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Who is the one guy we're missing? (1 Viewer)

Weebs210 said:
Good catch, I meant Chudzinki...my point still stands though. Chud is the one who features TE though. The last 5 seasons his starting TE has been solid.
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The Colts will feature their strength, which is their wide receivers this year with Hilton, Moncrief, and Dorsett.  Allen wull have a couple good games, but not enough to trust him on a weekly basis.

 
Ever Present Lurker said:
I'll throw Isaiah Crowell out for consideration.  Duke Johnson got all the hype in the offseason, but this is a new team, especially once Gordon returns.  I think it's a real possibility that he finishes the year as RB18 or higher.
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During my draft, I saw an article on Hue Jackson's prior RBs and how "nice" they were and Crowell was just sitting there, so I took him. 

My problem is them losing and/or being from behind and not running much. Duke is a better "play from behind" running back with his catch N run ability. If they were a good team, I'd e way more confident in Crowell

 
ponchsox said:
Davante Adams?

Just kidding.
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Did anyone take him in round 18 like me though? I felt like I saw 1000 drops last season and the Packers would move on from him. They don't seem to have. He still seems to be above the good young 2-3 WRs they have. Why haven't they lost faith in him?

In the draft chat someone called him Reuben Randle II. I like that, fitting. But he's still 3rd WR with Cobb moving into the slot when he's in.

 
JohnnyU said:
The Colts will feature their strength, which is their wide receivers this year with Hilton, Moncrief, and Dorsett.  Allen wull have a couple good games, but not enough to trust him on a weekly basis.
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I guess that is the part we disagree on. I believe allen is a strength, especially in the red zone. I think he will be a top 10 TE in standard. 

 
For FF, for as long as I can remember, I considered some QBs to prefer the TE and some not to. As such, I'm not sure you guys are correct that the TE will get less work.

 
Bri said:
For FF, for as long as I can remember, I considered some QBs to prefer the TE and some not to. As such, I'm not sure you guys are correct that the TE will get less work.
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Do you think Luck is one of those QB? Who are the others?

When the Colts drafted Phillip Dorsett last season, as well as signing Andre Johnson in free agency, it seems pretty clear that the Colts were switching to more 3 WR sets and less 2 TE sets.

2014 1155 offensive snaps (includes playoffs)

R.Wayne        859    74.4% 116 targets
T.Hilton    831    71.9% 131 targets
C.Fleener    787    68.1% 92 targets
D.Allen        619    53.6% 50 targets
H.Nicks        576    49.9% 68 targets
D.Moncrief    411    35.6% 49 targets
J.Doyle        399    34.5% 22 targets

Fleener and Allen had the 3rd and 4th most offensive snaps in 2014. Allen only played in 13 regular season games.

WR snaps 2677 targets 364

TE snaps 1805 targets 164

2015 1104 offensive snaps

T.Hilton    925    83.7% 134 targets
D.Moncrief    836    75.7% 105 targets
C.Fleener    732    66.2% 84 targets
A.Johnson    710    64.3% 77 targets
D.Allen        509    46.1% 29 targets
J.Doyle        332    30.0% 14 targets
P.Dorsett    212    19.2% 39 targets

Fleener very similar to the prior season when you account for no playoff games but Allen's playing time was reduced. Allen played in 13 games.

WR snaps 2683 targets 355

TE snaps 1573 targets 127

The use of WR stayed about the same although this occurred in 3 fewer total games (playoff games in 2014) The use of TE was significantly less in 2015 than it was in 2014.

Andrew Luck only played in 7 games, so I suppose you could say with his return that the use of TE might go up with his return. However the offensive scheme has changed and Luck has to work within that framework.

Fleener is gone and he had the 3rd most snaps in both seasons as well as the 3rd most targets.

With more 3 WR sets Allen will likely see an increase in snaps and targets as long as he can stay healthy. He will also be required to block a lot though and it seems clear that the WR will likely be targeted more than the TE were with Pep Hamilton. 

Over the last two seasons (2013 Allen missed almost the whole year with injury, 2012 was his rookie season) Allen has .07 targets per snap played. So if he does play significantly more, such as 760 snaps (the average of Fleeners last 2 seasons) that would be 53 targets.

While I could see this being more for Allen due to lack of other TE options, I doubt he will be targeted as much as Fleener was, as they play pretty different roles despite being the same position. Fleener was more of a WR and not asked to block as much as Allen who is a more traditional inline TE/Hback type of player. So it is hard for me to see more than 70 targets for Allen based on what has happened with him thus far as well as the other changes to the offense shifting away from 2 TE sets.

 
Darrius Heyward-Bey 2016 = Ted Ginn 2015

Hated players, ideal situations. Will leave a ton of production on the field as always but most leagues don't penalize for drops. People are grasping at straws in that PIT offense for guys that have never done ANYTHING. If Heyward-Bey has a career year(eclipsing his 975/4 in oak) he'll be a steal.

 
Most of the names being mentioned in this thread are the same old sleeper picks I've seen on lists throughout the preseason... with the exception of Heyward-Bey and Conley. I'll throw one out there... Charles Johnson in Minnesota. He was a sleeper guy last year that never woke up, now with a new QB.... who knows how the distribution of targets will go?

 
chinawildman said:
Most of the names being mentioned in this thread are the same old sleeper picks I've seen on lists throughout the preseason... with the exception of Heyward-Bey and Conley. I'll throw one out there... Charles Johnson in Minnesota. He was a sleeper guy last year that never woke up, now with a new QB.... who knows how the distribution of targets will go?
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I am very surprised we haven't seen many mentions of Kenny Stills. With those DB's MIA is going to need to pass a great deal and Landry can only get so many targets. I was interested in Cameron in the spring but he seems to be in a career coma. Parker can't stay on the field. I don't think Caroo generated the buzz many were hoping for. Grant is a gadget guy. Ajayi looks like a complete mess and the inevitable Foster news is coming in one, two, three, .........

Stills seems like he could be in line for a lot of garbage stats to me even if Tanny can't throw the deep ball.

 
BoltBacker said:
Darrius Heyward-Bey 2016 = Ted Ginn 2015

Hated players, ideal situations. Will leave a ton of production on the field as always but most leagues don't penalize for drops. People are grasping at straws in that PIT offense for guys that have never done ANYTHING. If Heyward-Bey has a career year(eclipsing his 975/4 in oak) he'll be a steal.
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Good call. I have similar thoughts on DHB.  Go Terps!

For the folks saying CJA, I don't consider him fitting the profile of what this thread is about.  The OP can correct me if I'm wrong though.  CJA went in the 2nd in my 14 team snake and about the equivalent of the early 3rd in my auction.  I don't consider someone drafted in the top half of drafts to be someone we are "missing" as a FF community.

I think of this as a deep sleeper based on the OP's example of Anquan Boldin (presumably his rookie year) and offering Chris Conley as his pick.  Still trying to come up with a name that hasnt been mentioned.  I do like Drake, Barner, and a few others.  I like Sharpe as well but feel like he's had a lot of hype the last couple of weeks.  We're not missing him like some of the other names.  

So much info out there now, its hard to "miss" guys.  But I like the premise of the thread that there is a guy out there who will be significant to winning FF games, either short term or all season long.  Trying to identify that guy now is a big part of what makes this hobby fun and can win some folks some money.

 
LBH said:
I think it's Tyrell Williams WR SD
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He's been my last round choice in my drafts this year. But I'm a Charger homer, so big grain of salt there. He's got everything you'd want in a receiver, just needs to improve his concentration from last year. Problem is he's #3b at best in terms of targets right now behind Allen and Gates and Benjamin. Rivers likes the big targets on the outside though, I could see Williams making some hay this year.

 
Gr00vus said:
He's been my last round choice in my drafts this year. But I'm a Charger homer, so big grain of salt there. He's got everything you'd want in a receiver, just needs to improve his concentration from last year. Problem is he's #3b at best in terms of targets right now behind Allen and Gates and Benjamin. Rivers likes the big targets on the outside though, I could see Williams making some hay this year.
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I think he will be targeted more than the masses seem to think but we will find out soon enough 

 
Bia, you're missing the TE that filled in Doyle or Coyle.

Pasting from you-(and nice research BTW)

WR snaps 2677 targets 364

TE snaps 1805 targets 164

WR snaps 2683 targets 355

TE snaps 1573 targets 127

For 40 less snaps, the WRs are as even as can be. There's no significant uptick. If I add 15-20 targets for Coyle, the TE is only about one less target per game and again 40 less snaps for the O. Do backup TEs get the same amount as an athletic starter? One less per game is pretty close IMO and I wouldn't consider it different.

 
chinawildman said:
Most of the names being mentioned in this thread are the same old sleeper picks I've seen on lists throughout the preseason... with the exception of Heyward-Bey and Conley. I'll throw one out there... Charles Johnson in Minnesota. He was a sleeper guy last year that never woke up, now with a new QB.... who knows how the distribution of targets will go?
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I did notice some said he looked good this summer.

Minnesota does have some talented underrated WRs. My question is if they even pass enough

 
Ever Present Lurker said:
I'll throw Isaiah Crowell out for consideration.  Duke Johnson got all the hype in the offseason, but this is a new team, especially once Gordon returns.  I think it's a real possibility that he finishes the year as RB18 or higher.
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No one is "missing" Crowell, he's a 6-7 round pick in every mock and draft I've done.  :confused:

 
Im gonna throw Jaron Brown's name in the mix.    He'll need an injury to be of any value, but Fitz, Floyd and John Brown have all had some type of injury already.  This is also more of a dynasty hold pick as there have been rumours that the team loves this kid and may opt to roll with him next year instead of signing Floyd to a big contract.  Just a flyer, but could pay dividends this year. 

 
So just to clarify, I was not looking for a guy like CJ Anderson. I was half asleep when I started this thread and probably meant undrafted... In any case, I like this thread how it is. Just giving people a chance to call their shot.

It will probably be Cole Beasley or someone who won't be on your roster by week 3. A lot of times one team just has a surprising game plan that highlights a guy who doesn't have sustainable talent.

 
I'm thinking this thread is about players who are under 20% owned. - I'll go with one of the SF WR2's - Patton, Streater or Kerley. If I had to pick one it would be Streater. 

 
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Bojang0301 said:
So just to clarify, I was not looking for a guy like CJ Anderson. I was half asleep when I started this thread and probably meant undrafted... In any case, I like this thread how it is. Just giving people a chance to call their shot.

It will probably be Cole Beasley or someone who won't be on your roster by week 3. A lot of times one team just has a surprising game plan that highlights a guy who doesn't have sustainable talent.
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So you mean week one performance only?

 
Kelvin Benjamin. I wrote him off too, but he showed week 1 that is he going to be a top 20 receiver, on volume alone. Cam loves him.

Michael Floyd. He hasn't gotten much buzz this offseason, but Fitz is already banged up, Brown had a bad concussion and isn't built to take hits and Palmer looked awful in the preseason so people are down grading their guys.

 
CJ Spiller

his usage in the preseason was more in line with what I expected last year. Plugging him in a couple of DFS tournaments

 
I hope its DJ Foster as I picked him up as a flyer...would like to see if he is active and then if they give him some playing time

 
BoltBacker said:
Darrius Heyward-Bey 2016 = Ted Ginn 2015

Hated players, ideal situations. Will leave a ton of production on the field as always but most leagues don't penalize for drops. People are grasping at straws in that PIT offense for guys that have never done ANYTHING. If Heyward-Bey has a career year(eclipsing his 975/4 in oak) he'll be a steal.
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It's certainly possible but there's a huge difference in the surrounding talent.  Last year cam had no proven receiving threat other than a very good tight end.  Ben has the best receiver in the league and better receiving backs.

DHB will probably have some value in best ball but I sure wouldn't be starting him in most leagues. 

 
I second the Quincy Enunwa call. He can play inside or out.

If I had to name a long shot flier how about Malcolm Brown RB LA Rams? The team is designed to run a ton and control the game. An injury to TG and an opportunity to shine presents itself. I was never a big fan of Bennie Cunningham, so may Brown is the guy.

 
jmo87usc said:
Im gonna throw Jaron Brown's name in the mix.    He'll need an injury to be of any value, but Fitz, Floyd and John Brown have all had some type of injury already.  This is also more of a dynasty hold pick as there have been rumours that the team loves this kid and may opt to roll with him next year instead of signing Floyd to a big contract.  Just a flyer, but could pay dividends this year. 
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Dynasty watch since he's been in the league, I hope I don't get left out when he becomes a pickup. QB/WR situation has kept him off my squads so far.

LBH said:
CJ Spiller

his usage in the preseason was more in line with what I expected last year. Plugging him in a couple of DFS tournaments
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I picked him up off waivers in one dynasty and in a couple 16 team leagues. He's healthy and there is plenty of upside both in talent and situation.

Ministry of Pain said:
WR-Mike Wallace, Baltimore
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He's bound to have some giant games this year.

 
Josh Doctson

Pretty much ignored because of the Achilles. Gets on the field in week 3 and is a starter by week 8, against a weak NFC East schedule. 

 
Sanu. Chance he steps right into the "Roddy White in his prime" role. He'll move the chains a lot this season.

 
Basing it on nothing, but a guy who fits the bill to me is Vjax. Boring vet who has performed in past but seems to already be left for dead at 33. Obviously best days are past him but that doesn't make him irrelevant. If Winston progress no reason they couldn't have two 1k receivers in TB. And if he sneaks up toward double digit Tds he'll be high end WR2 who was had for nothing.

 
The Dude said:
Cameron Jordan

starting the in an Adam Gase offense.
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All reports I've heard of people that have covered his teams are that he's a world class moron. The dictionary definition of a meathead.

 
Dennis Pitta


Dennis Pitta - TE -  Ravens



NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reports Ravens TE Dennis Pitta (finger, questionable) will start Week 1 against the Bills.
It's not surprising that Pitta is playing, though the announcement that he'll start is a bit expected. Pitta was listed behind Crockett Gillmore and Maxx Williams on the Ravens' depth chart but appears to have leapfrogged both of them. If Pitta maintains that role, he could work his way into the TE2 discussion. With that said, Pitta has a lot to prove after missing almost two years due to various injuries.

 
 
Source: Ian Rapoport on Twitter 
Sep 11 - 8:17 AM


 
None_More_Black said:
Kenjon Barner.  Ryan Mathews has an extensive injury history and the Eagles will look to run the ball this year. 
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This is my pick also I think when healthy Ryan Matthews is going to have a very very good year but when he does go down Barner is a very smart runner and Sproles is an every down rb and I think Smallwood fell out of favor quickly.

 
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