who will end up the #1 FFB WR in seattle? from week 7 on? (1 Viewer)

[jadams209]

Darrell Jackson--

PROs: extremely fast, and already considered Seattle's real life #1 receiver.

CONs: injury history, tendency to drop balls.

Deion Branch--

PROs: seems to be picking up the offense quickly. Also New England's conservative offense might have masked potential. Cheaper to acquire in trade?

CONs: never over 1000 yards and 5 TDS. Smallish in stature.

PROs for both:

Seattle might have to remain more of a passing team if Alexander and rushing game cannot get consistent results going this year.

CONs for both:

Jeremy Stevens, Bobby Engram should return to the lineup. Alexander could start dominating again like last season.

So from WEEK 7 against Minnesota until WEEK 17, will Darrell Jackson or Deion Branch finish the season with most fantasy points?

thanks for all analysis and input.

J.

 

[radballs]

Good breakdown. I always tend to think that the main guy that has been there for a while is the safer bet. Yeah, Branch had a nice break out game but were defenses really ready to start game planning for him? When the double coverages break off of D Jax to pay more attention to Branch, Darrell will get his imo.

 

[brobe4]

Both guys will be pretty good plays down the stretch in ff. Djax no#1 wr in seattle.

 

[SSOG]

DJax is consistantly a TREMENDOUSLY underrated WR. Probably the most consistant guy in the NFL from year-to-year, and over the last two years he has probably been the most consistant WR from game-to-game as well. All he does is post high starter-caliber numbers week in and week out, but since he doesn't win many games single-handedly, he's often overlooked.

I have D-Jax as the 8th ranked WR on my board going forward. Deion Branch is a nice gamble as a WR2, or even a WR3 if you're lucky, but DJax is WR1 material.

 

[radballs]

DJax is consistantly a TREMENDOUSLY underrated WR. Probably the most consistant guy in the NFL from year-to-year, and over the last two years he has probably been the most consistant WR from game-to-game as well. All he does is post high starter-caliber numbers week in and week out, but since he doesn't win many games single-handedly, he's often overlooked.I have D-Jax as the 8th ranked WR on my board going forward. Deion Branch is a nice gamble as a WR2, or even a WR3 if you're lucky, but DJax is WR1 material.

Fantastic post. I agree.

 

[H.K.]

Branch....by a mile.

The guy has barely been in Seattle, having played only three games so far, however, he has become the target of choice for Holmgren and Hasselbeck. Especially in the red zone.

The past two games, Branch has more overall targets than Jackson, and more importantly, he has twice as many red zone targets.

Jackson's injury history and attitude have clearly worn thin on the Seattle brass, which is why they keep bringing in FA's to replce him, well, now that they've hit a home run with Branch, Jackson is toast.

 

[dmac37]

Branch is good and had a big week last week but one snow flake does not make a storm. Branch will get his but DJax is the #1WR in Seattle

 

[Texican]

A quick couple of questions....

Does Holmgren run the same offense he ran in Green Bay?

Who would DJax and Branch be compared to on the Green Bay team?

 

[gman8343]

Branch....by a mile.The guy has barely been in Seattle, having played only three games so far, however, he has become the target of choice for Holmgren and Hasselbeck. Especially in the red zone.The past two games, Branch has more overall targets than Jackson, and more importantly, he has twice as many red zone targets.Jackson's injury history and attitude have clearly worn thin on the Seattle brass, which is why they keep bringing in FA's to replce him, well, now that they've hit a home run with Branch, Jackson is toast.

This shtick wore think last year with the Tiki Barber hate material.

 

[H.K.]

Branch is good and had a big week last week but one snow flake does not make a storm. Branch will get his but DJax is the #1WR in Seattle

Branch has only played in three games so far, but his role has expanded every week.In the past two games, here is how they match up

Branch

17 Targets

4 Redzone targets

9 receptions

133 receiving yards

19 Rushing yards

152 Total yards

2 TD's

Jackson

16 Targets

2 Red zone targets

9 receptions

156 yards

0 Rushing yards

156 total yards

1 TD

From these numbers, we can conclude the following:

1) Branch has been there a short time, and his role has only increased, and it will continue

2) The coaching staff will do whatever it can to get the ball in Branch's hands, as evidenced by his rushing numbers since he has arrived. This is an element that Jackson lacks.

3) Branch's is clearly the #1 Red zone option now

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Flip a coin. The offense did not seem to feature either in the St. Louis game.

Good signs for Branch: Hasselbeck basically threw up a jumpball for Branch to get near the goal line on the first TD and hit him on a fade to the back corner of the end zone on the second TD. Not exactly the way we're used to seeing Deion used. It shows that great timing and trust between Hasselbeck and Branch. Hasselbeck gushed about Branch's quickness and dedication to the game. There's a good thing brewing here, especially for dynasty league owners of Branch.

Good sign for D-Jack: Hasselbeck threw to him deep in TRIPLE coverage for the TD. This combo is already fully mature and potent.

Bottom line: Neither is a true fantasy WR1, but both have the potential to post a top 10 statline in any given week. Neither is less than a WR2. Hasselbeck will make both every week starters. The team loves to feed SA at the goalline, and his return is the only thing that will keep this combo from matching the likes of Harrison/Wayne, Johnson/Houshmandzadeh, and Fitz/Boldin in fantasy terms.

 

[fsufan]

Branch....by a mile.The guy has barely been in Seattle, having played only three games so far, however, he has become the target of choice for Holmgren and Hasselbeck. Especially in the red zone.The past two games, Branch has more overall targets than Jackson, and more importantly, he has twice as many red zone targets.Jackson's injury history and attitude have clearly worn thin on the Seattle brass, which is why they keep bringing in FA's to replce him, well, now that they've hit a home run with Branch, Jackson is toast.

so you are a Branch owner

 

[⚡DEADHEAD⚡]

DJax is consistantly a TREMENDOUSLY underrated WR. Probably the most consistant guy in the NFL from year-to-year, and over the last two years he has probably been the most consistant WR from game-to-game as well. All he does is post high starter-caliber numbers week in and week out, but since he doesn't win many games single-handedly, he's often overlooked.I have D-Jax as the 8th ranked WR on my board going forward. Deion Branch is a nice gamble as a WR2, or even a WR3 if you're lucky, but DJax is WR1 material.

Fantastic post. I agree.

Underrated? Yes. Consistent? No. I'll take Holt over Jackson in that department. Hell, Jackson was out for like half of the year last year.

 

[This_Is_Not_VRR]

Branch was going against a rookie CB last week. That's the reason the Seahawks targeted him so much. As good as Branch is, I don't think his diminutive size makes him a particulary effective red zone option. Look for Stevens to become the primary receiving threat in the red zone for the rest of the season.

As for Jackson vs Branch....The best case scenario for Branch owners is that Branch equals Jackson's output. Because there's no way that Branch will put up significantly better numbers than Jackson from here on out. Jackson is just too good of a WR for that happen. Jackson runs picture perfect routes and is far too big of a weapon for Hasselbeck to ignore in the passing game.

 

[redsoxfan]

I'm shocked no one else has said this given the injury history of these two players...

It will be whichever one does not get hurt. You can almost count on one of them picking up an injury at some point before the season ends. Over the last few seasons I don't think either one has been healthy much for the full 16 games.

In the unlikely event that they both stay healthy, I would go with DJax. I think that as the other weapons on this team come back (Engram, Stevens, Alexander) we will see Branch getting less looks, but I think DJax will continue to get the looks he has been (he's basically getting the opportunities that he has always gotten when healthy).

 

[Jetdoc]

The best case scenario for Branch owners is that Branch equals Jackson's output.

I agree. Although Branch is picking up the offense quickly, Jackson is the incumbent and has a long relationship with Hass. I kind of view this as a Chad Johnson/TJ Houshmanzadeh relationship - Jackson is still the #1, but Branch could be an "almost equivalent" #2. I think most owners would still take Chad Johnson over TJ any day of the week, which should be your thinking in Seattle, barring injury.

 

[This_Is_Not_VRR]

In the unlikely event that they both stay healthy, I would go with DJax. I think that as the other weapons on this team come back (Engram, Stevens, Alexander) we will see Branch getting less looks, but I think DJax will continue to get the looks he has been (he's basically getting the opportunities that he has always gotten when healthy).

I think Branch will continue to get a ton of of looks, even as the Seahawks begin to add Stevens, Engram, and Alexander back into the mix. The thing about Branch is that he's one of the best WR's in the NFL when it comes to running after the catch. The Seahawks are going to do everything they can to give him a ton of opportunties in the short passing game to make big plays with his feet.

 

[H.K.]

Branch....by a mile.The guy has barely been in Seattle, having played only three games so far, however, he has become the target of choice for Holmgren and Hasselbeck. Especially in the red zone.The past two games, Branch has more overall targets than Jackson, and more importantly, he has twice as many red zone targets.Jackson's injury history and attitude have clearly worn thin on the Seattle brass, which is why they keep bringing in FA's to replce him, well, now that they've hit a home run with Branch, Jackson is toast.

so you are a Branch owner

Nope. Not in any of my leagues.One other thing in Branch's favor: He can catch. Hass is probably targeting Branch all the time b/c he is sick of DJax's dropsies.

 

[tombonneau]

Don't care, as I just traded for Djax and now own both.

I honestly think this is a great pair of WRs to start both. I recall Drinen or someone has a great article that I seem to reference every year which says you are better off starting two good WRs from a good passing team than two good WRs from two different (but good) passing teams. The same team combo will give you more consistant scoring from week-to-week.

I'm in a 1RB 2WR 1Flex league, and am leaning heavily towards going 3-wide and using Branch-Jackson as my WR2/3.

As far as stats going forward, until Branch replicates last week's success, I don't see how you cannot say that Jackson will have better stats based on past history with the team. Remember, even though Branch had a great game, its not like DJax put up an egg.

Bottomline, given SEAs sked and SA's injury, fantasy owners should be pleased owning either of this players for the home stretch.

 

[jagbag]

Branch....by a mile.

The guy has barely been in Seattle, having played only three games so far, however, he has become the target of choice for Holmgren and Hasselbeck. Especially in the red zone.

The past two games, Branch has more overall targets than Jackson, and more importantly, he has twice as many red zone targets.

Jackson's injury history and attitude have clearly worn thin on the Seattle brass, which is why they keep bringing in FA's to replce him, well, now that they've hit a home run with Branch, Jackson is toast.

so you are a Branch owner

Nope. Not in any of my leagues.One other thing in Branch's favor: He can catch. Hass is probably targeting Branch all the time b/c he is sick of DJax's dropsies.

H.K. Just in an earlier post, you said the targets were 17 for Branch, 16 for Jackson. Pretty even.Now you say all targets are going to Branch, which is it ?

Quit spewing forth the crap. Nobody wants to hear your constant BS except yourself.

 

[H.K.]

Nope. Not in any of my leagues.

One other thing in Branch's favor: He can catch. Hass is probably targeting Branch all the time b/c he is sick of DJax's dropsies.

H.K. Just in an earlier post, you said the targets were 17 for Branch, 16 for Jackson. Pretty even.

Now you say all targets are going to Branch, which is it ?

Quit spewing forth the crap. Nobody wants to hear your constant BS except yourself.

The past two games:

Branch's targets went from 7 to 10, including a rush

DJackson's have fallen from 9 to 7

The numbers are all trending favorably for Branch, and negatively for DJax

These are facts, not sure why they get you so riled up tho...

 

[Moniker]

Nope. Not in any of my leagues.

One other thing in Branch's favor: He can catch. Hass is probably targeting Branch all the time b/c he is sick of DJax's dropsies.

H.K. Just in an earlier post, you said the targets were 17 for Branch, 16 for Jackson. Pretty even.

Now you say all targets are going to Branch, which is it ?

Quit spewing forth the crap. Nobody wants to hear your constant BS except yourself.

The past two games:

Branch's targets went from 7 to 10, including a rush

DJackson's have fallen from 9 to 7

The numbers are all trending favorably for Branch, and negatively for DJax

These are facts, not sure why they get you so riled up tho...

You were already told why that happend last game, you just chose to ignore it.

 

[SSOG]

Branch is good and had a big week last week but one snow flake does not make a storm. Branch will get his but DJax is the #1WR in Seattle

Branch has only played in three games so far, but his role has expanded every week.In the past two games, here is how they match up

Branch

17 Targets

4 Redzone targets

9 receptions

133 receiving yards

19 Rushing yards

152 Total yards

2 TD's

Jackson

16 Targets

2 Red zone targets

9 receptions

156 yards

0 Rushing yards

156 total yards

1 TD

From these numbers, we can conclude the following:

1) Branch has been there a short time, and his role has only increased, and it will continue

2) The coaching staff will do whatever it can to get the ball in Branch's hands, as evidenced by his rushing numbers since he has arrived. This is an element that Jackson lacks.

3) Branch's is clearly the #1 Red zone option now

Your conclusions are way out of whack.1) We can conclude that Branch has been there a short time. We can conclude that his role has increased. We *CAN NOT* conclude that his role will continue to do so. I mean, what evidence do we have that he hasn't maxed out and hit his ceiling already? If a WR has a good game one week, a better game another week, and then an all-world game the third week, are you going to predict that he has the greatest game in history in the fourth week because he's improved for three straight weeks now? At some point, Branch's role will be maxed out, and we have seen no evidence that allows us to conclude that we haven't already reached that point.

2) I can buy the conclusion that Branch will probably get more rushing attempts than DJax from here on out. Of course, that makes nice icing, but it doesn't mean a thing of the cake itself isn't any good.

3) Strongly disagreed. Two more red zone targets over a two-week span, and suddenly he's CLEARLY the #1 red zone option? I could find you a two-week span last year where Dwayne Carswell had more targets than Rod Smith. Was Dwayne Carswell Denver's #1 red zone option last year? We're discussing sample sizes of the smallest possible order here. They don't lead to *ANY* valid conclusions.

Underrated? Yes. Consistent? No. I'll take Holt over Jackson in that department. Hell, Jackson was out for like half of the year last year.

Yes, he was out, but when he was in, he was consistant.To wit: DJax has played in 14 games since the start of the '05 season, including playoffs. Holt has played in 20. We'll use percentages to compare them over that span...

%Games with 5+ catches:

DJax- 85.7%

Holt- 75.0%

%Games with 10+ Fantasy Points:

DJax- 71.4%

Holt- 65%

There are other categories where Holt has a very slight edge, but the fact that DJax even has such a strong arguement shows just how consistant he's been on a game-to-game basis over the last year and a half, even despite his injuries.

The past two games:

Branch's targets went from 7 to 10, including a rush

DJackson's have fallen from 9 to 7

The numbers are all trending favorably for Branch, and negatively for DJax

These are facts, not sure why they get you so riled up tho...

Trending? Since when does two games classify as a trend?

 

[Wingnut]

1A abd 1B. I think they will go back and forth on having the better game FF wise.

 

[LHUCKS]

D-Jax.

 

[MarcO]

Branch....by a mile.The guy has barely been in Seattle, having played only three games so far, however, he has become the target of choice for Holmgren and Hasselbeck. Especially in the red zone.The past two games, Branch has more overall targets than Jackson, and more importantly, he has twice as many red zone targets.Jackson's injury history and attitude have clearly worn thin on the Seattle brass, which is why they keep bringing in FA's to replce him, well, now that they've hit a home run with Branch, Jackson is toast.

so you are a Branch owner

Nope. Not in any of my leagues.One other thing in Branch's favor: He can catch. Hass is probably targeting Branch all the time b/c he is sick of DJax's dropsies.

you have no clue - no one is "sick" of DJack in Seattle - he is one of the most well-liked players on the team, both by the players and the Seattle "brass". Holmgren loves the guy, despite his drops, and it's obvious when he talks about him. And remind me what free agent they brought in to "replace" him? you should quit talking out of your ### because it stinks.

 

[MarcO]

1A abd 1B. I think they will go back and forth on having the better game FF wise.

spot on.

 

[Tornacl]

I have both of them in a dynasty league, as my WR2 and WR3. I don't like the idea of starting two receivers on the same team every week, but I may have to do that from here out.