Who has torn up camp/preseason so far... (1 Viewer)

[Joe Bryant]

Craig Davis

Hi bsn,This one interests me. I'm with you on Davis. But I still hear lots of Floyd talk that I don't buy. Unpack the WRs there a little if you would.J

Starters:Vincent Jackson - wont live up to his ADPCraig Davis - great value in the last 2 rounds of your draft especially PPR leaguesWR3- Malcolm Floyd - will get more goaline work than C.Davis, but WR3. probably a waiver wire if injury occurs to top 2 or god forbid Gates.Bench - Eric Parker injured. He's borderline PUP list and should be waiver wire fodderNote that in certain packages the chargers go with their big WR's VJax and Floyd on the goalline. To get the height advantage.

Thanks. That's pretty much how I see it to. Where does the Floyd love come from?From the Email Update last night:

SD - Rookie WR Davis Entrenched As StarterSource: Kevin Acee, San Diego Union Tribune, Sporting NewsSan Diego Chargers first-round pick WR Craig Davis is settling in as the No. 2 receiver in the absence of Eric Parker. By the time Parker returns, which should be late October at the earliest, Davis may have aced him out of a role, according to some sources.[ [ [ [ [ [ [ [ [ [ OUR VIEW ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ]Davis has quietly had a really nice rookie training camp. The #2 WR is always going to be limited on a team with TE Antonio Gates and a running threat like LaDainian Tomlinson but he's still a value in most leagues.

J

I wouldnt say it's Floyd love, but he has played alot in the pre-season. Dont sleep on him (Floyd) either though joe. the chargers are looking alot like WRBC to me.

Cool. Thanks for the insights.J

 

[wadegarrett]

Drew Carter

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Where does the Floyd love come from?

My Floyd love comes from watching the guy play. I think he's a better natural WR when it comes to ball skills than VJax, and like Colston, he's got deceptive speed for a long-limbed guy. He's a little lighter and slower than VJax, but I believe he's just as good at using his physical advantages. Floyd's main problem was injuries last year, if he can stay healthy, I think he'll be almost as prominent as Vjax in the offense.

 

[Banger]

Thanks. That's pretty much how I see it to. Where does the Floyd love come from?J

Because he's good and has the same size as Vjax (not as fast) and was being used as much as Vjax last year until he got hurt. There's not a big dropoff from one to the other IMO.

 

[RonnieBrown23]

Craig Davis reminds me of a Reggie Wayne. Wayne didn't have that big of a rookie season, but the rest is history from there.

The Chargers offense will remain dynamic as long as LT is touting the rock. The Chargers must agree with my sentiments because they took Davis in the first over many more heralded WR's still available. They then traded the farm in the next round for Eric Weddle.

Rumors also had the Colts were miffed that Davis went 30th, because he was there first choice at #32 and not Anthony Gonzalez

 

[Banger]

Demetrius Williams - WR Ravens. Wouldn't surprise me if he takes Mason's spot. He's a 2nd year guy who's got good speed and Billick seems to love.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Demetrius Williams - WR Ravens. Wouldn't surprise me if he takes Mason's spot. He's a 2nd year guy who's got good speed and Billick seems to love.

He should overtake Mason this year. Even if he's not in on as many snaps, he'll definitely outproduce him.

 

[smackdaddies]

Another vote for James Jones in Green Bay. Kid has been lights out. Jenning is complaining about not getting looks already. I think with the Packers lack of receiving threats at TE and FB, they will be playing a lot of three and four wide formations. Jones is entrenched as the third guy right now but could certainly move up.

Drafting a rookie WR who will be the #3 on at best a fair team is not a winning strat. Last year Jennings was clearly #2 during preseason and had more speed than anyone on the field. Now in a dynasty league, he does look prime to take over DD's postion in the future. But until Driver is gone, Jones wont be anything more than an afterthought.

 

[red]

Craig Davis

Hi bsn,This one interests me. I'm with you on Davis. But I still hear lots of Floyd talk that I don't buy. Unpack the WRs there a little if you would.J

Starters:Vincent Jackson - wont live up to his ADPCraig Davis - great value in the last 2 rounds of your draft especially PPR leaguesWR3- Malcolm Floyd - will get more goaline work than C.Davis, but WR3. probably a waiver wire if injury occurs to top 2 or god forbid Gates.Bench - Eric Parker injured. He's borderline PUP list and should be waiver wire fodderNote that in certain packages the chargers go with their big WR's VJax and Floyd on the goalline. To get the height advantage.

Thanks. That's pretty much how I see it to. Where does the Floyd love come from?From the Email Update last night:

SD - Rookie WR Davis Entrenched As StarterSource: Kevin Acee, San Diego Union Tribune, Sporting NewsSan Diego Chargers first-round pick WR Craig Davis is settling in as the No. 2 receiver in the absence of Eric Parker. By the time Parker returns, which should be late October at the earliest, Davis may have aced him out of a role, according to some sources.[ [ [ [ [ [ [ [ [ [ OUR VIEW ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ]Davis has quietly had a really nice rookie training camp. The #2 WR is always going to be limited on a team with TE Antonio Gates and a running threat like LaDainian Tomlinson but he's still a value in most leagues.

J

I wouldnt say it's Floyd love, but he has played alot in the pre-season. Dont sleep on him (Floyd) either though joe. the chargers are looking alot like WRBC to me.

Cool. Thanks for the insights.J

i've been high on craig davis as a late round sleeper, but in my TD heavy league, i'm starting to think that floyd should be the sleeper pick....thoughts?

 

[erymer]

I saw a Santonio Holmes vote, and while I like him a lot this year IMO he is not flying under the radar at all anymore--it seems even casual players have caught on.

The couple of real drafts I've been privy to so far are far from scientific, but he was taken in the 5th-6th round in 12 team, RB heavy leagues with a mix of sharks & guppies.

exactly. Especially with that bit on him on ESPN last night. He finished strong last year and stayed to work out since Jan and it shows. And with 6 rec for 148 and a TD in the first 3 preseason games, he is about as hot as it gets. I also like Craig Davis. Jackson and Floyd aren't known for getting great separation in the open field, but at 6'5 they, along with Gates and LT will be the red zone options. I wouldn't expect many TD's from Davis that are under 15 yds.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Where does the Floyd love come from?

My Floyd love comes from watching the guy play. I think he's a better natural WR when it comes to ball skills than VJax, and like Colston, he's got deceptive speed for a long-limbed guy. He's a little lighter and slower than VJax, but I believe he's just as good at using his physical advantages. Floyd's main problem was injuries last year, if he can stay healthy, I think he'll be almost as prominent as Vjax in the offense.

Hi Sigmund,Do you think he'll overtake Davis or do you think it'll be more of a production thing in 3 WR sets? When I ask where the love is coming from, I mean where it's coming from with regard to production that is dictated by playing time.J

 

[EBF]

I've heard good camp buzz on these guys:

Trent Edwards, QB, BUF - Already beat out Nall for the #2 role. Keep an eye on this guy. He was a five star recruit in high school who was held back in college due to weak supporting talent and injured receivers. Now that he's playing with good players, he seems to be thriving.

Taylor Jacobs, WR, SF - Playing well. Will make the roster and contribute. Lacks upside, but could be a nice sleeper in deep leagues or best ball leagues.

Mike Walker, WR, Jax - Doing well in camp. Given the lack of proven talent on the roster, he'll have a chance to contribute immediately.

James Jones, WR, GB - Same story as Walker, but with tougher competition for targets. Should be the WR3 or WR2 this season.

Laurent Robinson, WR, ATL - Getting lots of work and doing well. Good candidate for a surprise season.

Bernard Berrian, WR, CHI - He'll be the #1 WR in Chicago next season. Bank on it.

Chansi Stuckey, WR, NYJ - Will make the roster, but won't play too much as a rookie. Good stash guy for your dynasty squad.

Steve Smith, WR, NYG - No surprise. He's always been a playmaker. Not flashy, but should have a long career.

Calvin Johnson, WR, DET - He's pretty good.

Craig Davis, WR, SD - Showing nice potential. Good athlete with the AJ Smith seal of approval. Seems like a good dynasty buy.

Berrian is probably the best candidate for a breakout season. Walker and Robinson have a good chance to surprise given the lack of quality competition in their WR units.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Where does the Floyd love come from?

My Floyd love comes from watching the guy play. I think he's a better natural WR when it comes to ball skills than VJax, and like Colston, he's got deceptive speed for a long-limbed guy. He's a little lighter and slower than VJax, but I believe he's just as good at using his physical advantages. Floyd's main problem was injuries last year, if he can stay healthy, I think he'll be almost as prominent as Vjax in the offense.

Hi Sigmund,Do you think he'll overtake Davis or do you think it'll be more of a production thing in 3 WR sets? When I ask where the love is coming from, I mean where it's coming from with regard to production that is dictated by playing time.J

I dont know if he'll overtake Davis in 2 WR sets because Davis is able to be the quicker, shiftier WR a la Parker/McCardell - Davis gives them a different look than Jackson/Floyd. I think it'll be more productive in 3 WR sets/red zone. I think Rivers has just as much trust in FLoyd as he does in Jackson, if not more. Jackson can get open with the best of them, but sometimes he looks awkward when it comes time to do to the little things to secure a catch.

 

[Judge Smails]

Question... since I have a bad memory.What glowing camp reports were there on Marques Colston that led everyone to believe he was a sleeper last year? I don't remember hearing his name.

Last year, I remember reading a lot about Colston and Jennings strong camps. Both panned out quite well.

But just look at the list of names above this post... how many others had good camps last season? They can't all pan out.If we all knew who the next Colston would be, he would not be the next Colston... he'd be this guy we all knew would be good.

Last year there was a lot of buzz about Colston and Jennings moving into starters roles, catching everything thrown their way, not looking like rookies, getting praised by their QB's, and had strong preseason games. I took my shot on Jennings instead of Colston.. FBG'rs will highlight the must have guys to get late - could be key to winning championships..

 

[elcohiba]

Any info on Charles Sharon ? - Jax - Not much competition there.

 

[Sleeper 43]

Unfortunately I'm pretty sure there wont be a 7th round WR1 this year. That being said, I think DAVID SUTTON justs need the reps for a year and he could be our next Colston.

Sutton has all the physical tools, he just very raw. But yeah he's torn it up in camp and has been called the next best WR in camp besides Chambers.

I expect at the worst practive squad this year but I think next off-season we'll start hearing about hows he putting it all together.

His HC groomed Antonio Gates, so Cam knows how to handle the situation.

 

[Riffraff]

Thanks. That's pretty much how I see it to. Where does the Floyd love come from?

VJackson - everyone assumes he's the guy to have because he's the last man standing from Parker and McCardell. However, he's still just a project WR. Didn't really get the TDs until Floyd got injured. #1 WR by default, but not all that impressive to hold it.Floyd - Replica playing style of VJackson. Was doing better than VJ until he got hurt. He's obviously a redzone TD threat with his size. But if you look at his targets, the Chargers chuck the rock to him once they get to midfield. He is a homerun threat as well.Davis - the future #1 WR in SD. Just not this year. Can do it all. Studies hard, attended the Manning Passing Academy before the draft, runs decent routes, good speed, and has solid hands.Parker - Solid possession receiver (minus the New England game). Has a knack for getting open with good route running. Just not imposing in size or speed.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Where does the Floyd love come from?

My Floyd love comes from watching the guy play. I think he's a better natural WR when it comes to ball skills than VJax, and like Colston, he's got deceptive speed for a long-limbed guy. He's a little lighter and slower than VJax, but I believe he's just as good at using his physical advantages. Floyd's main problem was injuries last year, if he can stay healthy, I think he'll be almost as prominent as Vjax in the offense.

Hi Sigmund,Do you think he'll overtake Davis or do you think it'll be more of a production thing in 3 WR sets? When I ask where the love is coming from, I mean where it's coming from with regard to production that is dictated by playing time.J

I dont know if he'll overtake Davis in 2 WR sets because Davis is able to be the quicker, shiftier WR a la Parker/McCardell - Davis gives them a different look than Jackson/Floyd. I think it'll be more productive in 3 WR sets/red zone. I think Rivers has just as much trust in FLoyd as he does in Jackson, if not more. Jackson can get open with the best of them, but sometimes he looks awkward when it comes time to do to the little things to secure a catch.

Cool.J

 

[switz]

Laurent Robinson, WR, ATL ®

I have him marked for my last pick

 

[strong]

I saw a Santonio Holmes vote, and while I like him a lot this year IMO he is not flying under the radar at all anymore--it seems even casual players have caught on.

The couple of real drafts I've been privy to so far are far from scientific, but he was taken in the 5th-6th round in 12 team, RB heavy leagues with a mix of sharks & guppies.

exactly. Especially with that bit on him on ESPN last night. He finished strong last year and stayed to work out since Jan and it shows. And with 6 rec for 148 and a TD in the first 3 preseason games, he is about as hot as it gets. I also like Craig Davis. Jackson and Floyd aren't known for getting great separation in the open field, but at 6'5 they, along with Gates and LT will be the red zone options. I wouldn't expect many TD's from Davis that are under 15 yds.

Yeah, I signed Holmes a month ago in my salary cap/contract league with only a little competition... and now the offers are pouring in... Three came in last night so I assume some other people saw that piece on ESPN as well... As far as the SD trio goes...

Is Malcom Floyd's older brother really Malcolm Floyd, the receiver from the 90s? Malcom and Malcolm?

 

[Gr00vus]

VJackson - everyone assumes he's the guy to have because he's the last man standing from Parker and McCardell. However, he's still just a project WR. Didn't really get the TDs until Floyd got injured. #1 WR by default, but not all that impressive to hold it.

Actually he's the #1 WR a)because that's the position he's got in the lineup and the patterns he runs b)because the coaches have said so c)because he has the best combination of skills of all the Charger WRs. He actually does get good separation, has great speed, has a knack for getting behind the D and is very strong for a WR. His one problem has been concentration. If he gets that under control he can be Michael Irvin in this offense.

Floyd - Replica playing style of VJackson. Was doing better than VJ until he got hurt. He's obviously a redzone TD threat with his size. But if you look at his targets, the Chargers chuck the rock to him once they get to midfield. He is a homerun threat as well.

Actually I don't see much similarity in the two except for their height. Floyd is lanky, and is still somewhat soft. Floyd pretty much ran flys and gos exclusively last year down one sideline or the other. He did get a jump ball or two sent his way. This preseason he's gone over the middle a bit more with mixed results. Honestly I think his role will be exactly what it was last year before he got hurt, in fact probably reduced due to Davis. I wouldn't count on Floyd for much FF wise, unless somebody gets hurt.

Davis - the future #1 WR in SD. Just not this year. Can do it all. Studies hard, attended the Manning Passing Academy before the draft, runs decent routes, good speed, and has solid hands.

I don't know if he becomes #1, but he's robably the best value overall of the Charger receivers this year. He should put up good yardage numbers, and hopefully will get behind the defense often enough to really distort the field. Looks like he's got great hands as well.

 

[FFdork]

Mike Walker, WR, Jax - Doing well in camp. Given the lack of proven talent on the roster, he'll have a chance to contribute immediately.Laurent Robinson, WR, ATL - Getting lots of work and doing well. Good candidate for a surprise season.

Someone was looking for a Colston situation, where the sleeper WR doesn't have clear-cut starters in front of him. The two above fit that criteria. Still neither of those situations is close to NO last year in terms of the QB and surrounding cast. Jax looks the closest with Taylor and MJD playing the Deuce and Bush roles, but no Brees is a problem.I'm far from the first to say it, but looking for a Colston probably isn't going to be that fruitful. It was a rare event due to a confluence of circumstances. That's not to say it couldn't happen again this year, but odds are...

 

[bcr8f]

SHHHH... don't look now but Shaun Mcdonald (a big reason Furrey moved to Safety with the rams) is STILL twice the reciever Mike Furrey is and ever will be.

Yes he is leading in yards and average.

 

[EBF]

Mike Walker, WR, Jax - Doing well in camp. Given the lack of proven talent on the roster, he'll have a chance to contribute immediately.Laurent Robinson, WR, ATL - Getting lots of work and doing well. Good candidate for a surprise season.

Someone was looking for a Colston situation, where the sleeper WR doesn't have clear-cut starters in front of him. The two above fit that criteria. Still neither of those situations is close to NO last year in terms of the QB and surrounding cast. Jax looks the closest with Taylor and MJD playing the Deuce and Bush roles, but no Brees is a problem.I'm far from the first to say it, but looking for a Colston probably isn't going to be that fruitful. It was a rare event due to a confluence of circumstances. That's not to say it couldn't happen again this year, but odds are...

I agree with your general point, but it's important to remember that a WR doesn't need a great QB in order to have a great season. Boldin had his breakout rookie year with Jeff Blake at the helm. Michael Clayton had a huge rookie year with Griese under center. Chad Johnson broke out with Jon Kitna starting (Kitna was considered nothing but a journeyman at the time). It certainly helps having a great QB, but the most important factor in a WR's success is probably just the raw number of targets. Walker and Robinson are in situations where they could see a lot of passes come their way.

 

[spaml0af]

Any opinions/input on either of the Dwayne's (Jarrett and Bowe) from a camp perspective?

 

[Finatic]

Drew Carter

Have heard mixed reviews on him,a Bass & Brew glowing report on him would be nice.......

 

[hephner]

I think Sidney Rice in Minny is looking pretty good so far, and that team is desperate for a #1WR to step up. I really think its going to be him. Williamson will be a nice deep threat on the other side, but I dont see him with the size or the consistent package of skills to be any team's lead guy. Rice has looked good on the slant, over the middle, and hasnt dropped anything that Ive seen. This team will have a solid running game, teams will be forced to respect that, and it should open things up for the passing game. Take it with a grain of salt because he's only going to be as good as the QB Jackson allows him to be, but theyre both young, and I expect they'll develop a solid chemistry. Childress is an excellent offensive minded coach, so he'll find a way to get Rice in position to make plays. I can see him among the top 2 or 3 rookie WRs this season.

Brandon Jackson is in position to succeed in Green Bay, and that job appears to be his to lose. He's looked nice so far, and should be the lead back this year for the Pack. This D will be pretty good, so he'll get plenty of touches in close games.

I expect Matt Shaub will light up teams this year more than most think. He's looked good so far in Houston, and this team's D is still in question, so the points and passing #s will be needed to compete.

Leon Washington, though he certainly looks small, looks great for the Jets, and he makes plays. Jones will still be the lead back, but this team will have to find a way to get this kid on the field as often as possible.

Im completely buying the Santonio Holmes hype. He finished strong last year, has looked great so far this preseason, hits the homerun, has attitude and wants the ball, and has an aging #1 needing help on the other side. Holmes steps up as the lead WR in Pittsburgh this year.

I think Matt Leinart is going to light up the league this year. He's been looking good, and for however much the new staff may want to run the ball more this year, this team's best players still are at QB and WR. Some teams run to set up the pass. Some pass to set up the run. This team will pass to set up more of the pass. He's been highly underprojected, imo.

As much as it pains me to say it, the Dallas team has looked really good so far. Any starting player on that O would be a value pick. Wade Phillips will run his D, and stay out of the way on O. And the points will fly. I can definitely see them as the top team in the NFC this year.

Joe Addai has the look of a rising fantasy stud with the Colts.....surprise, surprise.

Wes Welker has been the one WR in New England who's truly developed the chemistry with Brady. He'll catch a whole lot of balls running underneath those track stars on the outside. He'll lead that team in catches this year.

Michael Turner has looked like the beast we all think he is. More than one team will regret not making a serious play for this guy by season's end.

And I havent seen much of him yet in camp or preseason, but I still expect DeAngelo Williams to step up this year in Carolina. Foster is simply NOT a starting NFL running back. And I do NOT own Williams on any fantasy teams.

And Colts' rookie LT Tony Ugoh is going to be just fine. He's being well coached and looks like a player.

I have to disagree on a few of these.First, Sidney Rice has struggled in camp from what I've read, and if the Robert Ferguson signing tells you anything, it should be that Rice will be buried on the depth chart this year. Williamson is the #1, and Ferguson/Wade will end up at 2/3. They know Rice is a project. He may become one of the best receivers in this year's draft class, but it's going to take time. I'm guessing 3 years.

Schaub has not been particularly impressive thus far for the Texans. They like his leadership abilities, but he struggled bigtime against the Bears. He looked better in week 2, but keep in mind, it was against a weak Cardinals secondary. I don't doubt he's got some talent, but I really don't see him being much of an upgrade over Carr, unless that o-line learns how to pass block in a hurry.

I agree on Holmes, but he's hardly a sleeper these days. Although I do think he could outperform his ADP of WR34 right now, but probably not by much. He is a homerun threat, and great with run after catch, but he won't get many red zone looks with Ward, H. Miller, and Parker there.

NFL teams clamoring for Turner won't have to wait long. He's a free agent after this year. He didn't go anywhere cause the trade price was too high.

I think Leinart is being projected right around where he belongs.

Agree on Welker and Leon Washington though.

(However, Washington probably won't be much more than a glorified 3rd down back. And keep in mind, they've already been trying to find ways to get him on the field. Last year, he lined up at WR more times than any other RB not named Reggie Bush. But he'll make a better NFL player than a fantasy player. He's not suited to be an every down back.)

To the original poster, Marcus Colston's don't happen. It was such a rarity, that you can almost never predict someone to do it again (at least on that scale), cause it may never happen again.

That said, a few of my favorite sleeper candidates are:

James Jones - Jennings continues to disappoint, and Jones catches everything. He also fights for the ball and is willing to go over the middle and make the tough catch. Plus, the Packers have been using a lot of 3 and even 4 wide receiver sets, so even when he is the 3rd WR behind Driver and Jennings, he should still get plenty of opportunities to produce.

Jerome Harrison - I've got a feeling that Jamal Lewis doesn't last the season as the starting RB in Cleveland. I just don't think he's anywhere near the back he used to be. Harrison reportedly is fighting for a roster spot trying to win the RB3 job, and is still behind Jason Wright, but I don't see him being cut. He's already shown great ability in passing situations and will likely end up as the 3rd down back for now, and he has more talent than Wright, so I wouldn't be surprised to see him as the starter in the Cleveland backfield by the end of the year (whatever that's worth).

Demetrius Williams - I see the 2nd year receiver taking over Mason's job by mid-season. I think he has a great future opposite Clayton.

A few others, but I think have already been mentioned: Jacoby Jones, Laurent Robinson, Malcolm Floyd