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Which lifestyle is healthier? (1 Viewer)
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Thorpe
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IMO healthiness has to do with being slim and exercising where you get your heart rate to 130+ and keep it there.
The problem with desk jobs is you get bored and there is always a vending machine nearby, and after work you are too tired to exercise.
Most active jobs wouldn't get your heart up too much...
The problem with desk jobs is you get bored and there is always a vending machine nearby, and after work you are too tired to exercise.
Most active jobs wouldn't get your heart up too much...
AAABatteries
Footballguy
But on the flip side, a lot of people (many here in the FFA) will make more money working the desk jobs which in turn pays for health insurance, gym memberships, organic grass fed hand massaged by a sexy Asian girl Kobe beef, etc etc.
The actual desk job is unhealthy but the benefits are there to improve over all health.
The actual desk job is unhealthy but the benefits are there to improve over all health.
Max Power
Footballguy
until you have kids who suck the life from you. Soccer, ballet, band, scholastic club....
culdeus
Footballguy
Its going to depend. And there really arent that many super active jobs anymore.
Most of the hard manual labor work is done by machines like bobcats chainsaws and ditch diggers.
A ups driver might be the most modern example. No idea what their health looks like. Would be worth looking at.
Manual labor can get you in bad mechanical position compared to a barbell or a pool. Injuries are common. Must factor that in as well.
In a pinch I would lean office guy without context of the other side.
Most of the hard manual labor work is done by machines like bobcats chainsaws and ditch diggers.
A ups driver might be the most modern example. No idea what their health looks like. Would be worth looking at.
Manual labor can get you in bad mechanical position compared to a barbell or a pool. Injuries are common. Must factor that in as well.
In a pinch I would lean office guy without context of the other side.
bigmarc27
Footballguy
This article is about smoking, but it has a statistical piece I feel is relevant here...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/americas-new-tobacco-crisis-the-rich-stopped-smoking-the-poor-didnt/2017/06/13/a63b42ba-4c8c-11e7-9669-250d0b15f83b_story.html?hpid=hp_rhp-top-table-main_stillsmoking-155am%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.d44f2305167e
Chart two shows life expectancy by smoking and non, and by education level. The education level is the piece that applies here showing that persons with an education of college or more live 3.5 years longer than HS or less.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/americas-new-tobacco-crisis-the-rich-stopped-smoking-the-poor-didnt/2017/06/13/a63b42ba-4c8c-11e7-9669-250d0b15f83b_story.html?hpid=hp_rhp-top-table-main_stillsmoking-155am%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.d44f2305167e
Chart two shows life expectancy by smoking and non, and by education level. The education level is the piece that applies here showing that persons with an education of college or more live 3.5 years longer than HS or less.
KCitons
Footballguy
I think there are a lot of jobs that keep you on your feet, moving, bending, lifting, etc. As I mentioned earlier, my dad was a commercial garage door repairman. He was up and down ladders, assembling rails, and lifting operators above his head. (but probably never got his heart rate above 110) Some others that come to mind.culdeus said:
Carpenter
Electrician
Plumber
Warehouse - the company I use to work for had 300 employees on their feet for eight hours (now it's 10 hours) They would move boxes from pallets to rollers, then from the rollers to the pallets.
(also, the first three can pay as well as some desk jobs.
culdeus
Footballguy
Not sure average heart rate is the metric I would choose. I might choose some metric of bmi resting heart rate and some traditional fitness measures like the military uses.
Elevating heart rate like in steady stare cardio isn't really holding up in science based literature. Brief bouts of high exertion seems to be the key.
KCitons
Footballguy
I've been out of work now for about 6 weeks. (first two weeks I spent traveling) I've tried to stay active with projects, nothing too strenuous. But, I'm not sitting in a cubicle for 9 hours a day. I've lost 8 lbs in the past month.
I should probably increase my day drunk frequency.
I should probably increase my day drunk frequency.
-OZ-
Footballguy
I like the German basic fitness test.
Three events completed within 90 minutes.
a. 11x10-meter sprint test, in maximum time of 60 seconds
GOLDSILVERBRONZE
35-42 sec.43-48 sec.49-60 sec
b. Flexed Arm Hang keeping chin above bar, minimum time of five seconds.
GOLDSILVERBRONZE
65-86 sec.45-64 sec.05-44 sec
c. 1000 meter run/sprint, maximum time of six minutes and thirty seconds
GOLDSILVERBRONZE
2:50-3:45 min.3:46-4:40 min.4:41-6:30 min.
The score for each event is determined using a grading point matrix. The scores are then averaged to determine what level badge you qualify for.
But really I don't think we're talking about fitness in this thread. The focus here should be health, which isn't evaluated well in the military.
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mr roboto
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mr roboto
Footballguy
2 running tests and essentially a bicep/back strength test isn't exactly comprehensive. What if you have a bum knee?
DocHolliday
Footballguy
The correct answer is the active day job. Sure, still laying block or digging ditches all dayafter you are 50 is going to be tough on your body. However, having a job that keeps you moving all day without putting great stress on your joints such as a plumber, electrician, plumber, painter etc. is going to keep you fit.
NutterButter
Footballguy
I eat a few small meals throughout the day while I work or surf. I don't shower after my ride. I typically ride during lunch when the weather is between 50 and 80 so with the head wind while riding, I don't sweat very much. When its colder than that, I go for a hike and if hotter, Im riding in the morning.
-OZ-
Footballguy
There are multiple destinations horses can find themselves, some good, some bad.
Because of their size, strength and temperament, racehorses can be difficult to retrain, but some end up with police, riding schools, as therapy horses or being ridden by clerks of the course. Some horses simply change disciplines and perform in polo, dressage, show jumping or cross-country. Others become breeders.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
The question isnt nearly specific enough to answer.
KCitons
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KCitons
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ghostguy123
Footballguy
What jobs exactly?
Need to know the dynamincs as far as the type of physical labor and stress involved in each job.
Without it cant really answer.
A sixty-minute workout is to healthy activity what a vitamin pill is to good nutrition. It's better than nothing, but it's not going to reverse the ill effects of (sedentariness the rest of the day) / (a steady diet of fried foods and cake).
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If elevated heart rate were enough to promote health, I'd recommend watching a lot of scary movies.
That said, steady-state cardio and high-intensity intervals both have their places. They induce different beneficial adaptations, so people should do both (if they are interested in overall health rather than optimizing for a single, specific activity).
Both steady-state cardio and HIIT-style training will burn calories, improve body composition, and increase VO2 max. But they have different effects on the heart. They both induce hypertrophy (the heart is a muscle that will grow in response to stress), but intense exercise tends to increase wall thickness from the inside of the left ventricle. This does not increase the volume of blood that can be pumped, and may cause stiffness in the absence of traditional cardio training. Steady-state cardio, on the other hand, increases wall thickness while expanding the ventricle overall -- which both increases volume of blood per pump and enhances pliability of the ventricular walls. Avoiding steady-state cardio completely therefore seems like a bad idea for most people.
Kenneth Jay's The Cardio Code goes into detail on this point, summarizing what is found in all textbooks on exercise physiology, but what is frequently misrepresented in magazine articles and on the internet. (It's also worth pointing out that the original paper about the tabata protocol is often cited as support for the met-con benefits of high-intensity intervals -- but what's commonly overlooked is that the warm-up and cool-down periods in that protocol were steady-state cardio activities that constituted 75% of the program by time.)
the moops
Footballguy
NutterButter
Footballguy
Not sure sweat has anything to do with whether you're getting a good workout. Put me in a warm enough bathroom, I'll get a good sweat taking a dump.
mr roboto
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CurlyNight
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boilerdave
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ghostguy123
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