Who Is The Best 'Economy QB' 2006? (1 Viewer)

[Texasmouth]

But I'm most amazed that any DET, SF or CHI QB gets any votes  :X

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With Martz, Roy, Pollard, BMW, you're surprised that Kitna would get votes?I'm not sure I'd consider him a value in most leagues, seems a lot of people will peg him as a sleeper, so someone grabs him early. But, he has top 10 FF potential if he keeps the job.

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Martz- Great O-coordinator, I wont argue that.Roy- amazing talent, but lazy and doesn't run "clean" routes. Also an injury risk

Pollard- Did this guy even play last year? He was invisible, and will be again this year, as all TE are when Martz is coaching.

BMW? Give me a break. What has this guy done? Completely over rated, lazy and over weight. He should get moved to TE, he doesn't have the speed or dedication to be a WR.

Charles Rogers might not even make the roster.

 

[Foosball God]

Other - Josh McCown

 

[BigRed]

But I'm most amazed that any DET, SF or CHI QB gets any votes   :X

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With Martz, Roy, Pollard, BMW, you're surprised that Kitna would get votes?
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Over the other options? Yes. Are you not familiar with Kitna or the Lions' various problems? Also Roy Wms is the injury-prone type (etc). And who the flip is "BMW" - ? English please.I like the Lions and would love to see them turning it around, but Kitna won't get them far, even with big improvements elsewhere.

 

[BoltBacker]

I don't really see what relevance last years passing numbers for Chi have.  They didn't have Grossman and were stuck with a far below average rookie QB who the team was scared to even let throw the ball.

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I think they have a lot of relevance given the success CHI had and should have this year. CHI has proven they can win with defense and rushing the ball. Don't you expect them to win this year with defense and rushing the ball? Looking at that schedule it doesn't appear to me they are going to have to worry about many shoot-outs this season.

 

[H.K.]

In reverse order:

Alex Smith - SF is a mess, 'nuff said.

Chad Pennington - The poll is inclusive for all 16 games, so Chad is automatically eliminated

Charlie Frye - Too inexperienced throughout the offense, I don't expect big numbers

David Carr - Hasn't done it yet, I will let someone else take a chance on him

Philip Rivers- Learning curve and run oriented offense will not yield good FF numbers this year

Rex Grossman- I like his leadership, but I don't play in any leagues that give points for that....I also don't play in any leagues that give points for handing off. Rex is not in a system that will allow him to put up big numbers.

Brad Johnson- Maybe, but new HC wants to run more, and injury risk at his age coupled with his lack of mobility is high.

Chris Simms - Another maybe. Simms has improved, has good talent around him and a coach that isn't afraid to throw.

*WINNER*

Jon Kitna - Surrounding talent and Martz factor make me like him the most. Was a top ten QB in 2003, (with the exception of Brad Johnson, I don't think anyone else on the list has been Top 10 before) so I think he is the best bet to do it again, and he can probably be acquired at a very low price point.

 

[mistersmith]

*WINNER*

Jon Kitna - Surrounding talent and Martz factor make me like him the most.  Was a top ten QB in 2003, (with the exception of Brad Johnson, I don't think anyone else on the list has been Top 10 before) so I think he is the best bet to do it again, and he can probably be acquired at a very low price point.

how many passing tds did the lions score last year? i'm usually more high on a lower tier qb going into a top 10 offense rather than a top 10 qb going into a lower tier offense. for martz and kitna to turn around from how the lions did last year is going to take a monumental effort. i feel like there's always this hype with the lions about how they're going to be this incredible offensive juggernaut since they've drafted top offensive prospects every year but they just end up drafting from the same spot the year after.

 

[-OZ-]

But I'm most amazed that any DET, SF or CHI QB gets any votes   :X

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With Martz, Roy, Pollard, BMW, you're surprised that Kitna would get votes?
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Over the other options? Yes. Are you not familiar with Kitna or the Lions' various problems? Also Roy Wms is the injury-prone type (etc). And who the flip is "BMW" - ? English please.I like the Lions and would love to see them turning it around, but Kitna won't get them far, even with big improvements elsewhere.

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As a lifelong Lions fan, of course I'm familiar.My comment was that you shouldn't be surprised that he's getting votes. Not that he got mine.

 

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*WINNER*

Jon Kitna - Surrounding talent and Martz factor make me like him the most.  Was a top ten QB in 2003, (with the exception of Brad Johnson, I don't think anyone else on the list has been Top 10 before) so I think he is the best bet to do it again, and he can probably be acquired at a very low price point.

how many passing tds did the lions score last year? i'm usually more high on a lower tier qb going into a top 10 offense rather than a top 10 qb going into a lower tier offense. for martz and kitna to turn around from how the lions did last year is going to take a monumental effort. i feel like there's always this hype with the lions about how they're going to be this incredible offensive juggernaut since they've drafted top offensive prospects every year but they just end up drafting from the same spot the year after.
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Maybe there's a reason they signed a veteran QB?

 

[mistersmith]

*WINNER*

Jon Kitna - Surrounding talent and Martz factor make me like him the most.  Was a top ten QB in 2003, (with the exception of Brad Johnson, I don't think anyone else on the list has been Top 10 before) so I think he is the best bet to do it again, and he can probably be acquired at a very low price point.

how many passing tds did the lions score last year? i'm usually more high on a lower tier qb going into a top 10 offense rather than a top 10 qb going into a lower tier offense. for martz and kitna to turn around from how the lions did last year is going to take a monumental effort. i feel like there's always this hype with the lions about how they're going to be this incredible offensive juggernaut since they've drafted top offensive prospects every year but they just end up drafting from the same spot the year after.
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Maybe there's a reason they signed a veteran QB?
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look at the weapons he had in cincinnati and compare them to what he will have in detroit. i heard the same talk about drafting harrington for value last year and he was still a bust.

 

[On The Rocks]

Who Is The Best 'Economy QB'?   David Carr [ 45 ]  [16.13%] Philip Rivers [ 45 ]  [16.13%] Chris Simms [ 42 ]  [15.05%] Brad Johnson [ 44 ]  [15.77%] Jon Kitna [ 53 ]  [19.00%]

has there ever been a poll that had so many votes yet so wide and evenly spread responses?

 

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*WINNER*

Jon Kitna - Surrounding talent and Martz factor make me like him the most.  Was a top ten QB in 2003, (with the exception of Brad Johnson, I don't think anyone else on the list has been Top 10 before) so I think he is the best bet to do it again, and he can probably be acquired at a very low price point.

how many passing tds did the lions score last year? i'm usually more high on a lower tier qb going into a top 10 offense rather than a top 10 qb going into a lower tier offense. for martz and kitna to turn around from how the lions did last year is going to take a monumental effort. i feel like there's always this hype with the lions about how they're going to be this incredible offensive juggernaut since they've drafted top offensive prospects every year but they just end up drafting from the same spot the year after.
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Maybe there's a reason they signed a veteran QB?
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look at the weapons he had in cincinnati and compare them to what he will have in detroit. <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Please do. Seriously, do you want to compare the WRs on talent, or production? Keeping in mind of course that Palmer >>> Harrington and Kitna = Kitna

2 years in the league, with Harrington as his QB, Roy has 1500 yards and 16 TDs.

2 years in the league, with Kitna as his QB, CJ had <1500 yards and 6 TDs.

Noone is saying Kitna = Palmer, or the offenses will be similar, but if you want to compare their weapons, please do.

I submit the only real difference is the OL.

 

[mistersmith]

*WINNER*

Jon Kitna - Surrounding talent and Martz factor make me like him the most.  Was a top ten QB in 2003, (with the exception of Brad Johnson, I don't think anyone else on the list has been Top 10 before) so I think he is the best bet to do it again, and he can probably be acquired at a very low price point.

how many passing tds did the lions score last year? i'm usually more high on a lower tier qb going into a top 10 offense rather than a top 10 qb going into a lower tier offense. for martz and kitna to turn around from how the lions did last year is going to take a monumental effort. i feel like there's always this hype with the lions about how they're going to be this incredible offensive juggernaut since they've drafted top offensive prospects every year but they just end up drafting from the same spot the year after.
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Maybe there's a reason they signed a veteran QB?
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look at the weapons he had in cincinnati and compare them to what he will have in detroit. <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Please do. Seriously, do you want to compare the WRs on talent, or production? Keeping in mind of course that Palmer >>> Harrington and Kitna = Kitna

2 years in the league, with Harrington as his QB, Roy has 1500 yards and 16 TDs.

2 years in the league, with Kitna as his QB, CJ had <1500 yards and 6 TDs.

Noone is saying Kitna = Palmer, or the offenses will be similar, but if you want to compare their weapons, please do.

I submit the only real difference is the OL.

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i think the best way to look at surrounding talent is to look at the overall production of the offense and not to just focus on the main wr.for kitna's two years in the league-

2002 - 1730 yards rushing, 3476 yards passing, ranked #18.

2003 - 1987 yards rushing, and 3342 yards passing, ranked #13.

harrington's two years-

2004 - 1777 yards rushing, 2916 yards passing, ranked #23.

2005 - 1471 yards rushing, 2848 yards passing, ranked #27.

cincinnati in most categories had a higher offensive output than detroit. i suppose it comes down to who you want to contribute the blame/praise to. but for kitna to come in a to perform a rams like resurrection ala kurt warner, to lift a team's offense that's ranked in the bottom of the nfl...i'm not saying it's impossible, but for me, it just makes it a risky call.

 

[H.K.]

*WINNER*

Jon Kitna - Surrounding talent and Martz factor make me like him the most.  Was a top ten QB in 2003, (with the exception of Brad Johnson, I don't think anyone else on the list has been Top 10 before) so I think he is the best bet to do it again, and he can probably be acquired at a very low price point.

how many passing tds did the lions score last year? i'm usually more high on a lower tier qb going into a top 10 offense rather than a top 10 qb going into a lower tier offense. for martz and kitna to turn around from how the lions did last year is going to take a monumental effort. i feel like there's always this hype with the lions about how they're going to be this incredible offensive juggernaut since they've drafted top offensive prospects every year but they just end up drafting from the same spot the year after.
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I'd be bitter if I were a Lions fan, too.However, Harrington is not a leader, Kitna is respected in this manner. Also, Martz in charge of that offense is a huge difference maker. Those are two major changes which make comparisons to previous results in Detroit moot.

 

[Holy Schneikes]

All these votes for Kitna, but I don't think he's even guaranteed to get the job. I'm anxious to see what McCown can do. He's making about the same amount of money as Kitna and he has a bit more upside.

 

[BigRed]

I submit the only real difference is the OL.

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<_< I submit BS.If you really think DET matches up at "skill" positions favorably or closely with CIN, IMO you are deluding yourself.

Pass on Kitna. He and McCown are both backup QBs waiting on a starter.