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Which owner should be stripped of his team? (2 Viewers)

Which owner deserves the boot most?

  • Donald Sterling-Los Angeles Clippers

    Votes: 54 51.4%
  • Jim Irsay-Indianapolis Colts

    Votes: 7 6.7%
  • Jeffrey Loria-Miami Marlins

    Votes: 8 7.6%
  • Jerry Jones-Dallas Cowboys

    Votes: 25 23.8%
  • Someone else to be discussed below

    Votes: 11 10.5%

  • Total voters
    105
TobiasFunke said:
NCCommish said:
TobiasFunke said:
NCCommish said:
B Maverick said:
Keep in mind that Sterling has a history of this. And up until recently he refused to put a good product on the court letting his stars go at the end of their deals and not keeping anyone to build around. He was the most profitable owner in the NBA and was consistently considered the worst owner in sports.

I do believe this is just the icing on the cake and a good way to use the outcry to remove a bad owner. Had this been a one time "mistake" then maybe it isnt worth ousting him. But he has a history of badness.
I just think that when it comes to voting someone out the owners are going to look in the mirror and say "what if I want to be cheap?" "What if I have a sidepiece and say something I shouldn't?". At the end of the day most of these guys have probably used the N word about a player. More than a few have probably had affairs. Hard to vote him out when you might be next. But we'll see.
If anyone actually thinks this is a "we'll see" situation I'll offer you 4 to 1 on the owners' vote.
I think it is a we'll see. They didn't vote out Shinn and he was sued multiple times for sexual harrasment along with being cheap and shady.
You're wrong. But if you think you're right a friendly wager is on the table.
I don't do wagers with people on the internet. Wagering doesn't prove much and there are often issues with payment. In the end we'll see.
:kicksrock:

Silver wouldn't take the actions he's taken and push for a vote like he did if he hadn't already surveyed the owners. And in any even this is vastly different from cheating on your wife or getting a DUI or something. It's not about the severity of the sin or the harm caused, it's about what it says about the person. Abhorrent behavior is very different from abhorrent beliefs. We've all done the former from time to time, few of us have the latter to the degree Sterling does.

 
whichever owner is sanctioned in such a way by their fellow owners in accordance with league guidelines

I am not a big fan of hysterical politically motivated hacks telling these leagues how they should conduct their business. If there is a mechanism for owner removal and it is exercised in accordance with league by laws then THAT is the owner who should be removed

if someone else would like to mandate how these leagues and their owners have to conduct business and who they allow to run a portion of their business i believe we have some communist friends over seas that you could get in touch with to champion your cause

let the free market reign, the market has spoken, and Sterling is on his way out

viva america

 
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whichever owner is sanctioned in such a way by their fellow owners in accordance with league guidelines

I am not a big fan of hysterical politically motivated hacks telling these leagues how they should conduct their business. If there is a mechanism for owner removal and it is exercised in accordance with league by laws then THAT is the owner who should be removes

if someone else would like to mandate how these leagues and their owners have to conduct business and who they allow to run a portion of their business i believe we have some communist friends over seas that you could get in touch with to champion your cause

let the free market reign, the market has spoken, and Sterling is on his way out

viva america
:goodposting:

 
I'm not a fan of the NBA at all, but when you have a history of intentionally putting a bad product onto the playing surface, combined with negative attitudes towards a huge amount of the workforce in the sport in question, you really don't deserve to own a team. I can overlook being a drunk, a terrible owner who constantly empties his team of talent (Speaking of which, Tigers fans thank you for Miguel Cabrera and Anibal Sanchez, Jeff), and even a guy with an ego too big for even Texas, but there's simply no room for racism in today's society.

 
None of the above
I agree.........A fine and warning would be sufficient. I would hate to have a league who could take a team away based on insensitive words alone, where would it stop.
I would hate to have a league that was powerless to do anything as an owner sabatoged the other owners and the league, where would it stop?

luckily, before you buy and NBA team you know the rules and are aware of the powers of the other owners

 
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I don't see where they are powerless. Again if they want to fine or suspend etc. have at it......But any owner who votes for stripping him of the team better know for sure that they aren't going to slip up and say anything offensive or that may be deemed offensive.

 
I don't see where they are powerless. Again if they want to fine or suspend etc. have at it......But any owner who votes for stripping him of the team better know for sure that they aren't going to slip up and say anything offensive or that may be deemed offensive.
I feel like most people are pretty confident that they're never gonna say anything as awful as what Sterling said. And if they're not confident in that I don't much care what happens to them.

 
I don't see where they are powerless. Again if they want to fine or suspend etc. have at it......But any owner who votes for stripping him of the team better know for sure that they aren't going to slip up and say anything offensive or that may be deemed offensive.
the owners control it, who are we to tell them what their votes mean?

they know each other, they should know if it is a slippery slope or not much better than some external alarmists who want them to watch their league burn just to defend an idiot

Cuban is offensive by nature, he's never been put to a vote, because he did not incite possible boycotts, lose sponsors, create labor issues, and drag the league into the mud with him

on the contrary any owner who votes not to dismiss him may be sending a message that you can freely piss on the business interests of the other 29 owners and they are helpless to do anything

ultimately though, neither you nor i know what their votes mean because it is a closed group that decides among itself and answers to itself. If Sterling is unhappy with that perhaps it is best if he does leave

 
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I am just sick of people trying to tell these owners what they should think and how they should run their business. If they think this guy is worthless trash that is their business, if it is a slippery slope and they want to grease up and go bellywhopping down it so be it.

they are successful businessman and have earned the right to run their business without people on here telling them they have to champion an idiot who risks their damaging business.

 
I don't see where they are powerless. Again if they want to fine or suspend etc. have at it......But any owner who votes for stripping him of the team better know for sure that they aren't going to slip up and say anything offensive or that may be deemed offensive.
the owners control it, who are we to tell them what their votes mean?

they know each other, they should know if it is a slippery slope or not much better than some external alarmists who want them to watch their league burn just to defend an idiot

Cuban is offensive by nature, he's never been put to a vote, because he did not incite possible boycotts, lose sponsors, create labor issues, and drag the league into the mud with him

on the contrary any owner who votes not to dismiss him may be sending a message that you can freely piss on the business interests of the other 29 owners and they are helpless to do anything

ultimately though, neither you nor i know what their votes mean because it is a closed group that decides among itself and answers to itself. If Sterling is unhappy with that perhaps it is best if he does leave
Cuban is probably not a yes vote and if anyone thinks he's the only one they are fooling themselves. As I said earlier I bet there aren't very many owners who haven't been a little racist at times. Another thing to consider is they may not want to give the players anymore power which this vote would. I mean the commish says he is getting advised by Lebron amongst others. And lastly they know full well Sterling has money, lawyers and a bad attitude. He isn't going to just slink away this is going to get messy. All skeletons are coming out if this get litigious.

 
I don't see where they are powerless. Again if they want to fine or suspend etc. have at it......But any owner who votes for stripping him of the team better know for sure that they aren't going to slip up and say anything offensive or that may be deemed offensive.
the owners control it, who are we to tell them what their votes mean?

they know each other, they should know if it is a slippery slope or not much better than some external alarmists who want them to watch their league burn just to defend an idiot

Cuban is offensive by nature, he's never been put to a vote, because he did not incite possible boycotts, lose sponsors, create labor issues, and drag the league into the mud with him

on the contrary any owner who votes not to dismiss him may be sending a message that you can freely piss on the business interests of the other 29 owners and they are helpless to do anything

ultimately though, neither you nor i know what their votes mean because it is a closed group that decides among itself and answers to itself. If Sterling is unhappy with that perhaps it is best if he does leave
Cuban is probably not a yes vote and if anyone thinks he's the only one they are fooling themselves. As I said earlier I bet there aren't very many owners who haven't been a little racist at times. Another thing to consider is they may not want to give the players anymore power which this vote would. I mean the commish says he is getting advised by Lebron amongst others. And lastly they know full well Sterling has money, lawyers and a bad attitude. He isn't going to just slink away this is going to get messy. All skeletons are coming out if this get litigious.
had the players boycotted the league would be in a world of hurt. this is not about him being racist, they knew that, this is about him making racoist comments that became public and started a cascade of sponsors dropping the clippers and rumors of boycotts by fans and talk of boycotts among players, and threatened to raise other issues

he could be as racist as he wants till it hurt the league

and i think cuban votes yes

 
I am just sick of people trying to tell these owners what they should think and how they should run their business. If they think this guy is worthless trash that is their business, if it is a slippery slope and they want to grease up and go bellywhopping down it so be it.

they are successful businessman and have earned the right to run their business without people on here telling them they have to champion an idiot who risks their damaging business.
And yet by a voting for dismissal that is exactly what they would be doing.......Telling owners what they can think, say and how to run their business. If the fans, players and sponsors are offended enough by his words and beliefs his business will suffer, and the market will dictate if he stays in business/ownership.

 
I don't see where they are powerless. Again if they want to fine or suspend etc. have at it......But any owner who votes for stripping him of the team better know for sure that they aren't going to slip up and say anything offensive or that may be deemed offensive.
the owners control it, who are we to tell them what their votes mean?

they know each other, they should know if it is a slippery slope or not much better than some external alarmists who want them to watch their league burn just to defend an idiot

Cuban is offensive by nature, he's never been put to a vote, because he did not incite possible boycotts, lose sponsors, create labor issues, and drag the league into the mud with him

on the contrary any owner who votes not to dismiss him may be sending a message that you can freely piss on the business interests of the other 29 owners and they are helpless to do anything

ultimately though, neither you nor i know what their votes mean because it is a closed group that decides among itself and answers to itself. If Sterling is unhappy with that perhaps it is best if he does leave
Cuban is probably not a yes vote and if anyone thinks he's the only one they are fooling themselves. As I said earlier I bet there aren't very many owners who haven't been a little racist at times. Another thing to consider is they may not want to give the players anymore power which this vote would. I mean the commish says he is getting advised by Lebron amongst others. And lastly they know full well Sterling has money, lawyers and a bad attitude. He isn't going to just slink away this is going to get messy. All skeletons are coming out if this get litigious.
I really think you're wildly overplaying this in several respects. Cuban is going to vote yes, as are the other 28 owners if I had a guess. They're not going to see the same slippery slope arguments that people on message boards who feel compelled to find two sides in a one-sided story are reaching for. They won't see it as "giving the players any more power"- it's about the public and consumers, not they players- a player boycott on an issue where the public didn't back their position would be useless. And there's no real chance for skeletons to come out- it's not like you can walk into a deposition on interpretation of NBA bylaws and just start talking about that time Jerry Reinsdorf made an off-color joke about a waitress at Charlie Trotter's. Although if anyone could go off-topic at a deposition it would be Sterling. Plus Sterling has zero credibility, so whatever he claims, true or false, can be easily dismissed.

 
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No owners should have their teams taken from them.

This isn't nationalized or community property. They bought the team and own it. To take it from them is what some folks like to call stealing. To make them sell is likely illegal as well.
Way to show a complete lack of understanding of major league sports in the U.S.

 
I don't see where they are powerless. Again if they want to fine or suspend etc. have at it......But any owner who votes for stripping him of the team better know for sure that they aren't going to slip up and say anything offensive or that may be deemed offensive.
the owners control it, who are we to tell them what their votes mean?

they know each other, they should know if it is a slippery slope or not much better than some external alarmists who want them to watch their league burn just to defend an idiot

Cuban is offensive by nature, he's never been put to a vote, because he did not incite possible boycotts, lose sponsors, create labor issues, and drag the league into the mud with him

on the contrary any owner who votes not to dismiss him may be sending a message that you can freely piss on the business interests of the other 29 owners and they are helpless to do anything

ultimately though, neither you nor i know what their votes mean because it is a closed group that decides among itself and answers to itself. If Sterling is unhappy with that perhaps it is best if he does leave
Cuban is probably not a yes vote and if anyone thinks he's the only one they are fooling themselves. As I said earlier I bet there aren't very many owners who haven't been a little racist at times. Another thing to consider is they may not want to give the players anymore power which this vote would. I mean the commish says he is getting advised by Lebron amongst others. And lastly they know full well Sterling has money, lawyers and a bad attitude. He isn't going to just slink away this is going to get messy. All skeletons are coming out if this get litigious.
I really think you're wildly overplaying this in several respects. Cuban is going to vote yes, as are the other 28 owners if I had a guess. They're not going to see the same slippery slope arguments that people on message boards who feel compelled to find two sides in a one-sided story are reaching for. They won't see it as "giving the players any more power"- it's about the public and consumers, not they players- a player boycott on an issue where the public didn't back their position would be useless. And there's no real chance for skeletons to come out- it's not like you can walk into a deposition on interpretation of NBA bylaws and just start talking about that time Jerry Reinsdorf made an off-color joke about a waitress at Charlie Trotter's. Although if anyone could go off-topic at a deposition it would be Sterling. Plus Sterling has zero credibility, so whatever he claims, true or false, can be easily dismissed.
Cuban was the first one to make the slippery slope argument.

 
I don't see where they are powerless. Again if they want to fine or suspend etc. have at it......But any owner who votes for stripping him of the team better know for sure that they aren't going to slip up and say anything offensive or that may be deemed offensive.
the owners control it, who are we to tell them what their votes mean?

they know each other, they should know if it is a slippery slope or not much better than some external alarmists who want them to watch their league burn just to defend an idiot

Cuban is offensive by nature, he's never been put to a vote, because he did not incite possible boycotts, lose sponsors, create labor issues, and drag the league into the mud with him

on the contrary any owner who votes not to dismiss him may be sending a message that you can freely piss on the business interests of the other 29 owners and they are helpless to do anything

ultimately though, neither you nor i know what their votes mean because it is a closed group that decides among itself and answers to itself. If Sterling is unhappy with that perhaps it is best if he does leave
Cuban is probably not a yes vote and if anyone thinks he's the only one they are fooling themselves. As I said earlier I bet there aren't very many owners who haven't been a little racist at times. Another thing to consider is they may not want to give the players anymore power which this vote would. I mean the commish says he is getting advised by Lebron amongst others. And lastly they know full well Sterling has money, lawyers and a bad attitude. He isn't going to just slink away this is going to get messy. All skeletons are coming out if this get litigious.
I really think you're wildly overplaying this in several respects. Cuban is going to vote yes, as are the other 28 owners if I had a guess. They're not going to see the same slippery slope arguments that people on message boards who feel compelled to find two sides in a one-sided story are reaching for. They won't see it as "giving the players any more power"- it's about the public and consumers, not they players- a player boycott on an issue where the public didn't back their position would be useless. And there's no real chance for skeletons to come out- it's not like you can walk into a deposition on interpretation of NBA bylaws and just start talking about that time Jerry Reinsdorf made an off-color joke about a waitress at Charlie Trotter's. Although if anyone could go off-topic at a deposition it would be Sterling. Plus Sterling has zero credibility, so whatever he claims, true or false, can be easily dismissed.
Cuban was the first one to make the slippery slope argument.
Yup, and he walked it back and said he supports the Commissioner almost immediately.

He's not an idiot. He knows which way the wind is blowing. The harm to the reputation of any owner that votes against banning Sterling far outweighs the minute possibility that this will set some precedent and that he'll say something similarly awful that will one day result in him getting ousted.

 
I am just sick of people trying to tell these owners what they should think and how they should run their business. If they think this guy is worthless trash that is their business, if it is a slippery slope and they want to grease up and go bellywhopping down it so be it.

they are successful businessman and have earned the right to run their business without people on here telling them they have to champion an idiot who risks their damaging business.
And yet by a voting for dismissal that is exactly what they would be doing.......Telling owners what they can think, say and how to run their business. If the fans, players and sponsors are offended enough by his words and beliefs his business will suffer, and the market will dictate if he stays in business/ownership.
no

a vote of dismissal is 29 owners deciding if they should let one other owner destroy their combined business

they should not have to wait till the market destroys 1/29th of their league

the fans and businesses spoke they spoke clearly and quickly as did the employees. If you react slowly in business you die. these 29 HIGHLY successful businessmen and businesswomen know that, they are protecting what is theirs and you are not happy about it because you don't want sterling gone

sorry, he knew the rules, and he jeopardized the business so he is vulnerable

 
I don't see where they are powerless. Again if they want to fine or suspend etc. have at it......But any owner who votes for stripping him of the team better know for sure that they aren't going to slip up and say anything offensive or that may be deemed offensive.
the owners control it, who are we to tell them what their votes mean?

they know each other, they should know if it is a slippery slope or not much better than some external alarmists who want them to watch their league burn just to defend an idiot

Cuban is offensive by nature, he's never been put to a vote, because he did not incite possible boycotts, lose sponsors, create labor issues, and drag the league into the mud with him

on the contrary any owner who votes not to dismiss him may be sending a message that you can freely piss on the business interests of the other 29 owners and they are helpless to do anything

ultimately though, neither you nor i know what their votes mean because it is a closed group that decides among itself and answers to itself. If Sterling is unhappy with that perhaps it is best if he does leave
Cuban is probably not a yes vote and if anyone thinks he's the only one they are fooling themselves. As I said earlier I bet there aren't very many owners who haven't been a little racist at times. Another thing to consider is they may not want to give the players anymore power which this vote would. I mean the commish says he is getting advised by Lebron amongst others. And lastly they know full well Sterling has money, lawyers and a bad attitude. He isn't going to just slink away this is going to get messy. All skeletons are coming out if this get litigious.
I really think you're wildly overplaying this in several respects. Cuban is going to vote yes, as are the other 28 owners if I had a guess. They're not going to see the same slippery slope arguments that people on message boards who feel compelled to find two sides in a one-sided story are reaching for. They won't see it as "giving the players any more power"- it's about the public and consumers, not they players- a player boycott on an issue where the public didn't back their position would be useless. And there's no real chance for skeletons to come out- it's not like you can walk into a deposition on interpretation of NBA bylaws and just start talking about that time Jerry Reinsdorf made an off-color joke about a waitress at Charlie Trotter's. Although if anyone could go off-topic at a deposition it would be Sterling. Plus Sterling has zero credibility, so whatever he claims, true or false, can be easily dismissed.
Cuban was the first one to make the slippery slope argument.
he also tweeted this, cuban is not dumb. he'll think about it and decide what to do, he's laid the groundwork to vote either way. I'd guess he votes yes, but who knows

Mark Cuban@mcuban
FollowI agree 100% with Commissioner Silvers findings and the actions taken against Donald Sterling
 
people are acting like this is a corner diner who started selling burgers with soy and turkey in them and is being forced to close up shop

when instead it is more like someone owning a franchise and selling big macs that are soyburgers with A1 for special sauce. Mcdonalds does not have to allow that, they can close the guy up to protect their brand and their business

while not 100% the second is closer to what this is. If the clippers were a self contained business travelling from town to town playing b-ball against whoever they could find this would not be the same issue. But they are not, and Sterling has damaged the NBA brand and they do not have to let him continue to do so. That is why they created the by law that allows for his removal, to protect their league and their brand.

 
I don't see where they are powerless. Again if they want to fine or suspend etc. have at it......But any owner who votes for stripping him of the team better know for sure that they aren't going to slip up and say anything offensive or that may be deemed offensive.
the owners control it, who are we to tell them what their votes mean?

they know each other, they should know if it is a slippery slope or not much better than some external alarmists who want them to watch their league burn just to defend an idiot

Cuban is offensive by nature, he's never been put to a vote, because he did not incite possible boycotts, lose sponsors, create labor issues, and drag the league into the mud with him

on the contrary any owner who votes not to dismiss him may be sending a message that you can freely piss on the business interests of the other 29 owners and they are helpless to do anything

ultimately though, neither you nor i know what their votes mean because it is a closed group that decides among itself and answers to itself. If Sterling is unhappy with that perhaps it is best if he does leave
Cuban is probably not a yes vote and if anyone thinks he's the only one they are fooling themselves. As I said earlier I bet there aren't very many owners who haven't been a little racist at times. Another thing to consider is they may not want to give the players anymore power which this vote would. I mean the commish says he is getting advised by Lebron amongst others. And lastly they know full well Sterling has money, lawyers and a bad attitude. He isn't going to just slink away this is going to get messy. All skeletons are coming out if this get litigious.
I really think you're wildly overplaying this in several respects. Cuban is going to vote yes, as are the other 28 owners if I had a guess. They're not going to see the same slippery slope arguments that people on message boards who feel compelled to find two sides in a one-sided story are reaching for. They won't see it as "giving the players any more power"- it's about the public and consumers, not they players- a player boycott on an issue where the public didn't back their position would be useless. And there's no real chance for skeletons to come out- it's not like you can walk into a deposition on interpretation of NBA bylaws and just start talking about that time Jerry Reinsdorf made an off-color joke about a waitress at Charlie Trotter's. Although if anyone could go off-topic at a deposition it would be Sterling. Plus Sterling has zero credibility, so whatever he claims, true or false, can be easily dismissed.
Cuban was the first one to make the slippery slope argument.
he also tweeted this, cuban is not dumb. he'll think about it and decide what to do, he's laid the groundwork to vote either way. I'd guess he votes yes, but who knows

Mark Cuban@mcuban
FollowI agree 100% with Commissioner Silvers findings and the actions taken against Donald Sterling
Those actions don't include taking his team yet.

 
I am just sick of people trying to tell these owners what they should think and how they should run their business. If they think this guy is worthless trash that is their business, if it is a slippery slope and they want to grease up and go bellywhopping down it so be it.

they are successful businessman and have earned the right to run their business without people on here telling them they have to champion an idiot who risks their damaging business.
And yet by a voting for dismissal that is exactly what they would be doing.......Telling owners what they can think, say and how to run their business. If the fans, players and sponsors are offended enough by his words and beliefs his business will suffer, and the market will dictate if he stays in business/ownership.
noa vote of dismissal is 29 owners deciding if they should let one other owner destroy their combined business

they should not have to wait till the market destroys 1/29th of their league

the fans and businesses spoke they spoke clearly and quickly as did the employees. If you react slowly in business you die. these 29 HIGHLY successful businessmen and businesswomen know that, they are protecting what is theirs and you are not happy about it because you don't want sterling gone

sorry, he knew the rules, and he jeopardized the business so he is vulnerable
I don't care about Sterling. I'm not sure the rule you are referring to exists. The only rule I heard cited referenced players. This is about punishment fitting the offense. Would you be so hell bent in your stance if he referenced jewish men or American Indians or Latino's or if he were black and referenced whites. I highly doubt it. Why don't you climb down out of the thin air of judgement and take a breath and a look around.

 
Holy hell, people. Cuban did not change his stance. His earlier comments were about Sterling losing the team. His later comment was about the punishment by the NBA. They have nothing to do with each other.

 
I don't see where they are powerless. Again if they want to fine or suspend etc. have at it......But any owner who votes for stripping him of the team better know for sure that they aren't going to slip up and say anything offensive or that may be deemed offensive.
the owners control it, who are we to tell them what their votes mean?

they know each other, they should know if it is a slippery slope or not much better than some external alarmists who want them to watch their league burn just to defend an idiot

Cuban is offensive by nature, he's never been put to a vote, because he did not incite possible boycotts, lose sponsors, create labor issues, and drag the league into the mud with him

on the contrary any owner who votes not to dismiss him may be sending a message that you can freely piss on the business interests of the other 29 owners and they are helpless to do anything

ultimately though, neither you nor i know what their votes mean because it is a closed group that decides among itself and answers to itself. If Sterling is unhappy with that perhaps it is best if he does leave
Cuban is probably not a yes vote and if anyone thinks he's the only one they are fooling themselves. As I said earlier I bet there aren't very many owners who haven't been a little racist at times. Another thing to consider is they may not want to give the players anymore power which this vote would. I mean the commish says he is getting advised by Lebron amongst others. And lastly they know full well Sterling has money, lawyers and a bad attitude. He isn't going to just slink away this is going to get messy. All skeletons are coming out if this get litigious.
I really think you're wildly overplaying this in several respects. Cuban is going to vote yes, as are the other 28 owners if I had a guess. They're not going to see the same slippery slope arguments that people on message boards who feel compelled to find two sides in a one-sided story are reaching for. They won't see it as "giving the players any more power"- it's about the public and consumers, not they players- a player boycott on an issue where the public didn't back their position would be useless. And there's no real chance for skeletons to come out- it's not like you can walk into a deposition on interpretation of NBA bylaws and just start talking about that time Jerry Reinsdorf made an off-color joke about a waitress at Charlie Trotter's. Although if anyone could go off-topic at a deposition it would be Sterling. Plus Sterling has zero credibility, so whatever he claims, true or false, can be easily dismissed.
Cuban was the first one to make the slippery slope argument.
he also tweeted this, cuban is not dumb. he'll think about it and decide what to do, he's laid the groundwork to vote either way. I'd guess he votes yes, but who knows

Mark Cuban@mcuban
FollowI agree 100% with Commissioner Silvers findings and the actions taken against Donald Sterling
Those actions don't include taking his team yet.
his actions include recommendation of taking the team

cubes could have said something to say he does not want to go that far, he is leaving the door open

 
I don't care about Sterling. I'm not sure the rule you are referring to exists. The only rule I heard cited referenced players. This is about punishment fitting the offense. Would you be so hell bent in your stance if he referenced jewish men or American Indians or Latino's or if he were black and referenced whites. I highly doubt it. Why don't you climb down out of the thin air of judgement and take a breath and a look around.
my stance is the nba should be allowed to run their league. Do you think Silver made up the concept of a 75% vote being needed to remove Sterling? Clearly there is something in their bylaws that allows for this. If their is not the point is moo, because a 1st year lawyer could rip the nba apart.

If he said "my farts smell like roses" and it caused the players, fans, and sponsors to react this way my position is the league could hold a vote on if he should be removed, as long as it is supported by their by laws. What he said damaged the league and was going to continue to damage it. Somehow people are trying to defend his right to own his bussiness by suppressing the rights of the other 29 owners who on part of the same business. That's not liberty or free market or any of those grand concepts.

If you don't care about Sterling, what is your dog in this fight? Why does it bother you that the NBA, which has to approve who can and cannot own a team, is going to meet to decide if he should still be allowed to own?

 
I don't see where they are powerless. Again if they want to fine or suspend etc. have at it......But any owner who votes for stripping him of the team better know for sure that they aren't going to slip up and say anything offensive or that may be deemed offensive.
the owners control it, who are we to tell them what their votes mean?

they know each other, they should know if it is a slippery slope or not much better than some external alarmists who want them to watch their league burn just to defend an idiot

Cuban is offensive by nature, he's never been put to a vote, because he did not incite possible boycotts, lose sponsors, create labor issues, and drag the league into the mud with him

on the contrary any owner who votes not to dismiss him may be sending a message that you can freely piss on the business interests of the other 29 owners and they are helpless to do anything

ultimately though, neither you nor i know what their votes mean because it is a closed group that decides among itself and answers to itself. If Sterling is unhappy with that perhaps it is best if he does leave
Cuban is probably not a yes vote and if anyone thinks he's the only one they are fooling themselves. As I said earlier I bet there aren't very many owners who haven't been a little racist at times. Another thing to consider is they may not want to give the players anymore power which this vote would. I mean the commish says he is getting advised by Lebron amongst others. And lastly they know full well Sterling has money, lawyers and a bad attitude. He isn't going to just slink away this is going to get messy. All skeletons are coming out if this get litigious.
I really think you're wildly overplaying this in several respects. Cuban is going to vote yes, as are the other 28 owners if I had a guess. They're not going to see the same slippery slope arguments that people on message boards who feel compelled to find two sides in a one-sided story are reaching for. They won't see it as "giving the players any more power"- it's about the public and consumers, not they players- a player boycott on an issue where the public didn't back their position would be useless. And there's no real chance for skeletons to come out- it's not like you can walk into a deposition on interpretation of NBA bylaws and just start talking about that time Jerry Reinsdorf made an off-color joke about a waitress at Charlie Trotter's. Although if anyone could go off-topic at a deposition it would be Sterling. Plus Sterling has zero credibility, so whatever he claims, true or false, can be easily dismissed.
Cuban was the first one to make the slippery slope argument.
he also tweeted this, cuban is not dumb. he'll think about it and decide what to do, he's laid the groundwork to vote either way. I'd guess he votes yes, but who knows

Mark Cuban@mcuban
FollowI agree 100% with Commissioner Silvers findings and the actions taken against Donald Sterling
Those actions don't include taking his team yet.
his actions include recommendation of taking the team

cubes could have said something to say he does not want to go that far, he is leaving the door open
"But regardless of your background, regardless of the history they have, if we're taking something somebody said in their home and we're trying to turn it into something that leads to you being forced to divest property in any way, shape or form, that's not the United States of America. I don't want to be part of that."

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/mark-cuban-slams-sterling-bigot-favor-booting-clips-owner-article-1.1772540#ixzz30OzlODO9

 
Holy hell, people. Cuban did not change his stance. His earlier comments were about Sterling losing the team. His later comment was about the punishment by the NBA. They have nothing to do with each other.
I didn't say he changed

i said he is keeping the door open, i do not think his earlier comments lock him into voting for sterling to keep the team, and he had the chance to double down and as of yet has not

Cuban will do what Cuban wants to

 
I don't see where they are powerless. Again if they want to fine or suspend etc. have at it......But any owner who votes for stripping him of the team better know for sure that they aren't going to slip up and say anything offensive or that may be deemed offensive.
the owners control it, who are we to tell them what their votes mean?

they know each other, they should know if it is a slippery slope or not much better than some external alarmists who want them to watch their league burn just to defend an idiot

Cuban is offensive by nature, he's never been put to a vote, because he did not incite possible boycotts, lose sponsors, create labor issues, and drag the league into the mud with him

on the contrary any owner who votes not to dismiss him may be sending a message that you can freely piss on the business interests of the other 29 owners and they are helpless to do anything

ultimately though, neither you nor i know what their votes mean because it is a closed group that decides among itself and answers to itself. If Sterling is unhappy with that perhaps it is best if he does leave
Cuban is probably not a yes vote and if anyone thinks he's the only one they are fooling themselves. As I said earlier I bet there aren't very many owners who haven't been a little racist at times. Another thing to consider is they may not want to give the players anymore power which this vote would. I mean the commish says he is getting advised by Lebron amongst others. And lastly they know full well Sterling has money, lawyers and a bad attitude. He isn't going to just slink away this is going to get messy. All skeletons are coming out if this get litigious.
I really think you're wildly overplaying this in several respects. Cuban is going to vote yes, as are the other 28 owners if I had a guess. They're not going to see the same slippery slope arguments that people on message boards who feel compelled to find two sides in a one-sided story are reaching for. They won't see it as "giving the players any more power"- it's about the public and consumers, not they players- a player boycott on an issue where the public didn't back their position would be useless. And there's no real chance for skeletons to come out- it's not like you can walk into a deposition on interpretation of NBA bylaws and just start talking about that time Jerry Reinsdorf made an off-color joke about a waitress at Charlie Trotter's. Although if anyone could go off-topic at a deposition it would be Sterling. Plus Sterling has zero credibility, so whatever he claims, true or false, can be easily dismissed.
Cuban was the first one to make the slippery slope argument.
he also tweeted this, cuban is not dumb. he'll think about it and decide what to do, he's laid the groundwork to vote either way. I'd guess he votes yes, but who knows

Mark Cuban@mcuban
FollowI agree 100% with Commissioner Silvers findings and the actions taken against Donald Sterling
Those actions don't include taking his team yet.
his actions include recommendation of taking the team

cubes could have said something to say he does not want to go that far, he is leaving the door open
"But regardless of your background, regardless of the history they have, if we're taking something somebody said in their home and we're trying to turn it into something that leads to you being forced to divest property in any way, shape or form, that's not the United States of America. I don't want to be part of that."

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/mark-cuban-slams-sterling-bigot-favor-booting-clips-owner-article-1.1772540#ixzz30OzlODO9
yes

he said that before the punishment was announced

I am aware

do you think this means he will 100% vote to let sterling keep the team? i do not

i

 
I don't see where they are powerless. Again if they want to fine or suspend etc. have at it......But any owner who votes for stripping him of the team better know for sure that they aren't going to slip up and say anything offensive or that may be deemed offensive.
the owners control it, who are we to tell them what their votes mean?

they know each other, they should know if it is a slippery slope or not much better than some external alarmists who want them to watch their league burn just to defend an idiot

Cuban is offensive by nature, he's never been put to a vote, because he did not incite possible boycotts, lose sponsors, create labor issues, and drag the league into the mud with him

on the contrary any owner who votes not to dismiss him may be sending a message that you can freely piss on the business interests of the other 29 owners and they are helpless to do anything

ultimately though, neither you nor i know what their votes mean because it is a closed group that decides among itself and answers to itself. If Sterling is unhappy with that perhaps it is best if he does leave
Cuban is probably not a yes vote and if anyone thinks he's the only one they are fooling themselves. As I said earlier I bet there aren't very many owners who haven't been a little racist at times. Another thing to consider is they may not want to give the players anymore power which this vote would. I mean the commish says he is getting advised by Lebron amongst others. And lastly they know full well Sterling has money, lawyers and a bad attitude. He isn't going to just slink away this is going to get messy. All skeletons are coming out if this get litigious.
I really think you're wildly overplaying this in several respects. Cuban is going to vote yes, as are the other 28 owners if I had a guess. They're not going to see the same slippery slope arguments that people on message boards who feel compelled to find two sides in a one-sided story are reaching for. They won't see it as "giving the players any more power"- it's about the public and consumers, not they players- a player boycott on an issue where the public didn't back their position would be useless. And there's no real chance for skeletons to come out- it's not like you can walk into a deposition on interpretation of NBA bylaws and just start talking about that time Jerry Reinsdorf made an off-color joke about a waitress at Charlie Trotter's. Although if anyone could go off-topic at a deposition it would be Sterling. Plus Sterling has zero credibility, so whatever he claims, true or false, can be easily dismissed.
Cuban was the first one to make the slippery slope argument.
he also tweeted this, cuban is not dumb. he'll think about it and decide what to do, he's laid the groundwork to vote either way. I'd guess he votes yes, but who knows

Mark Cuban@mcuban
FollowI agree 100% with Commissioner Silvers findings and the actions taken against Donald Sterling
Those actions don't include taking his team yet.
his actions include recommendation of taking the team

cubes could have said something to say he does not want to go that far, he is leaving the door open
"But regardless of your background, regardless of the history they have, if we're taking something somebody said in their home and we're trying to turn it into something that leads to you being forced to divest property in any way, shape or form, that's not the United States of America. I don't want to be part of that."

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/mark-cuban-slams-sterling-bigot-favor-booting-clips-owner-article-1.1772540#ixzz30OzlODO9
yes

he said that before the punishment was announced

I am aware

do you think this means he will 100% vote to let sterling keep the team? i do not

i
Right, punishment that has nothing to do with whether he's going to lose the team. Cuban's statement on losing the team was pretty damned unambiguous.

 
Holy hell, people. Cuban did not change his stance. His earlier comments were about Sterling losing the team. His later comment was about the punishment by the NBA. They have nothing to do with each other.
He made earliy comments about forced sale but also questioning whether it was appropriate that he be "kicked out of the league." Silver's punishment included a lifetime ban, which constitutes being "kicked out of the league" in my book regardless of whether you retain a financial stake in a team. Plus as BDeep said, one of the Commissioner's findings/actions was recommending he be forced to sell.

 
I don't see where they are powerless. Again if they want to fine or suspend etc. have at it......But any owner who votes for stripping him of the team better know for sure that they aren't going to slip up and say anything offensive or that may be deemed offensive.
the owners control it, who are we to tell them what their votes mean?

they know each other, they should know if it is a slippery slope or not much better than some external alarmists who want them to watch their league burn just to defend an idiot

Cuban is offensive by nature, he's never been put to a vote, because he did not incite possible boycotts, lose sponsors, create labor issues, and drag the league into the mud with him

on the contrary any owner who votes not to dismiss him may be sending a message that you can freely piss on the business interests of the other 29 owners and they are helpless to do anything

ultimately though, neither you nor i know what their votes mean because it is a closed group that decides among itself and answers to itself. If Sterling is unhappy with that perhaps it is best if he does leave
Cuban is probably not a yes vote and if anyone thinks he's the only one they are fooling themselves. As I said earlier I bet there aren't very many owners who haven't been a little racist at times. Another thing to consider is they may not want to give the players anymore power which this vote would. I mean the commish says he is getting advised by Lebron amongst others. And lastly they know full well Sterling has money, lawyers and a bad attitude. He isn't going to just slink away this is going to get messy. All skeletons are coming out if this get litigious.
I really think you're wildly overplaying this in several respects. Cuban is going to vote yes, as are the other 28 owners if I had a guess. They're not going to see the same slippery slope arguments that people on message boards who feel compelled to find two sides in a one-sided story are reaching for. They won't see it as "giving the players any more power"- it's about the public and consumers, not they players- a player boycott on an issue where the public didn't back their position would be useless. And there's no real chance for skeletons to come out- it's not like you can walk into a deposition on interpretation of NBA bylaws and just start talking about that time Jerry Reinsdorf made an off-color joke about a waitress at Charlie Trotter's. Although if anyone could go off-topic at a deposition it would be Sterling. Plus Sterling has zero credibility, so whatever he claims, true or false, can be easily dismissed.
Cuban was the first one to make the slippery slope argument.
he also tweeted this, cuban is not dumb. he'll think about it and decide what to do, he's laid the groundwork to vote either way. I'd guess he votes yes, but who knows

Mark Cuban@mcuban
FollowI agree 100% with Commissioner Silvers findings and the actions taken against Donald Sterling
Those actions don't include taking his team yet.
his actions include recommendation of taking the team

cubes could have said something to say he does not want to go that far, he is leaving the door open
"But regardless of your background, regardless of the history they have, if we're taking something somebody said in their home and we're trying to turn it into something that leads to you being forced to divest property in any way, shape or form, that's not the United States of America. I don't want to be part of that."

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/mark-cuban-slams-sterling-bigot-favor-booting-clips-owner-article-1.1772540#ixzz30OzlODO9
In the exact same interview, Cuban says "There's no place for racism in the NBA, any business I'm associated with, and I don't want to be associated with people who have that position." (emphasis mine).

I think a fair reading of Cuban's comments is completely consistent with Silver's position. Which is that the Commissioner has the authority to suspend and fine Sterling, but that only the owners have the right to kick him out of the league.
 
Right, punishment that has nothing to do with whether he's going to lose the team. Cuban's statement on losing the team was pretty damned unambiguous.
strange that since the presser he has not doubled down on them

just the i agree 100% with the findings and actions (and yes, i think the ACTION includes moving this to toe BOG for a vote)

Cubes is no dummy.

 
I don't see where they are powerless. Again if they want to fine or suspend etc. have at it......But any owner who votes for stripping him of the team better know for sure that they aren't going to slip up and say anything offensive or that may be deemed offensive.
the owners control it, who are we to tell them what their votes mean?

they know each other, they should know if it is a slippery slope or not much better than some external alarmists who want them to watch their league burn just to defend an idiot

Cuban is offensive by nature, he's never been put to a vote, because he did not incite possible boycotts, lose sponsors, create labor issues, and drag the league into the mud with him

on the contrary any owner who votes not to dismiss him may be sending a message that you can freely piss on the business interests of the other 29 owners and they are helpless to do anything

ultimately though, neither you nor i know what their votes mean because it is a closed group that decides among itself and answers to itself. If Sterling is unhappy with that perhaps it is best if he does leave
Cuban is probably not a yes vote and if anyone thinks he's the only one they are fooling themselves. As I said earlier I bet there aren't very many owners who haven't been a little racist at times. Another thing to consider is they may not want to give the players anymore power which this vote would. I mean the commish says he is getting advised by Lebron amongst others. And lastly they know full well Sterling has money, lawyers and a bad attitude. He isn't going to just slink away this is going to get messy. All skeletons are coming out if this get litigious.
I really think you're wildly overplaying this in several respects. Cuban is going to vote yes, as are the other 28 owners if I had a guess. They're not going to see the same slippery slope arguments that people on message boards who feel compelled to find two sides in a one-sided story are reaching for. They won't see it as "giving the players any more power"- it's about the public and consumers, not they players- a player boycott on an issue where the public didn't back their position would be useless. And there's no real chance for skeletons to come out- it's not like you can walk into a deposition on interpretation of NBA bylaws and just start talking about that time Jerry Reinsdorf made an off-color joke about a waitress at Charlie Trotter's. Although if anyone could go off-topic at a deposition it would be Sterling. Plus Sterling has zero credibility, so whatever he claims, true or false, can be easily dismissed.
Cuban was the first one to make the slippery slope argument.
he also tweeted this, cuban is not dumb. he'll think about it and decide what to do, he's laid the groundwork to vote either way. I'd guess he votes yes, but who knows

Mark Cuban@mcuban
FollowI agree 100% with Commissioner Silvers findings and the actions taken against Donald Sterling
Those actions don't include taking his team yet.
his actions include recommendation of taking the team

cubes could have said something to say he does not want to go that far, he is leaving the door open
"But regardless of your background, regardless of the history they have, if we're taking something somebody said in their home and we're trying to turn it into something that leads to you being forced to divest property in any way, shape or form, that's not the United States of America. I don't want to be part of that."

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/mark-cuban-slams-sterling-bigot-favor-booting-clips-owner-article-1.1772540#ixzz30OzlODO9
In the exact same interview, Cuban says "There's no place for racism in the NBA, any business I'm associated with, and I don't want to be associated with people who have that position." (emphasis mine).

I think a fair reading of Cuban's comments is completely consistent with Silver's position. Which is that the Commissioner has the authority to suspend and fine Sterling, but that only the owners have the right to kick him out of the league.
and i think cuban is hesitant to do that, and has expressed such. But hessitant does not mean he won't.

not that it matters, he is 1 vote

 
I don't see where they are powerless. Again if they want to fine or suspend etc. have at it......But any owner who votes for stripping him of the team better know for sure that they aren't going to slip up and say anything offensive or that may be deemed offensive.
the owners control it, who are we to tell them what their votes mean?

they know each other, they should know if it is a slippery slope or not much better than some external alarmists who want them to watch their league burn just to defend an idiot

Cuban is offensive by nature, he's never been put to a vote, because he did not incite possible boycotts, lose sponsors, create labor issues, and drag the league into the mud with him

on the contrary any owner who votes not to dismiss him may be sending a message that you can freely piss on the business interests of the other 29 owners and they are helpless to do anything

ultimately though, neither you nor i know what their votes mean because it is a closed group that decides among itself and answers to itself. If Sterling is unhappy with that perhaps it is best if he does leave
Cuban is probably not a yes vote and if anyone thinks he's the only one they are fooling themselves. As I said earlier I bet there aren't very many owners who haven't been a little racist at times. Another thing to consider is they may not want to give the players anymore power which this vote would. I mean the commish says he is getting advised by Lebron amongst others. And lastly they know full well Sterling has money, lawyers and a bad attitude. He isn't going to just slink away this is going to get messy. All skeletons are coming out if this get litigious.
I really think you're wildly overplaying this in several respects. Cuban is going to vote yes, as are the other 28 owners if I had a guess. They're not going to see the same slippery slope arguments that people on message boards who feel compelled to find two sides in a one-sided story are reaching for. They won't see it as "giving the players any more power"- it's about the public and consumers, not they players- a player boycott on an issue where the public didn't back their position would be useless. And there's no real chance for skeletons to come out- it's not like you can walk into a deposition on interpretation of NBA bylaws and just start talking about that time Jerry Reinsdorf made an off-color joke about a waitress at Charlie Trotter's. Although if anyone could go off-topic at a deposition it would be Sterling. Plus Sterling has zero credibility, so whatever he claims, true or false, can be easily dismissed.
Cuban was the first one to make the slippery slope argument.
he also tweeted this, cuban is not dumb. he'll think about it and decide what to do, he's laid the groundwork to vote either way. I'd guess he votes yes, but who knows

Mark Cuban@mcuban
FollowI agree 100% with Commissioner Silvers findings and the actions taken against Donald Sterling
Those actions don't include taking his team yet.
his actions include recommendation of taking the team

cubes could have said something to say he does not want to go that far, he is leaving the door open
"But regardless of your background, regardless of the history they have, if we're taking something somebody said in their home and we're trying to turn it into something that leads to you being forced to divest property in any way, shape or form, that's not the United States of America. I don't want to be part of that."

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/mark-cuban-slams-sterling-bigot-favor-booting-clips-owner-article-1.1772540#ixzz30OzlODO9
In the exact same interview, Cuban says "There's no place for racism in the NBA, any business I'm associated with, and I don't want to be associated with people who have that position." (emphasis mine).

I think a fair reading of Cuban's comments is completely consistent with Silver's position. Which is that the Commissioner has the authority to suspend and fine Sterling, but that only the owners have the right to kick him out of the league.
What does that have to do with the people in this thread thinking Cuban's comments after the punishment somehow indicate his position on the loss of the team has changed?

 
What does that have to do with the people in this thread thinking Cuban's comments after the punishment somehow indicate his position on the loss of the team has changed?
It is related in that I think both they and you are misrepresenting the import of what Cuban said. I don't believe that Cuban ever suggested that Sterling couldn't be kicked out of the league (with the caveat that the owners follow the appropriate procedural mechanism to do so). And I think that understanding harmonizes those two statements better than your explanation that Cuban somehow offered his complete support to the Commissioner without addressing the Commissioner's recommendation that Sterling be stripped of his franchise.

 
What does that have to do with the people in this thread thinking Cuban's comments after the punishment somehow indicate his position on the loss of the team has changed?
It is related in that I think both they and you are misrepresenting the import of what Cuban said. I don't believe that Cuban ever suggested that Sterling couldn't be kicked out of the league (with the caveat that the owners follow the appropriate procedural mechanism to do so). And I think that understanding harmonizes those two statements better than your explanation that Cuban somehow offered his complete support to the Commissioner without addressing the Commissioner's recommendation that Sterling be stripped of his franchise.
I never said Cuban said Sterling couldn't be "kicked out of the league." He never said Sterling couldn't be "kicked out of the league." Cuban said he didn't want to be involved in taking away Sterling's ownership interest in the team. It requires no harmonization.

 
Heard today that Sterling bought the Clippers for 12 million in 1981. Right now if he is forced to sell the team it will be in the 700 million area. Not a bad return.
I bet it is - or was - closer to a billion as a practical matter.

I don't think he will sell, and if he does I would not be surprised if he sells it out of town, maybe a Seattle or somewhere like that out of spite.

 
Heard today that Sterling bought the Clippers for 12 million in 1981. Right now if he is forced to sell the team it will be in the 700 million area. Not a bad return.
I bet it is - or was - closer to a billion as a practical matter.

I don't think he will sell, and if he does I would not be surprised if he sells it out of town, maybe a Seattle or somewhere like that out of spite.
Sterling doesn't have a choice to sell if the owners follow the proper procedure. And Sterling doesn't get to choose who buys it. Why do people keep saying this?

 
Heard today that Sterling bought the Clippers for 12 million in 1981. Right now if he is forced to sell the team it will be in the 700 million area. Not a bad return.
I bet it is - or was - closer to a billion as a practical matter.

I don't think he will sell, and if he does I would not be surprised if he sells it out of town, maybe a Seattle or somewhere like that out of spite.
Radio guys were talking about this and felt he could get at least a billion. TV contract is up for renewal in 2015, the staples center was just renewed, and the league tv is up soon, its LA and should be double Miliwakee. Basically the same reasons the Dodgers went for 2 billion, the Clippers could go for 1...

 
Heard today that Sterling bought the Clippers for 12 million in 1981. Right now if he is forced to sell the team it will be in the 700 million area. Not a bad return.
I bet it is - or was - closer to a billion as a practical matter.

I don't think he will sell, and if he does I would not be surprised if he sells it out of town, maybe a Seattle or somewhere like that out of spite.
Sterling doesn't have a choice to sell if the owners follow the proper procedure. And Sterling doesn't get to choose who buys it. Why do people keep saying this?
Sounded like it could be more of an auction. And if he is forced to sell why wouldnt he be able to get the best deal he can?

 
No owners should have their teams taken from them.

This isn't nationalized or community property. They bought the team and own it. To take it from them is what some folks like to call stealing. To make them sell is likely illegal as well.
So if I Own a Black Eyed Joes Franchise and then prepare some items General Malaise style or otherwise violate my franchise terms I should not have my franchise canceled?

-QG

 
Heard today that Sterling bought the Clippers for 12 million in 1981. Right now if he is forced to sell the team it will be in the 700 million area. Not a bad return.
I bet it is - or was - closer to a billion as a practical matter.

I don't think he will sell, and if he does I would not be surprised if he sells it out of town, maybe a Seattle or somewhere like that out of spite.
Sterling doesn't have a choice to sell if the owners follow the proper procedure. And Sterling doesn't get to choose who buys it. Why do people keep saying this?
Sounded like it could be more of an auction. And if he is forced to sell why wouldnt he be able to get the best deal he can?
Because his franchise agreement incorporates the Association's Constitution and that Constitution vests the approval for a franchise transfer with the rest of the owners.

 

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