Who wins the starting WR role in JAX (1 Viewer)

[John Mamula]

I am completely stumped here. You have 2 guys coming into their 3rd year, one guy coming into his second. There are a lot of yards and receptions to be had. I just can't figure it out.

 

[jurb26]

My vote goes to Jones and I really hvae no good reason for it. This is a guess for just about everyone.

 

[gman8343]

link to other Jax WR thread

Matt Jones, though not till '07 IMO.

 

[John Mamula]

I am tending towards leaning towards a situation of New England in the past where there was not one big time #1 guy. I may just give each of the top 3 WRs there 60 receptions a piece and draft the one with the best value in terms of ADP.

 

[Mr. Peterson]

I voted Jones but I dont think that anyone of these guys are #1 material yet and Jacksonville is in trouble if it stays like this going into the season.

 

[FUBAR]

I voted Jones but I dont think that anyone of these guys are #1 material yet and Jacksonville is in trouble if it stays like this going into the season.

Good defense + good running game + decent but not great WRs, seems like Patriots lite to me. Leftwich isnt' Brady, but the Jaguars aren't "in trouble"

 

[Dave Baker]

They won't have a #1 WR.

 

[FUBAR]

They won't have a #1 WR.

They have 3 #2's. they'll be fine. Different WRs will step up in different games. Fantasy nightmare, but Jags will be very good this year.

 

[joffer]

one vote for Ernest

 

[P Boy]

Doesn't JAX usually start 2 WRs?

A better question might be which of the 3 is most likely to be left out.

 

[John Mamula]

Doesn't JAX usually start 2 WRs?

A better question might be which of the 3 is most likely to be left out.

I obviously meant who will be the #1 guy.

 

[P Boy]

Doesn't JAX usually start 2 WRs?

A better question might be which of the 3 is most likely to be left out.

I obviously meant who will be the #1 guy.

I know, but it's just so much fun irritating you.

 

[tri-man 47]

A friend forwarded me this from the Florida Times-Union:

"HC Jack Del Rio said WR Matt Jones has been one of the standouts of the offseason program so far and is "clearly ahead of where he was this time last year." That's good news for the Jaguars, because Jones' role figures to increase this year after the sudden retirement of all-time franchise receiving leader WR Jimmy Smith this month. Just how much the Jaguars will rely on Jones has been obvious from the ongoing workouts at Alltel Stadium. Jones is lining up in Smith's old spot as the No. 1 wideout, ahead of 2004 first-round pick WR Reggie Williams."

I voted for Jones.

 

[John Mamula]

Doesn't JAX usually start 2 WRs?

A better question might be which of the 3 is most likely to be left out.

I obviously meant who will be the #1 guy.

I know, but it's just so much fun irritating you.

 

[John Mamula]

A friend forwarded me this from the Florida Times-Union:

"HC Jack Del Rio said WR Matt Jones has been one of the standouts of the offseason program so far and is "clearly ahead of where he was this time last year." That's good news for the Jaguars, because Jones' role figures to increase this year after the sudden retirement of all-time franchise receiving leader WR Jimmy Smith this month. Just how much the Jaguars will rely on Jones has been obvious from the ongoing workouts at Alltel Stadium. Jones is lining up in Smith's old spot as the No. 1 wideout, ahead of 2004 first-round pick WR Reggie Williams."

I voted for Jones.

Yeah, this was in the blogger today.

 

[EBF]

My vote goes to Jones. I'm not sure why Wilford has been annointed the guy by so many people. His career numbers really don't inspire much confidence and he doesn't have the pedigree of Jones or Williams.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Marcedes Lewis

 

[EBF]

Marcedes Lewis

Good value in every format. I can't believe how low he's projected by the FBGs. I pretty much gaurantee that he'll shatter those numbers. He's every bit as polished as guys like Troupe and Miller were during their rookie years.

 

[joffer]

My vote goes to Jones. I'm not sure why Wilford has been annointed the guy by so many people. His career numbers really don't inspire much confidence and he doesn't have the pedigree of Jones or Williams.

how are Jones' numbers any better than Wilford's? Wilford showed great improvement in his 2nd year.

 

[EBF]

My vote goes to Jones. I'm not sure why Wilford has been annointed the guy by so many people. His career numbers really don't inspire much confidence and he doesn't have the pedigree of Jones or Williams.

how are Jones' numbers any better than Wilford's? Wilford showed great improvement in his 2nd year.

You can't just look at last year's numbers and assume that things will be the same next year. Jones had a better rookie year than Wilford and was much a higher draft pick. Another thing to Remember is that Wilford is already 27 years old. He may have already hit his ceiling, whereas 23 year-olds Jones and Williams would seem to have more room to improve.

Also, last year was Jones' first year as a WR. Basically, it comes down to this:

- Jones had only 250 receiving yards and 2 TDs less than Wilford despite the fact that he's over four years younger, had never played the position before, and had a year less experience.

That, coupled with Jones' vastly superior pedigree, leads me to believe that Jones is easily the guy to have here.

 

[joffer]

My vote goes to Jones. I'm not sure why Wilford has been annointed the guy by so many people. His career numbers really don't inspire much confidence and he doesn't have the pedigree of Jones or Williams.

how are Jones' numbers any better than Wilford's? Wilford showed great improvement in his 2nd year.

You can't just look at last year's numbers and assume that things will be the same next year.

thanks for the tip

Jones had a better rookie year than Wilford and was much a higher draft pick. Another thing to Remember is that Wilford is already 27 years old. He may have already hit his ceiling, whereas 23 year-olds Jones and Williams would seem to have more room to improve.

Also, last year was Jones' first year as a WR. Basically, it comes down to this:

- Jones had only 250 receiving yards and 2 TDs less than Wilford despite the fact that he's over four years younger, had never played the position before, and had a year less experience.

That, coupled with Jones' vastly superior pedigree, leads me to believe that Jones is easily the guy to have here.

Jones doesn't HAVE a pedigree as a WR, he has a pedigree as a QB.Wilford's improvement from his rookie year to his 2nd year is more impressive to me than a converted QB's first year.

 

[EBF]

Jones doesn't HAVE a pedigree as a WR, he has a pedigree as a QB.

He was drafted as a WR in the first round. I'd say that's a pretty good pedigree.

Wilford's improvement from his rookie year to his 2nd year is more impressive to me than a converted QB's first year.

We're all entitled to our own opinion, but I disagree with yours. I think it's much more impressive for a 22 year-old rookie who has never concentrated on WR to enter the NFL and post 36 catches for 432 yards and 5 TDs than it is for a 26 year-old player with years of college experience and a year of NFL experience to post 41 catches for 681 yards and 7 TDs. Jones was the higher pick, had the better rookie year, and is the better athlete. When you consider that he's still learning the position, I think it's clear that he's the more exciting and promising option. That's not to mention the news blurbs saying he's been practicing in Jimmy Smith's old spot.

 

[John Mamula]

My vote goes to Jones. I'm not sure why Wilford has been annointed the guy by so many people. His career numbers really don't inspire much confidence and he doesn't have the pedigree of Jones or Williams.

how are Jones' numbers any better than Wilford's? Wilford showed great improvement in his 2nd year.

 

[jerseys finest]

jones is obviously the better athlete of the 3, but regardless of his natural physical talent, he does not have enough experience or knowledge after only one season of being a WR to take on the starting role THIS YEAR.

i do think either in '07/'08, that he will fill that projected role of the top receiver in jax, but the question was who will be the starter THIS year and as of now, wilford is in the best position to become that player..

being a higher draft pick or running with the first team in mini-camp has little to no persuasion at this point.. all 3 receivers will be put in the #1 spot during these mini-camps to see who looks/fits the best.. doesn't matter that jones was the first tested

 

[EBF]

Food for thought:

(KFFL) Bart Hubbuch, of the Florida Times-Union, reports Jacksonville Jaguars WR Matt Jones was assigned by Jacksonville Jaguars head coach Jack Del Rio to study game film of Oakland Raiders WR Randy Moss during the offseason. "He's got some of that freakish athleticism that Moss has," Del Rio said. "He's got the ability to catch the ball and really do things down the field that some people will never be able to do."

I know that this is the typical coachspeak type of stuff that we hear each season (remember Butch Davis saying William Green reminded him of Edgerrin James?), but it does sound like Del Rio has high hopes for Jones.Personally, I tend to look at things from a dynasty perspective. My attitude is that the cream of the crop rises to the top and that the future is now. I think Jones is the most talented of this bunch and I expect the statistics to reflect that sooner, rather than later. He definitely stands out as one of the great potential values in this year's drafts.

 

[P Boy]

The problem with Wilford being so easily dismissed is that Leftwich seems to trust him. He's solid & dependable. The JAX writers almost act bored talking about him because all he does is catch the ball.

That said, if Wilford turns into the 06's+ version of Keenan McCardell to Jones' Jimmy Smith, I could easily live with that kind of production year after year.

 

[John Mamula]

The problem with Wilford being so easily dismissed is that Leftwich seems to trust him. He's solid & dependable. The JAX writers almost act bored talking about him because all he does is catch the ball.

That said, if Wilford turns into the 06's+ version of Keenan McCardell to Jones' Jimmy Smith, I could easily live with that kind of production year after year.

 

[jurb26]

PO'd Lefty owner here.

 

[John Mamula]

PO'd Lefty owner here.

i dunno...it seems they have a very young potentially very talented WR corps. in a year or two he may be sitting pretty. at only 26 he has plenty of time.

 

[jurb26]

PO'd Lefty owner here.

i dunno...it seems they have a very young potentially very talented WR corps. in a year or two he may be sitting pretty. at only 26 he has plenty of time.

Meh, but Smith could have really help that group along. I'm very excited about the Lewis addition however!

 

[nittanylion]

This may not help much, but it's exactly where I'm at with this situation right now, and if you're looking for answers, you might as well look under every rock:

We agree that it's a tough situation to figure - and that's just when I look at Jones, Wilford and Williams. Of course, while I'm looking at them, I have to consider injuries, so I start looking at Hankton, ChOwens, Hymes and TrEdwards. Then the RB's and TE's catch my eye: FTaylor, Pearman the newly acquired Drew and Lewis, even a possibly healthy Wrighster, and my head really starts spinning, so...

...why think about it at all? So I try to use what I DO know...

First, I think by season's end, all three of 'em are going to have remarkably similar statistics, from a Fantasy Points point of view. One may have more yards, one more TD's and one more catches, but I don't see a horse here that is a clear cut favorite, even with all of them running full throttle. Del Rio is going to spend the better part of the season trying to figure out how to replace JSmith, and when you have 3 guys who are about equal that spells one thing: Rotation. I think all 3 of them have a minimum ff potential as #3 types, spot starters in 12-team Leagues, with varying degrees of upside, but the #1 NFL target is going to vary on a weekly basis.

Second, even though I'm struggling to pick out the prime beneficiary(ies), I LOVE the looks of the Jacksonville passing game as an aggregate. The entire unit has upside written all over it...when considered as a whole.

Finally, you can get the whole damn thing for a pretty decent value by using my patented 'contrarian cop out' approach. ...

...look elsewhere for WR, and and eliminate the guesswork by just drafting Leftwich in the middle rounds as part of a 3-headed QBBC with tremendous upside!

...at least that's what I'm planning on doing.

 

[wannabee]

This may not help much, but it's exactly where I'm at with this situation right now, and if you're looking for answers, you might as well look under every rock:

Finally, you can get the whole damn thing for a pretty decent value by using my patented 'contrarian cop out' approach. ...

...look elsewhere for WR, and and eliminate the guesswork by just drafting Leftwich in the middle rounds as part of a 3-headed QBBC with tremendous upside!

...at least that's what I'm planning on doing.

To give you an example on this strategy being done, I was in a recent initial dynasty draft among some guys we all know here at FBG. I did make one trade after the draft, but I now have Leftwich, McNair, and Trent Green in QBBC. I took Leftwich as my first QB in 11th. The other were later. I like the QBBC for production and value, especially if McNair goes to baltimore. The one guy that was also a value was Favre. Also, this draft was going on when Jimmy Smith retired. But, I was very happy about getting Wilford in 13th as my wr4.

I see this situation as risky, and one you need extreme value to come out ahead.

 

[nag']

A key factor to me is that DelRio WANTS Jones to be the goto guy. He knows Jones has the far superior talent to the other two. Wilford can be steady but will never be "special". Williams has shown to be average at best, and has been in and out of the dog house the last 2 years. Jones, on the other hand will be given every chance to showcase that talent this year. DelRio will have plays designed SPECIFICALLY for Jones, both passing and rushing.

I can see Wilford end up with the most receptions but I would be suprised if Jones does not lead the WRs in TDs and total yards.

 

[kellumsboys]

#4 Williams - too slow

#3 Jones - the #1 CB will take him out of the game often

#2 Wilford - has the trust of Leftwich

#1 Marcedes Lewis - should have the most catches, but not necessarily the most yards

 

[FUBAR]

#3 Jones - the #1 CB will take him out of the game often

You think? I doubt a Corner, under 6 foot (most are) will take the 6'6" highly athletic Jones out of the game often.

#2 Wilford - has the trust of Leftwich

Please substantiate with facts / stats. Leftwich to Jones was more productive last year. Wilford has the trust of Garrard, it's plain to see that Leftwich likes Jones.

 

[redCashion]

Here's an interesting way to look at receivers when there is a relatively small sample size of targets to look at, and that is the QB Rating when they were targeted. So when Leftwich targeted these three receivers (and Smith for comparison purposes), here were the results:

Name Comp Att Yard TD Int QBRatingErnest Wilford, WR JAX	29	47	461	5	2	112.10Jimmy Smith, WR  42	83	674	4	0	94.15Matt Jones, WR JAX	32	60	381	4	2	81.32Reggie Williams, WR JAX	25	49	312	1	2	60.93

It's interesting that Jones was actually targetted more than Wilford was. But of course, Wilford did more with his targets and being more of a receiver in the mold of Smith might be the one most likely to pick up the lion share of his targets. I like Wilford..

 

[redCashion]

Following up on the previous post about Garrard/Leftwich's preferences, here are the numbers for Garrard:

Kyle Brady, TE JAX	9	12	76	0	0	90.97Matt Jones, WR JAX	8	15	119	0	0	79.58Jimmy Smith, WR  32	60	399	2	1	78.40Ernest Wilford, WR JAX	14	33	233	1	0	76.96Reggie Williams, WR JAX	11	18	164	0	1	67.82

 

[FUBAR]

Here's an interesting way to look at receivers when there is a relatively small sample size of targets to look at, and that is the QB Rating when they were targeted. So when Leftwich targeted these three receivers (and Smith for comparison purposes), here were the results:

Name Comp Att Yard TD Int QBRatingErnest Wilford, WR JAX 29 47 461 5 2 112.10Jimmy Smith, WR 42 83 674 4 0 94.15Matt Jones, WR JAX 32 60 381 4 2 81.32Reggie Williams, WR JAX 25 49 312 1 2 60.93It's interesting that Jones was actually targetted more than Wilford was. But of course, Wilford did more with his targets and being more of a receiver in the mold of Smith might be the one most likely to pick up the lion share of his targets. I like Wilford..

(Wilford owner here) I hope you're right, but I can't shake the fact that Jones had no experience before 2005, yet the coach obviously wanted him heavily involved, and he looked phenomenal in the playoff game. Sadly, I've tried to acquire Jones, but his owner isn't selling for anything less than Andre Johnson.As I've stated before, I doubt any of the 3 dominate consistently this year, but as a group, they look good. Others said, and I agree - Leftwich is an insane value in dynasty leagues right now.

 

[Wadsworth]

I know there are a lot of Reggie Williams dynasty owners that might have him on the buddle about now. The following is just one example of many reports continually coming out of Jacksonville about Reggie and with work ethic.

Tom from Jacksonville: As a part-time assistant high school coach, I attended the Jags coach clinic day last week. This was my third year attending and, as always, it was great. I was surprised that the most impressive player that day was Reggie Williams. He was first onto the field, was the standout in team passing and made the play of the practice in the end zone, taking the ball away from Rashean Mathis. The most impressive thing was after practice. As the rest of the team sat down to barbecue, Reggie went off to extra receiving drills with the ball machine. Later, several players came and went, but Reggie stayed two, three times longer than anyone else. Is this the norm for him this year and what is the coaching staff saying about Reggie?

Vic: That's been the norm for Reggie Williams the last two years. He's having another strong spring. He's catching balls and working hard. Jack Del Rio praised him a couple of weeks ago. Based on what I've seen the last couple of weeks, Williams has been the Jaguars' most impressive wide receiver.

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From day one, Reggie has been a guy that works as hard as anyone. He is still young and is in a very good situation in Jacksonville. I'm a believer in the idea that guys that work harder end up producing more often. I would not sell Reggie short just yet and would consider making a move for him in dynasty if you can get him cheap with all the current Wilford/Jones love going on.

 

[Wadsworth]

Marcedes Lewis

Keep an eye on how often the Jags are using the 2 TE set in preseason. They've been running it a lot in practices. Lewis wowed just about everyone with his hands and body control in limited practice time in Jacksonville. I've also heard from several reliable sources that he ran 4.61 and 4.64 after the combine where he had a lingering flu and ran 4.78. Using the 2 TE set would seem to be an effort to get him on the field more often until his blocking gets better so he can be an every down TE. Also, Mike Tice has a solid history with getting TE production. I know there are a lot of good TE prospects this season, but Lewis seems to be a way undervalued right now.

 

[This_Is_Not_VRR]

Now I'm thoroughly confused. In this thread alone, I read that "HC Jack Del Rio said WR Matt Jones has been one of the standouts of the offseason program so far and is "clearly ahead of where he was this time last year." And that he's "lining up in Smith's old spot as the No. 1 wideout, ahead of 2004 first-round pick WR Reggie Williams."

And now Wadsworth included a quote that that said:

He's catching balls and working hard. Jack Del Rio praised him a couple of weeks ago. Based on what I've seen the last couple of weeks, Williams has been the Jaguars' most impressive wide receiver.

So which is it?

 

[wannabee]

Now I'm thoroughly confused. In this thread alone, I read that "HC Jack Del Rio said WR Matt Jones has been one of the standouts of the offseason program so far and is "clearly ahead of where he was this time last year." And that he's "lining up in Smith's old spot as the No. 1 wideout, ahead of 2004 first-round pick WR Reggie Williams."

And now Wadsworth included a quote that that said:

He's catching balls and working hard. Jack Del Rio praised him a couple of weeks ago. Based on what I've seen the last couple of weeks, Williams has been the Jaguars' most impressive wide receiver.

So which is it?

It is simply the "fluff pieces" that you see this time of year.

 

[jurb26]

I know there are a lot of good TE prospects this season, but Lewis seems to be a way undervalued right now.

KEEP IT DOWN OUT HERE!

 

[This_Is_Not_VRR]

I fell for the Reggie Williams "fluff pieces" hook, line, and sinker last year. But I still hold his dynasty rights and I'm relunctant to give up on him.

 

[Wadsworth]

Now I'm thoroughly confused. In this thread alone, I read that "HC Jack Del Rio said WR Matt Jones has been one of the standouts of the offseason program so far and is "clearly ahead of where he was this time last year." And that he's "lining up in Smith's old spot as the No. 1 wideout, ahead of 2004 first-round pick WR Reggie Williams."

And now Wadsworth included a quote that that said:

He's catching balls and working hard. Jack Del Rio praised him a couple of weeks ago. Based on what I've seen the last couple of weeks, Williams has been the Jaguars' most impressive wide receiver.

So which is it?

It's neither, or it's both. Doesn't matter. There won't be a pecking order until they get in pads and play. And beyond that there are guys like Cortez Hankton and Chad Owens would could get into the mix for playing time. Jacksonville WRs are a quagmire right now and you won't have any solid answers until the 2nd or 3rd preseason game likely. Even then I strongly feel that many WRs will be getting field time for the Jags and Leftwich will continue to spread the ball around. It could easily end up being 3 or 4 guys with around 50 to 60 catches for the Jags this season. If I had to pick one to break out of that group it would be Jones. He and Leftwich were really getting it going before Byron got hurt. And Jones is just plain faster, bigger and has better hands than any of the other WRs. If he can continue to learn how to do the little things, he could become special. And it could happen soon.

 

[Warpig]

PO'd Lefty owner here. 

i dunno...it seems they have a very young potentially very talented WR corps. in a year or two he may be sitting pretty. at only 26 he has plenty of time.

And don't forget J-ville's WR corps is the TALLEST in the NFL (including Lewis). All Lefty has to do is toss it up like C-Pep did with Moss and one of the 4; Jones, Wilford, Williams, or Lewis SHOULD come down with it. I'd salivate at the thought of any of them being in around the redzone!

 

[FatRader]

Jones is an impressive physical talent. With his height and athletic ability, he could be a QB's-best-friend type of reciever.

For as hard a worker as Williams is, he just hasn't produced in 2 years. Will he suddenly blossom in his third year? Perhaps, but I'm very leery of the fact that he just doesn't get in the endzone.

 

[Wadsworth]

Jones is an impressive physical talent. With his height and athletic ability, he could be a QB's-best-friend type of reciever.

For as hard a worker as Williams is, he just hasn't produced in 2 years. Will he suddenly blossom in his third year? Perhaps, but I'm very leery of the fact that he just doesn't get in the endzone.

That's the real issue with Reggie's future. When healthy last season his catches and yard numbers weren't bad. But he has not been finding the endzone. With redzone targets like Wilford, Jones and now Lewis; it might be tough for him to imporve much in that area. I'd hate to have to defend that basketball team of WRs in the redzone, Reggie might end up the odd man out. I said before that a poor man's Keyshawn might be a fair comparison for Reggie's NFL potential, I still think that's true. He's an excellent blocker and will make the tough catch, but TDs may continue to be an issue for him.

 

[-OZ-]

JAX - WR Jones #1 - Wilford Backing Up Williams

Source: Vic Ketchman, Jaguars.com

Jacksonville Jaguars wide receiver Ernest Wilford is currently backing up Reggie Williams in the team's "Z" receiver position, with wide receiver Matt Jones starting in the "X" receiver position, making Jones the current #1 wide receiver on the team.

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Jones has staked his claim to the X position and isn't letting go. This is a huge change from last year when Jimmy Smith was there. We always look for situations that have changed and players that are in more favorable situations. Jones is one of those guys this year.

 

[jerseys finest]

JAX - WR Jones #1 - Wilford Backing Up Williams

Source: Vic Ketchman, Jaguars.com

Jacksonville Jaguars wide receiver Ernest Wilford is currently backing up Reggie Williams in the team's "Z" receiver position, with wide receiver Matt Jones starting in the "X" receiver position, making Jones the current #1 wide receiver on the team.

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Jones has staked his claim to the X position and isn't letting go. This is a huge change from last year when Jimmy Smith was there. We always look for situations that have changed and players that are in more favorable situations. Jones is one of those guys this year.

reggie williams wins the 'z' position every offseason then loses it once the season rolls around.. i see no reason to think any differently this year