impressive. If he keeps that up Cutler is gonna have a hard time taking his spot.

Why did they draft Cutler in the first? Wonder does the F.O view Plummer as the Bronco's top qb prospect in 3 years down the road. He's not really that old either

(tried to fix quotes)That's a good Q with Cutler. I would guess that Plummer repeating that low INT total is not expected.

I don't consider Brooks as a one year fix. Raiders keep QBs into their 40s so they have a different definition of longevity than the rest of the NFL.

 

[bigreese82]

When talking about Pennington and Brooks..... Clemens looks to be the qb of the future in NYJ..or present along with Walter in Oakland

 

[Bri]

When talking about Pennington and Brooks..... Clemens looks to be the qb of the future in NYJ..or present along with Walter in Oakland

The Raiders don't start young QBs.

 

[SSOG]

Trying to figure out who gets a 2nd chance after the #2 qb takes over. Some of these guys are dropping really low in Dynasty drafts because people realize they will be gone in 1-2 years

Who gets another starting gig elsewhere?

This is assuming that Plummer does lose the job to Cutler in the next year which might not happen. It could be two years until Cutler sees the field depending on how Plummer and the Broncos do this year.

I agree. Unless Denver falls apart this season or next offseason, I would expect Plummer to start for at least two more years (this year and next). I also think he'll land a starting gig after he leaves, because he's simply too good to not be starting. I'd say he's easily one of the 10 best QBs in the NFL, and he's proven every single knock against him coming out of Arizona to be wrong. He's not mistake prone (lowest INT% in the league last year), and he's definitely a winner (since he came to Denver, only Brady and Manning have a higher winning%).

Why did they draft Cutler in the first? Wonder does the F.O view Plummer as the Bronco's top qb prospect in 3 years down the road. He's not really that old either

In the 11 years of the Mike Shanahan tenure, Denver hadn't had a single pick higher than 15th overall. You rarely get a chance at a Franchise QB type outside of the top 10, let alone the top 15. I can very easily see Mike Shanahan saying "It might be another decade before we have a shot at a QB like this again, so I have to grab him now while I can".It's a funny concept, drafting based on "Best Player Available" rather than need. Every team says that's what they do, but the reality is, very few teams actually practice it. Denver didn't NEED a QB, but he was the best player available, so they got him. I suspect, 3 years from now, they'll really benefit from their foresight.

A good comparison, I think, is Joe Montana/Steve Young. Granted, neither Plummer nor Cutler even deserves to be compared to them on a talent or success basis, but I think the situation is pretty similar. San Francisco didn't NEED another QB, but they still went out and got Steve Young when they had the chance, because they absolutely loved his talent. The result was a much smoother transition from one QB to the next than normally happens.

 

[bigreese82]

Just for note...Plummer's cap number jumps 3.5 million this year

He has a higher cap number than Brady and about 80% of starting qbs this year

 

[SSOG]

Just for note...Plummer's cap number jumps 3.5 million this year

He has a higher cap number than Brady and about 80% of starting qbs this year

Another thing worth mentioning is that Plummer has absolutely no guaranteed money remaining in the life of his contract. I'm pretty sure that Denver could cut or trade him without any salary cap ramifications at all. That said, I really don't see it happening (except possibly as a trade after next season).Also, while his cap number might be "high" this year (3.5 mil isn't really high at all for a starting QB), I seem to recall that it'll be lower next year and the year after (since there's no more guaranteed money or prorated signing bonus).

 

[bigreese82]

Just for note...Plummer's cap number jumps 3.5 million this year

He has a higher cap number than Brady and about 80% of starting qbs this year

Another thing worth mentioning is that Plummer has absolutely no guaranteed money remaining in the life of his contract. I'm pretty sure that Denver could cut or trade him without any salary cap ramifications at all. That said, I really don't see it happening (except possibly as a trade after next season).Also, while his cap number might be "high" this year (3.5 mil isn't really high at all for a starting QB), I seem to recall that it'll be lower next year and the year after (since there's no more guaranteed money or prorated signing bonus).

His cap number jumps 3.5 million...Here is his cap numbersJake Plummer, Denver Broncos

Year Salary

2003 530,000

2004 660,000

2005 665,000

2006 4,300,000

2007 5,300,000

2008 4,800,000

2009 5,800,000

 

[SSOG]

Just for note...Plummer's cap number jumps 3.5 million this year

He has a higher cap number than Brady and about 80% of starting qbs this year

Another thing worth mentioning is that Plummer has absolutely no guaranteed money remaining in the life of his contract. I'm pretty sure that Denver could cut or trade him without any salary cap ramifications at all. That said, I really don't see it happening (except possibly as a trade after next season).Also, while his cap number might be "high" this year (3.5 mil isn't really high at all for a starting QB), I seem to recall that it'll be lower next year and the year after (since there's no more guaranteed money or prorated signing bonus).

His cap number jumps 3.5 million...Here is his cap numbersJake Plummer, Denver Broncos

Year Salary

2003 530,000

2004 660,000

2005 665,000

2006 4,300,000

2007 5,300,000

2008 4,800,000

2009 5,800,000

Surprising numbers. I had assumed that, with all of the guaranteed money now gone, his cap values would start going down.

 

[Bri]

It's a funny concept, drafting based on "Best Player Available" rather than need. Every team says that's what they do, but the reality is, very few teams actually practice it. Denver didn't NEED a QB, but he was the best player available, so they got him. I suspect, 3 years from now, they'll really benefit from their foresight.

A good comparison, I think, is Joe Montana/Steve Young. Granted, neither Plummer nor Cutler even deserves to be compared to them on a talent or success basis, but I think the situation is pretty similar. San Francisco didn't NEED another QB, but they still went out and got Steve Young when they had the chance, because they absolutely loved his talent. The result was a much smoother transition from one QB to the next than normally happens.

tampa drafted young not san fran

 

[SSOG]

It's a funny concept, drafting based on "Best Player Available" rather than need. Every team says that's what they do, but the reality is, very few teams actually practice it. Denver didn't NEED a QB, but he was the best player available, so they got him. I suspect, 3 years from now, they'll really benefit from their foresight.

A good comparison, I think, is Joe Montana/Steve Young. Granted, neither Plummer nor Cutler even deserves to be compared to them on a talent or success basis, but I think the situation is pretty similar. San Francisco didn't NEED another QB, but they still went out and got Steve Young when they had the chance, because they absolutely loved his talent. The result was a much smoother transition from one QB to the next than normally happens.

tampa drafted young not san fran

I never said that San Fran drafted Young. I just said that they made acquiring Young a priority, despite the fact that they already had Joe Montana (who was still easily one of the top-5 QBs in the league).

 

[MLBrandow]

Just for note...Plummer's cap number jumps 3.5 million this year

He has a higher cap number than Brady and about 80% of starting qbs this year

Another thing worth mentioning is that Plummer has absolutely no guaranteed money remaining in the life of his contract. I'm pretty sure that Denver could cut or trade him without any salary cap ramifications at all. That said, I really don't see it happening (except possibly as a trade after next season).Also, while his cap number might be "high" this year (3.5 mil isn't really high at all for a starting QB), I seem to recall that it'll be lower next year and the year after (since there's no more guaranteed money or prorated signing bonus).

His cap number jumps 3.5 million...Here is his cap numbersJake Plummer, Denver Broncos

Year Salary

2003 530,000

2004 660,000

2005 665,000

2006 4,300,000

2007 5,300,000

2008 4,800,000

2009 5,800,000

Surprising numbers. I had assumed that, with all of the guaranteed money now gone, his cap values would start going down.

That is the magic of backloaded contracts. They gave him "all of that guaranteed money" so that when he's scheduled to make $5.3M and they release him, the cap number will mitigate the loss from guaranteed money.... so they can dump him for free.That surprised me as well looking at it... and now I understand completely why they drafted Cutler.

Cutler will start sometime this year, which does not bode well for the postseason hopes of Denver.

 

[ShotGunStyle]

Plummer and Brooks, because both have a ton of experience and are young enough to play more than a stop gap role.

 

[Bob_Magaw]

i think it depends on how they look... even warner, if he looks great next couple years, could conceivably land elsewhere...

he wouldn't make as much at 35 as if he was 25... teams might lowball him... but he might take what he can get... there is a precedent for QBs starting that are older than warner (gannon few years ago)...

 

[Deranged Hermit]

Just for note...Plummer's cap number jumps 3.5 million this year

He has a higher cap number than Brady and about 80% of starting qbs this year

Another thing worth mentioning is that Plummer has absolutely no guaranteed money remaining in the life of his contract. I'm pretty sure that Denver could cut or trade him without any salary cap ramifications at all. That said, I really don't see it happening (except possibly as a trade after next season).Also, while his cap number might be "high" this year (3.5 mil isn't really high at all for a starting QB), I seem to recall that it'll be lower next year and the year after (since there's no more guaranteed money or prorated signing bonus).

His cap number jumps 3.5 million...Here is his cap numbersJake Plummer, Denver Broncos

Year Salary

2003 530,000

2004 660,000

2005 665,000

2006 4,300,000

2007 5,300,000

2008 4,800,000

2009 5,800,000

Surprising numbers. I had assumed that, with all of the guaranteed money now gone, his cap values would start going down.

That is the magic of backloaded contracts. They gave him "all of that guaranteed money" so that when he's scheduled to make $5.3M and they release him, the cap number will mitigate the loss from guaranteed money.... so they can dump him for free.That surprised me as well looking at it... and now I understand completely why they drafted Cutler.

Cutler will start sometime this year, which does not bode well for the postseason hopes of Denver.

You gotta be kidding me. The only way Cutler starts is if Plummer gets hurt and maybe not even than.

 

[SSOG]

That is the magic of backloaded contracts. They gave him "all of that guaranteed money" so that when he's scheduled to make $5.3M and they release him, the cap number will mitigate the loss from guaranteed money.... so they can dump him for free.

That surprised me as well looking at it... and now I understand completely why they drafted Cutler.

Cutler will start sometime this year, which does not bode well for the postseason hopes of Denver.

Again, according to my understanding of Plummer's contract, if they cut him next season, he would count $0 against the cap. It's not a case of the cap relief outweighing the cap hit... the way I understood it, it was a case of there NOT BEING A CAP HIT.Anyway, Cutler's not starting this season unless Plummer gets hurt. Which isn't a great bet- Plummer's only missed time in one of the last 5 seasons. In fact, in 2004, he and Aaron Brooks were the only QBs in the NFL who attempted every single one of their team's passes.

Cutler only sees the field if Plummer gets injured, which isn't a good bet. And even if he does, Cutler's a big improvement over the guy who was #2 last year (Bradlee Van Pelt). I agree that it's not good for our playoff hopes, in much the same way that losing Manning or McNabb or Brady wouldn't be good for Indy/Philly/NE's playoff hopes.