White Privilege and Intersectionality (1 Viewer)

[ZenoRazon]

I never worry, concern myself with white, black, brown, yellow, green, whatever.  Why would I?

That is until it comes to sports/music. There is where things become real obvious, we do see some dramatic differences. Why some need to ignore things, talk around the obvious, why?  Reality is reality, no reason to play pretend or silly games.

I'm white and never thought about that until I started running track and playing football. Yep, there are some differences.

 

[BobbyLayne]

A black male might wake up in the morning and his first thoughts are about whether he's going to be shot by some guy from a block over.  A white make wakes up in the morning and his first thoughts are about what to have for breakfast.  That's a pretty big difference, right?  Which of those two people is going to have an easier time focusing on their education, building a good resume, establishing a professional network, and generally getting ahead in life?

In fact, not only is the white guy in this example playing his life on easy mode, but he faces a significantly different set of incentives.  A safe, stable environment encourages long-term investments like education and saving.  If you think you're likely to get killed or incarcerated anyway, why bother wasting time and resources on stuff like that?  So those environmental differences might also result in different group-level outcomes through rational decision making.

(We're obviously engaging in some statistical generalization here.  Not all black males live in south central LA, and not all white males live in rural Nebraska.  But it should be obvious and indisputable that, on average, the typical white guy lives in a safer environment and has a better family situation than the typical black guy.  And that clearly matters).

Put another way, I never worry about my 20 year old son driving around the Upper Peninsula of Michigan where he is pursuing a degree in chemical engineering, or when he is out with friends while on break in the affluent suburb northwest of Detroit where he grew up. I'm not sure he's ever been in a vehicle which was pulled over by the police - he literally tells me everything, including the recreational drug usage he dabbled in a few years ago - but if that were to happen I am confident he would know how to comport himself. But other than a hypothetical exercise such as this, thinking about my son and his interactions with law enforcement simply does not happen. For my African-American and Latino friends with sons in the same cohort, that same hypothesis is a nightly panic attack. Every. Single. Time. Their kids are out with friends or driving around, they have at a minimum a fleeting fear their kid might not make it home. Their reality is knowing that at any time they could get a call to come to the emergency room because their son was shot by the police earlier that night.

That's white privilege. 

 

[jon_mx]

A black male might wake up in the morning and his first thoughts are about whether he's going to be shot by some guy from a block over.  A white make wakes up in the morning and his first thoughts are about what to have for breakfast.  That's a pretty big difference, right?  Which of those two people is going to have an easier time focusing on their education, building a good resume, establishing a professional network, and generally getting ahead in life?

In fact, not only is the white guy in this example playing his life on easy mode, but he faces a significantly different set of incentives.  A safe, stable environment encourages long-term investments like education and saving.  If you think you're likely to get killed or incarcerated anyway, why bother wasting time and resources on stuff like that?  So those environmental differences might also result in different group-level outcomes through rational decision making.

(We're obviously engaging in some statistical generalization here.  Not all black males live in south central LA, and not all white males live in rural Nebraska.  But it should be obvious and indisputable that, on average, the typical white guy lives in a safer environment and has a better family situation than the typical black guy.  And that clearly matters).

As you noted, that is a generalization.  There are millions of middle class and wealthy black families and millions of poor white families.  

But why is that called 'white previledge'.  That is not a previledge.  It is a tragiedy that we have crime-ridden inner city ghettos with schools in those neighborhoods which are not conducive to education.  It should be called what it is, not some term which creates even more racial division than there already is.   The idea that it is the white man holding people down and we have a society where only white people succeed is the mentality that has been peddled is counter-productive.  It is not white previledge which makes the ghettos so dangerous and the schools there a complete crap show.  It is not white previledge which causes 66% of black children to be raised by a single mom.  It is not white privildge which cause black males to commit 6 times more violent crimes.  

The media does not help.  They continually focus on racism and white on black injustices.  That is still a huge problem, but this creates a myth in the minds of many blacks which makes them scared to integrate into better neighborhoods.  We have made all kinds of laws and have educated people for decades protecting the rights of blacks and reducing racist sentiment.  Maybe we are only 80% there, but where we are today is light years from where we were 50 years ago.  The problem is, we are not going to make a dent on that last 20% by forcing them to change.  The way every minority in history has ever gotten acceptance is to change those statistics above and that will never happen by blaming whites.  

I do not know the answers, but the answer is not what we are doing.  It is not to continue to only focus on things like institutional racism, white previledge, racial profiling.  There needs to be a new focus on improving pride, family, community, and hope.   There needs to be instilled a sense that blacks can succeed in this system.  The primary focus now needs to be within the black community.  

 

[GoBirds]

As you noted, that is a generalization.  There are millions of middle class and wealthy black families and millions of poor white families.  

But why is that called 'white previledge'.  That is not a previledge.  It is a tragiedy that we have crime-ridden inner city ghettos with schools in those neighborhoods which are not conducive to education.  It should be called what it is, not some term which creates even more racial division than there already is.   The idea that it is the white man holding people down and we have a society where only white people succeed is the mentality that has been peddled is counter-productive.  It is not white previledge which makes the ghettos so dangerous and the schools there a complete crap show.  It is not white previledge which causes 66% of black children to be raised by a single mom.  It is not white privildge which cause black males to commit 6 times more violent crimes.  

The media does not help.  They continually focus on racism and white on black injustices.  That is still a huge problem, but this creates a myth in the minds of many blacks which makes them scared to integrate into better neighborhoods.  We have made all kinds of laws and have educated people for decades protecting the rights of blacks and reducing racist sentiment.  Maybe we are only 80% there, but where we are today is light years from where we were 50 years ago.  The problem is, we are not going to make a dent on that last 20% by forcing them to change.  The way every minority in history has ever gotten acceptance is to change those statistics above and that will never happen by blaming whites.  

I do not know the answers, but the answer is not what we are doing.  It is not to continue to only focus on things like institutional racism, white previledge, racial profiling.  There needs to be a new focus on improving pride, family, community, and hope.   There needs to be instilled a sense that blacks can succeed in this system.  The primary focus now needs to be within the black community.  

Great post Jon. 

 

[timschochet]

I think it’s important to recognize that people can question outcomes and statistics and wonder what the possible reasons are - and even get things wrong - without being rampant anti-semites or racists.  It’s hard during current times to hold back and think “huh, maybe I can help him understand” but it’s crucial to start there instead of assuming the worst in my opinion.  I’m not always as generous in reading what people write as I’d like to be, but we should all try.

You’re absolutely right. In general. On the other hand, sometimes you can sense things in the way somebody writes, in the tone of how they present their information or questions. Call it intuition. In any case, it’s my opinion. 

 

[timschochet]

His post is neither anti-Semitic nor racist.

I’m not sure about the first, pretty darn sure about the second. You’re entitled to disagree. 

 

[jon_mx]

I have studied the history of American Jews pretty extensively and I honestly have no idea what you’re referring to. Jews were quietly not allowed to own homes in certain wealthy areas or belong to Christian country clubs; they faced discrimination in some businesses and corporations. But the overt level of Jim Crow bigotry has never existed against Jews in this country. 

Also your $400,000 median income for Jews is complete BS- per Wikipedia, it’s around $150,000. I wonder if this isn’t some sort of crude anti-semitism on your part, since the rest of your post seems to be rooted in anti-black racism. 

He was talking net worth, which is quite different than income.  I do not know the stats, but i would guess if average household incomes is in the neighborhood of $150K, the average net worth would be north of $400K. 

 

[parasaurolophus]

He was talking net worth, which is quite different than income.  I do not know the stats, but i would guess if average household incomes is in the neighborhood of $150K, the average net worth would be north of $400K. 

Ooooops. Tim played that card poorly.

 

[timschochet]

He was talking net worth, which is quite different than income.  I do not know the stats, but i would guess if average household incomes is in the neighborhood of $150K, the average net worth would be north of $400K. 

You’re right. Thanks for catching that; I did not, and I misunderstood. 

I stand by the rest of what I wrote though. His comments about the treatment of Jews in our history are bizarre and incorrect, and the overall tone of his post was, IMO, blatantly racist. 

 

[jon_mx]

You’re right. Thanks for catching that; I did not, and I misunderstood. 

I stand by the rest of what I wrote though. His comments about the treatment of Jews in our history are bizarre and incorrect, and the overall tone of his post was, IMO, blatantly racist. 

It is hard to tell the tone from a post, but what was stated was not blantantly racist.  To me it came across as quite sympathetic to the plight of minorities.  Maybe he was a bit off on some of the historical facts, but I fail to see anything in the post which is blantantly racist.  

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Ooooops. Tim played that card poorly.

And he's doubled down

 

[timschochet]

It is hard to tell the tone from a post, but what was stated was not blantantly racist.  To me it came across as quite sympathetic to the plight of minorities.  Maybe he was a bit off on some of the historical facts, but I fail to see anything in the post which is blantantly racist.  

As I told jonessed you’re entitled to disagree. But let me unpack my reasoning: what he does is compare blacks to other minorities who have supposedly struggled in similar fashion, and then note that the other minorities have succeeded in our society at a much higher level than blacks have. He then pretends to be honestly puzzled as to why this is so, and challenges the reader to draw their own opinions. 

I’ve read plenty of stuff like this before from white supremacists and the like. As I mentioned it has a certain tone to it. It’s designed to appear to be analytical and fact based, but it’s message is pretty clear at least to me. 

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

A black male might wake up in the morning and his first thoughts are about whether he's going to be shot by some guy from a block over.  A white make wakes up in the morning and his first thoughts are about what to have for breakfast.  That's a pretty big difference, right?  Which of those two people is going to have an easier time focusing on their education, building a good resume, establishing a professional network, and generally getting ahead in life?

In fact, not only is the white guy in this example playing his life on easy mode, but he faces a significantly different set of incentives.  A safe, stable environment encourages long-term investments like education and saving.  If you think you're likely to get killed or incarcerated anyway, why bother wasting time and resources on stuff like that?  So those environmental differences might also result in different group-level outcomes through rational decision making.

(We're obviously engaging in some statistical generalization here.  Not all black males live in south central LA, and not all white males live in rural Nebraska.  But it should be obvious and indisputable that, on average, the typical white guy lives in a safer environment and has a better family situation than the typical black guy.  And that clearly matters).

Weird.  My black neighbor hopefully didn't wake up wondering if he's going to be shot a block from here.  And the lead story on the morning news was a white dude getting shot.  

 

[jonessed]

As I told jonessed you’re entitled to disagree. But let me unpack my reasoning: what he does is compare blacks to other minorities who have supposedly struggled in similar fashion, and then note that the other minorities have succeeded in our society at a much higher level than blacks have. He then pretends to be honestly puzzled as to why this is so, and challenges the reader to draw their own opinions. 

I’ve read plenty of stuff like this before from white supremacists and the like. As I mentioned it has a certain tone to it. It’s designed to appear to be analytical and fact based, but it’s message is pretty clear at least to me. 

Tone?  You are calling people white supremecists because their otherwise analytical and fact-based message has a certain “tone” to it?

What the #### is wrong with you?

 

[IvanKaramazov]

But why is that called 'white previledge'.  That is not a previledge.  It is a tragiedy that we have crime-ridden inner city ghettos with schools in those neighborhoods which are not conducive to education.  It should be called what it is, not some term which creates even more racial division than there already is. 

I agree with you on this point.  "White privilege" makes it sound as if somebody is doing white people a favor that should be taken away.  Nobody is arguing that more white people should be shot by police or that white people should be assumed inferior or that white people should be exposed to more crime.  It's more that people of other races should get to go through life the way that I get to go through life.

But that's the term that people have adopted, and there's no point in getting hung up on the semantics.

 

[timschochet]

Tone?  You are calling people white supremecists because their otherwise analytical and fact-based message has a certain “tone” to it?

What the #### is wrong with you?

Nothing I hope. 

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Weird.  My black neighbor hopefully didn't wake up wondering if he's going to be shot a block from here.  And the lead story on the morning news was a white dude getting shot.  

Your anecdote doesn't change the underlying statistics.  

 

[GoBirds]

As I told jonessed you’re entitled to disagree. But let me unpack my reasoning: what he does is compare blacks to other minorities who have supposedly struggled in similar fashion, and then note that the other minorities have succeeded in our society at a much higher level than blacks have. He then pretends to be honestly puzzled as to why this is so, and challenges the reader to draw their own opinions. 

I’ve read plenty of stuff like this before from white supremacists and the like. As I mentioned it has a certain tone to it. It’s designed to appear to be analytical and fact based, but it’s message is pretty clear at least to me. 

Tim, this is about the worst I've seen from you. Comparing a poster to a white supremacist, come on man be better than that. Just because someone doesn't agree with you doesn't warrant baseless attacks like that. 

 

[parasaurolophus]

I just realized what tim is up to here. He didnt play it too early. He did it on purpose. He knew exactly what he was doing. The clique will be in soon to point out how upset people are about being called racist. You guys all know the talking point. 

 

[timschochet]

I just realized what tim is up to here. He didnt play it too early. He did it on purpose. He knew exactly what he was doing. The clique will be in soon to point out how upset people are about being called racist. You guys all know the talking point. 

When you figure it all out be sure to fill me in. I thought I was offering my opinion; I’m intrigued to learn that it’s all part of a bigger scheme. 

 

[timschochet]

Tim, this is about the worst I've seen from you. Comparing a poster to a white supremacist, come on man be better than that. Just because someone doesn't agree with you doesn't warrant baseless attacks like that. 

I don’t think it’s baseless. I offered my reasoning. You’re free to reject it. 

I notice though that not one of you guys has taken the time to actually dispute my specific arguments- all I’m getting is “baseless attacks” and “what the #### is wrong with you?” 

So let me repeat it again: it’s a STANDARD white supremacist meme to compare blacks to other minorities and appear puzzled as to why blacks don’t share the same success levels. When you read that sort of rhetoric you should be automatically suspicious of the motives of the person who wrote it. I am. 

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

 

[H Jass]

I agree with you on this point.  "White privilege" makes it sound as if somebody is doing white people a favor that should be taken away.  Nobody is arguing that more white people should be shot by police or that white people should be assumed inferior or that white people should be exposed to more crime.  It's more that people of other races should get to go through life the way that I get to go through life.

But that's the term that people have adopted, and there's no point in getting hung up on the semantics.

Yeah, I guess.  It is a nasty little term that seems aimed to get people on the defensive.  Your point is not lost however.

 

[TobiasFunke]

As you noted, that is a generalization.  There are millions of middle class and wealthy black families and millions of poor white families.  

But why is that called 'white previledge'.  That is not a previledge.  It is a tragiedy that we have crime-ridden inner city ghettos with schools in those neighborhoods which are not conducive to education.  It should be called what it is, not some term which creates even more racial division than there already is.   The idea that it is the white man holding people down and we have a society where only white people succeed is the mentality that has been peddled is counter-productive.  It is not white previledge which makes the ghettos so dangerous and the schools there a complete crap show.  It is not white previledge which causes 66% of black children to be raised by a single mom.  It is not white privildge which cause black males to commit 6 times more violent crimes.  

The media does not help.  They continually focus on racism and white on black injustices.  That is still a huge problem, but this creates a myth in the minds of many blacks which makes them scared to integrate into better neighborhoods.  We have made all kinds of laws and have educated people for decades protecting the rights of blacks and reducing racist sentiment.  Maybe we are only 80% there, but where we are today is light years from where we were 50 years ago.  The problem is, we are not going to make a dent on that last 20% by forcing them to change.  The way every minority in history has ever gotten acceptance is to change those statistics above and that will never happen by blaming whites.  

I do not know the answers, but the answer is not what we are doing.  It is not to continue to only focus on things like institutional racism, white previledge, racial profiling.  There needs to be a new focus on improving pride, family, community, and hope.   There needs to be instilled a sense that blacks can succeed in this system.  The primary focus now needs to be within the black community.  

Hey remember when I asked you repeatedly whether you thought any other minority group would be better positioned than African-Americans if they faced exactly what African-Americans have faced over the history of our country and you hemmed and hawed and tried to change the subject for two days but never gave me a simple yes or no answer?

Just reminding you that you still haven't given me a simple yes or no answer.

 

[sho nuff]

Tone?  You are calling people white supremecists because their otherwise analytical and fact-based message has a certain “tone” to it?

What the #### is wrong with you?

Let’s step back here.  He did not call anyone a white supremacist.

Tim, this is about the worst I've seen from you. Comparing a poster to a white supremacist, come on man be better than that. Just because someone doesn't agree with you doesn't warrant baseless attacks like that. 

Or compare a poster to a whote supremacist.

I may not agree with his post but he compareed the time of a post to the time he has read from white supremacosts.  There is a difference there and he explains it so it’s hardly just a baseless comparison....nor was it just because someone disagreed with him. 

Mug we want good and honest discussion in this board as several have been challenged with...let’s be honest about what is being posted.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

I agree with you on this point.  "White privilege" makes it sound as if somebody is doing white people a favor that should be taken away.  Nobody is arguing that more white people should be shot by police or that white people should be assumed inferior or that white people should be exposed to more crime.  It's more that people of other races should get to go through life the way that I get to go through life.

But that's the term that people have adopted, and there's no point in getting hung up on the semantics.

I'm sure Tim is going to call me a racist too and I'll regret asking this but....  If we're going to break this down racially then how we do stop black on black crime?  Isn't that something they need to stop doing to their own race to make it safer?

 

[Henry Ford]

I never worry, concern myself with white, black, brown, yellow, green, whatever.  Why would I?

That is until it comes to sports/music. There is where things become real obvious, we do see some dramatic differences. Why some need to ignore things, talk around the obvious, why?  Reality is reality, no reason to play pretend or silly games.

I'm white and never thought about that until I started running track and playing football. Yep, there are some differences.

I’ve discussed it in a thread on this board (maybe even this one, I know it’s a year old) but the differences you’re alluding to are specific not to persons of African descent but rather solely those from the Western coast in the areas plundered by Europeans during the slave trade.  It’s just that those descendants are who we see here in the US.

What you’re referring to is not a racial difference but rather a characteristic of the fact that there is more biodiversity in humans from Africa than in the rest of the world combined and we as a society kidnapped from a very specific area of Africa. It would be like if Africans had enslaved just the Nordic peninsula and talked about how tall and blonde “white people” all are. 

Fascinating, right?

 

[timschochet]

I'm sure Tim is going to call me a racist too and I'll regret asking this but....  If we're going to break this down racially then how we do stop black on black crime?  Isn't that something they need to stop doing to their own race to make it safer?

I would never call you a racist because I’ve read enough of your posts to know you aren’t one. 

 

[jonessed]

Your anecdote doesn't change the underlying statistics.  

Are we discussing the statistical advantages of wealth and how it relates to race or “white privilege”, which, by it’s very definition, is laid at the feet of every individual who matches that description?  

I don’t think it really matters if the dead guy is white or black.  Neither one seems very priveleged.

 

[jonessed]

I don’t think it’s baseless. I offered my reasoning. You’re free to reject it. 

I notice though that not one of you guys has taken the time to actually dispute my specific arguments- all I’m getting is “baseless attacks” and “what the #### is wrong with you?” 

So let me repeat it again: it’s a STANDARD white supremacist meme to compare blacks to other minorities and appear puzzled as to why blacks don’t share the same success levels. When you read that sort of rhetoric you should be automatically suspicious of the motives of the person who wrote it. I am. 

You haven’t made an argument.  You have layered a suspicious “tone” onto a perfectly reasonable post.  That’s not an argument, that’s a guess.

 

[timschochet]

priveleged.

Just want to remind you that you mocked me for misspelling Kamala last night. 

 

[jonessed]

Let’s step back here.  He did not call anyone a white supremacist.

He most certainly did.

 

[timschochet]

You haven’t made an argument.  You have layered a suspicious “tone” onto a perfectly reasonable post.  That’s not an argument, that’s a guess.

I’m sad that you find it “perfectly reasonable.”

 

[jonessed]

Just want to remind you that you mocked me for misspelling Kamala last night. 

And?  People misspell all the time.  I didn’t post an entire topic on how great, smart, honest, and wonderful the word “privilege” is.

 

[sho nuff]

He most certainly did.

I’m not going to argue...I will ask once for you to show in his actual words where he called anyone that...I think that is a very strong accusation.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

I’m not going to argue...I will ask once for you to show in his actual words where he called anyone that...I think that is a very strong accusation.

If you're being serious he certainly insinuates it here.  If you're being the normal sho then you can play semantics with someone else.

"I’ve read plenty of stuff like this before from white supremacists and the like. As I mentioned it has a certain tone to it. It’s designed to appear to be analytical and fact based, but it’s message is pretty clear at least to me. '

 

[timschochet]

I’m not going to argue...I will ask once for you to show in his actual words where he called anyone that...I think that is a very strong accusation.

Not that important. I have no idea if he’s a white supremacist.  Wouldn’t surprise me. What he wrote could have been found in any white supremacist literature. 

 

[timschochet]

If you're being serious he certainly insinuates it here.  If you're being the normal sho then you can play semantics with someone else.

"I’ve read plenty of stuff like this before from white supremacists and the like. As I mentioned it has a certain tone to it. It’s designed to appear to be analytical and fact based, but it’s message is pretty clear at least to me. '

I did insinuate it. I stand by that. You guys didn’t falsely accuse me of anything. 

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

I did insinuate it. I stand by that. You guys didn’t falsely accuse me of anything. 

@sho nuff

 

[KarmaPolice]

Weird.  My black neighbor hopefully didn't wake up wondering if he's going to be shot a block from here.  And the lead story on the morning news was a white dude getting shot.  

Are you sure he didn't wonder that?

Regardless, that is just one example of many.  I wonder if he feels he has to act a different way if he gets pulled over.  I wonder if he has to have different conversations with his kids about what they wear, how they act.   

You guys seem to be really focused on this income thing.  The stats that people are talking about are pretty blind to income.  I don't think many in here with at straight face would say that they would switch spots with a black man at their current income levels.  

 

[sho nuff]

Not that important. I have no idea if he’s a white supremacist.  Wouldn’t surprise me. What he wrote could have been found in any white supremacist literature. 

Not really helping Tim and think about what you are writing here.  Stick with the latter and about time vs such things.  

 

[sho nuff]

I did insinuate it. I stand by that. You guys didn’t falsely accuse me of anything. 

Fair enough Tim...then I’d walk it back if I were you...there is a chasm of difference between saying someone’s tone is similar and accusing them of being a whote aurprwmacist.  The first can be defended...the second is a string accusation about someone where’s there doesn’t seem to be proof of such a thing.

 

[KarmaPolice]

I agree with you on this point.  "White privilege" makes it sound as if somebody is doing white people a favor that should be taken away.  Nobody is arguing that more white people should be shot by police or that white people should be assumed inferior or that white people should be exposed to more crime.  It's more that people of other races should get to go through life the way that I get to go through life.

But that's the term that people have adopted, and there's no point in getting hung up on the semantics.

Yeah, it's not the best term, but that's what we have to work with.   

The unfortunate thing is like you said, it puts people on the defensive and they think is something that can be taken from them or discrediting how they got where they are.  

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Are you sure he didn't wonder that?

Regardless, that is just one example of many.  I wonder if he feels he has to act a different way if he gets pulled over.  I wonder if he has to have different conversations with his kids about what they wear, how they act.   

You guys seem to be really focused on this income thing.  The stats that people are talking about are pretty blind to income.  I don't think many in here with at straight face would say that they would switch spots with a black man at their current income levels.  

No I'm not sure.  That's why I said I hope he doesn't wonder that in our neighborhood.  I guess I could ask him but that would be weird.

Stats show that very few people (black, white, or other) get shot in my county.  But if you go into the city, crime rates go up significantly for all races.  Perhaps I'm wrong but the most crime seems to be in the poorest neighborhoods.   And if you use the local news it certainly isn't limited to black folks.  There's plenty of white guys getting arrested for all kinds of stuff around here.

 

[Cowboysfan8]

I have studied the history of American Jews pretty extensively and I honestly have no idea what you’re referring to. Jews were quietly not allowed to own homes in certain wealthy areas or belong to Christian country clubs; they faced discrimination in some businesses and corporations. But the overt level of Jim Crow bigotry has never existed against Jews in this country. 

Also your $400,000 median income for Jews is complete BS- per Wikipedia, it’s around $150,000. I wonder if this isn’t some sort of crude anti-semitism on your part, since the rest of your post seems to be rooted in anti-black racism. 

smh, cmon tim....give it a rest 

 

[timschochet]

Fair enough Tim...then I’d walk it back if I were you...there is a chasm of difference between saying someone’s tone is similar and accusing them of being a whote aurprwmacist.  The first can be defended...the second is a string accusation about someone where’s there doesn’t seem to be proof of such a thing.

I’m not going to walk it back. What he wrote was, IMO, awful and racist. Does that make him a racist? Not necessarily but I wouldn’t be surprised. 

Sorry but I haven’t insulted anybody and I’m not going to apologize for feeling strongly about this. It would be dishonest of me to pretend that I thought differently. 

 

[unckeyherb]

As I told jonessed you’re entitled to disagree. But let me unpack my reasoning: what he does is compare blacks to other minorities who have supposedly struggled in similar fashion, and then note that the other minorities have succeeded in our society at a much higher level than blacks have. He then pretends to be honestly puzzled as to why this is so, and challenges the reader to draw their own opinions. 

I’ve read plenty of stuff like this before from white supremacists and the like. As I mentioned it has a certain tone to it. It’s designed to appear to be analytical and fact based, but it’s message is pretty clear at least to me. 

This is why we can’t discuss race issues in this country.  The basis of this thread is discussing the black experience in this country compared to the white experience.  Most are quick to point out that there are many quantifiable differences from one race to the other-so much so that the non-black experience is labeled as privledge. 

He then asks a question comparing one of those races under scrutiny-blacks- to any race other than white and Tim labels it racism.  It’s not racist.  You are surely entitled to your opinion, it’s just wrong in this case.

 

[timschochet]

I have to run so I won’t be able to respond for at least a couple of hours. I’m only writing this so that nobody thinks I’m deliberately ignoring them. 

 

[sho nuff]

I’m not going to walk it back. What he wrote was, IMO, awful and racist. Does that make him a racist? Not necessarily but I wouldn’t be surprised. 

Sorry but I haven’t insulted anybody and I’m not going to apologize for feeling strongly about this. It would be dishonest of me to pretend that I thought differently. 

This is a bit better.

But enjoy the mob.  I’m out.

 

[Cowboysfan8]

Not that important. I have no idea if he’s a white supremacist.  Wouldn’t surprise me. 

I don't report posters. I don't @ moderators 

But I hope you get a nice long timeout