Who are your top 5 QBs never to win a Super Bowl? (1 Viewer)

[JohnnyU]

1). Dan Marino
2). Dan Fouts
3). Fran Tarkenton
4). Jim Kelly
5). Warren Moon

My bias honorable mention is Bert Jones. My real honorable mention is Mike Vick. My unsure honorable mention is Steve McNair. @Just Win Baby will say his bias pick will be Phillip Rivers.

 

[travdogg]

Josh Allen
Dan Marino
Philip Rivers
Dan Fouts
Lamar Jackson

Honorable mentions for Matt Ryan and Fran Tarkenton.

 

[JohnnyU]

Josh Allen
Dan Marino
Philip Rivers
Dan Fouts
Lamar Jackson

Honorable mentions for Matt Ryan and Fran Tarkenton.

Hard to use players still in their prime

 

[travdogg]

Josh Allen
Dan Marino
Philip Rivers
Dan Fouts
Lamar Jackson

Honorable mentions for Matt Ryan and Fran Tarkenton.

Hard to use players still in their prime

It is, but I think the level they have played at is comparable to those other players primes.

ETA: That is why I had the 2 honorable mentions, who weren't current players.

 

[JohnnyU]

Josh Allen
Dan Marino
Philip Rivers
Dan Fouts
Lamar Jackson

Honorable mentions for Matt Ryan and Fran Tarkenton.

Hard to use players still in their prime

It is, but I think the level they have played at is comparable to those other players primes.

ETA: That is why I had the 2 honorable mentions, who weren't current players.

Kinda misses the point using current stud players

 

[Mister CIA]

Otto Graham and Kenny Anderson come to mind.

 

[JohnnyU]

Otto Graham and Kenny Anderson come to mind.

Otto Graham didn’t play in the SB era. He did have 7 championships however

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

Josh Allen
Dan Marino
Philip Rivers
Dan Fouts
Lamar Jackson

Honorable mentions for Matt Ryan and Fran Tarkenton.

Hard to use players still in their prime

It is, but I think the level they have played at is comparable to those other players primes.

ETA: That is why I had the 2 honorable mentions, who weren't current players.

Kinda misses the point using current stud players

On the other side of that coin, if you don't include them you're just rehashing the same old list of QBs that played 50 years ago. Is Josh Allen a better QB than someone like Fran Tarkenton? Almost certainly. He's got the advantage of decades of improved training techniques, advanced football understanding, etc. The game evolves, the league keeps getting better and as it does, guys who were top ten QBs when you were a kid fall off the list.

 

[JohnnyU]

Josh Allen
Dan Marino
Philip Rivers
Dan Fouts
Lamar Jackson

Honorable mentions for Matt Ryan and Fran Tarkenton.

Hard to use players still in their prime

It is, but I think the level they have played at is comparable to those other players primes.

ETA: That is why I had the 2 honorable mentions, who weren't current players.

Kinda misses the point using current stud players

On the other side of that coin, if you don't include them you're just rehashing the same old list of QBs that played 50 years ago. Is Josh Allen a better QB than someone like Fran Tarkenton? Almost certainly. He's got the advantage of decades of improved training techniques, advanced football understanding, etc. The game evolves, the league keeps getting better and as it does, guys who were top ten QBs when you were a kid fall off the list.

Then while we’re at it let’s include Caleb Williams and Drake Maye and call it a day.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

Josh Allen
Dan Marino
Philip Rivers
Dan Fouts
Lamar Jackson

Honorable mentions for Matt Ryan and Fran Tarkenton.

Hard to use players still in their prime

It is, but I think the level they have played at is comparable to those other players primes.

ETA: That is why I had the 2 honorable mentions, who weren't current players.

Kinda misses the point using current stud players

On the other side of that coin, if you don't include them you're just rehashing the same old list of QBs that played 50 years ago. Is Josh Allen a better QB than someone like Fran Tarkenton? Almost certainly. He's got the advantage of decades of improved training techniques, advanced football understanding, etc. The game evolves, the league keeps getting better and as it does, guys who were top ten QBs when you were a kid fall off the list.

Then while we’re at it let’s include Caleb Williams and Drake Maye and call it a day.

don't worry gramps, i'm getting off your lawn

 

[JohnnyU]

Josh Allen
Dan Marino
Philip Rivers
Dan Fouts
Lamar Jackson

Honorable mentions for Matt Ryan and Fran Tarkenton.

Hard to use players still in their prime

It is, but I think the level they have played at is comparable to those other players primes.

ETA: That is why I had the 2 honorable mentions, who weren't current players.

Kinda misses the point using current stud players

On the other side of that coin, if you don't include them you're just rehashing the same old list of QBs that played 50 years ago. Is Josh Allen a better QB than someone like Fran Tarkenton? Almost certainly. He's got the advantage of decades of improved training techniques, advanced football understanding, etc. The game evolves, the league keeps getting better and as it does, guys who were top ten QBs when you were a kid fall off the list.

Then while we’re at it let’s include Caleb Williams and Drake Maye and call it a day.

don't worry gramps, i'm getting off your lawn

My wife laughed at the idea of including Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson in a list like this.

 

[efactor]

-Marino (easy one)
-Fouts (loved watching that offense)
-Jim Kelly (so close against the Giants)
-Warren Moon (Sucks he has to start his career in Canada)
-Phillip Rivers

Tarkington and Matt Ryan close calls.

 

[menobrown]

Going to go from 1980 up(when I started watching), omit players that are not retired and please note I'm answering the question as the best QB's, not the QB's who had the best career achievements.

Marino
Kelley
Luck
Fouts
Randall

 

[Snoopy]

Otto Graham and Kenny Anderson come to mind.

Otto Graham didn’t play in the SB era. He did have 7 championships however

none of which was a Super Bowl.

 

[menobrown]

-Marino (easy one)

The one universal, the one constant. Everything else is up for debate. He's the NFL's Barkley or Elgin Baylor.

 

[JohnnyU]

Going to go from 1980 up(when I started watching), omit players that are not retired and please note I'm answering the question as the best QB's, not the QB's who had the best career achievements.

Marino
Kelley
Luck
Fouts
Randall

Luck didn’t play long enough IMO, but I get it.

 

[JohnnyU]

-Marino (easy one)

The one universal, the one constant. Everything else is up for debate. He's the NFL's Barkley or Elgin Baylor.

Barkley was overrated

 

[Tau837]

Excluding active players:

Marino
Rivers
Fouts
Tarkenton
Moon

 

[efactor]

Otto Graham and Kenny Anderson come to mind.

Anderson was good, especially in 1981, but not great overall career stats. Got curious when I saw him listed and was surprised they weren’t better. Before Sunday ticket and red zone so didn’t see him play much.

 

[menobrown]

-Marino (easy one)

The one universal, the one constant. Everything else is up for debate. He's the NFL's Barkley or Elgin Baylor.

Barkley was overrated

You still letting Bob Knight influence you I see, lol.

 

[travdogg]

Just gonna throw it out there, I think Warren Moon=Dak Prescott 30 years earlier.

 

[JohnnyU]

Otto Graham and Kenny Anderson come to mind.

Otto Graham didn’t play in the SB era. He did have 7 championships however

none of which was a Super Bowl.

Nor was there a Super Bowl . But the NFL championship was all that mattered then, but you know that already.

 

[JohnnyU]

Just gonna throw it out there, I think Warren Moon=Dak Prescott 30 years earlier.

Interesting. I was a fan of Moon.

 

[JohnnyU]

-Marino (easy one)

The one universal, the one constant. Everything else is up for debate. He's the NFL's Barkley or Elgin Baylor.

Barkley was overrated

You still letting Bob Knight influence you I see, lol.

Bird ate him for lunch, but he ate a lot for lunch during his time. I’m a UK fan, so I hated Bob Knight He was also the coach that let Bird get away.

 

[efactor]

Just gonna throw it out there, I think Warren Moon=Dak Prescott 30 years earlier.

He did throw a lot of picks, but fairly common in that era where QBs flung it downfield more.

More physically talented than Dak for sure

 

[jrt103]

Maybe not top 5 but top 10ish

Randall Cunningham

 

[JohnnyU]

Maybe not top 5 but top 10ish

Randall Cunningham

1998 was magical until my neighbor missed that FG.

 

[Kevrunner]

Sonny Jurgensen (Lombardi said Juregensen was the best QB he ever saw)
Dan Marino
Dan Fouts
Fran Tarkenton
Jim Kelley

 

[jrt103]

Maybe not top 5 but top 10ish

Randall Cunningham

1998 was magical until my neighbor missed that FG.

That was his first miss of the entire season right?

 

[JohnnyU]

Guys, it’s Kelly, not Kelley

 

[JohnnyU]

Maybe not top 5 but top 10ish

Randall Cunningham

1998 was magical until my neighbor missed that FG.

That was his first miss of the entire season right?

I can’t remember, but I do remember seeing him in his driveway when my wife and I would go on a walk. I suppose it would have been improper to yell “WIDE LEFT” as we walked past him. Anderson lived across the street on the corner and Jake Reed lived 2 doors down.

 

[Lansdowne]

Only going with guys I've seen play and that are no longer in the league

Dan Marino
Jim Kelly
Warren Moon
Philip Rivers
Matt Ryan

Honorable mention: Steve McNair (RIP)

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Mainly because he still posts here, Bobby Layne.

 

[travdogg]

Just gonna throw it out there, I think Warren Moon=Dak Prescott 30 years earlier.

He did throw a lot of picks, but fairly common in that era where QBs flung it downfield more.

More physically talented than Dak for sure

He was the career leader in turnovers until Favre played forever and passed him.

I meant the comp more from the really good regular season QB, couldn't win big games when it counted aspect.

 

[travdogg]

I'll also add, I think Andrew Luck is one of those guys who is overrated because of the shortness of his career, his generational prospect status, and the fact he was playing his best football when he retired. Matthew Stafford with a way better PR team. Anything that went wrong with him, always seemed like it was someone else's fault. I feel like we are seeing a similar thing developing with Trevor Lawrence.

 

[ignatiusjreilly]

I'll also add, I think Andrew Luck is one of those guys who is overrated because of the shortness of his career, his generational prospect status, and the fact he was playing his best football when he retired. Matthew Stafford with a way better PR team. Anything that went wrong with him, always seemed like it was someone else's fault. I feel like we are seeing a similar thing developing with Trevor Lawrence.

Disagree. When healthy, Luck delivered on his promise. His first three years showed exactly the gradual improvement you would hope for: wildcard, divisional round, AFCCG. Then he was hurt the next 3.5 years but finally rounded into form halfway through the 2018 season and delivered another playoff appearance. He led one of the greatest playoff comebacks in NFL history and beat Manning on the road. His playoff losses came to a red-hot Flacco, Brady twice, and Mahomes. And the Colts did a horrible job building a team around him, especially on the line. Drop him into Mahomes' situation and IMO he would have had similar levels of success.

If anything, his early retirement has probably led to people underrating him

 

[efactor]

Maybe not top 5 but top 10ish

Randall Cunningham

1998 was magical until my neighbor missed that FG.

That would have been such a fun super bowl too

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

1). Dan Marino
2). Dan Fouts
3). Fran Tarkenton
4). Jim Kelly
5). Warren Moon

Hard to argue with this list.

I might be pick nits with the order, as Moon probably deserved it more than Tarkenton, and Kelly definitely deserved it more than either seeing as he put his teams in position to win. I might move Kelly to #2 behind Marino.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I’ll throw out an honorable mention for Jeff Garcia. I feel like he never gets enough love in any of these discussions. Dude was a gamer.

 

[Desert_Power]

Mainly because he still posts here, Bobby Layne.

I thought we decided that was an AI bot.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Mainly because he still posts here, Bobby Layne.

I thought we decided that was an AI bot.

No, that’s @Faust

No human could possibly do what he does. Unpossible.

 

[jon_mx]

Excluding active players:

Marino
Rivers
Fouts
Tarkenton
Moon

Close, but I would swap out Kelley for Rivers.

 

[jon_mx]

1). Dan Marino
2). Dan Fouts
3). Fran Tarkenton
4). Jim Kelly
5). Warren Moon

My bias honorable mention is Bert Jones. My real honorable mention is Mike Vick. My unsure honorable mention is Steve McNair. @Just Win Baby will say his bias pick will be Phillip Rivers.

It is bad form to start a thread with the correct answer.

 

[habsfan]

Just gonna throw it out there, I think Warren Moon=Dak Prescott 30 years earlier.

That take is coming in super hot...

 

[Desert_Power]

Never a big fan despite my avatar, but Cam Newton is another honorable mention. That 2015 MVP season with garbage at WR is a pretty high peak.

 

[CalBear]

I'll also add, I think Andrew Luck is one of those guys who is overrated because of the shortness of his career, his generational prospect status, and the fact he was playing his best football when he retired. Matthew Stafford with a way better PR team. Anything that went wrong with him, always seemed like it was someone else's fault. I feel like we are seeing a similar thing developing with Trevor Lawrence.

Disagree. When healthy, Luck delivered on his promise. His first three years showed exactly the gradual improvement you would hope for: wildcard, divisional round, AFCCG. Then he was hurt the next 3.5 years but finally rounded into form halfway through the 2018 season and delivered another playoff appearance. He led one of the greatest playoff comebacks in NFL history and beat Manning on the road. His playoff losses came to a red-hot Flacco, Brady twice, and Mahomes. And the Colts did a horrible job building a team around him, especially on the line. Drop him into Mahomes' situation and IMO he would have had similar levels of success.

If anything, his early retirement has probably led to people underrating him

Luck had two seasons in the top 10 in passer rating (#7 in 2014 and #9 in 2016). All of his rate stats suck. The only reason he ran up yardage was volume (over 600 attempts, top 5 three times).

 

[TwinTurbo]

I'll nominate Ryan Fitzpatrick. He played for 17 years and was a starter for 9 teams, the most in league history.
Think about that. He played for 28% of the teams in the league. But never even sniffed the playoffs.
I think he holds the most career passing yards and TDs for QBs without a postseason appearance.
And he was arguably better than some QBs that did find their way into a Superbowl roster.

 

[FarFromHome]

Dan Marino



Massive tier break



Dan Marino again.
Jim Kelly. Warren Moon.

Small tier break

Phillip Rivers.
Fran Tarkenton

 

[Ghost Rider]

I won't comment on QBs I never saw play, so when looking at QBs since the mid 80s (when I started watching football), I will go with:

Dan Marino (duh)
Philip Rivers
Jim Kelly
Lamar Jackson
Josh Allen

 

[renesauz]

Josh Allen
Dan Marino
Philip Rivers
Dan Fouts
Lamar Jackson

Honorable mentions for Matt Ryan and Fran Tarkenton.

Hard to use players still in their prime

It is, but I think the level they have played at is comparable to those other players primes.

ETA: That is why I had the 2 honorable mentions, who weren't current players.

Kinda misses the point using current stud players

On the other side of that coin, if you don't include them you're just rehashing the same old list of QBs that played 50 years ago. Is Josh Allen a better QB than someone like Fran Tarkenton? Almost certainly. He's got the advantage of decades of improved training techniques, advanced football understanding, etc. The game evolves, the league keeps getting better and as it does, guys who were top ten QBs when you were a kid fall off the list.

Then while we’re at it let’s include Caleb Williams and Drake Maye and call it a day.

don't worry gramps, i'm getting off your lawn

My wife laughed at the idea of including Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson in a list like this.

so did I. Intent was obvious