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Who gets Traded before the Trade Deadline? (1 Viewer)
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David Yudkin
Footballguy
I can't see a huge star going anywhere if he signed a mega contract recently. The old team would take a huge cap hit and the new team would be on the hook for a big contract.
azcards33
Footballguy
Alex Smith to the Chiefs
Brett Favre to the Bucs or 49ers (Niners will overachieve and realize by the deadline that they are good enough to contend, or possibly win the NFC West)
Ricky Williams to the Ravens or Chiefs (Larry Johnson's most productive years were when Priest was there to push him)
Jeff Garcia to the Pats
Matt Leinart to the Texans
Brady Quinn to the Titans/Bucs/Pats, or Chiefs
Brett Favre to the Bucs or 49ers (Niners will overachieve and realize by the deadline that they are good enough to contend, or possibly win the NFC West)
Ricky Williams to the Ravens or Chiefs (Larry Johnson's most productive years were when Priest was there to push him)
Jeff Garcia to the Pats
Matt Leinart to the Texans
Brady Quinn to the Titans/Bucs/Pats, or Chiefs
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coolnerd
Footballguy
It would an upset if a significant trade happen. What has a better chance is for some team to trade a late rounder to acquire some WR buried on the depth chart and putting him in a better position to have some fantasy relevance. Still, this isn't MLB or the NBA, so probably a couple of minor things, but nothing dranatic or that interesting.
Air Coryell
Footballguy
http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d8...mp;confirm=true"If Favre were to be traded to any team in the Packers' division, the Jets would have to surrender three first-round picks to Green Bay."
I would cross the Favre to Vikes off your list, unless you believe they are giving up 3 first round picks.
MichiganPanthers
Footballguy
Because of salary cap ramifications, we're lucky if even one player is traded.
Shooter McGavin
Down the middle
There were rumblings around Detroit after week 1 that Roy might get traded to Seattle. With Branch and Engram coming back after the bye, I don't know if that's cooled off or not (or if there was anything to it to begin with).
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duece2626
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Matthew Stafford
skol asylum
Footballguy
Leinart or Quinn to the Vikings for a billion draft picks.
I'd say the Lions would be to stupid to not trade Roy Williams but than we already know that. With so many WR starved teams and Roy unhappy and about to leave for nothing I just can't see how they could not trade him.
Ricky Williams is another guy I think could get dealt. I actually thought when they signed him to that cap friendly one year extension it was because it made him far easier to trade since acquiring him would have him contractually obligated for another season at a low base. The Dolphins are rebuilding and got rid of Taylor and Thomas so why hang onto a 31 year old RB if someone is willing to deal?
Ricky Williams is another guy I think could get dealt. I actually thought when they signed him to that cap friendly one year extension it was because it made him far easier to trade since acquiring him would have him contractually obligated for another season at a low base. The Dolphins are rebuilding and got rid of Taylor and Thomas so why hang onto a 31 year old RB if someone is willing to deal?
CrossEyed
Footballguy
That's not really the case anymore like it used to be. With the salary cap increase teams have more cap room than most years. Lot's of teams have cap space. Here's a link: http://archive.profootballtalk.com/2008capfigures.htm
Ketamine Dreams
Footballguy
The Jets send a fourth round pick and Brett Favre to the Patriots for Randy Moss and a bag of Cheetos.
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CrossEyed
Footballguy
I'm not sure that these are current numbers.ETA: The salary cap is actually more complicated than this. Each team has an adjusted number. Some are higher than $116 mill. I haven't been able to find current dollars available for each team.That's not really the case anymore like it used to be. With the salary cap increase teams have more cap room than most years. Lot's of teams have cap space. Here's a link: http://archive.profootballtalk.com/2008capfigures.htm
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I'm not either. It says 2008 but I can not verify the accuracy of the numbers. I do know however that teams in general have more cap space this year due to the large increase.I'm not sure that these are current numbers.That's not really the case anymore like it used to be. With the salary cap increase teams have more cap room than most years. Lot's of teams have cap space. Here's a link: http://archive.profootballtalk.com/2008capfigures.htm
AnonymousBob
Footballguy
This is a terrible list. Alex Smith is on IR. Martz has no issue running out a no name qb such as O'Sullivan. I highly doubt the Cardinals or Browns are ready to give up on their young guys.
CrossEyed
Footballguy
Here you go, at least according to PFT.
Cap #s
Dollars under the cap as of 8/25
Kansas City Chiefs $31.9 million
Tampa Bay Buccaneers $27.8 million
Green Bay Packers $24.7 million
Buffalo Bills $20.9 million
Philadelphia Eagles $19.0 million
New Orleans Saints $17.7 million
Miami Dolphins $16.2 million
Jacksonville Jaguars $13.3 million
New York Giants $12.3 million
Tennessee Titans $11.8 million
Dallas Cowboys $9.6 million
Cleveland Browns $9.4 million
Chicago Bears $9.2 million
San Diego Chargers $9.2 million
Seattle Seahawks $8.8 million
Atlanta Falcons $8.2 million
St. Louis Rams, $8.1 million
Carolina Panthers $8.0 million
Indianapolis Colts $7.5 million
Baltimore Ravens $7.0 million
San Francisco 49ers $7.0 million
New England Patriots $6.9 million
Cincinnati Bengals $6.4 million
Denver Broncos $5.9 million
Minnesota Vikings $5.0 million
Houston Texans $4.9 million
Oakland Raiders $4.2 million
Detroit Lions $4.0 million
Arizona Cardinals $3.5 million
New York Jets $1.9 million
Washington Redskins $1.8 million
Pittsburgh Steelers $1.7 million
Cap #s
Dollars under the cap as of 8/25
Kansas City Chiefs $31.9 million
Tampa Bay Buccaneers $27.8 million
Green Bay Packers $24.7 million
Buffalo Bills $20.9 million
Philadelphia Eagles $19.0 million
New Orleans Saints $17.7 million
Miami Dolphins $16.2 million
Jacksonville Jaguars $13.3 million
New York Giants $12.3 million
Tennessee Titans $11.8 million
Dallas Cowboys $9.6 million
Cleveland Browns $9.4 million
Chicago Bears $9.2 million
San Diego Chargers $9.2 million
Seattle Seahawks $8.8 million
Atlanta Falcons $8.2 million
St. Louis Rams, $8.1 million
Carolina Panthers $8.0 million
Indianapolis Colts $7.5 million
Baltimore Ravens $7.0 million
San Francisco 49ers $7.0 million
New England Patriots $6.9 million
Cincinnati Bengals $6.4 million
Denver Broncos $5.9 million
Minnesota Vikings $5.0 million
Houston Texans $4.9 million
Oakland Raiders $4.2 million
Detroit Lions $4.0 million
Arizona Cardinals $3.5 million
New York Jets $1.9 million
Washington Redskins $1.8 million
Pittsburgh Steelers $1.7 million
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3C's
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The only one from that list that might be moved is Garcia but it won't be to the Pats.
Thanks for the accurate info. I would think from this list Detroit and Miami could afford to trade players and take a little cap hit. Lot's of WR needy teams have cap space to acquire players and even work out long term deals if need be.
Unlikely to see anything happen. The only two that I see as reasonable possibilities:
Roy Williams to Philly or Dallas - Pros: there's interest for a WR upgrade, especially in Dallas. Roy's in the last year of his contract, so the salary cap issue wouldn't be too much. Roy is leaving at the end of the year (or will be pissed off if they franchise him) and Detroit's season is already over. Cons: This makes too much damn sense for the Lions and assumes that they are not run by an idiot. Probability: 5%
Garcia to the Chiefs or the Patriots - Pros: Strong need for QBs in both places due to injuries. Garcia has apparently worn out his welcome in Tampa. No big salary cap issues with trading him. Cons: Pats want to show that they can win with Cassel, and it's tough for a QB to learn a new system mid-season. Probability: 2%
Roy Williams to Philly or Dallas - Pros: there's interest for a WR upgrade, especially in Dallas. Roy's in the last year of his contract, so the salary cap issue wouldn't be too much. Roy is leaving at the end of the year (or will be pissed off if they franchise him) and Detroit's season is already over. Cons: This makes too much damn sense for the Lions and assumes that they are not run by an idiot. Probability: 5%
Garcia to the Chiefs or the Patriots - Pros: Strong need for QBs in both places due to injuries. Garcia has apparently worn out his welcome in Tampa. No big salary cap issues with trading him. Cons: Pats want to show that they can win with Cassel, and it's tough for a QB to learn a new system mid-season. Probability: 2%
heidbrink
Footballguy
Marc Bulger
I really can't believe I'm throwing this out. As a fan, I do not believe it would be positive for the team at all. And, I understand that he has 3 mill still guaranteed next year and several (around 7) this. I understand all of this and would have said It's absurd as late as this morning. But... I really can kind of see it. I think there may be more to the Bulger-Benching story than meets the eye. To me, and I've watched him in preseason and every game, he looks just P.O.'d I first thought maybe he had a fire in his belly. Maybe its that he in fact is out of sorts with Linehan and the staff. He is P.O.'d at THEM. If Linehan survives his tenure in St Louis past the bye week, I don't know if I'd rule anything out from the Rams. Sidenote: I think the more effective move for the Rams would be to promote Trent Green to Head Coach! I've endured a lot of bad Rams teams but I can honestly say this is by far the worst ever.
I would not rule anything out from this crew AT ALL!
I really can't believe I'm throwing this out. As a fan, I do not believe it would be positive for the team at all. And, I understand that he has 3 mill still guaranteed next year and several (around 7) this. I understand all of this and would have said It's absurd as late as this morning. But... I really can kind of see it. I think there may be more to the Bulger-Benching story than meets the eye. To me, and I've watched him in preseason and every game, he looks just P.O.'d I first thought maybe he had a fire in his belly. Maybe its that he in fact is out of sorts with Linehan and the staff. He is P.O.'d at THEM. If Linehan survives his tenure in St Louis past the bye week, I don't know if I'd rule anything out from the Rams. Sidenote: I think the more effective move for the Rams would be to promote Trent Green to Head Coach! I've endured a lot of bad Rams teams but I can honestly say this is by far the worst ever.
I would not rule anything out from this crew AT ALL!
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the rover
Footballguy
but he's MR. MONDAY NIGHT!
Chicago Hooligan
Footballguy
It's probably a lot easier to learn the new "don't throw to Moss" system.
massraider
Footballguy
Nobody of consequence to anybody. As usual.
Zow
Footballguy
Two votes for Quinn? Seriously? I could see that if Anderson were knocking it out of the park but he's not. Awful trade for value for the Browns.
Jeff Garcia (as a Vikes fan he'd be awesome), Ricky Williams, and other vets are possibilities - but lots of cap stuff here and they may come at too high of a price for the buying teams.
Jeff Garcia (as a Vikes fan he'd be awesome), Ricky Williams, and other vets are possibilities - but lots of cap stuff here and they may come at too high of a price for the buying teams.
BoltBacker
Footballguy
If the Chargers hadn't acquired Chambers last season they may have lost to TEN after Gates went down with the injury. He played an important role in the next game vs INDY as well. Helped to keep them in the NE game too. One mid season trade certainly had a big impact on last years playoffs.
Sinrman
Footballguy
As fragile as Trent Green is, Bulger isn't going anywhere, for those that mentioned him...Favre won't be going anywhere either. Why would the Jets subject themselves to all this unwanted media by trading for him, then turn around and trade him 4,5,6 weeks into the season? Mangini would be stupid to trade him. It's only a matter of time before they are all on the same page and throwing up 30+ a game.Quinn isn't going anywhere either. Especially with Anderson struggling. They didn't trade UP to get him, and have him ride the pine for a couple seasons just to trade him away...Only one I could see being traded is Garcia...midnightxxxx
Footballguy
Drew
Have you not heard? The Chiefs are doing stadium renovations. The Chiefs are going young. In all seriousness though management at the Chiefs have been taking a beating with the local press for being 100k shy in salary contracts for the minimum payroll requirements. The closest answer that has been given to date is that they have for years fielded a competitve team and been near the cap maximum. They are in all likeliness saving money to lock up the younger players they want to have around as the nucleous of the team moving forward. Once this is established they will like in the past go out and pursue more free agents that can actually perform. I am happy they are so far under the cap for flexibility reasons moving forward. The big unanswered question though is pretty soon things will be uncapped so I see the majority of the best players taking deals with current teams versus testing the market. Why move and uproot your family if you are in a system your comfortable in and can get the same payday for your efforts?
I actually like the positioning moving forward of the Chiefs. Granted I hate what they have right now but at least they are sticking with the plan they have said since the begining of this nightmare. Herm is running Arrowhead Drive, yes this is scary but at least he is consistent. Clark Hunt will be a stronger owner because of this entire process. At least we are not throwing resources away and tying up millions of dollars in contracts that will haunt the organizations growth process moving forward like for instance the Raiders did this off season. The strategy is sound is except one major flaw and that is at QB. We need to develop a QB or pony up and go get a guy that will be the face of the franchise moving forward. Management at Arrowhead has failed miserably in this regard. BC is not the answer, strong arm check, winning attitude check, mobility check, athletic check, understands the role and the game check, unhealthy and injury prone check. The guy can not stay on the field and that is a major problem. Durability issues are killing us in KC and they are going to be forced to make a decision based on durability.
That 31.9 million is going to come in handy when they find our QB.
Have you not heard? The Chiefs are doing stadium renovations. The Chiefs are going young. In all seriousness though management at the Chiefs have been taking a beating with the local press for being 100k shy in salary contracts for the minimum payroll requirements. The closest answer that has been given to date is that they have for years fielded a competitve team and been near the cap maximum. They are in all likeliness saving money to lock up the younger players they want to have around as the nucleous of the team moving forward. Once this is established they will like in the past go out and pursue more free agents that can actually perform. I am happy they are so far under the cap for flexibility reasons moving forward. The big unanswered question though is pretty soon things will be uncapped so I see the majority of the best players taking deals with current teams versus testing the market. Why move and uproot your family if you are in a system your comfortable in and can get the same payday for your efforts?
I actually like the positioning moving forward of the Chiefs. Granted I hate what they have right now but at least they are sticking with the plan they have said since the begining of this nightmare. Herm is running Arrowhead Drive, yes this is scary but at least he is consistent. Clark Hunt will be a stronger owner because of this entire process. At least we are not throwing resources away and tying up millions of dollars in contracts that will haunt the organizations growth process moving forward like for instance the Raiders did this off season. The strategy is sound is except one major flaw and that is at QB. We need to develop a QB or pony up and go get a guy that will be the face of the franchise moving forward. Management at Arrowhead has failed miserably in this regard. BC is not the answer, strong arm check, winning attitude check, mobility check, athletic check, understands the role and the game check, unhealthy and injury prone check. The guy can not stay on the field and that is a major problem. Durability issues are killing us in KC and they are going to be forced to make a decision based on durability.
That 31.9 million is going to come in handy when they find our QB.
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massraider
Footballguy
Then it must be true every year. my bad.BoltBacker said:
I really don't even see the Eagles getting another WR. DeSean has really given them a spark and when their healthy they have a pretty decent receiving corps between him/curtis/brown/basket/avant/Lewis/L.J Smith. No Studs, but most of them are pretty sure-handed. Also, I think Garcia pretty much ended his own career in the NFL.. he is way to talkative and who really wants a loud mouth and nothing to back it up with. The only player I see on the move to many peoples surprise is probably Larry Johnson, and that's 50/50. The Chiefs have already tried to see what they have in their other RB's. He's not very happy, and they can probably get a boatload of draft picks for him somewhere else. The only problem is he has a pretty big contract and he is 30 I believe.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Three way trade:
KC sends a 2nd to Detroit (It'll be a high 2nd, more than the Lions will get for RW on the open market).
Detroit sends Roy Williams to Philadelphia.
Philadelphia sends Asante Samuel to KC.
KC sends a 2nd to Detroit (It'll be a high 2nd, more than the Lions will get for RW on the open market).
Detroit sends Roy Williams to Philadelphia.
Philadelphia sends Asante Samuel to KC.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
So the Eagles will pay Samuel $20 million (his signing bonus) to play in 3 games and eat all that money in a cap hit. I'm guessing . . . no, they won't.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Agh. Not Samuel. I meant Lito Sheppard.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
It just doesn't happen... besides Chambers last yr, I can't think of any other semi-star being moved in-season. Teams & GMs don't want to announce that thier giving up the season so early... or even take a chance for the player to go on the other team and be successful... it makes the old team look bad.the Deadline should be moved up to about week 10 or 12; that way teams would clearly be out of it could move a High price star. Like the other sports, especially NHL & NBA... they do it right.
midnightxxxx
Footballguy
The Chiefs can not afford to trade away salary cap dollars unless they get something on the books for a equal or higher value. If they trade away hypothetically LJ or TG or any other high priced player they are in jeopardy of being underneath the minimum floor of salary cap for all NFL teams.
Think about what you are proposing.
Think about what you are proposing.
but it does happen and I believe a major trade will happen this year. People also used to say major trades did not occur during the off season either and just this year we saw Favre and Taylor get traded and Moss last year. Chambers was traded last year and Mcardell two years ago in season. Teams have more cap space than they used to which makes these trades possible. Even Roy Williams was quoted in today's Dallas Morning News that the possiblity of getting traded was something that was in the back of his mind. And I mean the WR Roy Williams.ETA- I think the firing of Millen greatly increases the chances Roy gets dealt. If Millen made the trade it would have been an admission on his part the season is lost and he's be trading away a player he picked.
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SaintLouisCardinals
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If there is a Ram to go, I would think it would have to be Holt. He actually still holds some trade value to a team like Sea (yes, I know in division, but the Rams have bigger problems) or Phi. The Rams need to blow up the whole thing and go young. Build on the lines for crying out loud. Keep Bulger and Jackson and trade everyone that holds value for young prospects or picks. An aging Holt although it hurts me to say only holds you back. He has been an ambassador for Rams along with Bruce. But if you can get a 1st (doubtfull) or 2nd (possibly) I would do it in a heart beat. Anything like a 3rd rounder you have to weigh your options. Trading away all of your stars is going to put the fans is a tough situation of not wanting to pay to see a crappy product (although not sure it can get much crappier than it has). If they really understood though, the quicker you can blow up this whole team and start new, the better. Only way we are going to be competative again as quickly as possible. Its going to be a fun next 3 years or so!
At least we have the Cardina .... <sigh>If Roy were traded, how quickly do you think he'd be able to learn another team's offense and start producing WR1 or WR2 results?
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
As a comparison, Chris Chambers did pretty well when he was traded mid-season last year.
Ice Cream Man
Footballguy
Crayton is not getting it done, and the Cowboys someone to groom to take over once TO fades over the next few years.Similar threads
