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Maybe it's because he has been hurt all season up until now... He also plays for the Lions and they don't have a very good track record when it comes to grooming a top Quarterback. I think he is the best, when it comes to QB Potential, that the Lions have had in a very, very long time. He has a decent shot at becoming a very good to great NFL QB.
i assume that stat is for ALL QBs (vets included)...what would it be if you adjusted it for rookies only?
I have to agree. Josh is a rock solid Qb.
Just about to post the same thing. Couple people had him 6th on their list. Behind Cutler even.
Guy took over a team that was 0-7 last year and has gone 7-8 since then, with 5 comeback wins. That's ridiculous.
Bob Magaw said:* a couple thread house cleaning items...lets try and pay a minimum respect to posters, and not assume if they prefer bradford, or sanchez, or freeman, it is because they are homers...also, try and take into account the previous track record... personally, i don't say every year about each QB that comes down the pike in a given year, that they are one of the most accurate QBs i have ever seen... in my seven or so years at FBG, i think i have said it only once... about bradford.
I didn't mean it as literal as I think you took it. it was more of a
moment then a 
moment. sorry if I offended you with it.
I know you don't. You know your stuff... I respect your posts and in fact that's why if you start a thread I check it out.
no offense, it was just a general comment for everybody, and thanks, i appreciate the feedback.Bob Magaw said:* a couple thread house cleaning items...lets try and pay a minimum respect to posters, and not assume if they prefer bradford, or sanchez, or freeman, it is because they are homers...also, try and take into account the previous track record... personally, i don't say every year about each QB that comes down the pike in a given year, that they are one of the most accurate QBs i have ever seen... in my seven or so years at FBG, i think i have said it only once... about bradford.
I didn't mean it as literal as I think you took it. it was more of amoment then a
moment. sorry if I offended you with it.
I know you don't. You know your stuff... I respect your posts and in fact that's why if you start a thread I check it out.
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/tiny/FwggA
Freeman brought his team from behind to beat Bradford's team the other day. Not sure how anybody can sit here with a straight face and say Bradford has outplayed Freeman. It's just not true.
I'm a huge fan of Freeman. However, last year at this time, after his first 7 games, he was 106-202 for 1207 yards, with 7 td and 13 int. His team was 1-6. Bradford's numbers--and record--are superior.
Freeman went on the road to beat the Super Bowl champs. Bradford went on the road to lose by 40 to the Lions.
And Freeman once went two games with 8 interceptions and no touchdowns. And his offense scored 20 points against the Saints, below the 21.3ppg their defense allowed last year, while Tampa's defense held the 31.9ppg Saints to only 17 points. Your question was you couldn't understand how someone could say Bradford has outperformed him. It's not unreasonable that when one highly touted QB prospect generates superior stats than a second highly touted QB prospect across the same span of games--the first seven of their career--that people will rank the other higher. Freeman's great, and I love watching him. But at the same point in his career, Bradford simply looks better.Freeman went on the road to beat the Super Bowl champs. Bradford went on the road to lose by 40 to the Lions.
Let's see what Bradford's playoff record is after 5 playoff games. Want to make a side bet that he never even PLAYS 5 playoff games in his career?He looks pretty good after 7 games, but don't anoint him a spot in Canton yet.
1 - you are the first person to mention canton. is flacco going to canton? exactly... the question is just, is he better than the likes of flacco, among QBs taken in last half decade. 2 - you seem to be fixated on the playoffs... flacco made it as a rookie... would he have made it with the rams... would flacco with the rams not be as good as flacco with the ravens, because he didn't make the playoffs...3 - are you accounting for the differences in receiving weapons in your evaluation... would flacco look as good throwing to amendola, gibson, gilyard, alexander, et all, and fells, bajema, uh oh... would bradford possibly look better throwing to boldin, mason, heap, etc.4 - QBs can have 10+ years, barring catastrophic injury (are you predicting that for bradford?)... a team can play four playoff games in one season... since you seem to have a good handle on what the rams will do for the next 10 years, please fill in the blanks for what their record is going to be for the next decade...2010201120122013201420152016201720182019
could you expand and elaborate on #2 above, beyond just because he is...
if you would discount record of flacco if he had a bad record with rams, but are unwilling to do same with bradford (maybe you are higher because of flacco's record and he made playoffs... oh yeah... with the RAVENS... you asked yourself when this thread became about supporting cast and surrounding talent... but when a player clearly plays for a better team, and you make an assumption that he is better without accounting for such differences, something is lacking in that analysis)... that seems arbitrary... please explain why flacco would be better than bradford, if he had the exact same record with the rams.is he more accurate? does he throw a more catchable ball? better leader? more athletic and mobile? smarter?
Sure. How do you want to do it?
Nobody's allowing for the age at which he entered the league either.
The first half of the game he was very rusty. Although, that had to be somewhat expected. The INT in the end zone was a bad throw. If he gets that up another foot it's probably a TD to Calvin Johnson. Then I think it was near the end of the first half? He was pressured out of the pocket and ran up to the line of scrimmage on the left side of the field and if he throws the ball a little further its an easy 6 points. but it was way under thrown and almost (should have been) another INT.But in the second half he had 3 TD's 0 INT's! And he was making some good throws and some good decisions. In Detroit, we're not used to seeing a QB take what a defense will give you. Stafford did that. I swear I don't know how many times I was happy to see a 4, 5 or 6 yard play? The Lions are usually in 3rd and 6 or worse. But because Stafford took what the Skins gave. The Lions were in better shape and because of that they could use more of their playbook.
The depth of sports topics you know nothing about is impressive.
What does that have to do with anything? There is no evidence that a QB forced to learn on the job has a better career. QBs who come out as underclassmen tend to perform worse.
The depth of your arrogant ignorance when it comes to all things Tampon Bay, is amusing.
Tampon Bay? Oof. I thought you were mildly funny. Another great game for Freeman, Dr. Oklahoma/Michigan/Seattle/Maryland Terps. Don't get left behind.
Taking that sack to take his team out of field goal range when they were trying to ice the game wasn't very good. He's got all the physical tools, he scored a 27 on the Wonderlic so he isn't dumb and he seems to be in a good situation down there. I like that coach, he says they are the best team in the NFC and there isn't any reason for his players not to believe him at this point.Tampon Bay? Oof. I thought you were mildly funny. Another great game for Freeman, Dr. Oklahoma/Michigan/Seattle/Maryland Terps. Don't get left behind.
He isn't a prospect any longer. He's a player. And as a player, he hasn't shown as much as Ryan has. This is not complicated.Because he is the best QB prospect since Peyton.He has played how many NFL games and you have him #1? I wonder why???
Stafford just turned 22 this offseason. Do we need to retrace some steps to find out what some of these other QBs were doing in their 21 and 22 year old seasons? He wasn't throwing a bunch of picks to lose to Florida State or losing to Middle Tennessee State or Appalachian State.Josh Freeman is another guy who was born in 1988. What these guys are doing at that age is, in my opinion, tremendous.
One of the big factors in a QBs success in the NFL is college experience. Stafford does not lack in that category. He was a 3 year starter for an SEC team.
