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Who should be the next coach of the Philadelphia Eagles? (1 Viewer)
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Kwai Chang Caine
Footballguy
Cower, Fisher would be obvious choices of coaches with lotsbof previous experience. Not sure Cower wants back in but I heard Fisher wants back in next year somewhere.
I would love to see a young up and coming guy get a shot. Preferably someone defensive minded that would also appreciate that a good way to keep Vick healthy would be to not pass 80% of the time and that they have an awesome RB that should be getting twenty carries a game.
I would love to see a young up and coming guy get a shot. Preferably someone defensive minded that would also appreciate that a good way to keep Vick healthy would be to not pass 80% of the time and that they have an awesome RB that should be getting twenty carries a game.
Kwai Chang Caine
Footballguy
Would consider giving my left nut for that 
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Judging by the play over the past 5 weeks I wouldn't call the Eagles close to anything good.
SacramentoBob
Footballguy
Big fan of these threads that call for the head of one of the best coaches of all time.
phillybirds
Footballguy
I don't know, but at this point a lot of us in Philly just want a change.
Sick and tired of seeing some of the same problems year after year.
Sick and tired of seeing some of the same problems year after year.
Ladsud
Footballguy
In the coaching category of never winning the big game? or the category of never running the ball?
SacramentoBob
Footballguy
Running the ball is overrated.
Amused to Death
Footballguy
You mean the coach who has only won 3 playoff games since 2004? The one living off his early success? He's in year 7 post-super bowl...the team is regressing. He makes ALL the decisions. How much more time do you give him?
PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
Another reason Gruden makes sense is that his offense would have a short learning curve and wouldn't require a bunch of personnel changes. Obviously Fisher or Cowher could just bring in an OC that runs a similar WCO.
SacramentoBob
Footballguy
I've soured on Gruden as a HC since he went into the MNF booth.
TCFF
Footballguy
Nobody made you open the topic. Andy Reid is very good at some things. He always gets better production than he should out of his QB and he runs a good organization. However, if you have watched most of the Eagles games for the last 13 years, it's very easy to see just how much his shortcomings have cost the team. He has never felt that linebackers were important, so we have rarely had decent play at that position. I can't imagine a coach could manage the clock worse than Reid. Of course, every DC in the league knows that Andy will never run the ball. He has been obsessed with tiny "tweener" DEs that always amount to a wasted draft pick. He always seems to leave one or two glaring holes on his roster that anyone with eyes can see, but that he refuses to address. And just so this is clear, we are not talking about need studs at all positions. However there have been seasons where lacking a kick returner, fullback, average linebackers, or a bit of depth on the o line have cost us numerous games. His team often starts the season slow, giving up wins that mean road games in the playoffs and his team comes out flat and emotionless far too often. Add in the lack of discipline that has led to increases in penalties over the past few years and yes, I think it's past time to call for his head. This is not to say that I don't appreciate what he has done. Still there is a reason presidents are limited to 2 terms, sometimes it's just time for a fresh start.I think Gruden makes a lot of sense. We will need a good DC, but we have to have a head coach who can manage and get the best out of Michael Vick. Anyone who thinks that Vick's resurgence doesn't have a lot to do with Andy Reid is kidding themselves.
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mad sweeney
Footballguy
Tell that to Shanahan or Fisher. The Eagles have underachieved for years, regardless of how close they were. This offseason put Reid basically in a win-or-go-home situation and he's failing spectacularly. Eventually, even good coaches need a change of scenery.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
I'm not a fan of Gruden at all. I wanted him a couple years ago but the more I see him the less I want him.
Give me Fisher or a young firey guy.
Give me Fisher or a young firey guy.
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Amused to Death
Footballguy
And he would probably do a very good job of rebuilding them.
mr roboto
Footballguy
Perfect!Does he have anybody that can win us an NFC Championship game on his staff? Cause we haven't been so good at that recently.
Amused to Death
Footballguy
Hmmm, I'd guess not. He hasn't done that in 7 seasons now (assuming no miracle run here in '11).
mr roboto
Footballguy
Damn. You know Gruden has won a SB taking over a stacked team before. Maybe hire Reid with the understanding that he brings Gruden in for the stretch run. Someone call Ziggy.
SacramentoBob
Footballguy
Tony Dungy.
Breesisdaman
Footballguy
They wanted change in Miami and Denver as well. So far those aren't working out so well.'phillybirds said:
Amused to Death
Footballguy
That change in SF is looking pretty good though. Win some, lose some.
The Flying Elvis
Footballguy
Doesn't Miami still have Sparano? Or are you referring all the way back to Dave Wannstedt? I think everyone can agree that Wannstedt wasn't going to lead the Dolphins to prominence.
Bills_Fan11
Footballguy
I wouldn't say he's one of the best coach's ever, but living here I do think it's ridiculous the heat he gets. Every loss is his fault, the players get a pass on everything. If I could give you Eagle fans truth serum when Parcells and Gibbs were taking over the Cowboys & Redskins, you'd be terrified about your future status in the division - yet the Eagles continued to dominate his legendary rivals and basically send them packing. I think it's strange he doesn't get any credit for that.
For some reason Philly fan thinks there is a magic formula to winning championships. Media hacks refer to this as "it". Three years ago Charlie Manuel had "it" and Andy Reid didn't. I guess Manuel must've lost "it" on the subway somewhere since then while being handed one of the best starting rotations ever...
It took Bill Cowher 14 years and numerous playoff chokes to bring home the title - and he needed a lot of help along the way in the form of Carson Palmer's knee getting ruined and some of the worst officiating in league history vs. Seattle.
For some reason Philly fan thinks there is a magic formula to winning championships. Media hacks refer to this as "it". Three years ago Charlie Manuel had "it" and Andy Reid didn't. I guess Manuel must've lost "it" on the subway somewhere since then while being handed one of the best starting rotations ever...
It took Bill Cowher 14 years and numerous playoff chokes to bring home the title - and he needed a lot of help along the way in the form of Carson Palmer's knee getting ruined and some of the worst officiating in league history vs. Seattle.
The Flying Elvis
Footballguy
From the outside looking in, the Eagles need some more balance on offense. It is great that Vick is throwing for 400 yards a game but its not working. There were/are similar criticisms to my teams, the Patriots, offense. Brady can throw for 400 and score 30+ points a game but you also aren't balanced and controlling the clock and gameflow. Andy Reid has the reputation as not being a run coach but I think he needs to make a concentrated effort to get McCoy about 20+ touches combined a game. He is a dynamic playmaker who can help take the pressure of the pass rush off of Vick. By running a bit more you give the defense a little more time to rest and make some adjustments and help combat an ineffective pass blocking offensive line.
Breesisdaman
Footballguy
You forgetting about Saban?
phillybirds
Footballguy
Fear of the unknown is a poor argument for not making change.I remember people outside of Philly said the same crap about McNabb when we got fed up with him his last few years here. Now you can't find anyone defending McNabb and you can see what we saw. Unless you watch a team every week you are not going to understand. The fans of Philly want a SuperBowl, not just a better than average team that loses in the playoffs every season...and certainly not the mess they put on the field this season.
Amused to Death
Footballguy
In his first 6 seasons, AR had 1 losing season - his first. He inherited Brian Dawkins, Trotter & Hugh Douglas. They had a different GM and scouting department. They are now in year 7 post-Super Bowl. Its all Andy Reid. They are on the verge of their 3rd losing season of those 7 with only 3 playoff wins (compared to 7 playoff wins the first 6 years, 5 straight years with post-season wins). They are no closer to a championship now then they were in '06 and regressing further.If Andy's tenure started in '05, he'd be gone by now or at least at the end of this year assuming no post-season. He is not on the Mt. Rushmore of coaching and he's probably not the best coach the Eagles will ever have.
phillybirds
Footballguy
We've been saying that in Philly for the last 6 or 7 years. Didn't matter if McNabb was coming back from or playing through an injury and getting killed on every snap. There was nothing that was going to make him run the ball more than he feels like running it. The players change but the situation stays the same. He believes in doing it the way he wants to do it and he's not going to change it.
BassNBrew
Footballguy
The same fans that wanted Vick to become the face of the franchise and Kolb jettisoned?The same fans who want Fisher who's resume is basically Fisher lite?
phillybirds
Footballguy
I never wanted Vick to become the face of the franchise and I don't know enough about Fisher to say whether I'd be happy with him taking over or not.
Amused to Death
Footballguy
Funny thing is, the final call was Andy's. And it was Andy's decision to give Vick the 100mil contract. Fans didn't make those decisions even if we wanted it. Face it, this whole debacle - from the recent one-and-done post seasons to the players to the coaches...all Andy Reid. It was Andy's guys who were just cleared out from last year's defense and its Andy's guys responsible for this year's mess (which so far is even worse than last year's mess). Does anyone trust him to get it right this off season?
BassNBrew
Footballguy
32 teams. 1 Super Bowl win every 32 years would be average.Give me a guys who has an above average regular season record and I'll take my chances that the things will work out in the post season over time...ala Cowher.
BassNBrew
Footballguy
Yup...but the fans last year were calling for his head when he wanted to start Kolb.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
In Miami they all but ran Don Shula out of a job in 1995...in many ways the team hasn't been the same since. Could anybody have taken the Eagles to 5 NFC Championships and a Super Bowl? Didn't the Eagles run Buddy Ryan out of town? How did Kotite work out?
I know it's frustrating for Eagles fans.
I know it's frustrating for Eagles fans.
phillybirds
Footballguy
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Amused to Death
Footballguy
What's your point? Andy's created this roster. Whatever the fans call for, we make no decisions. Andy drafted Kolb and traded McNabb. Andy brought in Vick. Andy gave him the big contract. If mistakes were made, Andy made them not the fans. And Andy's team is currently 1-4 and in last place. Andy's team has lost their last 3 playoff games. Andy's team is currently 1-7 in its last 8 games. Fans have nothing to do with it.Name another coach that wins 3 playoff games in 7 years and is untouchable. Hey, Terry Francona won 2 championships and got fired after 2 bad years.
phillybirds
Footballguy
I don't even get what he's talking about. The fans here weren't calling for Andy's head for wanting to start Kolb. They've been calling for his head for years because of the same old same old stuff year after year. the clock management
not getting the play call in quick enough and burning time outs
the lack of establishing a run game
not being able to make in game adjustments quick enough when things are not working well
the utter confusion at how to deal with short yardage situations
the red zone inefficiency
ignoring entire positions on the team like the linebacker position
the inability of defense to stop the run
players not being mentally prepared
penalties
etc, etc
Some people don't seem to understand that there is more going on than the spin the League puts on a team and its players and coaches.
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Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
Reid is 119 - 77 - 1 in the regular season, has a winning record in the playoffs (10 - 9), has won 7 division titles in 12 years, and has taken the Eagles to the Super Bowl. The fans of PLENTY of NFL franchises would take that in a heartbeat.
Sustaining that type of success in the NFL for a decade plus is really, really hard. It's unbelievable that people think that he should be fired for the slow start.
Sustaining that type of success in the NFL for a decade plus is really, really hard. It's unbelievable that people think that he should be fired for the slow start.
Amused to Death
Footballguy
Very impressive...now look at what he's done over the last 6+ seasons. Are they closer to the SB now then they were 5 years ago?Every coach's time runs out eventually.
Amused to Death
Footballguy
There "slow start" equates to a 1-7 record over their last 8 games. And getting worse.
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