Which WR will have the better year? (1 Viewer)

[Dirty Weasel]

Last year, Bowe led all rookies with 70/995/5. Jennings broke out for 53/920/12 in only 13 games as a sophomore. Cotchery started slow his first 2 seasons, then put up 82/961/6 and 82/1130/2 in 2006 and 2007. I'm having a hard time ranking these 3 guys.

 

[Road Warriors]

I really like all 3, and I see similar situations for all of them... Cotchery & Jennings with young QBs and legit WR options across the field, while Bowe has the young QB and TE to share the ball with.

I rank them

Jennings

Cotchery

Bowe

but I'll expect all three to be mid to high WR2 and no particular order would surprise me.

 

[Dirty Weasel]

I guess it's not just me having trouble distinguishing these 3. 23 votes for one, 17 votes for another, and 15 votes for the remaining guy. That's very close, as I kind of expected it would be. Perhaps the numbers will favor one guy more than the other two after the draft. We'll have to wait and see.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Bowe almost broke 1,000 yards and had no QB to throw it to him so I like his upside more for the long term. Jennings is hard to gauge because he has Brett Favre thrwoing him the ball, let's see what he does with Aaron Rodgers under Center the entire season and also fighting for playing time with Driver and JJ.

Cotchery...I am not a big Clemens fan at QB and I don't see the big upside with Cotchery...he's been a nice story the past couple of sesons but he is not an elite WR IMHO.

 

[FUBAR]

FWIW...

Elway retired in 98, the next year Rod Smith caught 7 less passes, 200 less yards, 2 less TDs. McCaffery caught 7 more passes, same yardage, 3 less TDs.

Montana retires in 1990, the next year Rice catches 20 less passes, 300 less yards, with 1 more TD. John Taylor got about 10 more yards per game, 2 additional TDs. (of course, he was replaced with an HOFer)

Steve Young's last full season is 1998, the next year Rice catches 15 less passes, 300 less yards, with 4 less TDs. TO also declined by 300 yards and 10 TDs.

I won't say Jennings stats are sure to decline, but history seems in indicate they will (but not as strongly as I thought it would). It bears reminding, these guys weren't replaced with complete scrubs, 1 is a HOFer and the other 2 played in pro-bowls (1 and 4, respectively). Driver is almost guaranteed to decline.

I'm taking the 2nd year WR and hoping he isn't the next Michael Clayton.

 

[Faust]

FWIW...Elway retired in 98, the next year Rod Smith caught 7 less passes, 200 less yards, 2 less TDs. McCaffery caught 7 more passes, same yardage, 3 less TDs. Montana retires in 1990, the next year Rice catches 20 less passes, 300 less yards, with 1 more TD. John Taylor got about 10 more yards per game, 2 additional TDs. (of course, he was replaced with an HOFer)Steve Young's last full season is 1998, the next year Rice catches 15 less passes, 300 less yards, with 4 less TDs. TO also declined by 300 yards and 10 TDs. I won't say Jennings stats are sure to decline, but history seems in indicate they will (but not as strongly as I thought it would). It bears reminding, these guys weren't replaced with complete scrubs, 1 is a HOFer and the other 2 played in pro-bowls (1 and 4, respectively). Driver is almost guaranteed to decline.I'm taking the 2nd year WR and hoping he isn't the next Michael Clayton.

 

[Dirty Weasel]

It's neck and neck here. All three WR's are in the 30th percentile. Had I said dynasty instead of redraft I'm sure the numbers would've been alot different. But why make it easy for you to pick?

 

[travdogg]

I'd go:

1.Bowe

2.Jennings

3.Cotchery

I'd be happy with any of these guys as my WR3. I'd be a little worried if I had to count on any of them as a WR2.

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

I think it's a safe bet that Jennings will have less than 12 TDs -- that's a lot! I'd have pegged him for less even with Favre in '08. But he'll have more catches, likely more yards, and is always a threat to give you big play bonus scores (if you count those).

Bowe looks really good, but much of his team is really bad. And the AFC West has good corners.

Cotchery is a solid dude, but I don't think he'll improve much. He'll probably be around 1,000 yards again. TDs -- really tough to guess.

So in PPR, I'd take Jennings. Non-PPR, it's a toss-up between Jennings and Bowe. I put both of them ahead of Cotchery, either way.

 

[Dirty Weasel]

109 votes, and all within 10% of each other, Wow! I expected a close race, but not this close. Their QB situations are not the greatest either, but each one is valuable in their own way.

 

[womb]

I would totally be OK if Bowe or Jennigs were my WR2. Would love it if they were my WR2 & WR3. I like Bowe's potential and Jennings' elusiveness. I invite anyone who thinks Jennings got bombs from Favre to look into yards after catch for those long receptions. I am not trilled about Cotchery.

 

[Two Deep]

I would totally be OK if Bowe or Jennigs were my WR2. Would love it if they were my WR2 & WR3. I like Bowe's potential and Jennings' elusiveness. I invite anyone who thinks Jennings got bombs from Favre to look into yards after catch for those long receptions. I am not trilled about Cotchery.

He's not thrilled about you either. Clemens will improve and so will Cotchery's TD numbers. I expect all these guys to be around 6-8 Tds and 1,000 yards.

 

[sholditch]

I think Bowe has the edge in physical talent and upside, and since all other things are equal, I'd go with Bowe. Jennings would be last because he's the only one of the three with a significant QB downgrade.

 

[chidoy]

I'm gonna go out on a limb... kinda.... and say:

1) Cotchery

2) Bowe

3) Jennings

I think Clemmons will have more time to throw since the Jets improved their O-Line this offseason. This will give more time to throw. I would take Bowe slightly over Jennings because I think that KC will be throwing a lot more due to the lack of an O-line to make running room for LJ. All they really have are Bowe and Gonzo.

Of course this is JIMO

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

I am huge fan of Cothcery seeing as how he has been a huge steal the last couple of years and again will be good value.

Cotchery is turning into one of the most consistent possesion WR's in the NFL. He has back to back 82 reception seasons and is a very nice complimentary WR 2 to any fantasy roster. He produces points every week for your fantasy team and will rarely have a down week.

In 12 of 15 games this season he caught at least 5 balls. In 11 of 15 games he had at least 50 receiving yards. The only thing that stopped him from being a borderline WR 1 was the low TD production which is hard to predict, especially for WR's.

Cotchery is not flashy and plays for an offense that has been meh the last 2 years allowing him to slide into a value pick. He reminds of Houshy as he is a possesion receiver who people were always leinent of taking.

 

[H.K.]

1) Bowe - He is the only true #1 WR in this poll, this means he'll be getting opportunity no matter what. In for a huge year.

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2) Cotchery - benefited from Coles missing 5 games lst season, so expectations should be tempered for next season.

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3) Jennings - Biggest bust of 2008 doesn't belong in this discussion for many reasons, like he does not get enough targets, Favre retired, Jennings can't stay healthy, '07 TD's were a fluke and can't be replicated, etc, etc.

 

[Kitrick Taylor]

1) Bowe - He is the only true #1 WR in this poll, this means he'll be getting opportunity no matter what. In for a huge year...2) Cotchery - benefited from Coles missing 5 games lst season, so expectations should be tempered for next season...............3) Jennings - Biggest bust of 2008 doesn't belong in this discussion for many reasons, like he does not get enough targets, Favre retired, Jennings can't stay healthy, '07 TD's were a fluke and can't be replicated, etc, etc.

I have seen your obvious bias against Jennings for some time now, but am looking forward to revisiting this thread in particular next season. A couple of points: Is it not possible for Jennings to get more targets as he develops into the clear #1 over Driver? Jennings has missed 5 games in two years. Not great, but I wouldn't call it a red flag as of yet.As for this vote, a few things to remember.Bowe plays for the team that finished 31st in total offense, and 20th in passing offense. Even if they draft Matt Ryan, how much improvement would he be over Croyle in year 1? The Chiefs are bad on offense without a QB, and Herms' #1 goal is to run the ball. I think Bowes' upside is extremely limited. Good player? Yes. Just a bad situation in KC right now. Cotchery plays for the team that finished 26th in total offense and 25th in passing offense a year ago. Plus if Coles plays a full slate of games this year, he could see a decline in his numbers. Cotchery is a good player but he is the #2 guy there, and that offense is in no way dynamic. Jennings plays in an offense that finished 2nd in total offense and 2nd in passing offense. Admittedly that was with Favre at the helm, but I think the talent disparity on these offenses is huge. My only question on Rodgers right now is his durability. If he's healthy, the Packer offense is going to roll. That will lead to many scoring chances for Jennings. I don't think 12 TDs is a realistic expectation going forward, but I think honestly there's only five guys that I can feel comfortable predicting double digit TDs. Calling Jennings the biggest bust of 2008 is just stupid. He won't be drafted as a #1 WR. There are easily 12 guys that will be rated ahead of him going into 2008. So fantasy wise he will be expected to perform as a #2 WR. I think he has easily as much upside as anyone in that category, and no bigger bust potential than anyone there.

 

[Dirty Weasel]

Nearing 200 votes...

WR1 - 70 votes (38.67%)

WR2 - 58 votes (32.04%)

WR3 - 53 votes (29.28%)

It will be fun to see how close they actually finish in 2008.

 

[Sweetcan]

Nearing 200 votes...WR1 - 70 votes (38.67%)WR2 - 58 votes (32.04%)WR3 - 53 votes (29.28%)It will be fun to see how close they actually finish in 2008.

Jennings can't be in this at all. How can anyone predict a Green Bay receiver's future without Favre? I guess the only logical explanation would be that his stats will decline. Bowe's ceiling is higher than Cotchery

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

Yes, for the folks at home, note that H.K. raved about how much Jennings allegedly sucked before, during, and after his 12-TD season.

 

[H.K.]

Yes, for the folks at home, note that H.K. raved about how much Jennings allegedly sucked before, during, and after his 12-TD season.

100% false. I asked the question "if he is so good, why don't they throw it to him more?" It is a proof point that he doesn't get the targets necessary to provide consistent production and his TD output isn't sustainable. In 2006 as a rookie Jennings had 7.5 targets/game, last year he only had 6.5 game. Now Favre is gone replaced by a QB with virtually no experience, yet guys who emerged to take away targets in 2007 like rookie WR Jones, Koren Robinson, and TE Lee return......and people expect Jennings to be more involved in the offense? They don't have a shred of proof or evidence to back up the claim, they just look at last season's TD totals and final FF rankings and say that Jennings is the new WR1 in Green Bay. It's ridiculous.Jennings FF value last season came from one source: Long TD's. His six longest TD receptions last season averaged over 60 yards (57,41,82,60, 80, and 44 yards).Six plays produced 36% of his fantasy production last season in PPR (44% of it in non-ppr).He won't do that again, and he won't get enough targets/receptions/yardage to make up the difference this season, either.

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

I don't think any of that will make him be drafted so high that he's "the bust of the year."

If you don't think he'll have WR2 stats, what do you think he'll have?

 

[ookook]

Although I agree that Jennings is likely to put up fewer fantasy points this year, I would expect his targets to increase at the same time his TDs decrease. I anticipate this will come at Driver's expense.

Anytime a new QB is starting, it is hard to say who he will favor. I doubt DD, could be GJ or JJ.

I like him as WR2.

For me, the biggest variable is the Packers offense: how many TDs will be thrown and can they run the ball to sustain drives.

 

[H.K.]

Although I agree that Jennings is likely to put up fewer fantasy points this year, I would expect his targets to increase at the same time his TDs decrease. I anticipate this will come at Driver's expense.

Explain. Please provide proof that Driver and Jennings switched positions/roles in the offense or the coaches stated there has been a changing of the guard.

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

No yard/TD predictions, then?

 

[H.K.]

I don't think any of that will make him be drafted so high that he's "the bust of the year."If you don't think he'll have WR2 stats, what do you think he'll have?

ADP in WSL was about 16. In PPR, he won't even put up WR3 numbers. FF death awaits.

 

[ookook]

Although I agree that Jennings is likely to put up fewer fantasy points this year, I would expect his targets to increase at the same time his TDs decrease. I anticipate this will come at Driver's expense.

Explain. Please provide proof that Driver and Jennings switched positions/roles in the offense or the coaches stated there has been a changing of the guard.

Now you are being silly. Jennings' targets increased from 45 to 53 at same time as Driver's decreased from 91 to 82. Jennings' receiving yards increased from 632 to 690 at same time as Drivers' decreased from 1290 to 1048.Clearly some of the long passes that used to be thrown to Driver now go to Jennings. Switched roles? Yeah, Driver went from #1 WR in fantasy points to #2 at same time Jennings went from #2 to #1. We call that a switch, Holmes. I expect the trend to continue. Generally, youg receivers that are imporiving keep improving and old receivers that decline keep declining. Go figure.

 

[BassNBrew]

Although I agree that Jennings is likely to put up fewer fantasy points this year, I would expect his targets to increase at the same time his TDs decrease. I anticipate this will come at Driver's expense.

Explain. Please provide proof that Driver and Jennings switched positions/roles in the offense or the coaches stated there has been a changing of the guard.

Now you are being silly. Jennings' targets increased from 45 to 53 at same time as Driver's decreased from 91 to 82.

Jennings' receiving yards increased from 632 to 690 at same time as Drivers' decreased from 1290 to 1048.

Clearly some of the long passes that used to be thrown to Driver now go to Jennings.

Switched roles? Yeah, Driver went from #1 WR in fantasy points to #2 at same time Jennings went from #2 to #1. We call that a switch, Holmes.

I expect the trend to continue. Generally, youg receivers that are imporiving keep improving and old receivers that decline keep declining. Go figure.

Good posting other than the fact HK's name is really Poindexter.

 

[H.K.]

Although I agree that Jennings is likely to put up fewer fantasy points this year, I would expect his targets to increase at the same time his TDs decrease. I anticipate this will come at Driver's expense.

Explain. Please provide proof that Driver and Jennings switched positions/roles in the offense or the coaches stated there has been a changing of the guard.

Now you are being silly. Jennings' targets increased from 45 to 53 at same time as Driver's decreased from 91 to 82.

Targets are not receptions, and claiming a WR is now the "go to guy" because he had 29 fewer catches than his teammate last season is not helping your position.

Jennings' receiving yards increased from 632 to 690 at same time as Drivers' decreased from 1290 to 1048.

Jennings had 920 receiving yards last year, fewer than Driver's 1048

Clearly some of the long passes that used to be thrown to Driver now go to Jennings.

link?

Switched roles? Yeah, Driver went from #1 WR in fantasy points to #2 at same time Jennings went from #2 to #1. We call that a switch, Holmes.

So the coaches have Jennings playing the X and Driver the Y now because Jenning had more FF points last year? Link?

I expect the trend to continue. Generally, youg receivers that are imporiving keep improving and old receivers that decline keep declining. Go figure.

Incorrect generalization (see Roy Williams and Lee Evans from last year as prime examples), also not specific to Jennings' situation of losing an HOF QB.