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Who benefits from the loss of Deuce McAlister ? (1 Viewer)
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Vicktimized
Footballguy
As a New Orleans homer...
I would expect Thomas to get a long look. This was a guy the coaches liked enough to keep over Antonio Pittman, who the team traded up to get in the 4th round of this year's draft. Pittman did not light it up, but Thomas blew him away on the field during the preseason.
We never saw him against first teamers so take it with a grain of salt...but Stecker is not really much of a compliment to Bush. Thomas could be. He could also get some run as a kick returner, as he did this preseason.
I would expect Thomas to get a long look. This was a guy the coaches liked enough to keep over Antonio Pittman, who the team traded up to get in the 4th round of this year's draft. Pittman did not light it up, but Thomas blew him away on the field during the preseason.
We never saw him against first teamers so take it with a grain of salt...but Stecker is not really much of a compliment to Bush. Thomas could be. He could also get some run as a kick returner, as he did this preseason.
Nigel Tufnel
Footballguy
Can someone tell me about Thomas? This is the first I've heard of him.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
Stecker... hes been in the system longer. Thomas is nothing more than a feel good story.
dmac37
Footballguy
Scouting report on Pierre Thomas. Welcome to the DRAFT NOTEBOOK by Stevenson's Scouting Service.
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STRENGTHS: Experienced. Has played versus very good I-A competition. Strong build. 21 reps of 225#. 35½" vertical. Runs with good vision and balance. Effective between the tackles. Able to break tackles and gain yards after initial contact. Smooth change of directions. Patient, allows blocks to develop before accelerating through the hole. Runs north south. Can bounce the play outside. Can make the first defender miss. Able to convert short yardage plays. Protects the ball. Capable receiver out of the backfield. Shows some ability as a route runner. Will extend hands and catch the ball out away from body. Shows blocking ability with good blitz awareness and recognition. Has been effective returning kicks. Hard worker. Coachable, will do the film study, weight room work, and the little things to be effective on the next level. Competitive team player. — CONCERNS: Average instincts. Lacks a burst and the speed to take it the distance. Not elusive or creative. Was not invited to the Combine. — SUMMARY: Not flashy, but a halfback than can run, catch, block, and return kicks.
Between his pre season and this scouting report I think he is worth a shot.
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STRENGTHS: Experienced. Has played versus very good I-A competition. Strong build. 21 reps of 225#. 35½" vertical. Runs with good vision and balance. Effective between the tackles. Able to break tackles and gain yards after initial contact. Smooth change of directions. Patient, allows blocks to develop before accelerating through the hole. Runs north south. Can bounce the play outside. Can make the first defender miss. Able to convert short yardage plays. Protects the ball. Capable receiver out of the backfield. Shows some ability as a route runner. Will extend hands and catch the ball out away from body. Shows blocking ability with good blitz awareness and recognition. Has been effective returning kicks. Hard worker. Coachable, will do the film study, weight room work, and the little things to be effective on the next level. Competitive team player. — CONCERNS: Average instincts. Lacks a burst and the speed to take it the distance. Not elusive or creative. Was not invited to the Combine. — SUMMARY: Not flashy, but a halfback than can run, catch, block, and return kicks.
Between his pre season and this scouting report I think he is worth a shot.
I picked up Thomas after the Stecker waiver wire dust settled. I say Thomas is the man for this reason. Stecker plays such an important role on special teams for NO, they can't afford to move him into McAllister's role. Doing that would mean replacing two starters, McAllister in the offense and Stecker on special teams. If Stecker was a proven talent and had a clear separation over Thomas, this aspect wouldn't matter. They would do whatever it took even if it meant the special teams hit. But with apparently little separating the two, using Thomas and not disrupting ST makes sense. Plus, Thomas is built more for carrying that type of load (5'11, 210).
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
Bush......he already got 2 one yard Td's the other night he wouldn't have gotten.
I know that the analysts will act like Stecker will benefit greatly and I guess he will compared to what his numbers would be if Deuce were actually playing but in the end, the only one worth starting will be Bush and his numbers will be slightly higher now with those backs in there than with Deuce in there.
I know that the analysts will act like Stecker will benefit greatly and I guess he will compared to what his numbers would be if Deuce were actually playing but in the end, the only one worth starting will be Bush and his numbers will be slightly higher now with those backs in there than with Deuce in there.
a_rackowski
Footballguy
The same people who benefited from this monday night will be the same all year. It doesnt take Sherlock Holmes.
Bush will be getting more carries around the goalline and Stecker will be more involved.
Stecker can handle touches - he is a Wisconsin RB. Durability is a strength.
Bush will be getting more carries around the goalline and Stecker will be more involved.
Stecker can handle touches - he is a Wisconsin RB. Durability is a strength.
az_prof
Footballguy
Obviously Bush will get more carries and time; but does anyone think he can get all of it? I don't. I think they will want a back who fill the Deuce role to complement Bush, and I wouldn't be surprised if it were Thomas. Stecker has been in the league a while, which is why he was second on the depth chart, but long term, for a full season, I think that Thomas is a better complement to what Bush does and I think they will want to see what he can do. It may not happen that way this week, but in two or three weeks I think it will.
Well Sherlock... Thomas wasn't active on Monday night so by your assessment he won't even suit up all year. Great work detective!
More Info on Thomas' college career.
http://fightingillini.cstv.com/sports/m-fo...s_pierre00.html
2006: Ranks seventh on the Illini career rushing list with 2,393 yards ... Ranks third on the Illini career all-purpose yardage list with 4,099 ... Ranks second on the Illini career kickoff return yardage list with 1,328, needing just 56 to break Clinton Lynch's record ... Has eight career 100-yard rushing games ... Averaged 7.2 yards per carry with 8 rushes for 58 yards, including a 43-yarder vs. Ohio State ... Rushed for 126 yards and a TD on 22 carries against Indiana ... Rushed for 110 yards on 18 carries at Michigan State ... Rushed for 126 yards and two touchdowns on 15 carries against Eastern Illinois.
2005: Earned team award for Most Valuable Player for the second straight year ... Also named team captain for the 2005 season as voted by the team ... Led the team in rushing for the second straight year ... Recorded 664 yards rushing on 127 carries, scoring five touchdowns ... Also caught 28 passes for 225 yards and a touchdown ... Had the team's longest run from scrimmage on a 35-yard carry at Purdue ... Ranked 10th in the Big Ten in all-purpose yards, averaging 122.7 per game ... Averaged 23.0 yards per kickoff return to rank seventh in the league ... Finished the season ranked 13th on the all-time Illinois rushing list ... Also ranks fourth on the Illinois career all-purpose yard list with 3,394, needing 1,343 to top Robert Holcombe's top spot ... Is third on the school's all-time kickoff return yardage list, needing only 111 to break the record ... Rushed for 100 yards at Iowa on 15 carries, averaging 6.7 yards per rush, while also catching five passes for 28 yards ... Nearly reached 100 yards in the season finale as he finished with 97 yards and a touchdown ... Caught a career-long 52-yard pass at California ... Posted the third-longest kickoff return of his career with a 48-yarder against San Jose State ... Finished the game with more than 200 all-purpose yards at Cal after rushing for 57, 59 yards receiving and 92 yards in kickoff returns ... Had seven games with more than 100 all-purpose yards ... Scored the game-winning touchdown in overtime of Illinois' season opener against Rutgers.
2004: Earned honorable mention All-Big Ten honors from the conference coaches ... Named the team's Most Valuable Player ... Led the conference in all-purpose yards, which ranked 13th in the country (151.4 per contest) ... Averaged 27.1 yards per kickoff return, which ranked third in the league and 10th in the nation ... Became the 31st player in Illinois history to rush for more than 1,000 career yards (1,126) ... Ranked fifth in the Big Ten in rushing with 81.2 yards per game ... Also had the Big Ten's fifth-best touchdown scoring average with 5.5 points per game ... Ranks second in school history for single-season kickoff return yardage with 677 ... Tallied a career-high 188 yards rushing on 21 carries at Michigan State ...Had a career-long 69-yard run--Illinois' longest run of the season--and rushed for two TDs against the Spartans ... His 188 yards rushing were the most by a UI player since Antoineo Harris had 195 yards vs. Purdue during the 2002 season ...Ran for 185 yards and one touchdown on 21 carries vs. Indiana that included a 44-yard scoring run ... Posted his fourth 100-yard game of the season with 131 yards against Northwestern, scoring two touchdowns ... Had a career-high seven receptions vs. Michigan ... Caught one touchdown and rushed for another against the Wolverines ... Returned three kickoffs for a total of 132 yards with one touchdown vs. Western Michigan ... Returned the game's opening kickoff 99 yards for a touchdown, which tied the third-longest kickoff return in Memorial Stadium history ... His average of 44.0 yards per kick return vs. WMU was the second highest single-game performance in school history, while total of 132 yards tied the fourth highest single-game kickoff return yardage in school history ... Had three kickoff returns for 121 yards vs. Purdue the following week, which included a 72-yard kick return ... Is just the second player in school history, following Harold "Red" Grange, to record two career kickoff returns over 70 yards ... Set a UI opening-day record with 143 yards rushing vs. Florida A&M; rushed for two TDs vs. the Rattlers.
2003: Team's second-leading rusher with 233 yards on 43 carries ... Caught three passes for 12 yards and returned seven kicks for 134 yards ... Scored two touchdowns at Michigan ... Rushed for 78 yards on nine carries in his collegiate debut vs. Illinois State, including a career-long run of 35 yards ... Gained 70 yards on 15 carries vs. Minnesota.
High School: Named a national Top-100 recruit by the Chicago Sun-Times ... Champaign News-Gazette Player of the Year ... Named to the USA Today Old Spice Red Zone Top-50 National Team ... Earned Offensive Player of the Year honors from the Daily Southtown ... Made the Sun-Times Top-100 Chicago Area recruit list ... Named to SuperPrep All-America team ... Two-time all-state selection at running back by the Chicago Sun-Times and Chicago Tribune ... Totaled over 5,522 rushing yards for his career and found the end zone 88 times ... Gained over 3,200 yards as a sophomore and junior, before racking up 2,365 yards and 38 scores his senior season ... Had a career-high 304 rushing yards in a single game in 2002 ... Had 27 100-yard rushing games, including 11 with over 200 yards ... Scored five touchdowns in back-to-back contests as a junior ... Rated the No. 1 player in the SICA Orange Conference in 2002 ... Earned all-area and all-conference honors as a sophomore, junior and senior ... Also earned Player of the Year honors from Thornton Fractional South High School ... High School coach was Tom Padjen.
Personal: Full given name is Charles Pierre Thomas Jr. ... Born Dec. 18, 1984 in Chicago, Ill. ... The son of Charles and Greta Jo Thomas ... Enrolled in the College of Liberal Arts and Sciences ...Has one sister ... Enjoys playing video games and collecting sports cards ... Favorite athlete is Barry Sanders.
Career Highs
Carries: 37 at Northwestern, 11/20/04
Yards: 188 at Michigan State, 10/9/04
Long Rush: 69 at Michigan State, 10/9/04
Rush TDs: 2, five times (last time vs. Eastern Illinois 9/2/06)
Rec. Yards: 59 at California, 9/17/05
Receptions: Receptions: 7 vs. Michigan, 10/16/04
Rec. TDs: 1 vs. Michigan, 10/16/04 & vs. Michigan State, 9/24/05
Long Reception: 52 at California, 9/17/05
Kick Return for TD: 99 yds vs. W. Michigan, 9/18/04
All-Purpose Yds.: 288 at Michigan St., 10/9/04
http://fightingillini.cstv.com/sports/m-fo...s_pierre00.html
2006: Ranks seventh on the Illini career rushing list with 2,393 yards ... Ranks third on the Illini career all-purpose yardage list with 4,099 ... Ranks second on the Illini career kickoff return yardage list with 1,328, needing just 56 to break Clinton Lynch's record ... Has eight career 100-yard rushing games ... Averaged 7.2 yards per carry with 8 rushes for 58 yards, including a 43-yarder vs. Ohio State ... Rushed for 126 yards and a TD on 22 carries against Indiana ... Rushed for 110 yards on 18 carries at Michigan State ... Rushed for 126 yards and two touchdowns on 15 carries against Eastern Illinois.
2005: Earned team award for Most Valuable Player for the second straight year ... Also named team captain for the 2005 season as voted by the team ... Led the team in rushing for the second straight year ... Recorded 664 yards rushing on 127 carries, scoring five touchdowns ... Also caught 28 passes for 225 yards and a touchdown ... Had the team's longest run from scrimmage on a 35-yard carry at Purdue ... Ranked 10th in the Big Ten in all-purpose yards, averaging 122.7 per game ... Averaged 23.0 yards per kickoff return to rank seventh in the league ... Finished the season ranked 13th on the all-time Illinois rushing list ... Also ranks fourth on the Illinois career all-purpose yard list with 3,394, needing 1,343 to top Robert Holcombe's top spot ... Is third on the school's all-time kickoff return yardage list, needing only 111 to break the record ... Rushed for 100 yards at Iowa on 15 carries, averaging 6.7 yards per rush, while also catching five passes for 28 yards ... Nearly reached 100 yards in the season finale as he finished with 97 yards and a touchdown ... Caught a career-long 52-yard pass at California ... Posted the third-longest kickoff return of his career with a 48-yarder against San Jose State ... Finished the game with more than 200 all-purpose yards at Cal after rushing for 57, 59 yards receiving and 92 yards in kickoff returns ... Had seven games with more than 100 all-purpose yards ... Scored the game-winning touchdown in overtime of Illinois' season opener against Rutgers.
2004: Earned honorable mention All-Big Ten honors from the conference coaches ... Named the team's Most Valuable Player ... Led the conference in all-purpose yards, which ranked 13th in the country (151.4 per contest) ... Averaged 27.1 yards per kickoff return, which ranked third in the league and 10th in the nation ... Became the 31st player in Illinois history to rush for more than 1,000 career yards (1,126) ... Ranked fifth in the Big Ten in rushing with 81.2 yards per game ... Also had the Big Ten's fifth-best touchdown scoring average with 5.5 points per game ... Ranks second in school history for single-season kickoff return yardage with 677 ... Tallied a career-high 188 yards rushing on 21 carries at Michigan State ...Had a career-long 69-yard run--Illinois' longest run of the season--and rushed for two TDs against the Spartans ... His 188 yards rushing were the most by a UI player since Antoineo Harris had 195 yards vs. Purdue during the 2002 season ...Ran for 185 yards and one touchdown on 21 carries vs. Indiana that included a 44-yard scoring run ... Posted his fourth 100-yard game of the season with 131 yards against Northwestern, scoring two touchdowns ... Had a career-high seven receptions vs. Michigan ... Caught one touchdown and rushed for another against the Wolverines ... Returned three kickoffs for a total of 132 yards with one touchdown vs. Western Michigan ... Returned the game's opening kickoff 99 yards for a touchdown, which tied the third-longest kickoff return in Memorial Stadium history ... His average of 44.0 yards per kick return vs. WMU was the second highest single-game performance in school history, while total of 132 yards tied the fourth highest single-game kickoff return yardage in school history ... Had three kickoff returns for 121 yards vs. Purdue the following week, which included a 72-yard kick return ... Is just the second player in school history, following Harold "Red" Grange, to record two career kickoff returns over 70 yards ... Set a UI opening-day record with 143 yards rushing vs. Florida A&M; rushed for two TDs vs. the Rattlers.
2003: Team's second-leading rusher with 233 yards on 43 carries ... Caught three passes for 12 yards and returned seven kicks for 134 yards ... Scored two touchdowns at Michigan ... Rushed for 78 yards on nine carries in his collegiate debut vs. Illinois State, including a career-long run of 35 yards ... Gained 70 yards on 15 carries vs. Minnesota.
High School: Named a national Top-100 recruit by the Chicago Sun-Times ... Champaign News-Gazette Player of the Year ... Named to the USA Today Old Spice Red Zone Top-50 National Team ... Earned Offensive Player of the Year honors from the Daily Southtown ... Made the Sun-Times Top-100 Chicago Area recruit list ... Named to SuperPrep All-America team ... Two-time all-state selection at running back by the Chicago Sun-Times and Chicago Tribune ... Totaled over 5,522 rushing yards for his career and found the end zone 88 times ... Gained over 3,200 yards as a sophomore and junior, before racking up 2,365 yards and 38 scores his senior season ... Had a career-high 304 rushing yards in a single game in 2002 ... Had 27 100-yard rushing games, including 11 with over 200 yards ... Scored five touchdowns in back-to-back contests as a junior ... Rated the No. 1 player in the SICA Orange Conference in 2002 ... Earned all-area and all-conference honors as a sophomore, junior and senior ... Also earned Player of the Year honors from Thornton Fractional South High School ... High School coach was Tom Padjen.
Personal: Full given name is Charles Pierre Thomas Jr. ... Born Dec. 18, 1984 in Chicago, Ill. ... The son of Charles and Greta Jo Thomas ... Enrolled in the College of Liberal Arts and Sciences ...Has one sister ... Enjoys playing video games and collecting sports cards ... Favorite athlete is Barry Sanders.
Career Highs
Carries: 37 at Northwestern, 11/20/04
Yards: 188 at Michigan State, 10/9/04
Long Rush: 69 at Michigan State, 10/9/04
Rush TDs: 2, five times (last time vs. Eastern Illinois 9/2/06)
Rec. Yards: 59 at California, 9/17/05
Receptions: Receptions: 7 vs. Michigan, 10/16/04
Rec. TDs: 1 vs. Michigan, 10/16/04 & vs. Michigan State, 9/24/05
Long Reception: 52 at California, 9/17/05
Kick Return for TD: 99 yds vs. W. Michigan, 9/18/04
All-Purpose Yds.: 288 at Michigan St., 10/9/04
saintfool
Dead sexy
Good post. Pretty much my thinking. Stecker was getting time before. I don't see his role increasing that much. Pierre, however, was someone that looked great in the preseason. Fans that I talk to were clamoring for him and Lance Moore to get time. Moore has looked good coming on. Pierre will be given a similar shot, I think.
Couch Potato
Footballguy
Let's all be French! 
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I took Pierre off waivers,
I took Pierre off waivers,
You should too,
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Frère Jacques, Frère Jacques,
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I took Pierre off waivers,
I took Pierre off waivers,
You should too,
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Bush = Dave Megget. He will wear down and get hurt if they use him in a Duece role.
TitusIII
Footballguy
Pierre Thomas was a pretty damn good back on some pretty terrible (and that is being generous) Illinois teams. I'd go with him...
The guy in the backfield I've been watching the past four weeks is better and a probable 1st or 2nd round pick(R. Mendenhall), but Thomas did some good things behind a piss-poor offensive line. I wasn't the least bit surpised that he beat out a "product of the system" back in Pittman.
The guy in the backfield I've been watching the past four weeks is better and a probable 1st or 2nd round pick(R. Mendenhall), but Thomas did some good things behind a piss-poor offensive line. I wasn't the least bit surpised that he beat out a "product of the system" back in Pittman.
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Urinal Mint
Footballguy
Aaron Stecker sucks. I'll take a flyer on the other guy.
Phurfur
Footballguy
Stecker transferred from Wisconsin because he could not crack the starting lineup.
Gopher State
Footballguy
It be interesting to see which one of these guys gets Deuce's workload. Bush can't run between the tackles, and I don't think Reggie can stand up to 20 carries a game, so one of these guys will be a nice pick up, just which one.
Ron_Mexico
I Love Doggies
I thought it would automatically be Stecker.
Looks close.
Looks close.
NatronIsMean
Footballguy
Good post. As an Illinois fan, Pierre had a pretty impressive big ten yards per carry average over much of his career on a couple of 2-win teams that were BRUTAL. That's against Penn State, tOSU, UM, etc. I would add to the scouting report above that he DOES have a 2nd gear, as was displayed a few times in the preseason. He can break tackles and is patient. Comparing him to Mendenhall, Illinois' current back, he lacks a "3rd" gear and breakaway speed. He has impressive vision and he can "do it all", which means for a rookie he should be able to pass block and do the little things well enough.Pierre was a VERY impressive college back considering the lack of talent around him and the defenses he had to face.
Jeff Haseley
Moderator
Some good postings in here. The Saints RB situation intrigues me, but I can't find any news on the direction Sean Payton is leaning. Calling Cecil and Bloom, et al, have you heard any inside info on how New Orleans is going to address their RB situation?
New Orleans Saints head coach Sean Payton was asked Wednesday if Aaron Stecker would take over Deuce McAllister's role in the offense, and Peyton made it clear that wouldn't be the case. Reggie Bush will pick up most of the running workload.
"Reggie will get more carries. Stecker will be involved and Pierre Thomas will be involved, but you'll see Reggie get more handoffs."
I think Pierre will emerge as the complimentary back to Bush. As we already expected Bush will get the bulk of carries. I picked up Pierre. BTW Stecker has been dropped in our league but he was just picked up again.
"Reggie will get more carries. Stecker will be involved and Pierre Thomas will be involved, but you'll see Reggie get more handoffs."
I think Pierre will emerge as the complimentary back to Bush. As we already expected Bush will get the bulk of carries. I picked up Pierre. BTW Stecker has been dropped in our league but he was just picked up again.
JuSt CuZ
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PantherPower
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Bush and Colston hopefully 
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