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This thread doesn't have to be all about passing on the two elite TE's....You could easily grab Gronk/Graham and then spend a later pick on Pettigrew if he was a solid value. This thread also benefits teams that draft at the top of the draft and will most likely not sniff either TE.be more constructive.
I dont disagree at all, but thats also not what I got from the original post.TEs I expect to perform better than their ADP:Jacob Tamme - Decent blocker, great receiver. Stars will align if Manning can stay healthy. Going a little bit higher in drafts then most of these guys.Greg Olson - Shockey gone, expecting Olson to cannibalize 100% of his redzone targets and most of the rest.Jermaine Gresham - Hes gonna be a pretty big part of the Bengals offense.Fred Davis - Little less confident about this one, Davis is talented but this relies entirely on the chemistry with RG3.
This is the correct answer.I like A. Gates to have a strong bounce back this year. I will target him if I don't get Graham or Gronkowski.
That's what I did. I took Gates in the 5th last night after Gronk and Graham were taken in the 2nd.Of course there will be value plays at TE this year as there are every year. But the OP suggests that you can get "simliar production" to Graham without paying the price tag for him. I don't think you can if we are talking about his production of last year.That's my problem with the premise of the thread. The OP suggests that what Gronk and Graham did last year wasn't special. When in fact it was historically special and the reason they are going in the 2nd round. Previously unheard of for the position.
People have been saying this for 3 years.
thisJulius Thomas deserves a mention though long term. Its a small glimmer of upside but one of the few that could match Jimmy Graham upside IMO
J Finley or Antonio Gates has the best chance to displace Graham / Gronk for top spot. Gates is listed as high as three on some boards but people have pretty much downplayed J Finley potential. He was Jimmy Graham before Jimmy Graham.
Ive rostered him for 3 years, I traded him for a sack of potatoes this year.Im well aware of his talent or I wouldnt have him burning holes in my roster, its that hes in an offense where the QB doesnt care about how talented you are.Also, no one has every downplayed Finley's talent in case you havent noticed the 300 some odd threads over the last 3 years about him.
Rob Housler - Kolb/SkeltonJordan Cameron - WeedonKyle Rudolph - PonderJared Cook - LockerDwayne Allen - Luckvs.Gronk - BRADYGraham - BREESIf you want a monster TE like those two, I think you need to have a combo of stud player and stud QB. Otherwise, your best case is another middle of the pack guy.Guys who sort of fit these criteria: Gates, Hernandez, Finley (gulp), WittenSolid but unspectacular guys if you want to wait 'til really late: Olsen, Pettigrew, Gonzo
The question was who is this years Jimmy Graham?To be a monster producer for FF purposes you need a to have 1. A ton talent2. Be in a prolific offense.Don't see Kyle Rudolph meeting both but I do see JFinley and AGates. Not saying they will be this years Jimmy Graham. The actual answer may end up being no one. I am just saying if there is one, I think it will be one of them. My third choice would be A.Hernandez.
I want to second Marcedes Lewis. He's going undrafted in most 12 team mocks I've been involved in. I plan on not drafting a TE this year until the last few rounds and grabbing two of Rudolph/Celek/Olsen/Lewis. Last year I was able to nab Graham and Gronk with a similar strategy. As long as I can hit on at least one of these two (or even pick up the guy that goes undrafted and blows up in week 1), I think I'll be in pretty good shape - especially with the depth at RB/WR this will allow me to create.
The reason I don't really see Pettigrew making a huge jump to the Gronkowski/Graham tier is that he I don't think he has the talent to produce those kind of elite TE numbers. In the last 2 seasons where he's actually been targeted as a TE1, his YPC has been 10.2 and 9.4 respectively; whereas Graham has had a YPC of 11.5 and 13.2, and Gronkowski has had a YPC of 13.0 and 14.7. Pettigrew just doesn't have the downfield ability to put up those kind of numbers imo. Having said that, I think you're right to assume he's likely to increase his TD total of 5, and perhaps by quite a bit. So even if he puts up the exact same receiving numbers but adds 2-4 TDs, he can pretty easily be a top5 TE, and he's being drafted as the TE #10 with an ADP of ~8.10, so he has the potential for a lot of value.'jurb26 said:
I don't think this is necessarily true. If you have a TE where he's one of the top 2 receiving options, he can also "break out". Specifically I'm thinking Gresham and Keller. I'd take those 2 over everyone on that list not named Gates. Both of them will be at worst 2nd recieving option and both are pretty good at getting open in the red zone. No one is going to expect Cincy or NYJ to throw for 4000 yards, but they should hit 3000. That's a pretty big pie for having only a few people at the table with forks.
FWIW, I took Gates this past weekend in my main league. I had targeted Pettigrew all the while and was biding my time, biding my time waiting to see Gates come off the board as my tell on when the TE run would begin. Low and behold, I ended up taking Gates in the 7th. I just couldn't let him fall any further. Once I took him a ton of TEs, including Pettigrew, went off the board before it came back to me. I agree that Gates is typically a 4th rounder. But not always.
I like this call as a sneaky late rounder. Dalton -> AJ Green, Gresham sounds reasonable as having some serious upside.
Yeah getting Gates in the 7th is a steal. He hasn't gone later than the 6th in any fantasyfootballcalculator mock draft.
I'm also on this bus. I think Hernandez outproduces Gronk this year.
I'm assuming you mean Fred. A month ago I might have said the same. But it looks like Cooley might actually stay on the team and Griffin hasn't even seemed to peak in Davis' direction in the pre-season.
and his hands are not that good either
Agreed. If Pettigrew can't be elite in a year when Stafford throws for 5K yards then it ain't gonna happen. Especially when so many people are predicting 1K yards for Titus Young this year and they spent a 2nd rounder on a slot guy.'bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
I order to be the next Graham or Gronk they would need to be a team that passes for 5000 yds. None of these guys have that.
Sorry, but you don't become the next Graham/Gronk with Sanchez/Tebow at QB. This also applies to anyone picking someone with Skeleton and Locker at the helm.Again, the topic is the next Graham/Gronk...historic type numbers...not the next sleeper that breaks out to be a viable fantasy starter.
Simple answer, I'll wager you $100 v. your $10 that Davis doesn't match Gronk/Graham 2011 numbers.
Bump, Rudolph and Cook have been value plays for anyone who read this thread. A few other good calls from our posters on here, too.Housler and Cameron have both flashed potential. Still bullish on Dwayne Allen / Ladarius Green.
Rudolph has some serious upside if he sees more action between the 20's because the guy is already a redzone monster. I'm very high on Rob Housler, the guy has all the tools to be a great pass catching TE, very dangerous with the ball in hands as well.
