White's weight a concern (1 Viewer)

[EBF]

Yes, McClain is a Tennessee beat writer, even though he works for the Houston Chronicle ...

McClain works out of Houston but is very tied to the Titans since he was the beat guy when they were the Oilers. He has known Fisher, Adams, etc. for a VERY long time. He has one of those relationships with Fisher where Fisher gives him the inside scoop on things and McClain doesn't burn him (i.e. The decision to take Young was made on the Wed. before the draft last year. McClain knew on Thursday, but didn't run anything about it, choosing to wait until after the draft to cover the story like everyone else.). So, as I said, if McClain is saying that Fisher isn't worried about LWhite, then Fisher isn't worried about LWhite.

That should put some of the hate to rest for a few weeks. One way or another, it's going to be very interesting to see this situation play itself out. White has the potential to make a lot of his naysayers eat crow (insert weight joke here), but I'll also acknowledge that he's hardly a lock at this point. I would be curious to find out how many of the White naysayers actually watched him play on a regular basis. I suppose I've been hyping a lot of USC players over the last couple of years (although I dogged BMW for a long time), but it was hard to watch this kid play and not be impressed. He was basically unstoppable in the second half of football games. You could almost feel the defense getting tired and demoralized after a few series of handoffs to 21.

 

[RazorsEdge]

- His body type means his weight is always going to be an issue. Bettis actually isn't a bad comparison from a purely physical standpoint. Both guys are naturally big. No amount of training is going to make them cut like the statue of David.

What does that David guy do in the 40?

 

[RazorsEdge]

The rumor is that former GM Floyd Reese wanted Devin Hester with the 2nd pick last year. They reportedly even told Hester on the phone that they were taking him. The USC doofs on the staff (Fisher and Chow), whinning that Reese picked Young over Lienart in the 1st round, got their way and they picked USC's White instead.

 

[Colin Dowling]

The rumor is that former GM Floyd Reese wanted Devin Hester with the 2nd pick last year. They reportedly even told Hester on the phone that they were taking him. The USC doofs on the staff (Fisher and Chow), whinning that Reese picked Young over Lienart in the 1st round, got their way and they picked USC's White instead.

The rumor is wrong. WHy on earth would they have wanted Hester when they already have the league's best return man?

 

[RazorsEdge]

The rumor is that former GM Floyd Reese wanted Devin Hester with the 2nd pick last year. They reportedly even told Hester on the phone that they were taking him. The USC doofs on the staff (Fisher and Chow), whinning that Reese picked Young over Lienart in the 1st round, got their way and they picked USC's White instead.

The rumor is wrong. WHy on earth would they have wanted Hester when they already have the league's best return man?

I guess Hester was making it up.

 

[Sticks2u]

260 is to much for a starting RB...I dont think there will be another bus out there for years to come...

 

[CA_7]

The rumor is that former GM Floyd Reese wanted Devin Hester with the 2nd pick last year. They reportedly even told Hester on the phone that they were taking him. The USC doofs on the staff (Fisher and Chow), whinning that Reese picked Young over Lienart in the 1st round, got their way and they picked USC's White instead.

This link seems to validate that although the Tennessean story it references is gone now...http://www.musiccitymiracles.com/story/2007/1/15/112020/258

 

[Colin Dowling]

The rumor is that former GM Floyd Reese wanted Devin Hester with the 2nd pick last year. They reportedly even told Hester on the phone that they were taking him. The USC doofs on the staff (Fisher and Chow), whinning that Reese picked Young over Lienart in the 1st round, got their way and they picked USC's White instead.

The rumor is wrong. WHy on earth would they have wanted Hester when they already have the league's best return man?

I guess Hester was making it up.

I guess he was. The chance that Floyd Reese shared war room information like that with a guy they didn't even select, is zero.

 

[stbugs]

The rumor is that former GM Floyd Reese wanted Devin Hester with the 2nd pick last year. They reportedly even told Hester on the phone that they were taking him. The USC doofs on the staff (Fisher and Chow), whinning that Reese picked Young over Lienart in the 1st round, got their way and they picked USC's White instead.

The rumor is wrong. WHy on earth would they have wanted Hester when they already have the league's best return man?

I guess Hester was making it up.

I guess he was. The chance that Floyd Reese shared war room information like that with a guy they didn't even select, is zero.

I don't think that is what the rumor is. It sounds like a case where the Titans may have been still on the clock or right before then and Reese may have been talking to Hester.I think it is may be wrong to characterize it as zero chance, when the kids that are going to get drafted get told or promised things all the time. It isn't completely out of the question that before White slid all the way down to them that Hester was the guy Reese wanted. Maybe it was all wrong, but I remember plenty of places that had White in 1st round. Once White slipped to them, the Titans may have changed their mind.Do you really think that an NFL GM has never made a promise to a kid that he would be drafted and then selected someone else instead?Also, given Pac Man's indiscretions (could be out for a year), they might have wanted a little insurance from a guy who could return kicks and play WR if needed. I know Detroit is the butt of many jokes, but I have a feeling they drafted Roy Williams knowing about Charles Rogers issues. Rogers' four game suspension in 2005 was the result of his 3rd failed test, so the Lions may have known about the first two before drafting Williams. Maybe not, but just trying to cite a similar scenario.

 

[Colin Dowling]

I didn't mean to come across heavy-handed. Yes, GMs tell people things all the time (Snyder telling Winslow he was going to the Redskins, for example). I am "blah"-ing the backstory that Fisher/Chow took White since he was an SC guy and they had wanted Leinart and Reese made them take Young.

 

[Routilla]

This hole LW story is conjuring up memories of Ron Dayne when he first came into the league.

 

[stbugs]

I didn't mean to come across heavy-handed. Yes, GMs tell people things all the time (Snyder telling Winslow he was going to the Redskins, for example). I am "blah"-ing the backstory that Fisher/Chow took White since he was an SC guy and they had wanted Leinart and Reese made them take Young.

Gotcha. By the way, I honestly think the story seemed very possible because of a)White was expected to go higher, b)Pac-man has had numerous issues, and c)if the Bears thought that highly of Hester, I would imagine other teams did as well. I could easily have seen Reese discuss picking Hester with Hester and his agent, but deciding on White since Chow coached him and he wasn't supposed to be there.I agree on the whole SC rumor. If Fisher/Chow took White only because of Leinart, then they are stupid. It is one thing to draft him because Chow is familiar with him, but to do it on a grudge doesn't seem like a smart move to me. If they really wanted Leinart that bad, they would have pressed Reese to take him.

 

[stbugs]

This hole LW story is conjuring up memories of Ron Dayne when he first came into the league.

Well then, put Lendale in a binder that says do not open until 2011 when Chow becomes coach of the Houston Texans and signs White to be a backup RB and he starts at the end of the season against a terrible Colts run defense.

 

[bostonfred]

I can't wade through this whole thread. Is he really 260? Or is it true that the Tennessee insider guy is rebutting the rumor and that LenDale is OK?

 

[Couch Potato]

I can't wade through this whole thread. Is he really 260? Or is it true that the Tennessee insider guy is rebutting the rumor and that LenDale is OK?

The thread was started 3 days ago. He's up to 265 by now.I want Michael Turner to go to Tennessee so we can have the "Pancake" / Turner RBBC

 

[cstu]

I can't wade through this whole thread. Is he really 260? Or is it true that the Tennessee insider guy is rebutting the rumor and that LenDale is OK?

The thread was started 3 days ago. He's up to 265 by now. I want Michael Turner to go to Tennessee so we can have the "Pancake" / Turner RBBC

 

[t8knovr]

I can't wade through this whole thread. Is he really 260? Or is it true that the Tennessee insider guy is rebutting the rumor and that LenDale is OK?

He was in San Diego 2 weeks ago at the Reggie Bush football camp. He was huge, at the very least 260. He wore a big short but the gut was clearly evident.

 

[CA_7]

I can't wade through this whole thread. Is he really 260? Or is it true that the Tennessee insider guy is rebutting the rumor and that LenDale is OK?

He was in San Diego 2 weeks ago at the Reggie Bush football camp. He was huge, at the very least 260. He wore a big short but the gut was clearly evident.

I actually heard this from an SC fan:"I saw LenDale a couple of days ago, and standing right next to him, he didn't look that bad, but he didn't necessarily look great either. I would guess about 240, maybe a little more, and a bit of a gut, but then again he's never had a physique like Reggie."

 

[wannabee]

I can't wade through this whole thread. Is he really 260? Or is it true that the Tennessee insider guy is rebutting the rumor and that LenDale is OK?

The thread was started 3 days ago. He's up to 265 by now.I want Michael Turner to go to Tennessee so we can have the "Pancake" / Turner RBBC

I saw another site call him "LenWhale" .....

 

[Bob Magaw]

a few more weeks of this thread & he'll be big enough to line up at NT...

 

[bostonfred]

I remember when a thread like this used to have facts in it. Now we get a dozen decent posts in a three page thread, and the one thing the thread's supposedly about, nobody's interested in. I went back and read the thread thinking maybe I was just being lazy by asking someone to answer it, but apparently, I was almost completely alone in actually reading this for information about a starting RB in the NFL. The offseason used to be worth sticking around for; now I'm not so sure.

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

I remember when a thread like this used to have facts in it. Now we get a dozen decent posts in a three page thread, and the one thing the thread's supposedly about, nobody's interested in. I went back and read the thread thinking maybe I was just being lazy by asking someone to answer it, but apparently, I was almost completely alone in actually reading this for information about a starting RB in the NFL. The offseason used to be worth sticking around for; now I'm not so sure.

Well, for what it's worth you summarized the situation pretty well in your earlier post. One guy claimed LW weighs in at 260. The writer from Houston (who is close to Fisher) said the report was inaccurate. After that, everything is just LW bashing - similar to the annoying Benson-Jones threads we had to suffer through on a weekly basis last year.

 

[msommer]

a few more weeks of this thread & he'll be big enough to line up at NT...

Robaire is no longer on the roster, so having an extra DT would not be so bad...

 

[msommer]

I remember when a thread like this used to have facts in it. Now we get a dozen decent posts in a three page thread, and the one thing the thread's supposedly about, nobody's interested in. I went back and read the thread thinking maybe I was just being lazy by asking someone to answer it, but apparently, I was almost completely alone in actually reading this for information about a starting RB in the NFL. The offseason used to be worth sticking around for; now I'm not so sure.

old geezer

 

[bostonfred]

I remember when a thread like this used to have facts in it. Now we get a dozen decent posts in a three page thread, and the one thing the thread's supposedly about, nobody's interested in. I went back and read the thread thinking maybe I was just being lazy by asking someone to answer it, but apparently, I was almost completely alone in actually reading this for information about a starting RB in the NFL. The offseason used to be worth sticking around for; now I'm not so sure.

Well, for what it's worth you summarized the situation pretty well in your earlier post. One guy claimed LW weighs in at 260. The writer from Houston (who is close to Fisher) said the report was inaccurate. After that, everything is just LW bashing - similar to the annoying Benson-Jones threads we had to suffer through on a weekly basis last year.

What frustrates me is that the Shark Pool used to be heavily moderated (no ####ing in the Shark Pool, jokes and non sequiturs were moved to the FFA) while the FFA used to actually be free for all. Now, the FFA is the one that's moderated, arguably too heavily, while the quality of the Shark Pool is arguably in decline. There's a thread on the first page about Corey Dillon going to Tennessee. That seems pretty important to me, especially if the LenDale rumor is true. But it hasn't been mentioned in this thread, because this thread has officially become the "Make fat jokes about LenDale White" thread. Sure, people can just read the blogger. But the idea behind the shark pool used to be that we'd get a thread about a player, talk through the various pieces of news we'd heard about him, and people would respond to posts on their merit. If a piece of news came out, we'd see a bunch of posts about that news, and people would discuss who on the team benefits, and who suffers. Now, we get longtime posters, new posters, and staff members alike making jokes about a starting running back and continuing their personal jokes from thread to thread. I don't care if there's a guy here who knew all along that LenDale was going to be a bust, or another guy who knows that LenDale's going to break out. I don't care if you make a funny joke about LenWhale or LenDale Whitecastle. Once in a while that stuff's fine. But all we get in most of these threads is a bunch of worthless noise, and it keeps people from even trying to have a serious conversation about players. I think LenDale could be a very good fantasy player this year. A big, bruising Tennessee running back could be very successful with a coach that likes to run and has had successful backfields with less talent in the past. Vince Young is an exciting young player, but Fisher will want to protect him in his second year by establishing a running game and giving Young more room to run and more time to pass. But if it's true that White has gotten fat, or that Dillon is going to join the team, I think that whole situation turns into a mess. I have White in a keeper league, and I'm considering acquiring him in a dynasty league. This thread has done very little to help me with that decision, and it's frustrating.

 

[massraider]

I remember when a thread like this used to have facts in it. Now we get a dozen decent posts in a three page thread, and the one thing the thread's supposedly about, nobody's interested in. I went back and read the thread thinking maybe I was just being lazy by asking someone to answer it, but apparently, I was almost completely alone in actually reading this for information about a starting RB in the NFL. The offseason used to be worth sticking around for; now I'm not so sure.

Well, for what it's worth you summarized the situation pretty well in your earlier post. One guy claimed LW weighs in at 260. The writer from Houston (who is close to Fisher) said the report was inaccurate. After that, everything is just LW bashing - similar to the annoying Benson-Jones threads we had to suffer through on a weekly basis last year.

What frustrates me is that the Shark Pool used to be heavily moderated (no ####ing in the Shark Pool, jokes and non sequiturs were moved to the FFA) while the FFA used to actually be free for all. Now, the FFA is the one that's moderated, arguably too heavily, while the quality of the Shark Pool is arguably in decline. There's a thread on the first page about Corey Dillon going to Tennessee. That seems pretty important to me, especially if the LenDale rumor is true. But it hasn't been mentioned in this thread, because this thread has officially become the "Make fat jokes about LenDale White" thread. Sure, people can just read the blogger. But the idea behind the shark pool used to be that we'd get a thread about a player, talk through the various pieces of news we'd heard about him, and people would respond to posts on their merit. If a piece of news came out, we'd see a bunch of posts about that news, and people would discuss who on the team benefits, and who suffers. Now, we get longtime posters, new posters, and staff members alike making jokes about a starting running back and continuing their personal jokes from thread to thread. I don't care if there's a guy here who knew all along that LenDale was going to be a bust, or another guy who knows that LenDale's going to break out. I don't care if you make a funny joke about LenWhale or LenDale Whitecastle. Once in a while that stuff's fine. But all we get in most of these threads is a bunch of worthless noise, and it keeps people from even trying to have a serious conversation about players. I think LenDale could be a very good fantasy player this year. A big, bruising Tennessee running back could be very successful with a coach that likes to run and has had successful backfields with less talent in the past. Vince Young is an exciting young player, but Fisher will want to protect him in his second year by establishing a running game and giving Young more room to run and more time to pass. But if it's true that White has gotten fat, or that Dillon is going to join the team, I think that whole situation turns into a mess. I have White in a keeper league, and I'm considering acquiring him in a dynasty league. This thread has done very little to help me with that decision, and it's frustrating.

 

[Q-Bert]

I remember when a thread like this used to have facts in it. Now we get a dozen decent posts in a three page thread, and the one thing the thread's supposedly about, nobody's interested in. I went back and read the thread thinking maybe I was just being lazy by asking someone to answer it, but apparently, I was almost completely alone in actually reading this for information about a starting RB in the NFL. The offseason used to be worth sticking around for; now I'm not so sure.

Well, for what it's worth you summarized the situation pretty well in your earlier post. One guy claimed LW weighs in at 260. The writer from Houston (who is close to Fisher) said the report was inaccurate. After that, everything is just LW bashing - similar to the annoying Benson-Jones threads we had to suffer through on a weekly basis last year.

What frustrates me is that the Shark Pool used to be heavily moderated (no ####ing in the Shark Pool, jokes and non sequiturs were moved to the FFA) while the FFA used to actually be free for all. Now, the FFA is the one that's moderated, arguably too heavily, while the quality of the Shark Pool is arguably in decline. There's a thread on the first page about Corey Dillon going to Tennessee. That seems pretty important to me, especially if the LenDale rumor is true. But it hasn't been mentioned in this thread, because this thread has officially become the "Make fat jokes about LenDale White" thread. Sure, people can just read the blogger. But the idea behind the shark pool used to be that we'd get a thread about a player, talk through the various pieces of news we'd heard about him, and people would respond to posts on their merit. If a piece of news came out, we'd see a bunch of posts about that news, and people would discuss who on the team benefits, and who suffers. Now, we get longtime posters, new posters, and staff members alike making jokes about a starting running back and continuing their personal jokes from thread to thread. I don't care if there's a guy here who knew all along that LenDale was going to be a bust, or another guy who knows that LenDale's going to break out. I don't care if you make a funny joke about LenWhale or LenDale Whitecastle. Once in a while that stuff's fine. But all we get in most of these threads is a bunch of worthless noise, and it keeps people from even trying to have a serious conversation about players. I think LenDale could be a very good fantasy player this year. A big, bruising Tennessee running back could be very successful with a coach that likes to run and has had successful backfields with less talent in the past. Vince Young is an exciting young player, but Fisher will want to protect him in his second year by establishing a running game and giving Young more room to run and more time to pass. But if it's true that White has gotten fat, or that Dillon is going to join the team, I think that whole situation turns into a mess. I have White in a keeper league, and I'm considering acquiring him in a dynasty league. This thread has done very little to help me with that decision, and it's frustrating.

My take is that if the Titans acquire Corey Dillon it has very little impact on LenDale's value. Dillon is old. OLD. He is 32 and at this point would be best used for no more than 10 carries per game. If this is the signing I would feel comfortable projecting around 100-150 carries for Dillon and 220-270 for LenDale. They are going to bring someone in to take a few carries a game and provide some injury/bust protection. As a LenDale owner I would really like if the guy they bring in is an old vet.However, I am terrified of Michael Turner. If he comes in via restricted free agency and a trade with the Chargers I think it is horrible news for LenDale. As an owner of both in my dynasty league this is the absolute nightmare scenario. Two young guys with similar skill sets (large, powerful, quick for their size) on the same team. In my opinion Turner to the Titans tells me that the Titans are extremely concerned with LenDale's potential and are bordering on completely giving up on him. I really hope that isn't the case.

 

[Guinis72]

I agree 100% Q-Bert.

As a LenDale owner, I would be thrilled if Dillon is who they bring in because that tells me they're just looking for someone to bridge the gap until LenDale can become a full time back (or at least are giving him a chance to prove it one way or the other).

If Turner goes to TEN, I think he outperforms LenDale by a large margin (no pun intented) and never looks back. If TEN ends up giving up their 1st rounder for Turner, I think that really says they have 0 faith in LenDale and are treating the situation as if they don't have any RBs.

 

[Bob Magaw]

another possibility is realizing that there isn't always a one-to-one corresondence between fantasy football & real world...

it may not be so simple as titans love white & don't feel need for another strong RB, or that they hate him & have given up on him if they get turner...

it could be that they have bought into philosophy that two RBs is necessity...

chow & white have been down that road before in USC, when bush was also in mix...

both deuce & bush saw a lot of action in NO, etc...

with VY being one of best running QBs in NFL (second best after vick?), a lineup that included tag team RB duo of turner & white could field a devastating run game...

no doubt, white owners don't want to see turner in TEN, and it absolutely could impact on his value as fantasy scorer... but not sure if we can conclude from reported interest in turner that the organization has given up on white...

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

I remember when a thread like this used to have facts in it. Now we get a dozen decent posts in a three page thread, and the one thing the thread's supposedly about, nobody's interested in. I went back and read the thread thinking maybe I was just being lazy by asking someone to answer it, but apparently, I was almost completely alone in actually reading this for information about a starting RB in the NFL. The offseason used to be worth sticking around for; now I'm not so sure.

Well, for what it's worth you summarized the situation pretty well in your earlier post. One guy claimed LW weighs in at 260. The writer from Houston (who is close to Fisher) said the report was inaccurate. After that, everything is just LW bashing - similar to the annoying Benson-Jones threads we had to suffer through on a weekly basis last year.

What frustrates me is that the Shark Pool used to be heavily moderated (no ####ing in the Shark Pool, jokes and non sequiturs were moved to the FFA) while the FFA used to actually be free for all. Now, the FFA is the one that's moderated, arguably too heavily, while the quality of the Shark Pool is arguably in decline. There's a thread on the first page about Corey Dillon going to Tennessee. That seems pretty important to me, especially if the LenDale rumor is true. But it hasn't been mentioned in this thread, because this thread has officially become the "Make fat jokes about LenDale White" thread. Sure, people can just read the blogger. But the idea behind the shark pool used to be that we'd get a thread about a player, talk through the various pieces of news we'd heard about him, and people would respond to posts on their merit. If a piece of news came out, we'd see a bunch of posts about that news, and people would discuss who on the team benefits, and who suffers. Now, we get longtime posters, new posters, and staff members alike making jokes about a starting running back and continuing their personal jokes from thread to thread. I don't care if there's a guy here who knew all along that LenDale was going to be a bust, or another guy who knows that LenDale's going to break out. I don't care if you make a funny joke about LenWhale or LenDale Whitecastle. Once in a while that stuff's fine. But all we get in most of these threads is a bunch of worthless noise, and it keeps people from even trying to have a serious conversation about players. I think LenDale could be a very good fantasy player this year. A big, bruising Tennessee running back could be very successful with a coach that likes to run and has had successful backfields with less talent in the past. Vince Young is an exciting young player, but Fisher will want to protect him in his second year by establishing a running game and giving Young more room to run and more time to pass. But if it's true that White has gotten fat, or that Dillon is going to join the team, I think that whole situation turns into a mess. I have White in a keeper league, and I'm considering acquiring him in a dynasty league. This thread has done very little to help me with that decision, and it's frustrating.

bostonfred,Frankly in the time it took you to post all the above, you could have read the whole thread (and likely did).It's a thin line - do we punt all jokes / sarcasm and let no one have any "fun" in the Shark Pool? Or do we allow a little joking as long as it is not in poor taste, especially in a slower time of year (Feb-May) so that people can enjoy themselves now and then?You bring up the FFA, and that's really a completely different animal. Many SP regulars don't even venture over there for the same reasons, but there is value to be found there as well if you can sift through the cliques and the nonsensical posts. I'll make jokes now and then, but for the most part I know that I have to be mostly on-focus to NFL / college football in the SP. However, I'm not going to step in and prune a 120-post thread for the sake of ease of reading in March/April.The summary is simple - LenDale is not a physical specimen, and there are concerns about (A) performance, (B) weight, (C.) attitude, and (D) other backs coming to challenge for the job. That enough makes me want to avoid him entirely. Some like yourself still like him, and I hope you draft him so that others may fall down to me later in my / our drafts.

 

[bostonfred]

bostonfred,Frankly in the time it took you to post all the above, you could have read the whole thread (and likely did).It's a thin line - do we punt all jokes / sarcasm and let no one have any "fun" in the Shark Pool? Or do we allow a little joking as long as it is not in poor taste, especially in a slower time of year (Feb-May) so that people can enjoy themselves now and then?You bring up the FFA, and that's really a completely different animal. Many SP regulars don't even venture over there for the same reasons, but there is value to be found there as well if you can sift through the cliques and the nonsensical posts. I'll make jokes now and then, but for the most part I know that I have to be mostly on-focus to NFL / college football in the SP. However, I'm not going to step in and prune a 120-post thread for the sake of ease of reading in March/April.

It's not about this thread, Jeff. The reason threads like this get to 120 posts with 110 posts of jokes and 10 posts of content is because that's how the board is moderated. It used to be moderated differently. It used to be that occasional jokes from the regulars were overlooked, but for the most part, if you went off topic, you were warned. Once more people started to come on board, it got a lot harder to moderate it that way, because warning one of the 10,000 members doesn't help once there's 20,000 members the following year. But the fact remains that people treat this like a football oriented chat room, and that's nowhere near as valuable as what this board used to be. I understand that you think you're only making jokes now and then. I do, too - I'm as guilty of it as anyone. But the reality is that the jokes aren't that funny and the board isn't as valuable when you get threads like this. I don't know what the answer is, but it's worth discussing.

 

[bostonfred]

The summary is simple - LenDale is not a physical specimen, and there are concerns about (A) performance, (B) weight, (C.) attitude, and (D) other backs coming to challenge for the job. That enough makes me want to avoid him entirely. Some like yourself still like him, and I hope you draft him so that others may fall down to me later in my / our drafts.

I completely disagree with this statement. Whether you like White or not, he's worth a flier at some point in your draft. I don't know much about his attitude or weight - the only thing we know is it wasn't good last season when he was third on the depth chart and sitting next to Chris Brown who wasn't happy either. There's a rumor that he showed up at 260, and there's an insider who challenges that rumor. So we don't know much. I don't know if there are other backs coming to challenge for the job. I know that Tennessee is looking at other backs, and wants him to have some competition, but they may specifically look for less talented backs or veterans in the hopes that he'll start. If Dillon signs, it will be because Dillon has a chance at the starting job. I believe the reason Dillon wanted out of New England is that he wants to take his best shot at getting hall of fame numbers, and that means having one more awesome season as a starter. I don't know if he'll get the opportunity or if his skills are still there, but I think that's what he wants. And I think Dillon is one of the best veterans remaining on the market, so the competition angle isn't that steep - unless they trade for Turner. If they draft his competition, it won't be one of the top two guys in the draft, and the rest are considered decent but not great prospects. Again, I don't think White will be frozen out of the job by whoever they might draft. Which leaves us with his performance from last year. I don't know what to make of that. Henry had his best season in a long time and he earned that job. He had a very good year. White didn't break through, but when they were breaking in a rookie QB, they probably didn't want a rookie RB to miss blocking assignments. This year may be different. I'm really interested in what White - and Tennessee - does this offseason. I understand that you're willing to cross a potential starting running back in the NFL off your draft board, but I'm not.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

The summary is simple - LenDale is not a physical specimen, and there are concerns about (A) performance, (B) weight, (C.) attitude, and (D) other backs coming to challenge for the job. That enough makes me want to avoid him entirely. Some like yourself still like him, and I hope you draft him so that others may fall down to me later in my / our drafts.

I completely disagree with this statement. Whether you like White or not, he's worth a flier at some point in your draft. I don't know much about his attitude or weight - the only thing we know is it wasn't good last season when he was third on the depth chart and sitting next to Chris Brown who wasn't happy either. There's a rumor that he showed up at 260, and there's an insider who challenges that rumor. So we don't know much. I don't know if there are other backs coming to challenge for the job. I know that Tennessee is looking at other backs, and wants him to have some competition, but they may specifically look for less talented backs or veterans in the hopes that he'll start. If Dillon signs, it will be because Dillon has a chance at the starting job. I believe the reason Dillon wanted out of New England is that he wants to take his best shot at getting hall of fame numbers, and that means having one more awesome season as a starter. I don't know if he'll get the opportunity or if his skills are still there, but I think that's what he wants. And I think Dillon is one of the best veterans remaining on the market, so the competition angle isn't that steep - unless they trade for Turner. If they draft his competition, it won't be one of the top two guys in the draft, and the rest are considered decent but not great prospects. Again, I don't think White will be frozen out of the job by whoever they might draft. Which leaves us with his performance from last year. I don't know what to make of that. Henry had his best season in a long time and he earned that job. He had a very good year. White didn't break through, but when they were breaking in a rookie QB, they probably didn't want a rookie RB to miss blocking assignments. This year may be different. I'm really interested in what White - and Tennessee - does this offseason. I understand that you're willing to cross a potential starting running back in the NFL off your draft board, but I'm not.

I'll clarify the statement - I will take him much later than someone else and hope someone makes up my mind for me. He's not going to be drafted as a starter for me, that's for sure. If he will be there for my 3rd or 4th RB selection, then I might take a shot, but there's no way I take him earlier than that.He's a HUGE risk right now, but the upside is there. If he doesn't get new backfield teammates, he is a value. I'd put him slightly ahead of the likes of Anthony Thomas and Vernand Morency but behind a few of the productive RBs that are technically #2 on their respective teams like Barber/JJones, Rube/BJacobs, and FTaylor/MJD. All 6 should go ahead of LenDale, or close to it, IMHO.Things can (and will) change as July approaches, but that's how I see it today.

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

I'll clarify the statement - I will take him much later than someone else and hope someone makes up my mind for me. He's not going to be drafted as a starter for me, that's for sure. If he will be there for my 3rd or 4th RB selection, then I might take a shot, but there's no way I take him earlier than that.He's a HUGE risk right now, but the upside is there. If he doesn't get new backfield teammates, he is a value. I'd put him slightly ahead of the likes of Anthony Thomas and Vernand Morency but behind a few of the productive RBs that are technically #2 on their respective teams like Barber/JJones, Rube/BJacobs, and FTaylor/MJD. All 6 should go ahead of LenDale, or close to it, IMHO.Things can (and will) change as July approaches, but that's how I see it today.

Interesting. In dynasty, I'd put Lendale WAY ahead of Thomas, Morency and Droughns, probably even F Taylor. A-Train had one great season, and has done little since. His future is already behind him. Morency's upside is Kevin Faulk - but he'll likely be closer to Maurice Morris. Droughns won't be the starter (if he is that's great, I'm an owner), and Fragile Fred only has 1-2 more years left in a reduced role. All of these guys will have close to zero value in 1 more year (maybe 2 years). Lendale is what, 22 years old? Drafted in the 2nd round by his former college O-coordinator. The Titans aren't known for wasting draft picks - so there must have been a reason for drafting Lendale. Only the possibility of a Turner trade will scare me off.

 

[EBF]

I'll clarify the statement - I will take him much later than someone else and hope someone makes up my mind for me. He's not going to be drafted as a starter for me, that's for sure. If he will be there for my 3rd or 4th RB selection, then I might take a shot, but there's no way I take him earlier than that.He's a HUGE risk right now, but the upside is there. If he doesn't get new backfield teammates, he is a value. I'd put him slightly ahead of the likes of Anthony Thomas and Vernand Morency but behind a few of the productive RBs that are technically #2 on their respective teams like Barber/JJones, Rube/BJacobs, and FTaylor/MJD. All 6 should go ahead of LenDale, or close to it, IMHO.Things can (and will) change as July approaches, but that's how I see it today.

Interesting. In dynasty, I'd put Lendale WAY ahead of Thomas, Morency and Droughns, probably even F Taylor. A-Train had one great season, and has done little since. His future is already behind him. Morency's upside is Kevin Faulk - but he'll likely be closer to Maurice Morris. Droughns won't be the starter (if he is that's great, I'm an owner), and Fragile Fred only has 1-2 more years left in a reduced role. All of these guys will have close to zero value in 1 more year (maybe 2 years). Lendale is what, 22 years old? Drafted in the 2nd round by his former college O-coordinator. The Titans aren't known for wasting draft picks - so there must have been a reason for drafting Lendale. Only the possibility of a Turner trade will scare me off.

Yea, Anthony Thomas isn't even in the same stratosphere as White. The guy will probably never again rush for more than 500 yards in a season, let alone become a consistent FF starter.

 

[bigreese82]

From today's Tennessean:

Big deal? Running back LenDale White was heavy when he began the team's offseason conditioning program last month, but contrary to reports, he didn't weigh in at 260 pounds.

White played last season around 230 pounds, and that's about where the Titans want him this fall.

"Players are going to gain some weight from the time the season ends and the start of the offseason program. It is not unusual,'' Fisher said. "The key is to be able to handle the workload and have the weight come off. I don't anticipate it being any problem.

"LenDale has been participating and he is working hard. It is what we expect of him.''

Fisher refused to divulge White's weight, but one team official said the second-year pro had lost nine pounds in the past two weeks.

 

[BigJim®]

From today's Tennessean:Big deal? Running back LenDale White was heavy when he began the team's offseason conditioning program last month, but contrary to reports, he didn't weigh in at 260 pounds.White played last season around 230 pounds, and that's about where the Titans want him this fall."Players are going to gain some weight from the time the season ends and the start of the offseason program. It is not unusual,'' Fisher said. "The key is to be able to handle the workload and have the weight come off. I don't anticipate it being any problem."LenDale has been participating and he is working hard. It is what we expect of him.''Fisher refused to divulge White's weight, but one team official said the second-year pro had lost nine pounds in the past two weeks.

The more I read of these sorts of "no info denials" I become more convined of he authenticity of the initial report. They won't say what he weighed but they will say he's lost 9 pounds in 2 weeks? Riiiiight.

 

[jurb26]

From today's Tennessean:Big deal? Running back LenDale White was heavy when he began the team's offseason conditioning program last month, but contrary to reports, he didn't weigh in at 260 pounds.White played last season around 230 pounds, and that's about where the Titans want him this fall."Players are going to gain some weight from the time the season ends and the start of the offseason program. It is not unusual,'' Fisher said. "The key is to be able to handle the workload and have the weight come off. I don't anticipate it being any problem."LenDale has been participating and he is working hard. It is what we expect of him.''Fisher refused to divulge White's weight, but one team official said the second-year pro had lost nine pounds in the past two weeks.

The more I read of these sorts of "no info denials" I become more convined of he authenticity of the initial report. They won't say what he weighed but they will say he's lost 9 pounds in 2 weeks? Riiiiight.

Who the hell cares if he is near his playing weight come the start of the season? He is at the conditioning program and doing the things he needs to do.

 

[Erin Go Bragh]

Full disclosure...I own Lendale White in both of my dynasty leagues.

Nevertheless and FWIW, Jim Wyatt of the Nashville Tennesean was on sports radio in Jacksonville today talking mainly about the PacMan crap. On the subject of Lendale, he said he came in around 250-255 despite reports that he was as high as 265. He said the 250 was about the weight he came in at last year after they drafted him. He also said that White has already lost 10-15 pounds since he started the offseason workout program, so that would put him in the 235-245 range.

Wyatt said the team is definitely interested in Michael Turner because it wants to have two backs to share the load but they are only going to get him if the Chargers lower their asking price. He confirmed that Corey Dillon is the fallback plan.

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

Full disclosure...I own Lendale White in both of my dynasty leagues.Nevertheless and FWIW, Jim Wyatt of the Nashville Tennesean was on sports radio in Jacksonville today talking mainly about the PacMan crap. On the subject of Lendale, he said he came in around 250-255 despite reports that he was as high as 265. He said the 250 was about the weight he came in at last year after they drafted him. He also said that White has already lost 10-15 pounds since he started the offseason workout program, so that would put him in the 235-245 range.Wyatt said the team is definitely interested in Michael Turner because it wants to have two backs to share the load but they are only going to get him if the Chargers lower their asking price. He confirmed that Corey Dillon is the fallback plan.

Thanks for sharing EGB. I don't know how reliable Wyatt is, but I'd call that lukewarm news for Lendale owners. It sounds like White really was close to 260 (255 is close enough).....and while it's comforting that he's lost 10-15 pounds already, it begs the question of whether or not this guy worked out during the offseason. I honestly don't care if he gained a bit of fat -- what I DO care about is whether or not he is able to put on muscle mass and tone up before camp. This guy has all the talent in the world - but unless he hits the weights, it won't matter.The Turner news is nothing surprising - and it makes sense that Dillon is the fallback. Always tough (especially with a smart team like Tennessee) to figure out how much of what they say is pure posturing. Do they really want Turner? Probably. Will they pay a high price? Who knows. Despite some comments on this board, I think Dillon makes a ton of sense for this team. It buys them another year to see if Lendale is the answer. If not, they find a young RB in next year's draft or in free agency.

 

[Colin Dowling]

Wyatt is very reliable.

 

[CA_7]

RB White's goal: proving he belongs

By Bill Williamson, Denver Post Broncos, NFL Beat Reporter

Article Last Updated: 04/21/2007 10:53:48 PM MDT

A year ago, LenDale White was hoping predictions of his free-fall on the NFL draft board were just part of baseless speculation. They weren't.

The Denver native and former Southern California standout running back tumbled from being a projected top-10 pick to No. 45, where Tennessee grabbed him after an offseason filled with concern over his weight and injuries.

As a new crop of players makes its final preparations attempting to avoid a similar fate, the memory remains fresh for White.

"To be honest, every time I think about it, it makes me upset," White said last week after participating in the Titans' offseason conditioning program. "But it makes me want to go out and work harder and prove that I should have been picked earlier. But I also want to show that coach (Jeff) Fisher and the Titans made the right decision."

The Titans are counting on the Chatfield High School graduate. White said he has been told he has an opportunity to be the starting tailback this season as a replacement for Travis Henry, who signed with the Broncos.

White says he is mentally and physically prepared to be the Titans' starting tailback. White didn't wait to be asked about his weight in a brief interview. He brought up an Internet report last month that said he came to the conditioning program weighing 260 pounds. He said he reported at 250, and now weighs 245.

"I was not 260, let's go to the source," White said. "I'm good. People like talking about things, but my weight is good. I'm not going to let this opportunity pass by me. I am going to take advantage.

"Even though I fell in the draft, I am in a great situation. I love being on this team. We're a good team, and I hope to make us better."

White rushed for 244 yards on 61 carries as a rookie.

"I'll show everyone I belong," he said.

Count White among those who wish the Titans still had the services of cornerback Adam "Pacman" Jones, who was suspended this month by NFL commissioner Roger Goodell after a series of off-field incidents.

"It hurts that he won't be there," White said. "Honestly, Pac is a good guy. He is a great player and he is a good guy in the locker room.

"Our commissioner is taking an approach that he is not going to tolerate any problems. But I wish Pacman the best, and hope he comes back from this."

http://www.denverpost.com/ci_5719665?source=rss

 

[redman]

My feeling is that White's going to be one of those players whose weight fluctuates just because of his body type, and because he's not a workout warrior. It sounds to me like he makes it work kind of the way that Bettis did. It's not ideal from a fantasy owner standpoint because it will always make you uneasy, but unless he suffers an injury I think you have to shrug it off and not worry too much about it.

 

[jurb26]

My feeling is that White's going to be one of those players whose weight fluctuates just because of his body type, and because he's not a workout warrior. It sounds to me like he makes it work kind of the way that Bettis did. It's not ideal from a fantasy owner standpoint because it will always make you uneasy, but unless he suffers an injury I think you have to shrug it off and not worry too much about it.

The thing about White is that even though he is bigger than what most would like in their ideal RB, he has amazing feet for his size. We will likely hear this crap about his weight every year.

 

[crnerblitz]

As a White owner I would sleep better at night concerning his fluxuating weight if the Titans weren't so activly pursuing the Burner Turner. One kinda mitigates the other.

 

[Riffraff]

Wonder if we'll see any Ronnie Brown threads now that he's shown up to minicamp overweight. He's probably not as reviled as Lendale. His owners will explain it away too.

 

[BigTex]

My feeling is that White's going to be one of those players whose weight fluctuates just because of his body type, and because he's not a workout warrior. It sounds to me like he makes it work kind of the way that Bettis did. It's not ideal from a fantasy owner standpoint because it will always make you uneasy, but unless he suffers an injury I think you have to shrug it off and not worry too much about it.

Please explain this. I'm curious, what does someone's body type have to do with their weight fluctuating? Is this a medical condition?

 

[Tag]

Im more concerned with what his weight is in August than april.

 

[Bevo]

My feeling is that White's going to be one of those players whose weight fluctuates just because of his body type, and because he's not a workout warrior. It sounds to me like he makes it work kind of the way that Bettis did. It's not ideal from a fantasy owner standpoint because it will always make you uneasy, but unless he suffers an injury I think you have to shrug it off and not worry too much about it.

Please explain this. I'm curious, what does someone's body type have to do with their weight fluctuating? Is this a medical condition?

Could have something to do with endomorph, ectomorph, mesomorph, etc. body types. IIRC the endomorph has a tendency towards an over weight, soft body; this can be overcome by closely watching diet and a lot of exercise but left on their on (off season for some athletes?) the endomorph will tend to regress to a natural state that is not typically a hard bodied athlete. Don't know that this is what is happening to LenDale, but it might be.

 

[prymetyme25]

My feeling is that White's going to be one of those players whose weight fluctuates just because of his body type, and because he's not a workout warrior. It sounds to me like he makes it work kind of the way that Bettis did. It's not ideal from a fantasy owner standpoint because it will always make you uneasy, but unless he suffers an injury I think you have to shrug it off and not worry too much about it.

Please explain this. I'm curious, what does someone's body type have to do with their weight fluctuating? Is this a medical condition?

Could have something to do with endomorph, ectomorph, mesomorph, etc. body types. IIRC the endomorph has a tendency towards an over weight, soft body; this can be overcome by closely watching diet and a lot of exercise but left on their on (off season for some athletes?) the endomorph will tend to regress to a natural state that is not typically a hard bodied athlete. Don't know that this is what is happening to LenDale, but it might be.

Example: Carmelo AnthonyIf you saw this guy with his shirt off you'd say theres no way he is a professional basketball player.

Just like if you see two (same height and same weight) do the same workout and same diet but one has a flat stomach and the other has a six pack. they just have two different body types.

Hope that kinda helps.